On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 05:57:55PM -0500, David C. Rankin wrote:

On 05/22/2012 04:23 PM, Lars Müller wrote:

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Happy further fudding! ;)

More productive would have been to file bug reports and to point the LibreOffice developers to the missing features/ bugfixes.

I know we have several people here on list preferring to rant than filing defect reports. But our game and the rules are quite clear: Our developer life is driven by bugzilla. If there is no report then there is no issue.

Be this nice and report the IDs of the issues back to this thread.

Why do I have to file multiple issues?

As one issue is tracked by one bug report.

Err... OK...

https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=119351 Paste with select buffer (middle-mouse) resets cursor to start position after paste

I expect non of the LibreOffice developers will work on ooo issues. As said before: There had been good reasons to start with LibreOffice. See for example http://news.slashdot.org/story/11/02/16/1740257/compared-and-contrasted-open... and many, many others sites. You find them all if you search for 'why libreoffice instead of openoffice'. https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/bug/ leads to the libreoffice bug tracker. Thanks, Lars -- Lars Müller [ˈlaː(r)z ˈmʏlɐ] Samba Team + SUSE Labs SUSE Linux, Maxfeldstraße 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany

2012. május 22. 23:23 napon Lars Müller írta:

On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 03:31:10PM -0500, David C. Rankin wrote: [ 8< ]

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Yes, I've heard the howls - "oh we only use LO now, Oracle has ... done this or ... done that to openoffice" --> nonsense. It is an Apache project and all opensouce now. You don't mind using their webserver -- do you?

Why have they moved under the Apache umbrella?

The answer might give you a better feeling regarding sense and nonsense.

Happy further fudding! ;)

Hello: I don't see why would it be fudding sharing experience. I am interested in OOo and think other might be as well.

More productive would have been to file bug reports and to point the LibreOffice developers to the missing features/ bugfixes.

This has nothing to do with his message. He just said he could install OOo and it works well. This does not do anything with bug reporting. These are completely different things, the why mixing them?

I know we have several people here on list preferring to rant than filing defect reports. But our game and the rules are quite clear: Our developer life is driven by bugzilla. If there is no report then there is no issue.

The same as above applies. What is your problem with OOo? Maybe that it's an alternative to LO, and even works?

Be this nice and report the IDs of the issues back to this thread.

What IDs and what issues? He only mentions the spacing issue. This is an old problem and should have been fixed ages ago. This is LO developers' (and users') problem, not? And if those bug reports really would be so important and really would be the drivers/triggers of development, then would not be ignored for years. (Like in the case of KDE4, firefox). Istvan -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Carlos E. R. wrote:

Well, I don't know. I would like to know why can't both projects join again in one.

It is a perfectly innocent and fair question on my part. I really do not know.

Indeed so, and the usual way to find the answers to questions is to start by googling, and then come back here with opensuse-specific questions that google fails to answer. :) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

+1 Duaine On 05/23/2012 01:45 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:

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On 2012-05-23 18:00, Dave Howorth wrote:

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Carlos E. R. wrote:

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Well, I don't know. I would like to know why can't both projects join again in one.

It is a perfectly innocent and fair question on my part. I really do not know. Indeed so, and the usual way to find the answers to questions is to start by googling, and then come back here with opensuse-specific questions that google fails to answer. :) Well, specific oS question: why don't we drop libre office and go back to A OO?

The goal was to get rid of Oracle. That has been accomplished, so lets go back.

- -- Cheers / Saludos,

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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 2012-05-23 23:21, phanisvara das wrote:

On Thu, 24 May 2012 00:15:20 +0530, Carlos E. R. wrote:

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Well, specific oS question: why don't we drop libre office and go back to A OO?

maybe here's some reasons. of course, there will be those who consider this 'FUD', or whatever, and personally i don't pretend to know what's going on, or should or shouldn't be going on with this office suit. on first glimpse though, the 'open letter' makes sense to me:

http://keithcu.com/wordpress/?p=2567

Dated last year. Well, this explains my bewilderment. It is not that we should join them, but that they should join us, then. A-OO should be dropped. - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 11.4 x86_64 "Celadon" at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.16 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk+98uwACgkQIvFNjefEBxpSogCeJQaEN8u/1aXWaEyWG7mQ3Ufo sToAnAq0LhfutcdFJ2mm8QkdP2FQ0d9/ =P6oS -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 2012-05-24 08:02, Per Jessen wrote:

Carlos E. R. wrote:

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Well, specific oS question: why don't we drop libre office and go back to A OO?

Is there a reason why we shouldn't offer both? We also offer mysql and mariadb, syslog-ng and rsyslog etc etc.

In the case of *sql, I see confusion, I don't know what to use. In the case of A-OO vs LO, I see division of labor. I don't really see the advantage. - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 11.4 x86_64 "Celadon" at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.16 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk+981wACgkQIvFNjefEBxocowCgqjAR21xNaauqzodQXkwnP0S8 P8cAoK2l/7TLqKyrTtBKAEzFjIiYFlWm =CDFs -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On Thu, May 24, 2012 at 04:21:08PM +0200, Per Jessen wrote:

Carlos E. R. wrote:

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On 2012-05-24 08:02, Per Jessen wrote:

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Carlos E. R. wrote:

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Well, specific oS question: why don't we drop libre office and go back to A OO?

Is there a reason why we shouldn't offer both? We also offer mysql and mariadb, syslog-ng and rsyslog etc etc.

In the case of *sql, I see confusion, I don't know what to use. In the case of A-OO vs LO, I see division of labor. I don't really see the advantage.

We're talking about projects that have branched - remember gcc and egcs? We don't know which branch is likely to live or be the strongest, so we include both in the distro. Same for mysql and mariadb. Which one to use is up to you.

Well, SUSE has lots of the Libreoffice developers on staff, and in their opinion (check Michael Meeks blog entries;) LibreOffice is the stronger one. Ciao, Marcus -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On Thursday, 24 May 2012 01:02 Per Jessen wrote:

Carlos E. R. wrote:

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On 2012-05-23 18:00, Dave Howorth wrote:

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Carlos E. R. wrote:

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Well, I don't know. I would like to know why can't both projects join again in one.

It is a perfectly innocent and fair question on my part. I really do not know.

Indeed so, and the usual way to find the answers to questions is to start by googling, and then come back here with opensuse-specific questions that google fails to answer. :)

Well, specific oS question: why don't we drop libre office and go back to A OO?

Is there a reason why we shouldn't offer both? We also offer mysql and mariadb, syslog-ng and rsyslog etc etc.

I'm sticking with OO. It works, it isn't the boogeyman so many thought was coming to get us, it works and does what I need quite well, and I don't have to wait for LO to finally get to the same point of working as well as OO. I'm sure there's nothing wrong with LO, and if someone wants to use it over another, who cares? Use what fors for you and be happy. -- Powered by Slackware 13.37 07:58:35 up 3 days, 2:22, 2 users, load average: 0.89, 0.82, 0.79 Properly read, the Bible is the most potent force for atheism ever conceived. - Isaac Asimov Registered Linux user #214117 at http://linuxcounter.net -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org