If anything could get me to go back to MickySoft, this IS it!!!! pro. photogs and graphic artists who use Linux are at a HUGE disadvantage because there's NO WAY in Gimp to get consistant ACCURATE color matching from the screen to paper, no matter what printer one uses!! This is a VITAL area that I've complained about before and it seems to fall on deaf ears. MickySoft just may be going to do something right for a change. Fred http://news.zdnet.com/2100-3513_22-5861541.html?tag=nl.e589 -- Planet Earth - a subsidiary of Microsoft. We have no bugs in our software, Never! We do have undocumented added features, that you will find amusing, at no added cost to you, at this time.
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If anything could get me to go back to MickySoft, this IS it!!!! pro. photogs and graphic artists who use Linux are at a HUGE disadvantage because there's NO WAY in Gimp to get consistant ACCURATE color matching from the screen to paper, no matter what printer one uses!! This is a VITAL area that I've complained about before and it seems to fall on deaf ears. MickySoft just may be going to do something right for a change.
Wow, I almost tagged this as spam... oh, wait... this *is* spam :) Social skills in e-mails is just overhyped. cheers - -- -o) Pascal Bleser http://linux01.gwdg.de/~pbleser/ /\\ <pascal.bleser@skynet.be> <guru@unixtech.be> _\_v ===> FOSDEM 2006 -- February 2006 in Brussels <=== -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFDKBuFr3NMWliFcXcRAg6IAJ4xsRMuwNuLeXrpjq4EKEjQNaOdFACgjAwq NnORICsmPby3BGvnNb7uqZY= =Pf2/ -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
On Wednesday 14 September 2005 8:45 am, Pascal Bleser wrote:
Fred A. Miller wrote:
If anything could get me to go back to MickySoft, this IS it!!!! pro. photogs and graphic artists who use Linux are at a HUGE disadvantage because there's NO WAY in Gimp to get consistant ACCURATE color matching from the screen to paper, no matter what printer one uses!! This is a VITAL area that I've complained about before and it seems to fall on deaf ears. MickySoft just may be going to do something right for a change.
Wow, I almost tagged this as spam... oh, wait... this *is* spam :)
NOT hardly!!!!! It's an area that has been ignored by the community, and really can't anylonger unless no one cares about pro. photogs. and graphic artists. If you don't, then I guess you can stick your head in a bucket and go one with what ever it is you do.
Social skills in e-mails is just overhyped.
B.S. Fred -- Planet Earth - a subsidiary of Microsoft. We have no bugs in our software, Never! We do have undocumented added features, that you will find amusing, at no added cost to you, at this time.
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On Wednesday 14 September 2005 8:45 am, Pascal Bleser wrote:
Fred A. Miller wrote:
If anything could get me to go back to MickySoft, this IS it!!!! pro. photogs and graphic artists who use Linux are at a HUGE disadvantage because there's NO WAY in Gimp to get consistant ACCURATE color matching from the screen to paper, no matter what printer one uses!! This is a VITAL area that I've complained about before and it seems to fall on deaf ears. MickySoft just may be going to do something right for a change. Wow, I almost tagged this as spam... oh, wait... this *is* spam :)
NOT hardly!!!!! It's an area that has been ignored by the community, and
I meant your way of "writing" and expressing yourself in e-mails. Looks like some p3n15 enlargement mail. I wonder why my dspam didn't flush it down the spam toilet rightaway. Must have whitelisted the openSUSE ML sender.
really can't anylonger unless no one cares about pro. photogs. and graphic artists. If you don't, then I guess you can stick your head in a bucket and go one with what ever it is you do.
http://www.valdyas.org/fading/index.cgi/hacking/krita/cmm.html Sure, some developers should care about photographs and graphic artists. But Linux won't fade away in front of windows wixa just because of that. What have you been smoking these days ? And instead of shouting around on the openSUSE mailing-list (which is quite off-topic here.. this isn't a gimp or krita mailing-list) that doom and wrath shall come over Linux because neither gimp or krita have color profile management, you could actually /do/ something about it, like - - discussing (I mean discussing, not shouting) about it with gimp or krita developers or on a gimp or krita mailing-list - - sponsor some gimp or krita developer(s) to have it implemented instead of spending many bucks on Photoshop or Windows licenses cheers - -- -o) Pascal Bleser http://linux01.gwdg.de/~pbleser/ /\\ <pascal.bleser@skynet.be> <guru@unixtech.be> _\_v The more things change, the more they stay insane. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFDKLiqr3NMWliFcXcRAoyKAJ9YxP9eOGioAkXrPP+Z4Wgmx6OUNQCgvr8a SMjTM5rPhduTqHtYL4mtwQw= =hz8i -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
On Wed, Sep 14, 2005 at 08:43:23AM -0400, Fred A. Miller wrote:
If anything could get me to go back to MickySoft, this IS it!!!! <snip non SUSE related drivel> Great. Enjoy. Now can we go on talking about what interests us?
houghi -- Quote correct (NL) http://www.briachons.org/art/quote/ Zitiere richtig (DE) http://www.afaik.de/usenet/faq/zitieren Quote correctly (EN) http://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html
If anything could get me to go back to MickySoft, this IS it!!!! pro. photogs and graphic artists who use Linux are at a HUGE disadvantage because there's NO WAY in Gimp to get consistant ACCURATE color matching from the screen to paper, no matter what printer one uses!! This is a VITAL area that I've complained about before and it seems to fall on deaf ears. MickySoft just may be going to do something right for a change.
Fred Sorry Fred, i disagree. I`m working with Gimp, there is no problem here Even on my PCC (Mac) its working perfect brite colors nice adjusting and good
Op woensdag 14 september 2005 14:43, schreef Fred A. Miller: prints on Epson and HP printers. The same colors as my screen colors. No way i`ll get back on Winhoos. I hope there are some professionals from SUSE who can help you with your problems. Ben
Sorry Fred, i disagree. I`m working with Gimp, there is no problem here Even on my PCC (Mac) its working perfect brite colors nice adjusting and good prints on Epson and HP printers. The same colors as my screen colors. No way i`ll get back on Winhoos. I hope there are some professionals from SUSE who can help you with your problems.
Ben What about installing the gimp-cmyk package ?
On Wednesday 14 September 2005 10:16 am, Youssef CHAHIBI wrote:
Sorry Fred, i disagree. I`m working with Gimp, there is no problem here Even on my PCC (Mac) its working perfect brite colors nice adjusting and good prints on Epson and HP printers. The same colors as my screen colors. No way i`ll get back on Winhoos. I hope there are some professionals from SUSE who can help you with your problems.
Ben
What about installing the gimp-cmyk package ?
'Of no use. What Gimp MUST do, is support printer profiles on the "backend," that is on output. It doesn't and last I knew, there's no guess as to when or if it will. Fred -- Planet Earth - a subsidiary of Microsoft. We have no bugs in our software, Never! We do have undocumented added features, that you will find amusing, at no added cost to you, at this time.
ben.henderson@planet.nl wrote:
Sorry Fred, i disagree. I`m working with Gimp, there is no problem here
I beg he speaks about the special screen devices that allows to setup the screen colors (looks like a tripod). Don't know if it works with Linux, why not? jdd -- pour m'écrire, aller sur: http://www.dodin.net http://valerie.dodin.net http://arvamip.free.fr
* jdd <jdd@dodin.org> [09-14-05 09:36]:
I beg he speaks about the special screen devices that allows to setup the screen colors (looks like a tripod). Don't know if it works with Linux, why not?
He is referring to profiles which are used to match color in/out to different devices, ie: scanner, crt/lcrt, printer.... Color matching is very difficult in linux, especially in demanding atmospheres. -- Patrick Shanahan Registered Linux User #207535 http://wahoo.no-ip.org @ http://counter.li.org HOG # US1244711 Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2
On Wednesday 14 September 2005 10:34 am, jdd wrote:
ben.henderson@planet.nl wrote:
Sorry Fred, i disagree. I`m working with Gimp, there is no problem here
I beg he speaks about the special screen devices that allows to setup the screen colors (looks like a tripod). Don't know if it works with Linux, why not?
If you had to do any VERY HIGH END color printing, you'd understand what ISN'T supported in Linux and should be. IF we had PhotoShop and all the software available from Adobe, then it wouldn't be a problem. But, we don't, I doubt we will as MickySoft does all it can to keep that from happening, and those of us (growing number) who MUST have printer profile support in Gimp, etc., WILL be driven back to MickySoft or a MAC and leave Linux. It's that simple. Fred -- Planet Earth - a subsidiary of Microsoft. We have no bugs in our software, Never! We do have undocumented added features, that you will find amusing, at no added cost to you, at this time.
Fred A. Miller wrote:
If you had to do any VERY HIGH END color printing, you'd understand what ISN'T
if you do high-end color/graphics stuff, you use a Mac, you don't use Windows or Linux. Why? a) color control b) lack of hassles with the computer
Fred A. Miller wrote:
If you had to do any VERY HIGH END color printing, you'd understand what ISN'T
if you do high-end color/graphics stuff, you use a Mac, you don't use Windows or Linux. Why? a) color control b) lack of hassles with the computer
--------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-help@opensuse.org Yes the question is, why it is not possible that i can have a proper color matching in Linux? A while ago one guy from pantone or colorvision made an aproache to calibrate
Am Do September 15 2005 20:44 schrieb Paul Mansfield: the monitor with some tools like colorvision spider. Unfortunatly this guy I can/t reach via email. Usually it should be possible to make a calibration and create an ICC profile of the used hardware Graphic board and monitor and If Linux or Xwindows is able to use this profile it should be perfect for a suitable colormatching. Software for working with digital photos is available for Linux and works well in openSuSE. What I am missing is just a little. That I can use the same equipement for calibration of the monitor. This tool called spider I can use on a Mac and on a Windows systrem but its a pitty, not in Linux. And when we reach the point that we can get this option in Linux it would be perfect. And for the guy who doen't understand what is colormatching, I suggest you take two machines, install Suse 10.0 and compare this phantastic wallpaper of the cameleon on the screens you will recognize they will look different. Just my five cent. And I didin't talk about printing yet. Manfred Burkert
On Thursday 15 September 2005 10:00 am, Manfred Burkert wrote:
And for the guy who doen't understand what is colormatching, I suggest you take two machines, install Suse 10.0 and compare this phantastic wallpaper of the cameleon on the screens you will recognize they will look different.
Just my five cent. And I didin't talk about printing yet.
On screen color isn't my problem......PRINTING is. Getting the image on screen to paper accurately. I have an Epson Stylus Photo 2200 that, for the most part, is worthless for it's intended use. Fred -- Planet Earth - a subsidiary of Microsoft. We have no bugs in our software, Never! We do have undocumented added features, that you will find amusing, at no added cost to you, at this time.
Am Sa September 17 2005 10:29 schrieb Fred A. Miller:
On Thursday 15 September 2005 10:00 am, Manfred Burkert wrote:
And for the guy who doen't understand what is colormatching, I suggest you take two machines, install Suse 10.0 and compare this phantastic wallpaper of the cameleon on the screens you will recognize they will look different.
Just my five cent. And I didin't talk about printing yet.
On screen color isn't my problem......PRINTING is. Getting the image on screen to paper accurately. I have an Epson Stylus Photo 2200 that, for the most part, is worthless for it's intended use.
Fred Ah I understand. I had a simular or even worse problem with my Canon i990. I couldn't print at all from SuSE 9.3 and 10.0. Then I found a driver from ZEDOnet.
It is payware but if you want excellent printing results then it is worth to spend the money. There are plenty options to adjust the colors of printing. You can download a demo version for testing from www.turboprint.de . The software is called Turboprint and run fine. After installation the printer is available as CUPS printer in your network. Regards Manfred Burkert
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Ah I understand. I had a simular or even worse problem with my Canon i990. I couldn't print at all from SuSE 9.3 and 10.0. Then I found a driver from ZEDOnet. It is payware but if you want excellent printing results then it is worth to spend the money. There are plenty options to adjust the colors of printing. You can download a demo version for testing from www.turboprint.de . The software is called Turboprint and run fine. After installation the printer is available as CUPS printer in your network.
I second that. Turboprint is quite cheap (40 EUR AFAICR) and it works great with a large number of printers. My Canon i965 works perfectly with it. Too bad it's not well supported out-of-the-box with OSS software but hey, it's cheap and show support to a small business that has been implementing Linux printer drivers for many years ;) And there isn't that much choice. HP inkjet printers s**k, are slow and their ink cardridges are very expensive. Epson.. well... no OSS drivers either and I had it with Epson in the past. Canon inkjet printers are the best (IMVHO) and, well, I see those 40 EUR as part of the printer purchasing price ;) Apart from that, as Manfred said, Turboprint is perfectly integrated into CUPS and has many options, also for calibration. cheers - -- -o) Pascal Bleser http://linux01.gwdg.de/~pbleser/ /\\ <pascal.bleser@skynet.be> <guru@unixtech.be> _\_v The more things change, the more they stay insane. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFDLLfEr3NMWliFcXcRArOIAKC+rxaePtBcdQyewt2wv/OI3lgeAgCcDC+J aJmY9DRMOq+ISnftFE8LF2g= =zr8P -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
On Saturday 17 September 2005 8:29 pm, Manfred Burkert wrote:
On screen color isn't my problem......PRINTING is. Getting the image on screen to paper accurately. I have an Epson Stylus Photo 2200 that, for the most part, is worthless for it's intended use.
Fred
Ah I understand. I had a simular or even worse problem with my Canon i990. I couldn't print at all from SuSE 9.3 and 10.0. Then I found a driver from ZEDOnet.
It is payware but if you want excellent printing results then it is worth to spend the money. There are plenty options to adjust the colors of printing.
You can download a demo version for testing from www.turboprint.de . The software is called Turboprint and run fine. After installation the printer is available as CUPS printer in your network.
Having controls isn't the problem.......color matching is the problem. Thanks, Fred -- Planet Earth - a subsidiary of Microsoft. We have no bugs in our software, Never! We do have undocumented added features, that you will find amusing, at no added cost to you, at this time.
On Thursday 15 September 2005 8:44 am, Paul Mansfield wrote:
Fred A. Miller wrote:
If you had to do any VERY HIGH END color printing, you'd understand what ISN'T
if you do high-end color/graphics stuff, you use a Mac, you don't use Windows or Linux. Why? a) color control b) lack of hassles with the computer
I refuse to give 1 cent to Mickysoft, and prefer SUSE to anything else. I've had to send most work out, which isn't what I'd prefer to do. I keep hoping that Gimp will someday handle color matching like Photoshop does. Fred -- Planet Earth - a subsidiary of Microsoft. We have no bugs in our software, Never! We do have undocumented added features, that you will find amusing, at no added cost to you, at this time.
On Wednesday 14 September 2005 9:55 am, ben.henderson@planet.nl wrote: [snip]
Sorry Fred, i disagree. I`m working with Gimp, there is no problem here Even on my PCC (Mac) its working perfect brite colors nice adjusting and good prints on Epson and HP printers. The same colors as my screen colors. No way i`ll get back on Winhoos. I hope there are some professionals from SUSE who can help you with your problems.
I'm a pro. photog. NONE of us can get the color matching that we MUST have as Gimp CAN'T DO IT, and Linux doesn't support it natively. What MickySoft is going to do in Vista, is VERY smart indeed.......which is a new "twist" for them. As long as this area of support is ignored, graphic artists and pro. photogs WON'T be converting to Linux. Fred -- Planet Earth - a subsidiary of Microsoft. We have no bugs in our software, Never! We do have undocumented added features, that you will find amusing, at no added cost to you, at this time.
Am Mittwoch, 14. September 2005 14.43 schrieb Fred A. Miller:
If anything could get me to go back to MickySoft, this IS it!!!! pro. photogs and graphic artists who use Linux are at a HUGE disadvantage because there's NO WAY in Gimp to get consistant ACCURATE color matching from the screen to paper, no matter what printer one uses!! This is a VITAL area that I've complained about before and it seems to fall on deaf ears. MickySoft just may be going to do something right for a change.
Hi Fred I use LCMS (http://www.littlecms.com) together with Scribus for DTP. I actually do not know much about color management, but the magazine that came back from the printing factory had the same colors as the PDF file I sent them had on my screen. As far as GIMP is concerned, I found that one: http://www.freecolormanagement.com/color/color_manager.html Seems to be quite old. Did not try it. There is also a quite active mailing list about integrating CM into GIMP-print (called openICC): http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/openicc The website of OpenICC is here: http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/OpenIcc Perhaps you could help these guys, at least with testing. Dani
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Patrick Shanahan -
Paul Mansfield -
Youssef CHAHIBI