[opensuse] Okular - Please put Adobe Reader back in
Since switching to Leap 15.0, I have been forced to use Okular, as Adobe Reader no longer works. Is it possible to please PLEASE put it back in there? I find Okular is a very poor replacement for Adobe. For example, I often get some bills online, open them and then save. While I can open them, saving them is a real pain, compared to Adobe. For example, when I select Save as, it wants to put the file in some directory that has nothing to do with where I save documents. I can only assume it's a directory for temp files. There isn't even an easy selection for my home directory. I have to click on a button to take me to /, where I then have to select home, then my ID and only then, am I anywhere near where I want to save the file. With Adobe, it had no problem automatically selecting the folder where I wanted to save the file. Why isn't there something as simple as a home directory button, so I don't have to go through all that nonsense? Please put Adobe Reader back in, so that we have a PDF app that works properly!!! -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Hi,
On Aug 29, 2018, at 11:44, James Knott <james.knott@jknott.net> wrote:
Please put Adobe Reader back in, so that we have a PDF app ...
There were reports that Adobe Reader has problems with Leap 15 due to its dependencies and what is provided by the system. I need to find the thread about this. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 08/29/2018 11:49 AM, Tom Kacvinsky wrote:
Hi,
On Aug 29, 2018, at 11:44, James Knott <james.knott@jknott.net> wrote:
Please put Adobe Reader back in, so that we have a PDF app ... There were reports that Adobe Reader has problems with Leap 15 due to its dependencies and what is provided by the system. I need to find the thread about this.
I recall that thread, but it doesn't change the fact that Okular is a poor substitute. Maybe someone can do something about those dependencies, as Okular is an exercise in frustration. Why, for example, is there not a button to start from the home directory, rather than click a couple of times to get up to the top and then click down? Why not remember where files have been saved previously, instead of coming up with a list of locations I've never used? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Hi,
On Aug 29, 2018, at 11:44, James Knott <james.knott@jknott.net> wrote:
Please put Adobe Reader back in, so that we have a PDF app ...
There were reports that Adobe Reader has problems with Leap 15 due to its dependencies and what is provided by the system. I need to find the thread about this. I recall that thread, but it doesn't change the fact that Okular is a
On 08/29/2018 11:49 AM, Tom Kacvinsky wrote: poor substitute. Maybe someone can do something about those dependencies, as Okular is an exercise in frustration. Why, for example, is there not a button to start from the home directory There is / can be. At least in KDE, which I assume you run. See my other post. , rather than click a couple of times to get up to the top and then click down? Why not remember where files have been saved previously, instead of coming up with a list of locations I've never used? It defaults to the place where you ( temporarily ) downloaded to open the file ( /tmp/somefolder ). If you don't open, but use Save As, AFAICS the file
Op woensdag 29 augustus 2018 17:55:50 CEST schreef James Knott: dialog does remember. -- Gertjan Lettink a.k.a. Knurpht openSUSE Board Member openSUSE Forums Team -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 08/29/2018 11:59 AM, Knurpht-openSUSE wrote:
If you don't open, but use Save As, AFAICS the file dialog does remember.
I used Save as for several documents in a row. It never remembered. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Am 29.08.2018 um 18:03 schrieb James Knott:
On 08/29/2018 11:59 AM, Knurpht-openSUSE wrote:
If you don't open, but use Save As, AFAICS the file dialog does remember.
I used Save as for several documents in a row. It never remembered.
Hi, have not read all this here, so maybe you know already: a) try evince (for me as kde user it looks a little bit "ugly" but is in some stuff better than okular) b) there is a bug 1102287 which makes problems for libreoffice to recognize the correct save directory, maybe this also affects okular. Might have been fixed in plasma-integration though by https://cgit.kde.org/plasma-integration.git/commit/?id=4848bec177b2527662098... That fix will be in Plasma 5.13.5... simoN -- www.becherer.de -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 2018-08-29 11:55, James Knott wrote:
On 08/29/2018 11:49 AM, Tom Kacvinsky wrote:
Hi,
On Aug 29, 2018, at 11:44, James Knott <james.knott@jknott.net> wrote:
Please put Adobe Reader back in, so that we have a PDF app ... There were reports that Adobe Reader has problems with Leap 15 due to its dependencies and what is provided by the system. I need to find the thread about this.
I recall that thread, but it doesn't change the fact that Okular is a poor substitute. Maybe someone can do something about those dependencies, as Okular is an exercise in frustration. Why, for example, is there not a button to start from the home directory, rather than click a couple of times to get up to the top and then click down? Why not remember where files have been saved previously, instead of coming up with a list of locations I've never used?
I agree that nothing is a real good substitute for Adobe acroread program, but openSUSE can not put it back. The software is proprietary and the owner (Adobe) has abandoned it for Linux: they do not publish any new version since several years. Thus the existing version has holes and is a pain to install. If you want it, as I do, you have to do what that thread said: it works here. There are also other proprietary alternatives that also work and are currently maintained. I can't recall their names this instant, but I reported my findings in this list. So go find that thread and read it :-) Foxit? -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from openSUSE 15.0 (Legolas)) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 08/29/2018 08:49 AM, Tom Kacvinsky wrote:
Hi,
On Aug 29, 2018, at 11:44, James Knott <james.knott@jknott.net> wrote:
Please put Adobe Reader back in, so that we have a PDF app ... There were reports that Adobe Reader has problems with Leap 15 due to its dependencies and what is provided by the system. I need to find the thread about this.
I've had to use acroread because there are times when okular just can't render and print a pdf correctly. It looks like font issues of some sort. So I've been manually installing the latest rpm I could find from Adobe, acroread-9.5.5-8.1.i586.rpm. I've been doing this since 13.1. or so. I know it's unsupported and has security issues, but I only use it when okular fails, and then only on pdf's from trusted sources. But now I can't find two dependencies in Leap 15: ISO8859-1.so UTF-16.so I haven't tried pulling these from 42.3 yet, maybe I'll get a chance today. Regards, Lew -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Op woensdag 29 augustus 2018 19:20:57 CEST schreef Lew Wolfgang:
On 08/29/2018 08:49 AM, Tom Kacvinsky wrote:
Hi,
On Aug 29, 2018, at 11:44, James Knott <james.knott@jknott.net> wrote:
Please put Adobe Reader back in, so that we have a PDF app ...
There were reports that Adobe Reader has problems with Leap 15 due to its dependencies and what is provided by the system. I need to find the thread about this. I've had to use acroread because there are times when okular just can't render and print a pdf correctly. It looks like font issues of some sort.
So I've been manually installing the latest rpm I could find from Adobe, acroread-9.5.5-8.1.i586.rpm. I've been doing this since 13.1. or so.
I know it's unsupported and has security issues, but I only use it when okular fails, and then only on pdf's from trusted sources.
But now I can't find two dependencies in Leap 15:
ISO8859-1.so UTF-16.so
I haven't tried pulling these from 42.3 yet, maybe I'll get a chance today.
Regards, Lew You could also branch the 42.3 packages and try to build them for 15.0 in OBS.
-- Gertjan Lettink a.k.a. Knurpht openSUSE Board Member openSUSE Forums Team -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On Aug 29, 2018, at 13:20:57, Lew Wolfgang <wolfgang@sweet-haven.com> wrote:
On 08/29/2018 08:49 AM, Tom Kacvinsky wrote:
Hi,
On Aug 29, 2018, at 11:44, James Knott <james.knott@jknott.net> wrote:
Please put Adobe Reader back in, so that we have a PDF app ... There were reports that Adobe Reader has problems with Leap 15 due to its dependencies and what is provided by the system. I need to find the thread about this.
I've had to use acroread because there are times when okular just can't render and print a pdf correctly. It looks like font issues of some sort.
Can you send me the problematic PDF file offline? It might be an issue with FeeType of any of the other font libraries used for the PDF reader you are using - aside from Acrobat. What readers have you tried? Ghostscript is pretty good, but Okular uses the Ghostscript run-time library behind the scenes if I recall correctly, so it could be a Ghostscript issue. Regardless, the problem should be diagnosed and fixed as I don't think an unsupported application (Acrobat) should be made to work with Leap. Then again, I think I still have contacts at Adobe and can ping them to see what they have to say about this. I bet the answer will be no, it will not be activated again for Linux, but I figure it can't hurt to try. They are, after all, involved with the CFF (compact font format, a wrapper around Type 2 char strings) rendered in FreeType, which is used in OTF fonts. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 2018-08-29 13:29, Tom Kacvinsky wrote:
What readers have you tried? Ghostscript is pretty good, but Okular uses the Ghostscript run-time library behind the scenes if I recall correctly, so it could be a Ghostscript issue.
Regardless, the problem should be diagnosed and fixed as I don't think an unsupported application (Acrobat) should be made to work with Leap.
Try to render a form that uses javascript. AFAIK, there is no Linux free app that renders them. Some try, some refuse. Nothing can open "Livecycle Dynamic XFA forms" except acroread.
Then again, I think I still have contacts at Adobe and can ping them to see what they have to say about this. I bet the answer will be no, it will not be activated again for Linux, but I figure it can't hurt to try. They are, after all, involved with the CFF (compact font format, a wrapper around Type 2 char strings) rendered in FreeType, which is used in OTF fonts.
It would be wonderful if they would come back to Linux. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from openSUSE 15.0 (Legolas)) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On Wed, 29 Aug 2018 15:18:25 -0400 "Carlos E. R." <robin.listas@gmx.es> wrote:
Try to render a form that uses javascript. AFAIK, there is no Linux free app that renders them. Some try, some refuse. Nothing can open "Livecycle Dynamic XFA forms" except acroread.
Ask whichever organization forces you to use such a technology to (a) supply the form in an open technology if they're a government organization, or otherwise bound to EU rules, or (b) use Livecycle ES4 to transform the forms to HTML5 ('for use on your phone') -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 2018-08-29 16:54, Dave Howorth wrote:
On Wed, 29 Aug 2018 15:18:25 -0400 "Carlos E. R." <> wrote:
Try to render a form that uses javascript. AFAIK, there is no Linux free app that renders them. Some try, some refuse. Nothing can open "Livecycle Dynamic XFA forms" except acroread.
Ask whichever organization forces you to use such a technology to (a) supply the form in an open technology if they're a government organization, or otherwise bound to EU rules, or
Not gonna happen. Linux? WTF is Linux? Your computer doesn't work? Here, have some paper. Or buy a compliant computer. Not our problem. You caused the problem by using Linux.
(b) use Livecycle ES4 to transform the forms to HTML5 ('for use on your phone')
There is acrobat for Android. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from openSUSE 15.0 (Legolas)) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2018-08-29 16:54, Dave Howorth wrote:
On Wed, 29 Aug 2018 15:18:25 -0400 "Carlos E. R." <> wrote:
Try to render a form that uses javascript. AFAIK, there is no Linux free app that renders them. Some try, some refuse. Nothing can open "Livecycle Dynamic XFA forms" except acroread.
Ask whichever organization forces you to use such a technology to (a) supply the form in an open technology if they're a government organization, or otherwise bound to EU rules, or
Not gonna happen. Linux? WTF is Linux?
Your computer doesn't work? Here, have some paper. Or buy a compliant computer. Not our problem. You caused the problem by using Linux.
Dave did say 'open source', not specifically Linux. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (16.6°C) http://www.hostsuisse.com/ - dedicated server rental in Switzerland. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 2018-08-30 01:54, Per Jessen wrote:
Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2018-08-29 16:54, Dave Howorth wrote:
On Wed, 29 Aug 2018 15:18:25 -0400 "Carlos E. R." <> wrote:
Try to render a form that uses javascript. AFAIK, there is no Linux free app that renders them. Some try, some refuse. Nothing can open "Livecycle Dynamic XFA forms" except acroread.
Ask whichever organization forces you to use such a technology to (a) supply the form in an open technology if they're a government organization, or otherwise bound to EU rules, or
Not gonna happen. Linux? WTF is Linux?
Your computer doesn't work? Here, have some paper. Or buy a compliant computer. Not our problem. You caused the problem by using Linux.
Dave did say 'open source', not specifically Linux.
On non Linux platforms there is no problem obtaining Adobe software. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from openSUSE 15.0 (Legolas)) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2018-08-30 01:54, Per Jessen wrote:
Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2018-08-29 16:54, Dave Howorth wrote:
On Wed, 29 Aug 2018 15:18:25 -0400 "Carlos E. R." <> wrote:
Try to render a form that uses javascript. AFAIK, there is no Linux free app that renders them. Some try, some refuse. Nothing can open "Livecycle Dynamic XFA forms" except acroread.
Ask whichever organization forces you to use such a technology to (a) supply the form in an open technology if they're a government organization, or otherwise bound to EU rules, or
Not gonna happen. Linux? WTF is Linux?
Your computer doesn't work? Here, have some paper. Or buy a compliant computer. Not our problem. You caused the problem by using Linux.
Dave did say 'open source', not specifically Linux.
On non Linux platforms there is no problem obtaining Adobe software.
The point still is - demand that e.g. the government uses open source, and whatever it is will most likely also eventually become available on Linux, but don't start out saying "Linux". -- Per Jessen, Zürich (17.4°C) http://www.cloudsuisse.com/ - your owncloud, hosted in Switzerland. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On Thu, 30 Aug 2018 20:01:39 +0200 Per Jessen <per@computer.org> wrote:
Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2018-08-30 01:54, Per Jessen wrote:
Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2018-08-29 16:54, Dave Howorth wrote:
On Wed, 29 Aug 2018 15:18:25 -0400 "Carlos E. R." <> wrote:
Try to render a form that uses javascript. AFAIK, there is no Linux free app that renders them. Some try, some refuse. Nothing can open "Livecycle Dynamic XFA forms" except acroread.
Ask whichever organization forces you to use such a technology to (a) supply the form in an open technology if they're a government organization, or otherwise bound to EU rules, or
Not gonna happen. Linux? WTF is Linux?
Your computer doesn't work? Here, have some paper. Or buy a compliant computer. Not our problem. You caused the problem by using Linux.
Dave did say 'open source', not specifically Linux.
On non Linux platforms there is no problem obtaining Adobe software.
The point still is - demand that e.g. the government uses open source, and whatever it is will most likely also eventually become available on Linux, but don't start out saying "Linux".
It's not 'open source' that matters, it's a non-proprietary document format, and that is what is mandated by EU law. That's why I wrote 'open technology'. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Le 30/08/2018 à 21:18, Dave Howorth a écrit :
It's not 'open source' that matters, it's a non-proprietary document format, and that is what is mandated by EU law. That's why I wrote 'open technology'.
what can we do when even the odf standard is published in pdf form? https://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/12572/OpenDocument-v1.0-o... jdd -- http://dodin.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On Thu, 30 Aug 2018 21:23:13 +0200 "jdd@dodin.org" <jdd@dodin.org> wrote:
Le 30/08/2018 à 21:18, Dave Howorth a écrit :
It's not 'open source' that matters, it's a non-proprietary document format, and that is what is mandated by EU law. That's why I wrote 'open technology'.
what can we do when even the odf standard is published in pdf form?
https://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/12572/OpenDocument-v1.0-o...
Mendacious describes that implication. The ODF standard is also published in a libre format <http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/12573/OpenDocument-v1.0-os.sxw> But the point is that PDF itself is also an open standard ISO 32000. It's not PDF itself that is problematic, it is deprecated extensions like XFA forms. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 08/30/2018 03:23 PM, jdd@dodin.org wrote:
Le 30/08/2018 à 21:18, Dave Howorth a écrit :
It's not 'open source' that matters, it's a non-proprietary document format, and that is what is mandated by EU law. That's why I wrote 'open technology'.
what can we do when even the odf standard is published in pdf form?
https://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/12572/OpenDocument-v1.0-o...
jdd
When trying to communicate to the blind, you need to print in braille. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Dave Howorth wrote:
It's not 'open source' that matters, it's a non-proprietary document format, and that is what is mandated by EU law. That's why I wrote 'open technology'.
Thanks, that is a good point. I misread your comment. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (15.6°C) http://www.hostsuisse.com/ - virtual servers, made in Switzerland. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 2018-08-30 14:01, Per Jessen wrote:
Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2018-08-30 01:54, Per Jessen wrote:
Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2018-08-29 16:54, Dave Howorth wrote:
On Wed, 29 Aug 2018 15:18:25 -0400 "Carlos E. R." <> wrote:
Try to render a form that uses javascript. AFAIK, there is no Linux free app that renders them. Some try, some refuse. Nothing can open "Livecycle Dynamic XFA forms" except acroread.
Ask whichever organization forces you to use such a technology to (a) supply the form in an open technology if they're a government organization, or otherwise bound to EU rules, or
Not gonna happen. Linux? WTF is Linux?
Your computer doesn't work? Here, have some paper. Or buy a compliant computer. Not our problem. You caused the problem by using Linux.
Dave did say 'open source', not specifically Linux.
On non Linux platforms there is no problem obtaining Adobe software.
The point still is - demand that e.g. the government uses open source, and whatever it is will most likely also eventually become available on Linux, but don't start out saying "Linux".
We don't make demands on government here, it is useless. It is possible that, with the current socialist government with push from far left they will lean towards opensource a bit. The right wing governments will never do it here. Instead, they will put wood rods into the wheels to make them stop. Things are like that. Didn't the city of Berlin turn against Linux? Well, they'll do the same thing whenever they can and worse. So, Linux can not handle some PDF forms? Fantastic! Let's use those forms. That's the way to go, people! More money to us. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from openSUSE 15.0 (Legolas)) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 08/30/2018 03:19 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2018-08-30 14:01, Per Jessen wrote:
Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2018-08-30 01:54, Per Jessen wrote:
Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2018-08-29 16:54, Dave Howorth wrote:
On Wed, 29 Aug 2018 15:18:25 -0400 "Carlos E. R." <> wrote:
> Try to render a form that uses javascript. AFAIK, there is no > Linux free app that renders them. Some try, some refuse. Nothing > can open "Livecycle Dynamic XFA forms" except acroread. Ask whichever organization forces you to use such a technology to (a) supply the form in an open technology if they're a government organization, or otherwise bound to EU rules, or Not gonna happen. Linux? WTF is Linux?
Your computer doesn't work? Here, have some paper. Or buy a compliant computer. Not our problem. You caused the problem by using Linux. Dave did say 'open source', not specifically Linux. On non Linux platforms there is no problem obtaining Adobe software. The point still is - demand that e.g. the government uses open source, and whatever it is will most likely also eventually become available on Linux, but don't start out saying "Linux". We don't make demands on government here, it is useless.
It is possible that, with the current socialist government with push from far left they will lean towards opensource a bit. The right wing governments will never do it here. Instead, they will put wood rods into the wheels to make them stop. Things are like that.
Didn't the city of Berlin turn against Linux? Well, they'll do the same thing whenever they can and worse. So, Linux can not handle some PDF forms? Fantastic! Let's use those forms. That's the way to go, people! More money to us.
Very interesting situation. The OP seems to be sitting in the eye of an international hurricane. I just read a couple articles about Berlin and Linux, and Munich and Linux. Both cities used Linux for some years, but found (BIg Surprise) their Linux systems couldn't work with proprietary-formatted files from other offices, sometimes from Federal offices. So in both cities Linux was out and M$ was back in. This non-portability/non-interoperability strategy is SOP (Standard Operating Procedure) in predatory capitalism, and not only in software and computer hardware. Our OP seems to be on the front line, indeed a "point man" in this battle. However, there's good news, at least for those in the EU: https://ec.europa.eu/info/departments/informatics/open-source-software-strat... -- which states in part:
For all future IT developments, the Commission shall promote the use of products that support recognised, well-documented and preferably open technical specifications that can be freely adopted, implemented and extended. Interoperability is a critical issue for the Commission, and use of well-established standards is a key factor to achieve it
This statement is unambiguous and comes from the European Commission. So while I would not disagree with Carlos, in this instance the government is rather enlightened and actually on the side of FOSS. So if I were the OP, I would email that link to the source person of the issue, explaining the software problem and how it arises from non-compliance with European Commission standards. If that doesn't have the desired effect, then I'd take the issue up the organizational chain, perhaps even phone an appropriate person at the EC for advice. Please let us know how this works out. Others here will likely encounter the same situation. Best, k. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 08/30/2018 05:34 PM, ken wrote:
This statement is unambiguous and comes from the European Commission. So while I would not disagree with Carlos, in this instance the government is rather enlightened and actually on the side of FOSS.
You may recall, a few years ago, how Microsoft rammed their new formats (DOCX etc.) through ISO, leaving it crippled in the process. Even their own apps don't comply with the ISO spec. This was all well documented on Groklaw. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 08/30/2018 05:40 PM, James Knott wrote:
On 08/30/2018 05:34 PM, ken wrote:
This statement is unambiguous and comes from the European Commission. So while I would not disagree with Carlos, in this instance the government is rather enlightened and actually on the side of FOSS. You may recall, a few years ago, how Microsoft rammed their new formats (DOCX etc.) through ISO, leaving it crippled in the process. Even their own apps don't comply with the ISO spec. This was all well documented on Groklaw.
All the more reason to proceed as I suggested. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 2018-08-30 17:34, ken wrote:
On 08/30/2018 03:19 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
...
This statement is unambiguous and comes from the European Commission. So while I would not disagree with Carlos, in this instance the government is rather enlightened and actually on the side of FOSS. So if I were the OP, I would email that link to the source person of the issue, explaining the software problem and how it arises from non-compliance with European Commission standards. If that doesn't have the desired effect, then I'd take the issue up the organizational chain, perhaps even phone an appropriate person at the EC for advice.
Please let us know how this works out. Others here will likely encounter the same situation.
The EU commission is not a government. What they say has to be implemented as state law; but they may ignore it, and then the commission may set a fine. This takes years. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from openSUSE 15.0 (Legolas)) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 08/29/2018 10:29 AM, Tom Kacvinsky wrote:
On Aug 29, 2018, at 13:20:57, Lew Wolfgang <wolfgang@sweet-haven.com> wrote:
On 08/29/2018 08:49 AM, Tom Kacvinsky wrote:
Hi,
On Aug 29, 2018, at 11:44, James Knott <james.knott@jknott.net> wrote:
Please put Adobe Reader back in, so that we have a PDF app ... There were reports that Adobe Reader has problems with Leap 15 due to its dependencies and what is provided by the system. I need to find the thread about this. I've had to use acroread because there are times when okular just can't render and print a pdf correctly. It looks like font issues of some sort.
Correction to my last: okular didn't have an issue with fonts, it was acroread. The class of pdf's that give us problems were created with Adobe LiveCycle Designer ES and okular complains about XFA forms being unsupported. Unfortunately, these pdf's containing XFA are created by a large organization and is part of their business practice, so we have to be able to grok them. If I can't get a Linux-based pdf package working we'll have to resort to running Windows 10 in VirtualBox. Note: due to other requirements we can't purchase software, except for Windows 10, so a Linux solution would have to be open-source. I know, but we have to play with the cards we're dealt. Are XFA forms Adobe proprietary? Regards, Lew -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 2018-08-29 16:09, Lew Wolfgang wrote:
On 08/29/2018 10:29 AM, Tom Kacvinsky wrote:
On Aug 29, 2018, at 13:20:57, Lew Wolfgang <wolfgang@sweet-haven.com> wrote:
On 08/29/2018 08:49 AM, Tom Kacvinsky wrote:
Hi,
On Aug 29, 2018, at 11:44, James Knott <james.knott@jknott.net> wrote:
Please put Adobe Reader back in, so that we have a PDF app ... There were reports that Adobe Reader has problems with Leap 15 due to its dependencies and what is provided by the system. I need to find the thread about this. I've had to use acroread because there are times when okular just can't render and print a pdf correctly. It looks like font issues of some sort.
Correction to my last: okular didn't have an issue with fonts, it was acroread.
The class of pdf's that give us problems were created with Adobe LiveCycle Designer ES and okular complains about XFA forms being unsupported. Unfortunately, these pdf's containing XFA are created by a large organization and is part of their business practice, so we have to be able to grok them.
Same here.
If I can't get a Linux-based pdf package working we'll have to resort to running Windows 10 in VirtualBox. Note: due to other requirements we can't purchase software, except for Windows 10, so a Linux solution would have to be open-source. I know, but we have to play with the cards we're dealt. Are XFA forms Adobe proprietary?
There are other proprietary PDF viewers out there; the licenses typically allow personal usage. One is foxit, the other pdfstudioviewer. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from openSUSE 15.0 (Legolas)) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Lew Wolfgang wrote:
On 08/29/2018 08:49 AM, Tom Kacvinsky wrote:
Hi,
On Aug 29, 2018, at 11:44, James Knott <james.knott@jknott.net> wrote:
Please put Adobe Reader back in, so that we have a PDF app ... There were reports that Adobe Reader has problems with Leap 15 due to its dependencies and what is provided by the system. I need to find the thread about this.
I've had to use acroread because there are times when okular just can't render and print a pdf correctly. It looks like font issues of some sort.
Apart from the font issue, +1. Printing PDFs from Okular has long been an issue and still is. (in my business). I don't think it is anything major, some times it is simply solved by going back to an older Okular (on an older openSUSE). -- Per Jessen, Zürich (16.8°C) http://www.hostsuisse.com/ - dedicated server rental in Switzerland. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 08/29/2018 11:43 AM, James Knott wrote:
With Adobe, it had no problem automatically selecting the folder where I wanted to save the file. Why isn't there something as simple as a home directory button, so I don't have to go through all that nonsense?
I just counted, it took 7 clicks to get to the directory where I wanted to save the file, the same directory that Adobe would open immediately. It doesn't even remember the last directory I saved to. I have to go through all that nonsense each and every time I save the file. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On Wed, 29 Aug 2018 11:52:16 -0400 James Knott <james.knott@jknott.net> wrote:
On 08/29/2018 11:43 AM, James Knott wrote:
With Adobe, it had no problem automatically selecting the folder where I wanted to save the file. Why isn't there something as simple as a home directory button, so I don't have to go through all that nonsense?
I just counted, it took 7 clicks to get to the directory where I wanted to save the file, the same directory that Adobe would open immediately. It doesn't even remember the last directory I saved to. I have to go through all that nonsense each and every time I save the file.
atril remembers the previous directory. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Le 29/08/2018 à 17:52, James Knott a écrit :
I just counted, it took 7 clicks to get to the directory where I wanted to save the file, the same directory that Adobe would open immediately. It doesn't even remember the last directory I saved to. I have to go through all that nonsense each and every time I save the file.
I agree acroread is necessary, let only for forms but for your folder problem I think it's because you open the file from the web with ocular, so it's located in /tmp save the file where you want first and open it there as I do jdd -- http://dodin.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 08/29/2018 01:34 PM, jdd@dodin.org wrote:
save the file where you want first and open it there as I do
I have always opened the file from a browser and then renamed as I saved from Adobe. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 08/29/2018 01:34 PM, jdd@dodin.org wrote:
save the file where you want first and open it there as I do
- can LibreOffice handle any of stuff required ? ........ regards -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 2018-08-29 13:37, James Knott wrote:
On 08/29/2018 01:34 PM, jdd@dodin.org wrote:
save the file where you want first and open it there as I do
I have always opened the file from a browser and then renamed as I saved from Adobe.
Change procedure :-) Save file from the browser instead of open, display folder with filemanager of your choice, perhaps move to another directory, open with any tool :-) -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from openSUSE 15.0 (Legolas)) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 08/29/2018 03:21 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
Change procedure :-)
These are bills with a longer name than I want. I open them in the reader, select save as and then save with the name I want. What can be simpler? Worked very well in Adobe Reader. In fact, when I save the file, I click on the previous month's file and just change the name as appropriate. For example, I'd click on the July bill, with the name 2018_07 and then change the last digit to 8 and then save to the name 2018_08. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 08/29/2018 03:21 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
Change procedure :-)
These are bills with a longer name than I want. I open them in the reader, select save as and then save with the name I want. What can be simpler? Worked very well in Adobe Reader. In fact, when I save the file, I click on the previous month's file and just change the name as appropriate. For example, I'd click on the July bill, with the name 2018_07 and then change the last digit to 8 and then save to the name 2018_08. OK, the harsh way: Forget about Adobe Reader. They were clear: no maintenance,
Op woensdag 29 augustus 2018 21:30:40 CEST schreef James Knott: their product for linux is dead. Everything done now to keep it alive somehow is going to be more and more problematic. @Carlos: complain at the Spanish Government f.e. They are lacking in supporting EU rules, that require governments to make any docs needed accessible to anybody, no matter what OS. Anyway, this definitely is not an openSUSE problem, the project has no way to change this, unless Adobe open sources the code, which is, given their statements in the past, not going to happen -- Gertjan Lettink a.k.a. Knurpht openSUSE Board Member openSUSE Forums Team -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 2018-08-29 15:44, Knurpht-openSUSE wrote:
On 08/29/2018 03:21 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
Change procedure :-)
These are bills with a longer name than I want. I open them in the reader, select save as and then save with the name I want. What can be simpler? Worked very well in Adobe Reader. In fact, when I save the file, I click on the previous month's file and just change the name as appropriate. For example, I'd click on the July bill, with the name 2018_07 and then change the last digit to 8 and then save to the name 2018_08. OK, the harsh way: Forget about Adobe Reader. They were clear: no maintenance,
Op woensdag 29 augustus 2018 21:30:40 CEST schreef James Knott: their product for linux is dead. Everything done now to keep it alive somehow is going to be more and more problematic.
Whatever. Acroread is the only compliant pdf reader.
@Carlos: complain at the Spanish Government f.e. They are lacking in supporting EU rules, that require governments to make any docs needed accessible to anybody, no matter what OS.
It is not only Spain: ask jdd, for instance. He provided document samples that do not open properly. As far as I know, Adobe defines the standard, the rest have to follow and create equivalent tools. As far as governments are concerned, PDF is open and a standard. If Okular doesn't work, just use Acrobat as we tell you, not half cooked substitutes done by amateurs (not my words).
Anyway, this definitely is not an openSUSE problem, the project has no way to change this, unless Adobe open sources the code, which is, given their statements in the past, not going to happen
The Linux devs can get together and develop a proper PDF reader that really works. There are other proprietary solutions out there that almost work. Why can't Linux devs create one? Signatures and Forms are the two main fields I know that fail. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from openSUSE 15.0 (Legolas)) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Le 29/08/2018 à 22:10, Carlos E. R. a écrit :
It is not only Spain: ask jdd, for instance. He provided document samples that do not open properly.
yes
As far as I know, Adobe defines the standard, the rest have to follow and create equivalent tools.
true, alas
The Linux devs can get together and develop a proper PDF reader that really works. There are other proprietary solutions out there that almost work. Why can't Linux devs create one?
Signatures and Forms are the two main fields I know that fail.
almost solution could be wine or play on linux with windows acroread version, but the links on this page are dead thanks jdd -- http://dodin.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Le 29/08/2018 à 23:13, jdd@dodin.org a écrit :
almost solution could be wine or play on linux with windows acroread version, but the links on this page are dead
https://www.playonlinux.com/fr/app-2653-Adobe_Acrobat_Reader_DC.html sorry
jdd
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Le 29/08/2018 à 23:15, jdd@dodin.org a écrit :
Le 29/08/2018 à 23:13, jdd@dodin.org a écrit :
almost solution could be wine or play on linux with windows acroread
wel, it works: install from yast playon linux launch playon linux and search for acroread, install install lot of things, then acroread (windows, patched), works probably best way jdd -- http://dodin.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 2018-08-29 17:31, jdd@dodin.org wrote:
Le 29/08/2018 à 23:15, jdd@dodin.org a écrit :
Le 29/08/2018 à 23:13, jdd@dodin.org a écrit :
almost solution could be wine or play on linux with windows acroread
wel, it works:
install from yast playon linux
launch playon linux and search for acroread, install
install lot of things, then acroread (windows, patched), works
Thanks for the info, I must try one day. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from openSUSE 15.0 (Legolas)) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 29/08/18 21:30, James Knott wrote:
On 08/29/2018 03:21 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
Change procedure :-)
These are bills with a longer name than I want. I open them in the reader, select save as and then save with the name I want. What can be simpler? Worked very well in Adobe Reader. In fact, when I save the file, I click on the previous month's file and just change the name as appropriate. For example, I'd click on the July bill, with the name 2018_07 and then change the last digit to 8 and then save to the name 2018_08.
Putting aside the various other capabilities of Adobe Reader and/or other PDF software, I think this is a lot of fuss about nothing. I use Okular every day for viewing documents via Firefox, opened from Thunderbird or from a local drive. This issue of the default folder location comes up when saving a document in the browser or email client because indeed the directory it has been opened from is probably /tmp. I would suspect you're not using Plasma and so not benefiting from all the components that aid desktop integration. If you are, however, you must have a strange setup changed from the defaults. In a Plasma session, upon saving you should be presented with the standard Plasma file open/save dialog, containing the default system 'Places' down the left-hand side. AFAIK these are pulled from the Places you define within either Dolphin or another KDE app. On any standard install this ought to include your user Home directory at the top of the list. If you're seeing the Places but not a useful directory like Home to navigate to, you can add this by right-clicking in the Places pane and going to 'Add entry'. If you're getting the standard Plasma dialog but not seeing the Places pane, perhaps you've rendered it hidden. And if you're seeing some other dialog, presumably you're not running on Plasma. If I open a PDF or other compatible file from any directory on my system, Okular conforms to norms in using that directory as the default when I go to Save As... gumb -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 2018-08-29 15:30, James Knott wrote:
On 08/29/2018 03:21 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
Change procedure :-)
These are bills with a longer name than I want. I open them in the reader, select save as and then save with the name I want. What can be simpler? Worked very well in Adobe Reader. In fact, when I save the file, I click on the previous month's file and just change the name as appropriate. For example, I'd click on the July bill, with the name 2018_07 and then change the last digit to 8 and then save to the name 2018_08.
I save in the original name, which typically is the contract number plus the invoice number, or similar combo. Sometimes not, it is random garbage. Anyway, I change the name in the filebrowser before moving to correct destination (different folder for each utility). With some utilities, the filename created on view is not the correct one, but a random name. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from openSUSE 15.0 (Legolas)) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 30/08/18 01:52, James Knott wrote:
With Adobe, it had no problem automatically selecting the folder where I wanted to save the file. Why isn't there something as simple as a home directory button, so I don't have to go through all that nonsense? I just counted, it took 7 clicks to get to the directory where I wanted to save the file, the same directory that Adobe would open immediately. It doesn't even remember the last directory I saved to. I have to go
On 08/29/2018 11:43 AM, James Knott wrote: through all that nonsense each and every time I save the file.
I've read this thread to this point and am puzzled by why in your case Okular does not remember where it last saved a *.pdf file because this does not happen here: Okular never forgets the location of where it last saved a file. I don't have the solution -- just puzzled :-). System: Leap 15.0; KDE; Okular version 17.12.3; Nvidia GTX 1060/6GB GPU; kernel 4.18.5-1. BC -- "Truth isn't truth." Rudy Guiliani, Donald Trump's lawyer, 20 August 2018 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Since switching to Leap 15.0, I have been forced to use Okular, as Adobe Reader no longer works. Is it possible to please PLEASE put it back in there? I find Okular is a very poor replacement for Adobe. For example, I often get some bills online, open them and then save. While I can open them, saving them is a real pain, compared to Adobe. For example, when I select Save as, it wants to put the file in some directory that has nothing to do with where I save documents. I can only assume it's a directory for temp files. There isn't even an easy selection for my home directory. I have to click on a button to take me to /, where I then have to select home, then my ID and only then, am I anywhere near where I want to save the file. With Adobe, it had no problem automatically selecting the folder where I wanted to save the file. Why isn't there something as simple as a home directory button, so I don't have to go through all that nonsense?
Please put Adobe Reader back in, so that we have a PDF app that works properly!!! For the saving: navigate to the folder where you save your bills, drag the folder to the Places sidebar. It will be visible in the Save As dialog. AFAIK it's been a long time that Reader was in the repos, since it's
Op woensdag 29 augustus 2018 17:43:32 CEST schreef James Knott: proprietary and closed source. If a downloaded Adobe Reader doesn't work anymore, there's nothing we can do AFAIK, we have no influence on how Adobe does their stuff. FWIW, I've had the saving issue years ago and solved it the way I described. Satisfied Okular user since then -- Gertjan Lettink a.k.a. Knurpht openSUSE Board Member openSUSE Forums Team -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 08/29/2018 11:52 AM, Knurpht-openSUSE wrote:
For the saving: navigate to the folder where you save your bills, drag the folder to the Places sidebar. It will be visible in the Save As dialog.
I wasn't aware of that function. I'll have to see how it goes. tnx
AFAIK it's been a long time that Reader was in the repos, since it's proprietary and closed source.
That may be, but this is not the only way I've found Okular to be inferior. If it's just a matter of dependencies that were in previous versions of openSUSE, then why not make them available again? I fully understand that I wouldn't have all the latest and greatest from Adobe, but I'd have a PDF reader that works much better than Okular. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
James Knott wrote:
Since switching to Leap 15.0, I have been forced to use Okular, as Adobe Reader no longer works. Is it possible to please PLEASE put it back in there? I find Okular is a very poor replacement for Adobe.
Yeah, it's not quite there yet. [snip]
Please put Adobe Reader back in, so that we have a PDF app that works properly!!!
If you search the archive, just for last 3-4 months, I am pretty certain someone posted exact steps for getting Adobe Reader to work on Leap15. The most recent version from Adobe still works, but it is a 32bit application and I think the key issue is that the rpm does not automatically pull in the right packages. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (19.4°C) http://www.hostsuisse.com/ - virtual servers, made in Switzerland. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 08/29/2018 12:02 PM, Per Jessen wrote:
If you search the archive, just for last 3-4 months, I am pretty certain someone posted exact steps for getting Adobe Reader to work on Leap15. The most recent version from Adobe still works, but it is a 32bit application and I think the key issue is that the rpm does not automatically pull in the right packages.
Perhaps someone more knowledgeable that I could put together a new RPM. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Op woensdag 29 augustus 2018 18:04:55 CEST schreef James Knott:
On 08/29/2018 12:02 PM, Per Jessen wrote:
If you search the archive, just for last 3-4 months, I am pretty certain someone posted exact steps for getting Adobe Reader to work on Leap15. The most recent version from Adobe still works, but it is a 32bit application and I think the key issue is that the rpm does not automatically pull in the right packages.
Perhaps someone more knowledgeable that I could put together a new RPM. Not for openSUSE, we can't for legal reasons.
But..... a docker container may be a solution for you: https://hub.docker.com/r/mgor/acroread/ -- Gertjan Lettink a.k.a. Knurpht openSUSE Board Member openSUSE Forums Team -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Op woensdag 29 augustus 2018 18:20:08 CEST schreef Knurpht-openSUSE:
Op woensdag 29 augustus 2018 18:04:55 CEST schreef James Knott:
On 08/29/2018 12:02 PM, Per Jessen wrote:
If you search the archive, just for last 3-4 months, I am pretty certain someone posted exact steps for getting Adobe Reader to work on Leap15. The most recent version from Adobe still works, but it is a 32bit application and I think the key issue is that the rpm does not automatically pull in the right packages.
Perhaps someone more knowledgeable that I could put together a new RPM.
Not for openSUSE, we can't for legal reasons.
But..... a docker container may be a solution for you: https://hub.docker.com/r/mgor/acroread/ Here's another one, with more complete instructions. Prerequisites are docker installed, dockerd,service enabled and started git clone https://github.com/chrisdaish/docker-acroread cd docker-acroread Launch the start-acroread.sh shell script.
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On 2018-08-29 12:04, James Knott wrote:
On 08/29/2018 12:02 PM, Per Jessen wrote:
If you search the archive, just for last 3-4 months, I am pretty certain someone posted exact steps for getting Adobe Reader to work on Leap15. The most recent version from Adobe still works, but it is a 32bit application and I think the key issue is that the rpm does not automatically pull in the right packages.
Perhaps someone more knowledgeable that I could put together a new RPM.
There is a home repo or two that have the correct rpm, but you still need some libraries from Leap 42. Just find and read that other thread, it is all there and I don't recall exact details. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from openSUSE 15.0 (Legolas)) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
James Knott wrote:
On 08/29/2018 12:02 PM, Per Jessen wrote:
If you search the archive, just for last 3-4 months, I am pretty certain someone posted exact steps for getting Adobe Reader to work on Leap15. The most recent version from Adobe still works, but it is a 32bit application and I think the key issue is that the rpm does not automatically pull in the right packages.
Perhaps someone more knowledgeable that I could put together a new RPM.
Try software.o.o and search for acroread. There is a package for Leap15. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (18.9°C) http://www.dns24.ch/ - your free DNS host, made in Switzerland. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 2018-08-29 12:02, Per Jessen wrote:
James Knott wrote:
Since switching to Leap 15.0, I have been forced to use Okular, as Adobe Reader no longer works. Is it possible to please PLEASE put it back in there? I find Okular is a very poor replacement for Adobe.
Yeah, it's not quite there yet.
[snip]
Please put Adobe Reader back in, so that we have a PDF app that works properly!!!
If you search the archive, just for last 3-4 months, I am pretty certain someone posted exact steps for getting Adobe Reader to work on Leap15. The most recent version from Adobe still works, but it is a 32bit application and I think the key issue is that the rpm does not automatically pull in the right packages.
Not even that "easy". It needs older versions of those packages, so those libraries, obtained from an older openSUSE, have to be installed in a directory that acroread sees but the rest of the Linux system ignores. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from openSUSE 15.0 (Legolas)) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 08/29/2018 10:43 AM, James Knott wrote:
Since switching to Leap 15.0, I have been forced to use Okular, as Adobe Reader no longer works. Is it possible to please PLEASE put it back in there? I find Okular is a very poor replacement for Adobe. For example, I often get some bills online, open them and then save. While I can open them, saving them is a real pain, compared to Adobe. For example, when I select Save as, it wants to put the file in some directory that has nothing to do with where I save documents. I can only assume it's a directory for temp files. There isn't even an easy selection for my home directory. I have to click on a button to take me to /, where I then have to select home, then my ID and only then, am I anywhere near where I want to save the file. With Adobe, it had no problem automatically selecting the folder where I wanted to save the file. Why isn't there something as simple as a home directory button, so I don't have to go through all that nonsense?
Please put Adobe Reader back in, so that we have a PDF app that works properly!!!
This is what happens when the new toolkit goes from "this is going to make all our applications so much better, everything will work seamlessly!" -- to -- "just get it to compile and let's get a release pushed out..." (same song, second verse, or, version 2 -- however you like to think of it) -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Op woensdag 29 augustus 2018 18:58:15 CEST schreef David C. Rankin:
On 08/29/2018 10:43 AM, James Knott wrote:
Since switching to Leap 15.0, I have been forced to use Okular, as Adobe Reader no longer works. Is it possible to please PLEASE put it back in there? I find Okular is a very poor replacement for Adobe. For example, I often get some bills online, open them and then save. While I can open them, saving them is a real pain, compared to Adobe. For example, when I select Save as, it wants to put the file in some directory that has nothing to do with where I save documents. I can only assume it's a directory for temp files. There isn't even an easy selection for my home directory. I have to click on a button to take me to /, where I then have to select home, then my ID and only then, am I anywhere near where I want to save the file. With Adobe, it had no problem automatically selecting the folder where I wanted to save the file. Why isn't there something as simple as a home directory button, so I don't have to go through all that nonsense?
Please put Adobe Reader back in, so that we have a PDF app that works properly!!!
This is what happens when the new toolkit goes from "this is going to make all our applications so much better, everything will work seamlessly!" -- to -- "just get it to compile and let's get a release pushed out..."
(same song, second verse, or, version 2 -- however you like to think of it) This has nothing to do with this issue. We're talking about a program that has not been maintained by it's maintainers. A path that will always lead to a non-working situation. openSUSE devs/packagers cannot be blamed for such.
-- Gertjan Lettink a.k.a. Knurpht openSUSE Board Member openSUSE Forums Team -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Am 29.08.18 um 17:43 schrieb James Knott:
anywhere near where I want to save the file. With Adobe, it had no problem automatically selecting the folder where I wanted to save the file. Why isn't there something as simple as a home directory button, so I don't have to go through all that nonsense?
Please put Adobe Reader back in, so that we have a PDF app that works properly!!!
try using master pdf editor: https://code-industry.net/free-pdf-editor/#get or foxit reader: https://www.foxitsoftware.com/de/pdf-reader/ i almost daily use master pdf editor and didn't find a single feature, adobe reader had, which master pdf editor hadn't. just give it a try. -- Best Regards | Freundliche Grüße | Cordialement | Cordiali Saluti | Atenciosamente | Saludos Cordiales *DI Rainer Klier* DevOps, Research & Development -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 08/29/2018 12:01 PM, Rainer Klier wrote:
Am 29.08.18 um 17:43 schrieb James Knott:
anywhere near where I want to save the file. With Adobe, it had no problem automatically selecting the folder where I wanted to save the file. Why isn't there something as simple as a home directory button, so I don't have to go through all that nonsense?
Please put Adobe Reader back in, so that we have a PDF app that works properly!!!
try using master pdf editor: https://code-industry.net/free-pdf-editor/#get
or foxit reader: https://www.foxitsoftware.com/de/pdf-reader/
i almost daily use master pdf editor and didn't find a single feature, adobe reader had, which master pdf editor hadn't.
just give it a try.
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Am 29.08.18 um 19:12 schrieb David C. Rankin:
On 08/29/2018 12:01 PM, Rainer Klier wrote:
Am 29.08.18 um 17:43 schrieb James Knott:
anywhere near where I want to save the file. With Adobe, it had no problem automatically selecting the folder where I wanted to save the file. Why isn't there something as simple as a home directory button, so I don't have to go through all that nonsense?
Please put Adobe Reader back in, so that we have a PDF app that works properly!!!
try using master pdf editor: https://code-industry.net/free-pdf-editor/#get
or foxit reader: https://www.foxitsoftware.com/de/pdf-reader/
i almost daily use master pdf editor and didn't find a single feature, adobe reader had, which master pdf editor hadn't.
just give it a try.
Are you kidding:
license.txt
WHERE IS THE SOURCE? (oh, it's not open-source, then it doesn't belong)
but adobe reader is not better in this area. and the original poster asked about to re-enable abdobe reader for current openSUSE. so, this would be a replacement for it. none of these (also not adobe reader, which the original poster wants back) are open source. -- Best Regards | Freundliche Grüße | Cordialement | Cordiali Saluti | Atenciosamente | Saludos Cordiales *DI Rainer Klier* DevOps, Research & Development -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 2018-08-29 13:01, Rainer Klier wrote:
Am 29.08.18 um 17:43 schrieb James Knott:
anywhere near where I want to save the file. With Adobe, it had no problem automatically selecting the folder where I wanted to save the file. Why isn't there something as simple as a home directory button, so I don't have to go through all that nonsense?
Please put Adobe Reader back in, so that we have a PDF app that works properly!!!
try using master pdf editor: https://code-industry.net/free-pdf-editor/#get
or foxit reader: https://www.foxitsoftware.com/de/pdf-reader/
Foxit can not verify signatures.
i almost daily use master pdf editor and didn't find a single feature, adobe reader had, which master pdf editor hadn't.
It is Java and comes with its own JRE. Thus bigger size. It does not work with some forms that use javascript. From my "report": It loads *some* forms correctly, but not vide-cerfa_13754-02.pdf. First issue is that the form uses javascript, gives a security warning in the reader. If accepted then gives an error: "Unable to open document as it is a Livecycle Dynamic XFA form". Thread: Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2018 20:44:19 -0400 From: James Knott <> To: SUSE Linux <opensuse@opensuse.org> Subject: [opensuse] Adobe Reader no longer works - 15.0 -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from openSUSE 15.0 (Legolas)) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 08/29/2018 12:11 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2018-08-29 13:01, Rainer Klier wrote:
Am 29.08.18 um 17:43 schrieb James Knott:
anywhere near where I want to save the file. With Adobe, it had no problem automatically selecting the folder where I wanted to save the file. Why isn't there something as simple as a home directory button, so I don't have to go through all that nonsense?
Please put Adobe Reader back in, so that we have a PDF app that works properly!!!
try using master pdf editor: https://code-industry.net/free-pdf-editor/#get
or foxit reader: https://www.foxitsoftware.com/de/pdf-reader/
Foxit can not verify signatures.
i almost daily use master pdf editor and didn't find a single feature, adobe reader had, which master pdf editor hadn't.
It is Java and comes with its own JRE. Thus bigger size.
It does not work with some forms that use javascript. From my "report":
It loads *some* forms correctly, but not vide-cerfa_13754-02.pdf. First issue is that the form uses javascript, gives a security warning in the reader. If accepted then gives an error: "Unable to open document as it is a Livecycle Dynamic XFA form".
Thread:
Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2018 20:44:19 -0400 From: James Knott <> To: SUSE Linux <opensuse@opensuse.org> Subject: [opensuse] Adobe Reader no longer works - 15.0
There was a thread started 06/04/2018 entitled "Adobe Reader no longer works - 15.0". On 06/27/2018 Per Jensen referenced a post by Joerg Kühne described his solution to this problem. He does not post to this list so it was not seen here. There is a response 0n 06/28/2018 by7 Catlos" I just got acroread running in 15.0. You need to install the 32 bit patterns, and you need to copy some /usr/lib libraries from 42.3 into /usr/lib/Adobe/Reader9/Reader/intellinux/lib. I personally copied from the 42.3 system: 42.3/usr/lib/libpcre.so.1* /usr/lib/Adobe/Reader9/Reader/intellinux/lib 42.3/usr/lib/libxcb.so.* /usr/lib/Adobe/Reader9/Reader/intellinux/lib Set LD_LIBRARY_PATH so that it now reads /usr/lib/Adobe/Reader9/intellinux/lib. This worked for me, but I gave up on 15 a while back with other problems so have not tried it recently. I wish people would not keep fixing things! Don -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 08/29/2018 12:11 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2018-08-29 13:01, Rainer Klier wrote:
Am 29.08.18 um 17:43 schrieb James Knott:
anywhere near where I want to save the file. With Adobe, it had no problem automatically selecting the folder where I wanted to save the file. Why isn't there something as simple as a home directory button, so I don't have to go through all that nonsense?
Please put Adobe Reader back in, so that we have a PDF app that works properly!!!
try using master pdf editor: https://code-industry.net/free-pdf-editor/#get
or foxit reader: https://www.foxitsoftware.com/de/pdf-reader/
Foxit can not verify signatures.
i almost daily use master pdf editor and didn't find a single feature, adobe reader had, which master pdf editor hadn't.
It is Java and comes with its own JRE. Thus bigger size.
It does not work with some forms that use javascript. From my "report":
It loads *some* forms correctly, but not vide-cerfa_13754-02.pdf. First issue is that the form uses javascript, gives a security warning in the reader. If accepted then gives an error: "Unable to open document as it is a Livecycle Dynamic XFA form".
Thread:
Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2018 20:44:19 -0400 From: James Knott <> To: SUSE Linux <opensuse@opensuse.org> Subject: [opensuse] Adobe Reader no longer works - 15.0
There was a thread started 06/04/2018 entitled "Adobe Reader no longer works - 15.0". On 06/27/2018 Per Jensen referenced a post by Joerg Kühne described his solution to this problem. He does not post to this list so it was not seen here. There is a response 0n 06/28/2018 by7 Catlos"
I just got acroread running in 15.0. You need to install the 32 bit patterns, and you need to copy some /usr/lib libraries from 42.3 into /usr/lib/Adobe/Reader9/Reader/intellinux/lib.
I personally copied from the 42.3 system:
42.3/usr/lib/libpcre.so.1* /usr/lib/Adobe/Reader9/Reader/intellinux/lib 42.3/usr/lib/libxcb.so.* /usr/lib/Adobe/Reader9/Reader/intellinux/lib
Set LD_LIBRARY_PATH so that it now reads /usr/lib/Adobe/Reader9/intellinux/lib.
This worked for me, but I gave up on 15 a while back with other problems so have not tried it recently. I wish people would not keep fixing things!
Don Please direct your comments to Adobe. They were the ones to decide Reader for
Op donderdag 30 augustus 2018 00:11:53 CEST schreef don fisher: linux was dead. Since it's closed source, how could openSUSE do something about that. @All: Why here? To have openSUSE fix all security holes and then run Reader, which is a siff when concerning security. In Reader it's possible to enclose code in a PDF and execute it. Is that what we're waiting for? Please, please, please bother Adobe, your government and so on. Would I declare my taxes through Reader? No, I'd rather use a ballpoint and printed form. Even Spanish jurisdiction should allow me, according to EU rules. -- Gertjan Lettink a.k.a. Knurpht openSUSE Board Member openSUSE Forums Team -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 08/29/2018 03:42 PM, Knurpht-openSUSE wrote:
On 08/29/2018 12:11 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2018-08-29 13:01, Rainer Klier wrote:
Am 29.08.18 um 17:43 schrieb James Knott:
anywhere near where I want to save the file. With Adobe, it had no problem automatically selecting the folder where I wanted to save the file. Why isn't there something as simple as a home directory button, so I don't have to go through all that nonsense?
Please put Adobe Reader back in, so that we have a PDF app that works properly!!!
try using master pdf editor: https://code-industry.net/free-pdf-editor/#get
or foxit reader: https://www.foxitsoftware.com/de/pdf-reader/
Foxit can not verify signatures.
i almost daily use master pdf editor and didn't find a single feature, adobe reader had, which master pdf editor hadn't.
It is Java and comes with its own JRE. Thus bigger size.
It does not work with some forms that use javascript. From my "report":
It loads *some* forms correctly, but not vide-cerfa_13754-02.pdf. First issue is that the form uses javascript, gives a security warning in the reader. If accepted then gives an error: "Unable to open document as it is a Livecycle Dynamic XFA form".
Thread:
Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2018 20:44:19 -0400 From: James Knott <> To: SUSE Linux <opensuse@opensuse.org> Subject: [opensuse] Adobe Reader no longer works - 15.0
There was a thread started 06/04/2018 entitled "Adobe Reader no longer works - 15.0". On 06/27/2018 Per Jensen referenced a post by Joerg Kühne described his solution to this problem. He does not post to this list so it was not seen here. There is a response 0n 06/28/2018 by7 Catlos"
I just got acroread running in 15.0. You need to install the 32 bit patterns, and you need to copy some /usr/lib libraries from 42.3 into /usr/lib/Adobe/Reader9/Reader/intellinux/lib.
I personally copied from the 42.3 system:
42.3/usr/lib/libpcre.so.1* /usr/lib/Adobe/Reader9/Reader/intellinux/lib 42.3/usr/lib/libxcb.so.* /usr/lib/Adobe/Reader9/Reader/intellinux/lib
Set LD_LIBRARY_PATH so that it now reads /usr/lib/Adobe/Reader9/intellinux/lib.
This worked for me, but I gave up on 15 a while back with other problems so have not tried it recently. I wish people would not keep fixing things!
Don Please direct your comments to Adobe. They were the ones to decide Reader for
Op donderdag 30 augustus 2018 00:11:53 CEST schreef don fisher: linux was dead. Since it's closed source, how could openSUSE do something about that. @All: Why here? To have openSUSE fix all security holes and then run Reader, which is a siff when concerning security. In Reader it's possible to enclose code in a PDF and execute it. Is that what we're waiting for? Please, please, please bother Adobe, your government and so on. Would I declare my taxes through Reader? No, I'd rather use a ballpoint and printed form. Even Spanish jurisdiction should allow me, according to EU rules.
No matter how simple my reply I always get blasted. Does my name equate to 666 is some way? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
don fisher wrote:
No matter how simple my reply I always get blasted. Does my name equate to 666 is some way?
:-) Maybe you just stuck your head out at the wrong time? Nothing wrong with your posting, Don. Nice success report, accompanied by clear instructions on how to reproduce. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (16.9°C) http://www.dns24.ch/ - your free DNS host, made in Switzerland. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Knurpht-openSUSE wrote:
Op donderdag 30 augustus 2018 00:11:53 CEST schreef don fisher:
On 08/29/2018 12:11 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2018-08-29 13:01, Rainer Klier wrote:
Am 29.08.18 um 17:43 schrieb James Knott:
anywhere near where I want to save the file. With Adobe, it had no problem automatically selecting the folder where I wanted to save the file. Why isn't there something as simple as a home directory button, so I don't have to go through all that nonsense?
Please put Adobe Reader back in, so that we have a PDF app that works properly!!!
try using master pdf editor: https://code-industry.net/free-pdf-editor/#get
or foxit reader: https://www.foxitsoftware.com/de/pdf-reader/
Foxit can not verify signatures.
i almost daily use master pdf editor and didn't find a single feature, adobe reader had, which master pdf editor hadn't.
It is Java and comes with its own JRE. Thus bigger size.
It does not work with some forms that use javascript. From my "report":
It loads *some* forms correctly, but not vide-cerfa_13754-02.pdf. First issue is that the form uses javascript, gives a security warning in the reader. If accepted then gives an error: "Unable to open document as it is a Livecycle Dynamic XFA form".
Thread:
Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2018 20:44:19 -0400 From: James Knott <> To: SUSE Linux <opensuse@opensuse.org> Subject: [opensuse] Adobe Reader no longer works - 15.0
There was a thread started 06/04/2018 entitled "Adobe Reader no longer works - 15.0". On 06/27/2018 Per Jensen referenced a post by Joerg Kühne described his solution to this problem. He does not post to this list so it was not seen here. There is a response 0n 06/28/2018 by7 Catlos"
I just got acroread running in 15.0. You need to install the 32 bit patterns, and you need to copy some /usr/lib libraries from 42.3 into /usr/lib/Adobe/Reader9/Reader/intellinux/lib.
I personally copied from the 42.3 system:
42.3/usr/lib/libpcre.so.1* /usr/lib/Adobe/Reader9/Reader/intellinux/lib 42.3/usr/lib/libxcb.so.* /usr/lib/Adobe/Reader9/Reader/intellinux/lib
Set LD_LIBRARY_PATH so that it now reads /usr/lib/Adobe/Reader9/intellinux/lib.
This worked for me, but I gave up on 15 a while back with other problems so have not tried it recently. I wish people would not keep fixing things!
Don Please direct your comments to Adobe. They were the ones to decide Reader for linux was dead. Since it's closed source, how could openSUSE do something about that. @All: Why here?
Because our users have a sense of openSUSE being able to help them with little petty things, such as reading PDFs. Sure, it does get a little tiresome when the question turns up for the umpteenth time, but that just means 1) it is important to people 2) we neglected to write a decent support page explaining how it's done.
To have openSUSE fix all security holes and then run Reader, which is a siff when concerning security.
The choice is lack of security vs lack of functionality. I think the users have made their choice clear. In my business, we're managing with Okular, although printing issues have meant reverting to Acrobat every so often. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (16.8°C) http://www.dns24.ch/ - free dynamic DNS, made in Switzerland. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 2018-08-29 18:42, Knurpht-openSUSE wrote:
Op donderdag 30 augustus 2018 00:11:53 CEST schreef don fisher:
Please direct your comments to Adobe. They were the ones to decide Reader for linux was dead. Since it's closed source, how could openSUSE do something about that. @All: Why here? To have openSUSE fix all security holes and then run Reader, which is a siff when concerning security. In Reader it's possible to enclose code in a PDF and execute it. Is that what we're waiting for? Please, please, please bother Adobe, your government and so on. Would I declare my taxes through Reader? No, I'd rather use a ballpoint and printed form. Even Spanish jurisdiction should allow me, according to EU rules.
Having PDFs with javascript code is not much different from browsing web pages that run javascript code, and most of them do. Rather, the browsers take care of handling javascript securely. I would rather use an open source Linux PDF reader with javascript support than use Adobe's. The code may do things like calculate results and fill fields, or verify that the selections made in the form are consistent and the form will not be rejected after submission. The alternative, which Spanish income tax system uses, is that we now can only fill them online connected to a government web site (which works fine in Linux). -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from openSUSE 15.0 (Legolas)) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Am 29.08.18 um 21:11 schrieb Carlos E. R.:
On 2018-08-29 13:01, Rainer Klier wrote:
Am 29.08.18 um 17:43 schrieb James Knott:
anywhere near where I want to save the file. With Adobe, it had no problem automatically selecting the folder where I wanted to save the file. Why isn't there something as simple as a home directory button, so I don't have to go through all that nonsense?
Please put Adobe Reader back in, so that we have a PDF app that works properly!!!
try using master pdf editor: https://code-industry.net/free-pdf-editor/#get
or foxit reader: https://www.foxitsoftware.com/de/pdf-reader/ Foxit can not verify signatures.
but master pdf editor can!
i almost daily use master pdf editor and didn't find a single feature, adobe reader had, which master pdf editor hadn't. It is Java and comes with its own JRE. Thus bigger size.
no, master pdf editor is not a java application. -- Best Regards | Freundliche Grüße | Cordialement | Cordiali Saluti | Atenciosamente | Saludos Cordiales *DI Rainer Klier* DevOps, Research & Development -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Rainer Klier wrote:
Am 29.08.18 um 21:11 schrieb Carlos E. R.:
On 2018-08-29 13:01, Rainer Klier wrote:
Am 29.08.18 um 17:43 schrieb James Knott:
anywhere near where I want to save the file. With Adobe, it had no problem automatically selecting the folder where I wanted to save the file. Why isn't there something as simple as a home directory button, so I don't have to go through all that nonsense?
Please put Adobe Reader back in, so that we have a PDF app that works properly!!!
try using master pdf editor: https://code-industry.net/free-pdf-editor/#get
or foxit reader: https://www.foxitsoftware.com/de/pdf-reader/ Foxit can not verify signatures.
but master pdf editor can!
i almost daily use master pdf editor and didn't find a single feature, adobe reader had, which master pdf editor hadn't. It is Java and comes with its own JRE. Thus bigger size.
no, master pdf editor is not a java application.
Agree, I don't see any JRE running here either. Master PDF Editor is really fast, but seems to have some issues with printing: a) picking the paper source was odd (a long list of options, when there is in fact only 3 possible sources). b) despite picking Envelope, size C5, the printer still said "A4 Plain", and didn't place the print out correctly on the page. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (17.2°C) http://www.dns24.ch/ - free dynamic DNS, made in Switzerland. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Am 30.08.18 um 10:39 schrieb Per Jessen:
Rainer Klier wrote:
no, master pdf editor is not a java application.
Agree, I don't see any JRE running here either. Master PDF Editor is really fast, but seems to have some issues with printing:
a) picking the paper source was odd (a long list of options, when there is in fact only 3 possible sources).
b) despite picking Envelope, size C5, the printer still said "A4 Plain", and didn't place the print out correctly on the page.
interesting. i never had printing issues. maybe it depends on the used printer driver. -- Best Regards | Freundliche Grüße | Cordialement | Cordiali Saluti | Atenciosamente | Saludos Cordiales *DI Rainer Klier* DevOps, Research & Development -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 2018-08-30 04:39, Per Jessen wrote:
Rainer Klier wrote:
i almost daily use master pdf editor and didn't find a single feature, adobe reader had, which master pdf editor hadn't. It is Java and comes with its own JRE. Thus bigger size.
no, master pdf editor is not a java application.
Agree, I don't see any JRE running here either.
The one I tried is. I mean this one: <https://www.qoppa.com/pdfstudioviewer/> You are talking of another one, I was confused. My notes on that one were: +++--------------- *master PDF editor* <https://code-industry.net/get-masterpdfeditor/> <https://code-industry.net/public/master-pdf-editor-5.0.15_qt5.x86_64.rpm> Does open vide-cerfa_13754-02.pdf. Buttons work (requires javscript support) It does have some problems displaying the letters inside the boxes as I type. It is an *editor*, not a reader. It can place signatures, but not in the free version. I do not see how to view signature data. Doesn't even say that the file is signed. ---------------++- The issue of being an editor made me discard it. Also the problems with signatures. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from openSUSE 15.0 (Legolas)) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Am 30.08.18 um 18:28 schrieb Carlos E. R.:
*master PDF editor* <https://code-industry.net/get-masterpdfeditor/> <https://code-industry.net/public/master-pdf-editor-5.0.15_qt5.x86_64.rpm>
latest version: https://code-industry.net/public/master-pdf-editor-5.1.36_qt5.x86_64.rpm
It is an *editor*, not a reader.
but you still can use it as a reader. just don't edit anything. it is like using vi or KDE's kate (which are editors as well) for viewing text files... ;-)
It can place signatures, but not in the free version.
could old acroread 9.5.5 do this?
I do not see how to view signature data. Doesn't even say that the file is signed.
yes, it can view/check signatures. i do this nearly every day. on the left side of the window you see 6 icons in vertical order. the first looks like a document-icon, the last looks like a certificate-icon. this is the signature tab. here you can see and validate signatures. -- Best Regards | Freundliche Grüße | Cordialement | Cordiali Saluti | Atenciosamente | Saludos Cordiales *DI Rainer Klier* DevOps, Research & Development -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 2018-08-30 12:41, Rainer Klier wrote:
Am 30.08.18 um 18:28 schrieb Carlos E. R.:
*master PDF editor* <https://code-industry.net/get-masterpdfeditor/> <https://code-industry.net/public/master-pdf-editor-5.0.15_qt5.x86_64.rpm>
latest version:
https://code-industry.net/public/master-pdf-editor-5.1.36_qt5.x86_64.rpm
It is an *editor*, not a reader.
but you still can use it as a reader.
just don't edit anything.
it is like using vi or KDE's kate (which are editors as well) for viewing text files... ;-)
Which I never do.
It can place signatures, but not in the free version.
could old acroread 9.5.5 do this?
Add signatures? I think so, never tried. Needs a certificate.
I do not see how to view signature data. Doesn't even say that the file is signed.
yes, it can view/check signatures.
i do this nearly every day.
on the left side of the window you see 6 icons in vertical order.
the first looks like a document-icon, the last looks like a certificate-icon.
this is the signature tab.
here you can see and validate signatures.
I will eventually try. But being an editor, unless it can be configured to disable the editor by default, is a no-no. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from openSUSE 15.0 (Legolas)) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 08/30/2018 03:23 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2018-08-30 12:41, Rainer Klier wrote:
Am 30.08.18 um 18:28 schrieb Carlos E. R.:
*master PDF editor* <https://code-industry.net/get-masterpdfeditor/> <https://code-industry.net/public/master-pdf-editor-5.0.15_qt5.x86_64.rpm>
latest version:
https://code-industry.net/public/master-pdf-editor-5.1.36_qt5.x86_64.rpm
It is an *editor*, not a reader.
but you still can use it as a reader.
just don't edit anything.
it is like using vi or KDE's kate (which are editors as well) for viewing text files... ;-)
Which I never do.
It can place signatures, but not in the free version.
could old acroread 9.5.5 do this?
Add signatures? I think so, never tried. Needs a certificate.
I do not see how to view signature data. Doesn't even say that the file is signed.
yes, it can view/check signatures.
i do this nearly every day.
on the left side of the window you see 6 icons in vertical order.
the first looks like a document-icon, the last looks like a certificate-icon.
this is the signature tab.
here you can see and validate signatures.
I will eventually try. But being an editor, unless it can be configured to disable the editor by default, is a no-no.
You actually have to put in edit mode to edit. It's actually is just a reader until you click "edit document". Mark -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
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Per Jessen -
Rainer Klier -
Simon Becherer -
Tom Kacvinsky