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steve-ss

18 Jun 2004 18 Jun '04

00:08

Only users can login via kdm setup under 9.1. Trying to login as root dumps me back at the login screen. How can root login? Can anyone help? Thanks, Steve.

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Patrick Shanahan

17 Jun 17 Jun

22:51

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* steve-ss [06-17-04 17:40]:

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Only users can login via kdm setup under 9.1. Trying to login as root dumps me back at the login screen. How can root login?

kdesu xterm -e su su - sudo lots of ways to perform root operations. Question would be whether on not you consider providing root access to things a 'login' and why with the other abilities you would want to login to kdm as root. -- Patrick Shanahan Registered Linux User #207535 http://wahoo.no-ip.org @ http://counter.li.org HOG # US1244711 Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/photos

James Knott

23:54

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Patrick Shanahan wrote:

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* steve-ss [06-17-04 17:40]:

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Only users can login via kdm setup under 9.1. Trying to login as root dumps me back at the login screen. How can root login?

kdesu xterm -e su su - sudo

lots of ways to perform root operations. Question would be whether on not you consider providing root access to things a 'login' and why with the other abilities you would want to login to kdm as root.

FWIW, I can log in as root.

Patrick Shanahan

18 Jun 18 Jun

00:14

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* James Knott [06-17-04 18:57]:

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Patrick Shanahan wrote:

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lots of ways to perform root operations. Question would be whether on not you consider providing root access to things a 'login' and why with the other abilities you would want to login to kdm as root.

FWIW, I can log in as root.

Why would you want to? -- Patrick Shanahan Registered Linux User #207535 http://wahoo.no-ip.org @ http://counter.li.org HOG # US1244711 Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/photos

James Knott

00:44

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Patrick Shanahan wrote:

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* James Knott [06-17-04 18:57]:

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Patrick Shanahan wrote:

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lots of ways to perform root operations. Question would be whether on not you consider providing root access to things a 'login' and why with the other abilities you would want to login to kdm as root.

FWIW, I can log in as root.

Why would you want to?

I didn't say I wanted to, just that I could, after someone else said you couldn't log in as root. I normally log in as a user and only do specific things as root.

steve-ss

08:13

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On Friday 18 June 2004 01:14, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

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* James Knott [06-17-04 18:57]:

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Patrick Shanahan wrote:

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lots of ways to perform root operations. Question would be whether on not you consider providing root access to things a 'login' and why with the other abilities you would want to login to kdm as root.

FWIW, I can log in as root.

Why would you want to?

Thanks for the advice. I can now login by dropping to runlevel 3 and doing startx. Whether I should login as root really must be a matter for me no matter how wrong I am! Cheers, Steve.

January Weiner

21 Jun 21 Jun

08:32

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lots of ways to perform root operations. Question would be whether on not you consider providing root access to things a 'login' and why with the other abilities you would want to login to kdm as root.

FWIW, I can log in as root.

Why would you want to?

Why not? I mean, yes, I know the reasons. But hell, 1) if I want to shoot myself in the foot it is my problem only 2) if I want a system that makes decissions for me then I'll go Windows 3) setting "automatic login" for user machines with one user defined[*] is worse than logging in as root, and still SuSE does that one 4) sometimes it really does not matter Informing, warning and suggesting good manners to the users is not the same as forcing them to do things even when they perfectly know what they are doing. The same problem -- you can no longer start x-apps as root, even after setting xhost +localhost. Yeah, I *know*, this is supposed to be oh-so-bad and oh-so-dangerous. But this is *my* business. I *know* how to do it properly, I just don't bother. j. [*] this one was good, 'cause "system with one user defined" is not the same as "single user system, separated from the network and kept in a locked case in a bank safe in Switzerland". -- ------------ January Weiner 3 ---------------------+--------------- Division of Bioinformatics, University of Muenster | Schloßplatz 4 (+49)(251)8321634 | D48149 Münster http://www.uni-muenster.de/Biologie.Botanik/ebb/ | Germany

Anders Johansson

08:43

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On Monday 21 June 2004 10.32, January Weiner wrote:

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Informing, warning and suggesting good manners to the users is not the same as forcing them to do things even when they perfectly know what they are doing.

Even when they don't, but only think they do? I submit that anyone who feels he wants to do a full log on as root in KDE doesn't know what he's doing.

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The same problem -- you can no longer start x-apps as root, even after setting xhost +localhost.

This, I believe, is a result of -nolisten tcp, not of some extra security concern Use "xhost +local:" instead

January Weiner

08:54

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Informing, warning and suggesting good manners to the users is not the same as forcing them to do things even when they perfectly know what they are doing.

Even when they don't, but only think they do? I submit that anyone who feels he wants to do a full log on as root in KDE doesn't know what he's doing.

1) Are we talking KDE or generally "graphical logging in" here? I thought second would be the case. 2) So I might shoot down my system. Right. Like when I do a network boot and everything I can damage is either RAMdisk or CD-ROM.

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The same problem -- you can no longer start x-apps as root, even after setting xhost +localhost.

This, I believe, is a result of -nolisten tcp, not of some extra security concern

Use "xhost +local:" instead

OK, thanks. j. -- ------------ January Weiner 3 ---------------------+--------------- Division of Bioinformatics, University of Muenster | Schloßplatz 4 (+49)(251)8321634 | D48149 Münster http://www.uni-muenster.de/Biologie.Botanik/ebb/ | Germany

Jerome Lyles

8 Jul 8 Jul

23:13

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On Thursday 17 June 2004 12:51 pm, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

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* steve-ss [06-17-04 17:40]:

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Only users can login via kdm setup under 9.1. Trying to login as root dumps me back at the login screen. How can root login?

kdesu xterm -e su su - sudo

lots of ways to perform root operations. Question would be whether on not you consider providing root access to things a 'login' and why with the other abilities you would want to login to kdm as root. -- Patrick Shanahan Registered Linux User #207535 http://wahoo.no-ip.org @ http://counter.li.org HOG # US1244711 Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/photos

I just learned I can not login as root on one of my systems (upgraded 9.1). I can login as root on the other upgraded 9.1. One thing I noticed is that the kdm login screen says SUSE Linux 9.0. 1. How do I tell which version of SUSE I'm running? 2. Are there log messages or commands that would give me a clue why I can't login? 3. Anyone know how to fix this? Thanks, Jerome

Anders Johansson

23:17

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On Friday 09 July 2004 01.13, Jerome Lyles wrote:

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I just learned I can not login as root on one of my systems (upgraded 9.1). I can login as root on the other upgraded 9.1. One thing I noticed is that the kdm login screen says SUSE Linux 9.0.

That's really weird. They didn't change that until 9.1. In 9.0 it was still SuSE

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1. How do I tell which version of SUSE I'm running?

cat /etc/SuSE-release but you may have a half/half system, with packages not upgraded. Try rpm -qa --qf "%{Name} %{Distribution}\n" |grep -v 9.1

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2. Are there log messages or commands that would give me a clue why I can't login? 3. Anyone know how to fix this?

It's not broken. The default in 9.1 is to not allow root to log in graphically through kdm. If you *really* must, then change it in yast's security settings. But you never *really* must

Jerome Lyles

23:45

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On Thursday 08 July 2004 01:17 pm, Anders Johansson wrote:

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On Friday 09 July 2004 01.13, Jerome Lyles wrote:

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I just learned I can not login as root on one of my systems (upgraded 9.1). I can login as root on the other upgraded 9.1. One thing I noticed is that the kdm login screen says SUSE Linux 9.0.

That's really weird. They didn't change that until 9.1. In 9.0 it was still SuSE

It probably is SuSE, I just copied the SUSE from the kdm login screen on the system I can login as root on.

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1. How do I tell which version of SUSE I'm running?

cat /etc/SuSE-release

but you may have a half/half system, with packages not upgraded. Try

rpm -qa --qf "%{Name} %{Distribution}\n" |grep -v 9.1

It seems to me this command checks the rpm db for 9.1 rpms. But here is some of the output I get: kdenetwork3-dialup SuSE Linux 9.0 (i386) permissions SuSE Linux 9.0 (i586) kdepim3 SuSE Linux 9.0 (i386) python-pylirc (none) zope-PlacelessTranslationService (none) a52dec SuSE Linux 8.2 (i586) scribus (none) feynmf SuSE 9.0 kdegames3-card SuSE Linux 9.0 (i386) kdelibs3-devel-doc SuSE Linux 9.0 (i386) kdeadmin3 SuSE Linux 9.0 (i386) kdenetwork3-InstantMessenger SuSE Linux 9.0 (i386) Yet: :~> cat /etc/SuSE-release SuSE Linux 9.1 (i586) VERSION = 9.1 Does this mean the system is half and half?

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2. Are there log messages or commands that would give me a clue why I can't login? 3. Anyone know how to fix this?

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It's not broken. The default in 9.1 is to not allow root to log in graphically through kdm.

If you *really* must, then change it in yast's security settings.

I can't see how using yast, I tried. I'll bet you know.

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But you never *really* must

I may really *must*:-). I can't access my firewire drive since the upgrade and I wanted to login as root to see if I had access to the drive as root. Looking for the way through, Jerome

peter Nikolic

18 Jun 18 Jun

06:01

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On Friday 18 Jun 2004 01:08, steve-ss wrote:

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Only users can login via kdm setup under 9.1. Trying to login as root dumps me back at the login screen. How can root login?

Can anyone help?

Thanks, Steve.

no problem logging in as root here either -- Linux user No: 256242 Machine No: 139931 G6NJR Pete also MSA registered "Quinton 11" A Linux Only area Happy bug hunting M$ clan PGN

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