On 01/26/2013 02:33 PM, General Mail wrote:

On 1/26/2013 3:15 PM, Duaine Hechler wrote:

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I know this is OT but I desperate for answers.............

Running Linux and Thunderbird.

Randomly, over the last six months, I'm getting forwarded emails being sent to my wife email getting bounced back with her email address changed.

Explain: here email address is lj.....@att.net and is coming back mlj.....@att.net ("m" added on to the front) with an error message:

Sorry, we were unable to deliver your message to the following address.

: Remote host said: 551 not our customer [RCPT_TO]

To me, this clearly means that it is on - their - side somewhere.

And, all my server settings are correct and AT&T refuses to work with me, other than saying, of course, we don't support Linux - and - we don't support Thunderbird. On one call to support, I finally got to level 2, in which they said "now if you were using webmail we could really help you" and they kept telling me they can't help we.

How can I find out what is going on ? And finally prove that is on their side.

Thanks, Duaine

It would be nice to see the SMTP transaction transcript.

- Regards Not sure if this is what you are looking for, however:

Received: from [66.94.237.126] by nm7.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jan 2013 16:46:04 -0000 Received: from [68.142.198.204] by tm1.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jan 2013 16:46:04 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp105.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jan 2013 16:46:04 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=att.net; s=s1024; t=1358873164; bh=98WokgBFEF+JK02GK6ITJINjuDNR4poJ0DflxNEyzGc=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:Message-ID:Date:From:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:X-Forwarded-Message-Id:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=LIdH5I2Hm7dP12bCQdpjJPVLFKZQnebndSwRUtNojvieeZvQkNsqKJ0lBPxKZMSdqa8pxma6nxhEQhMrNRJX6VqQMlfon6mfoQIFfxbQRZ5StImWH4g/aaGS6+NPcXs3hf6Way1raAFY5NjfgbPV6x/cfwG9OuCiUQJ6IyuDMOg= X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:72653.15458.bm@smtp105.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: 28fvf.sVM1kWoQae4pdfPbA56atslpyJgtX1beIh1tlCC_1 VdIHDNgEIStXoXfojHdA2hqIf9.mGdCJN5i.Z.NOrhzD.5n4gsI2D1d5lARf iN00j9tCKBLnYCgcQv9dfwzKS33rpG4Nm6U.BqAOjpp70d2e3vyEyNfCkV9O TP_B72uQX4Y59OsCrrqPU5iEnD_uI_dyjoBjPl729tAscArdQu7xxsufZ8VS yR5o69C0y4VDFN4eIqsNQ7ofJajD24I2HZI8PglQeqd6oXy6LXkzU8AA5Y.J nnqG6p3782tYka2qqARQifDL_Vg3_1rXxCIj2Tvp1.qH2_ytaL3QyS7hjc6T Fy3t6h3Yrut.V9ApAKTuUw9i0.QXwyjCRRUeQbh2BnpVxsyhC8U.9yOniwD6 PiBjccm.plSv3ctuGVBZjaKWZooAyEDuHfLxohGoi5mLS99HrFdUYccgzv2U i4RRpsdRRohOwKQUd99jA31mWomUKIkz2MahFqTnnMv_WG.Xj_lvccio9d1v QhSd98I.h_erDntUK.TMnjhN5z5j5gqS5034y8n.ztEA3f_vGH_jBFY48IlB BWDaafGJ..lP1Nd1SsHP6ynDgEww1UdetFfrGr02vwrYqouKPUbdX9lffFrr hhNGBbOiBUa_I7ZhK4MjHLd0g9N6UBnqj1ACmKaK_iqB7Zu13trCMKPhqCDD 76kqA5sIZwU5Z7vckWmyCKPlLcsFjr4Crguhhb3ARWNN9.iwoHGNoMmwqvWV I0wCZHE7oaYoCm7QyHAbLz0K_qqUQhmjrwon0EJgfxMfEB.F.onwTnYnLaWu AYavdnxWj_Uvvd7_q5FF.YvsoH4IPOtDvFLVDew30WJI79BGk3jOm5HFKSPL aZA0ACVd603yeatAKqzkOrisq71_y.9YgdsWMs5p8LcRR740mclBhkvc7v0X cNAM8hlSe_z.wZ6JIZzS5tLn0RZTizFBPEKbbEXxIrt2LtMwtZceHCv4XjcC PTCcYQZ6d.l_dVDKg3YUl4Kyd2kXjJLkNmUhUtGe3umJLgl6pKrzPaHNATIh ky0nXQDYuhGddjeQINW3dy7uQ1wwg2rrGDvQxjQDGi8qOM1OUCsYAAXNMvpo y.RmijD4PJGhETFOsdWS0PSB3BcyAwyt3kxqSY0S4v0K4mJntAnWHR1tR12b yF.HWE9dQTnxz903cpXyJJKmw4xt7NMcOCeaow9ylVSqBiuGiDmdvLPjOJGk uGbVCv.4PLOOXKPKcfbdWOifn3BM.1Hn_Pce.xSFjReoCXMTwQduQzEHBAdh FoGZ264_vYUCfZrbGUnRab0jhHnt3U7CIR15KSI2XAUB7oqxkIBein2CaQ_. Q6RJvh6Lyxfvl.c8_notRwnjq.ygYOLmieQJElQDoDIEMeX1vVu75dZhuQHE 6uDLpr1Nstfr_d9kFMdO0DYFXsekJ.GqWuTQGdXsZG4ptrFb.gEvulK55zbu VezhXt.KkF8NNWUPxh9BeoGCOS9kAPL9NxtWZsxi9O8nR0806WQTasC4fQLt f_8HhGF4dIDZe.RTZABrwV54hsiZ8a7_Wc1CvfqoNTVG5mIPrG.jjH7vJVkC UgeQOaf4kToi3UPzlx7pvBnkV86NWFKNMHQgr6wlkeCAq2hgOaxb93RsjTC3 9Y0wdrm9yz6hd0jWhRZpyGbsTtYHfTm3QAuQ1YgVSxD8qRxtDk2WufqLc63I zaZKfQjmV3zMs.VJ_n6TZg8o6AOdxxgs.AhkteaYW5vdx_UG_iJwbPkPgwjT EXXU36DINyiB3yxD9Klwn4mDmRiX.OGugUyijdIMtm3YxWpnKgYkFLI1ON1K RXDs7TV3pGSq.CiQYFe.4JdIHV8rpHQbf5VJ6TphPaA7xRXQCw16ECghh.HL Z3G71gbT4xvgycBYTuA5Aug6FRu.fC7GM1uXMOIcDmOjOGuxBRjHrD0PplnU wDhUMht6SIwUDddJ73Ey5Ju6qCXeYF8PE4FHIUT1fmIVR63oLrLXGJWs8HqP BP9qLa88Sizm4HPMI_2mu4pvGSazku7Gq7ZMyZMHKn12n7jdeZzbUyYY699c 968p6w6MMyM01uJ_M2gSLzxtk_ZLgeYY3t0MLZFBgtYiZt593RY48CML0OKb BoBtNnR75Swy5M5J9GdOx2tCpE04YGrUp.JSPyYrStoaUNlniGRu.UBjX8_r f7G5PzgCweKcNhhf9psrZa0auaLgbsjp9C46UHg-- X-Yahoo-SMTP: sNDHRvGswBDj32HljgvgWNPEHUGV55SmSg1AHhDo Received: from [192.168.1.77] (dahechler@99.17.232.171 with plain) by smtp105.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jan 2013 08:46:03 -0800 PST Message-ID:<50FEC24B.7070502@att.net> Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2013 10:46:03 -0600 From: Duaine Hechler User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:17.0) Gecko/17.0 Thunderbird/17.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To:mailto:ljhechler@att.net Subject: Fwd: Don't Forget: Exciting New Menu Items for the Weekend! References:<20130122164432.21436.1554111033.swift@www.broadcast-hub.com> In-Reply-To:<20130122164432.21436.1554111033.swift@www.broadcast-hub.com> X-Forwarded-Message-Id:<20130122164432.21436.1554111033.swift@www.broadcast-hub.com> Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -- Duaine Hechler Piano, Player Piano, Pump Organ - Tuning, Servicing & Rebuilding (314) 838-5587 / dahechler@att.net / www.hechlerpianoandorgan.com Home & Business user of Linux - 13 years -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 01/26/2013 02:46 PM, General Mail wrote:

On 1/26/2013 3:43 PM, Duaine Hechler wrote:

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On 01/26/2013 02:33 PM, General Mail wrote:

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On 1/26/2013 3:15 PM, Duaine Hechler wrote:

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I know this is OT but I desperate for answers.............

Running Linux and Thunderbird.

Randomly, over the last six months, I'm getting forwarded emails being sent to my wife email getting bounced back with her email address changed.

Explain: here email address is lj.....@att.net and is coming back mlj.....@att.net ("m" added on to the front) with an error message:

Sorry, we were unable to deliver your message to the following address.

: Remote host said: 551 not our customer [RCPT_TO]

To me, this clearly means that it is on - their - side somewhere.

And, all my server settings are correct and AT&T refuses to work with me, other than saying, of course, we don't support Linux - and - we don't support Thunderbird. On one call to support, I finally got to level 2, in which they said "now if you were using webmail we could really help you" and they kept telling me they can't help we.

How can I find out what is going on ? And finally prove that is on their side.

Thanks, Duaine

It would be nice to see the SMTP transaction transcript.

- Regards Not sure if this is what you are looking for, however:

<snip>

mailto? To: mailto:ljhechler@att.net

Duaine -- Duaine Hechler Piano, Player Piano, Pump Organ - Tuning, Servicing & Rebuilding (314) 838-5587 / dahechler@att.net / www.hechlerpianoandorgan.com Home & Business user of Linux - 13 years -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 1/26/2013 3:57 PM, Carl Hartung wrote:

On Sat, 26 Jan 2013 15:46:20 -0500 General Mail wrote:

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mailto?

Bingo! :-) Nice catch there, General.

This /has/ to be the cause. The 'spurious' "m" is just too coincidental. I'll bet the underlying cause is someone right-clicking and selecting to 'copy e-mail address' and they don't realize they're picking up the 'mailto:' part.

Carl

Yup - Regards -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On Sat, 26 Jan 2013 15:09:18 -0600 Duaine Hechler wrote:

On 01/26/2013 03:02 PM, General Mail wrote:

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On 1/26/2013 3:57 PM, Carl Hartung wrote:

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On Sat, 26 Jan 2013 15:46:20 -0500 General Mail wrote:

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mailto?

Bingo! :-) Nice catch there, General.

This /has/ to be the cause. The 'spurious' "m" is just too coincidental. I'll bet the underlying cause is someone right-clicking and selecting to 'copy e-mail address' and they don't realize they're picking up the 'mailto:' part.

Carl

Yup

- Regards If that were the case, then why is it completely random ?

Duaine

Because only _some_ people right-click and copy e-mail addresses then forget to trim the 'mailto:' bit when it gets pasted into the 'To:' field. People who just 'click' on the mailto link don't have this problem because their e-mail clients know to strip it off. regards, Carl -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On Mon, 28 Jan 2013 00:31:46 -0600 Duaine Hechler wrote:

On 01/26/2013 03:43 PM, Carl Hartung wrote:

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On Sat, 26 Jan 2013 15:09:18 -0600 Duaine Hechler wrote:

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On 01/26/2013 03:02 PM, General Mail wrote:

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On 1/26/2013 3:57 PM, Carl Hartung wrote:

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On Sat, 26 Jan 2013 15:46:20 -0500 General Mail wrote:

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mailto? Bingo! :-) Nice catch there, General.

This /has/ to be the cause. The 'spurious' "m" is just too coincidental. I'll bet the underlying cause is someone right-clicking and selecting to 'copy e-mail address' and they don't realize they're picking up the 'mailto:' part.

Carl

Yup

- Regards If that were the case, then why is it completely random ?

Duaine

Because only _some_ people right-click and copy e-mail addresses then forget to trim the 'mailto:' bit when it gets pasted into the 'To:' field. People who just 'click' on the mailto link don't have this problem because their e-mail clients know to strip it off.

regards,

Carl Hmmm.....well.....every time I forward the email, I get the address from the address book to plug it in - and - it goes in as "lj....@att.net" with NO mailto:

Next idea ?

Thanks, Duaine

Google? What else is there without logs or original e-mail sources? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 01/28/2013 03:40 AM, Basil Chupin wrote:

On 27/01/13 07:43, Duaine Hechler wrote:

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On 01/26/2013 02:33 PM, General Mail wrote:

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On 1/26/2013 3:15 PM, Duaine Hechler wrote:

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I know this is OT but I desperate for answers.............

Running Linux and Thunderbird.

Randomly, over the last six months, I'm getting forwarded emails being sent to my wife email getting bounced back with her email address changed.

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Received: from [192.168.1.77] (dahechler@99.17.232.171 with plain) by smtp105.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jan 2013 08:46:03 -0800 PST Message-ID:<50FEC24B.7070502@att.net> Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2013 10:46:03 -0600 From: Duaine Hechler User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:17.0) Gecko/17.0 Thunderbird/17.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To:mailto:ljhechler@att.net [pruned]

You mention in your first post that *YOU* are receiving *forwarded* messages addressed to your wife.

To start, if they were FWDed then they would be returned to the person who FWDed those message to your wife.

So why should you receive them as bounced messages?

Secondly, you then go and give an example of a message which *YOU* sent to her as, presumambly, an example of such a bounced message.

And at the same time you stated that you checked all the settings for the account (?accounts) and all as far as you can see is OK.

BUT, who would enter someone's e-mail address in their Contact List as:

mailto:ljhechler@att.net ?

Surely this should read something like:

Margaret Hechler

assuming that your wife's name is Margaret, of course.

I suggest that there IS something wrong at your end or ends and has nothing to do with anything at your ISP.

BC

As it turns out, after looking at the headers, around 8 hours after I sent the emails, they are bounced back to me. Also, there is an intermediate server (between AT&T from and AT&T to) that the mail is being sent through. On two different emails that have bounced back, the one is mailermailer.com and the other is Nobis ......... . Finally, AT&T level 2 is going to look into this - I'm thinking their servers have been hacked or has a virus (BTW, since they are part of Yahoo, there servers are Yahoo and hosted with Microsucks software. Are Gmail services on Microsucks ? How could I find out ? Thanks, Duaine -- Duaine Hechler Piano, Player Piano, Pump Organ - Tuning, Servicing & Rebuilding (314) 838-5587 / dahechler@att.net / www.hechlerpianoandorgan.com Home & Business user of Linux - 13 years -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

How come YOU are the ONLY one that answers me in this way ?????????? Duaine On 01/26/2013 02:42 PM, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

* Duaine Hechler [01-26-13 15:17]:

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I know this is OT but I desperate for answers............. Then it should be posted *only* in "opensuse-offtopic!

"I know this is OT" should provide you with some indication where it belongs. Deliberately being impolite also says something!

If you are truly "desperate for answers", hire someone who can fix your problem.

-- Duaine Hechler Piano, Player Piano, Pump Organ - Tuning, Servicing & Rebuilding (314) 838-5587 / dahechler@att.net / www.hechlerpianoandorgan.com Home & Business user of Linux - 13 years -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 1/26/2013 8:49 PM, Jim Henderson wrote:

On Sat, 26 Jan 2013 14:47:01 -0600, Duaine Hechler wrote:

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How come YOU are the ONLY one that answers me in this way ??????????

Because the rest of us (or at least some of us) ignore your off-topic posts, Duaine. But Patrick is right, if you start with "I know this is off-topic", you are not in the right place. You have continued to do this in spite of being asked not to by a number of people over the years.

You once stated that the reason you do this is because you want more visibility. Doing so has given you /less/ visibility, because many make the (apparently) correct assumption that you don't care about being on- topic as long as it raises your visibility, so you get ignored.

It is impolite and a breech of netiquette to acknowledge that you know you're on the wrong list, but to continue to post on the wrong list in spite of that.

Apologising for doing something you know is wrong does not give license to continue to engage in the inappropriate behaviour.

http://www.catb.org/esr/faqs/smart-questions.html#forum

Jim

If I may add, a question regarding openSUSE and Thunderbird fit's within the realm of this mailing list. - Regards -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 1/27/2013 1:23 AM, Jim Henderson wrote:

On Sun, 27 Jan 2013 00:34:14 -0500, General Mail wrote:

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If I may add, a question regarding openSUSE and Thunderbird fit's within the realm of this mailing list.

Sure. I was just explaining to Duaine why people get upset with him when he posts off-topic stuff to this list - since that's what he asked in the message I replied to. Not really commenting on whether this specific instance is valid or not because I didn't read his original question (because I filter him out of what I typically read because of his past insistence of posting off-topic questions and then arguing that whether it's off-topic or not shouldn't matter).

It was to point out to Duaine that Patrick's not the only one who's frustrated by his continued posting of off-topic posts when he knows or suspects that they will be off-topic. Some of us are but can't be bothered because past attempts have just resulted in a pointless flamewar and his behaviour is unchanged.

Jim

fair enough :) - Regards -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 01/28/2013 12:38 AM, Basil Chupin wrote:

On 27/01/13 12:49, Jim Henderson wrote:

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On Sat, 26 Jan 2013 14:47:01 -0600, Duaine Hechler wrote:

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How come YOU are the ONLY one that answers me in this way ?????????? Because the rest of us (or at least some of us) ignore your off-topic posts, Duaine. But Patrick is right, if you start with "I know this is off-topic", you are not in the right place. You have continued to do this in spite of being asked not to by a number of people over the years.

You once stated that the reason you do this is because you want more visibility. Doing so has given you /less/ visibility, because many make the (apparently) correct assumption that you don't care about being on- topic as long as it raises your visibility, so you get ignored.

I think that you et al should look closely at the HEADERs of messages and see what is contained in them

Duaine's original post was cross posted to 3 lists/newsgroups and one of them was OFFTOPIC.

My question is: why was his post allowed to be crossposted to at least 2 openSUSE mail lists when one of my responses to an openSUSE list and to which I then added the sender's private address was rejected by the robot which controls the openSUSE mail lists because the robot does not allow cross posting?

If you look above Jim in the Subject line, you will see that your response has gone to the wrong list - or my mailer is putting it in the wrong list. Either way, the robot which runs these openSUSE mailing lists has lost its marbles and is out of control.

BC

RE: Headers: Oddly enough, the email went through a server called - mailermailer.com - at IP 199.83.97.2 Still not sure what this means. (It should be solely within ATT/Yahoo servers) Duaine -- Duaine Hechler Piano, Player Piano, Pump Organ - Tuning, Servicing & Rebuilding (314) 838-5587 / dahechler@att.net / www.hechlerpianoandorgan.com Home & Business user of Linux - 13 years -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org