[opensuse] Bye Bye Vista - Hello issue with SUSE...
Okay, just for everyone's knowledge, Vista has this annoying habit of asking if I want to save a password. On my sites, I have several with similar domains and differnt passwords. Vista mucks them up. This - plus an annoying habit of locking up on a regular basis - decided me that I'd just simply go with SUSE 10.2 and create a VMWare XP machine. So, last night I painlessly installed 10.2 on my laptop (which went flawlessley) and am now up on KDE. Even my multimedia keys are recognized!! http://www.perfectreign.com/stuff/2007/20070523_102_desktop.jpg Okay, one problem. It seems when I'm using firefox - which is most of the time - I get a lock up. The clock icon shows and I can pretty much do nothing but power off. EXT3 - which I noticed replaced reiser - seems to handle things just fine, but what may be going on? How can I diagnose this? Second question - since this is a dual core (Centrino Duo 2.0 GHz) system, shouldn't I be using a SMP kernel? I notice that the kernel used is 2.6.18.8.0.3-default i686 TIA! -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Wednesday 23 May 2007 10:25, Kai Ponte wrote:
It seems when I'm using firefox - which is most of the time - I get a lock up. The clock icon shows and I can pretty much do nothing but power off. Kai, does an alt-F1 take to you a console (black screen)? When it "locks" can you ping it from another box... or is it "casters-up" dead?
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I think you should be using the smp kernel. What kind of a machine do you have? Anything in the system logs? Regards -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Wed, May 23, 2007 9:42 am, George Stoianov wrote:
I think you should be using the smp kernel. What kind of a machine do you have? Anything in the system logs?
I was wondering about that. System logs... ...can't seem to get to them. I went to YaST and it died clicking on them. Grrr... -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Wed, 2007-05-23 at 12:42 -0400, George Stoianov wrote:
I think you should be using the smp kernel. What kind of a machine do you have? Anything in the system logs?
IIRC for 10.2 the kernel default is the smp kernel. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Wednesday 23 May 2007 20:44, Mike McMullin wrote:
On Wed, 2007-05-23 at 12:42 -0400, George Stoianov wrote:
I think you should be using the smp kernel. What kind of a machine do you have? Anything in the system logs?
IIRC for 10.2 the kernel default is the smp kernel.
What happens if you use this kernel on a machine that has only one processor, or is the install smart enough to figure all this out? --doug -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Wed, 2007-05-23 at 20:57 -0400, Doug McGarrett wrote:
On Wednesday 23 May 2007 20:44, Mike McMullin wrote:
On Wed, 2007-05-23 at 12:42 -0400, George Stoianov wrote:
I think you should be using the smp kernel. What kind of a machine do you have? Anything in the system logs?
IIRC for 10.2 the kernel default is the smp kernel.
What happens if you use this kernel on a machine that has only one processor, or is the install smart enough to figure all this out?
No ill effect from what I can tell. I have the same kernels running on my single core desktop, and dual-core laptop, both AMD CPU's. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Wednesday 23 May 2007 17:57, Doug McGarrett wrote:
On Wednesday 23 May 2007 20:44, Mike McMullin wrote:
On Wed, 2007-05-23 at 12:42 -0400, George Stoianov wrote:
I think you should be using the smp kernel. What kind of a machine do you have? Anything in the system logs?
IIRC for 10.2 the kernel default is the smp kernel.
What happens if you use this kernel on a machine that has only one processor, or is the install smart enough to figure all this out?
It works fine. One processor is just a special / degenerate case of SMP, right? The installation process used to sense the processor type and select either SMP or non-SMP (where SMP was selected for Intel's HyperThreading CPUs, too) as appropriate. But the potential problem with that, in addition to Novell having to validate two different kernels, including those released for all security and bug-fix updates issued subsequently, if you started with a non-HT, non-multi-core CPU and then upgraded your hardware to a multi-core (or HT) CPU, you'd continue with the uniprocessor kernel, which works, but fails to exploit the more powerful hardware. Given the increasing likelihood of multi-core or multi-CPU systems, it seems to make sense to make the SMP kernel the single standard one.
--doug
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On 5/23/07, Doug McGarrett
On Wednesday 23 May 2007 20:44, Mike McMullin wrote:
On Wed, 2007-05-23 at 12:42 -0400, George Stoianov wrote:
I think you should be using the smp kernel. What kind of a machine do you have? Anything in the system logs?
IIRC for 10.2 the kernel default is the smp kernel.
What happens if you use this kernel on a machine that has only one processor, or is the install smart enough to figure all this out?
--doug
The kernel developers got real smart in the last year or so. The main difference between UP and SMP is the locking mechanisms. So in a SMP it makes sense to have a spin-lock. (spin-lock == an infinite loop waiting for a variable to change). In a UP a spin-lock might cause a lockup (Definitely will if interrupts are disabled). The kernel now has self-modifying code. During boot up, the low level locking routines start out in SMP configuration, but if a UP is found the machine code in those routines is replaced with their UP equivalents (often no-ops). I assume they have only done this for the most common CPU types (ie. instruction sets). See http://lwn.net/Articles/164121/ for more details (and accuracy).. Greg -- Greg Freemyer The Norcross Group Forensics for the 21st Century -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Wed, May 23, 2007 8:51 am, M Harris wrote:
On Wednesday 23 May 2007 10:25, Kai Ponte wrote:
It seems when I'm using firefox - which is most of the time - I get a lock up. The clock icon shows and I can pretty much do nothing but power off. Kai, does an alt-F1 take to you a console (black screen)? When it "locks" can you ping it from another box... or is it "casters-up" dead?
alt-f1 does nothing. Neither does ctrl-alt-esc or ctrl-backspace. The mouse appears to move, but that's it. I can ping it. I just had it happen while resizing a konqueror window. Wierd. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 5/23/07, Kai Ponte
On Wed, May 23, 2007 8:51 am, M Harris wrote:
On Wednesday 23 May 2007 10:25, Kai Ponte wrote:
It seems when I'm using firefox - which is most of the time - I get a lock up. The clock icon shows and I can pretty much do nothing but power off. Kai, does an alt-F1 take to you a console (black screen)? When it "locks" can you ping it from another box... or is it "casters-up" dead?
alt-f1 does nothing. Neither does ctrl-alt-esc or ctrl-backspace. The mouse appears to move, but that's it.
From KDE, I think it is ctrl-alt-f1, etc.
Once your at a console, alt-f1, etc. work. Greg -- Greg Freemyer The Norcross Group Forensics for the 21st Century -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Kai Ponte wrote:
I can ping it
if so you may be able to go in it with ssh. may be only the keyboard is stuck and not the system. try to go with ssh and type "init 3" to go to console only (with network) jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://gourmandises.orangeblog.fr/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Wednesday 23 May 2007 11:49, Kai Ponte wrote:
I can ping it. I just had it happen while resizing a konqueror window. Open ssh to it... and when it locks see if you can ssh login to it...
Trying to find out if the kernel is dead... or just the interface... if you can ping it then at least the card is responding... but probably also the kernel... see if you can ssh into it... -- Kind regards, M Harris <>< -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Wednesday 23 May 2007 11:49, Kai Ponte wrote:
can you ping it from another box... or is it "casters-up" dead?
alt-f1 does nothing. Neither does ctrl-alt-esc or ctrl-backspace. The mouse appears to move, but that's it. Does a ctl-alt-F1 bring up the console?
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Okay, just for everyone's knowledge, Vista has this annoying habit of asking if I want to save a password. On my sites, I have several with similar domains and differnt passwords. Vista mucks them up.
This - plus an annoying habit of locking up on a regular basis - decided me that I'd just simply go with SUSE 10.2 and create a VMWare XP machine. So, last night I painlessly installed 10.2 on my laptop (which went flawlessley) and am now up on KDE. Even my multimedia keys are recognized!!
http://www.perfectreign.com/stuff/2007/20070523_102_desktop.jpg
Okay, one problem. It seems when I'm using firefox - which is most of the time - I get a lock up. The clock icon shows and I can pretty much do nothing but power off. EXT3 - which I noticed replaced reiser - seems to handle things just fine, but what may be going on?
How can I diagnose this?
Second question - since this is a dual core (Centrino Duo 2.0 GHz) system, shouldn't I be using a SMP kernel? I notice that the kernel used is 2.6.18.8.0.3-default i686
TIA!
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The SMP kernel became the default kernel in 10.2 and later. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Wed, May 23, 2007 9:47 am, clarkt@cnsp.com wrote: <snip>
Second question - since this is a dual core (Centrino Duo 2.0 GHz) system, shouldn't I be using a SMP kernel? I notice that the kernel used is 2.6.18.8.0.3-default i686
The SMP kernel became the default kernel in 10.2 and later.
Thank you... ...and I apologize for the off-topic request. I'll get back to more important requests regarding hacker beer, wet t-shirts, gerbils and politics as soon as I figure out my issue. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Wed, 2007-05-23 at 08:25 -0700, Kai Ponte wrote:
Okay, just for everyone's knowledge, Vista has this annoying habit of asking if I want to save a password. On my sites, I have several with similar domains and differnt passwords. Vista mucks them up.
This - plus an annoying habit of locking up on a regular basis - decided me that I'd just simply go with SUSE 10.2 and create a VMWare XP machine. So, last night I painlessly installed 10.2 on my laptop (which went flawlessley) and am now up on KDE. Even my multimedia keys are recognized!!
http://www.perfectreign.com/stuff/2007/20070523_102_desktop.jpg
Okay, one problem. It seems when I'm using firefox - which is most of the time - I get a lock up. The clock icon shows and I can pretty much do nothing but power off. EXT3 - which I noticed replaced reiser -
Install FFX 2.0.0.3 - I had same problem that was solved doing this. I suspect the flash plugin - update that aswell. The machine doesnt really lockup - but flash has this annoying feature of capturing your keyboard and mouse, and not giving it back. In future try a CTRL-ALT-F1 and see if you can login with root and kill the offending process. If not, try SSH into it - if that doesnt work reboot and diagnose using the /var/log/messages log. E-Mail disclaimer: http://www.sunspace.co.za/emaildisclaimer.htm -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Hans van der Merwe wrote:
On Wed, 2007-05-23 at 08:25 -0700, Kai Ponte wrote:
Okay, just for everyone's knowledge, Vista has this annoying habit of asking if I want to save a password. On my sites, I have several with similar domains and differnt passwords. Vista mucks them up.
This - plus an annoying habit of locking up on a regular basis - decided me that I'd just simply go with SUSE 10.2 and create a VMWare XP machine. So, last night I painlessly installed 10.2 on my laptop (which went flawlessley) and am now up on KDE. Even my multimedia keys are recognized!!
http://www.perfectreign.com/stuff/2007/20070523_102_desktop.jpg
Okay, one problem. It seems when I'm using firefox - which is most of the time - I get a lock up. The clock icon shows and I can pretty much do nothing but power off. EXT3 - which I noticed replaced reiser -
Install FFX 2.0.0.3 - I had same problem that was solved doing this. I suspect the flash plugin - update that aswell.
The machine doesnt really lockup - but flash has this annoying feature of capturing your keyboard and mouse, and not giving it back.
In future try a CTRL-ALT-F1 and see if you can login with root and kill the offending process. If not, try SSH into it - if that doesnt work reboot and diagnose using the /var/log/messages log.
And if this does not help, you might step back and think about it: -You installed Vista and it was locking up. Fwiw I played around with Vista on a friends AMD X2 Notebook and despite what people say, it runs and behaves absolutely ok, just like a security optimised XP. -You installed SuSE and something is locking up. Are you sure, your hardware is ok? regards Eberhard -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
FWIW Since the last round of "updates" my Firefox 2.0.0.3-11.2 has developed the bad habit of locking up from time to time.Usually if I just click on the "x" in the upper right and go do something else for a minute I get the "not responding" box and can kill it. So far I haven't narrowed down what seems to cause it. -- (o:]>*HUGGLES*<[:o) Billie Walsh The three best words in the English Language: "I LOVE YOU" Pass them on! -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Thu May 24 2007, Billie Erin Walsh scratched these words onto a coconut shell, hoping for an answer:
FWIW
Since the last round of "updates" my Firefox 2.0.0.3-11.2 has developed the bad habit of locking up from time to time.Usually if I just click on the "x" in the upper right and go do something else for a minute I get the "not responding" box and can kill it. So far I haven't narrowed down what seems to cause it.
cntrl + alt + esc should give you a death's head icon over the program click on it ( right click ) and it should kill your app. Be sure the curser is over the app you want to kill ... just to avoid cursing and suchlike things ;-) JAT -- j I've lived in the real world enough, we're all here because we ain't all there. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
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Billie Erin Walsh -
clarkt＠cnsp.com -
Doug McGarrett -
Eberhard Roloff -
George Stoianov -
Greg Freemyer -
Hans van der Merwe -
jdd -
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Kai Ponte -
M Harris -
Mike McMullin -
Randall R Schulz