On Sun, 2008-07-06 at 22:58 -0700, Vahe Avedissian wrote:

Folks,

MAybe this never made it out... I never got a reply from anyone on these update issues. Any input anyone?

Vahe

--- On Fri, 6/27/08, Vahe Avedissian wrote:

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From: Vahe Avedissian Subject: [opensuse] problems updating 10.3 x64 --> 11.0 x64 To: opensuse@opensuse.org Date: Friday, June 27, 2008, 8:43 AM Folks,

I tried updating my 11.3 x64 install to 11.0 x64 and for the first time since 9.x releases, I ran into several problems. I verified the DVD media was correct (md5sum). Here are the problems I ran into:

1. Early into the install it asked me to insert the DVD media. The media was obviously there, otherwise the install would not start. 2. I got an error that it could not remove my nvidia package. On re-try it succeeded. 3. I got an error about installing one or more rpm modules. 4. I'm seen a lot of traffic on naming by-id versus label versus name. I guess with 10.3 opensuse started using name by-id and now with 11.0 I notice the device ordering is changed as well. My system has one IDE (Sata), one SCSI (harware raid), and one dm-raid array which is not properly recognized and appears as a set of IDE drives. With 10.3 or earlier release AT INSTALL the disks are ordered IDE then SCSI. With 11.0 they are ordered SCSI and then IDE. 5. During install you chose the disk to install on by name and not id or label. I chose the correct disk to install on. However, on the second try to update, part of the installation went onto one of the dm-raid drives (screwing it up) even though I still selected the correct root partition to upgrade. Furthermore, I had a separate /usr partition/mount point which did not get mounted and the installed tried to install everything into my root partition which quickly filled up and I had to abort. 6. I ended up doing a completely new re-install from scratch. That went reasonably smooth. However, after rebooting, the disk ordering is the same as that or earlier releases! For example, during installation sda was the SCSI drive and sdb was the IDE. I installed on sda (the SCSI drive) but after installation completed and I rebooted the system showed that it was indeed installed on the SCSI drive but that drive was now appearing as sdb!!! This is most confusing and inconsistant!

I wanted to know if anyone else has run into this situation. I fear from this point onward I will always have a problem updating or doing a new install. I know there has been discussion on forcing a disk naming order but unless one knows how the final disk name ording will be in advance it is impossible to know how to set the ordering of disk names so that during and after installation one sees the same names.

Any suggestions on solving this are greatly appreciated.

Vahe Avedissian

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On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 11:43 AM, Vahe Avedissian wrote:

1. Early into the install it asked me to insert the DVD media. The media was obviously there, otherwise the install would not start.

Are you using a SATA or ATA DVD drive?

4. I'm seen a lot of traffic on naming by-id versus label versus name. I guess with 10.3 opensuse started using name by-id and now with 11.0 I notice the device ordering is changed as well. My system has one IDE (Sata), one SCSI (harware raid), and one dm-raid array which is not properly recognized and appears as a set of IDE drives. With 10.3 or earlier release AT INSTALL the disks are ordered IDE then SCSI. With 11.0 they are ordered SCSI and then IDE.

I've had issues with this for a while. IDE burners were /dev/sr0, then they were the actual device like /dev/hdc, now they are back to sr0. Using SCSI and IDE seems to be ok, but when you used a USB driver, it could end up being seen as sda instead of the actual SCSI drive if it was plugged in as boot. Now that the kernel is not only assigning SATA as SCSI, but IDE as well, I've ran into a few issues with the ordering. I can see using SATA as sdx, but not IDE. I recently swapped the DVD-ROM in my Thinkpad for a DVD-RW, and it's now seen as /dev/hdd instead of /dev/hdc, and that's messed up my links for programs like MPlayer.

6. I ended up doing a completely new re-install from scratch. That went reasonably smooth.

I've done new installs for a long time. I just recently installed SuSE v7.3 on an old Thinkpad, and then tried upgrading it to v8.1. It managed to make the / partition read only and I just wiped it and did a fresh install. It reminded me why I usually do a fresh install. I've never had a lot of luck with upgrades. I also usually disconnect other drives and then re-add them(via YaST or just editing /etc/fstab) afterwards. That's also why I have a 5GB / and then the rest of the drive as a /files directory so that IF I have to re-install, I don't lose all my extra files. That's saved me many times with a hosed install.

Any suggestions on solving this are greatly appreciated.

Like I said, disconnect all drives but the install drive, and then re-add them in. This may break the install if the drive letters change(and people say only WinDoZe uses drive letters.... :-)...), but at least this way you will know that your data is safe. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Hi Carlos, --- On Mon, 7/7/08, Carlos E. R. wrote:

From: Carlos E. R. Subject: Re: [opensuse] problems updating 10.3 x64 --> 11.0 x64 To: "OS-en" Date: Monday, July 7, 2008, 3:52 AM -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1

The Sunday 2008-07-06 at 22:58 -0700, Vahe Avedissian wrote:

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MAybe this never made it out... I never got a reply from anyone on these update issues. Any input anyone?

Too complicated :-)

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- -- Cheers, Carlos E. R.

Well, if it were not so complicated, there would be no need to post to this group ;)... Anyway, here is what I suspect the root problem is: I have the following disks: 1. sata disk 2. 3ware raid array #1 3. 3ware array #2 fdisk and yast partitioner lists drives as: 1. sata disk ==> sda 2. 3ware raid array #1 ==> sdb 3. 3ware array #2 ==> sdc however, when I look in boot/grub, I see the following (in device.map): 1. sata disk ==> sdc 2. 3ware raid array #1 ==> sda 3. 3ware array #2 ==> sdb Basically, part of 11.0 sees disks in a different order than the other part. During installation, I *was* very careful to select the correct disk/partition but that did not eventually work because of the above problem. This is again an issue with enumerating sata/ide disks first and then scsi disks, versus the other way around. There seems to be an internal inconsistency withing 11.0! I don't know if this qualifies as a bug, but it sure makes updates and other maintenance a nightmare! Comments anyone? Vahe -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org