[opensuse] openSUSE 10.3 system freeze when reading secondary IDE channel
After upgrading from SUSE 10.1 to openSUSE 10.3 I'm experiencing system freezes when reading data from the secondary IDE channel. I've got two drives both a hard disk and a optical drive on both the primary and the secondary channel. This problem seems to appear only when using the mouse while reading data with high transfer rates from the secondary IDE channel. These freezes didn't happen under SUSE 10.1 (Kernel version 2.6.16) and don't happen under Knoppix 5.0.1 (Kernel version 2.6.17). They also happen when I'm using the openSUSE 10.3 Live CD KDE. No freeze occurs while writing data. While reading, the higher the data transfer rates the sooner the freeze will happen. In most cases first the mouse freezes followed by the keyboard. Sometimes I can still trigger an Emergency Sync by pressing ALT+SysRq+S but I cannot control the KDE desktop or switch to a console with the keyboard. Often I can shutdown the computer properly by pressing the power button of my PC but sometimes even this won't work and I have to reset the computer. Maybe I should also mention that since the upgrade I'm encountering occasionally sporadic freezes of the whole computer, mostly with blinking LEDs on the keyboard. Any hints to solve this problem are appreciated. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Dec 16, 2007 11:41 AM, Theo Wollenleben <alpha0x89@yahoo.de> wrote:
After upgrading from SUSE 10.1 to openSUSE 10.3 I'm experiencing system freezes when reading data from the secondary IDE channel. I've got two drives both a hard disk and a optical drive on both the primary and the secondary channel. This problem seems to appear only when using the mouse while reading data with high transfer rates from the secondary IDE channel. These freezes didn't happen under SUSE 10.1 (Kernel version 2.6.16) and don't happen under Knoppix 5.0.1 (Kernel version 2.6.17). They also happen when I'm using the openSUSE 10.3 Live CD KDE.
No freeze occurs while writing data. While reading, the higher the data transfer rates the sooner the freeze will happen. In most cases first the mouse freezes followed by the keyboard. Sometimes I can still trigger an Emergency Sync by pressing ALT+SysRq+S but I cannot control the KDE desktop or switch to a console with the keyboard. Often I can shutdown the computer properly by pressing the power button of my PC but sometimes even this won't work and I have to reset the computer.
Maybe I should also mention that since the upgrade I'm encountering occasionally sporadic freezes of the whole computer, mostly with blinking LEDs on the keyboard.
Any hints to solve this problem are appreciated.
Theo, I suspect one of your problems is that (by default) 10.3 has problems with some CD / DVD players that somehow impacts HDD is the system. (ie. ATAPI devices). See Novell Bugzilla 331610 for a little of the history. And when its fixed, I suspect that bugzilla will get updated. Until then, I would try to use the traditional ide drivers. The 10.3 release notes tell you how to invoke them instead of the new ones that 10.3 defaults to. Greg -- Greg Freemyer Litigation Triage Solutions Specialist http://www.linkedin.com/in/gregfreemyer First 99 Days Litigation White Paper - http://www.norcrossgroup.com/forms/whitepapers/99%20Days%20whitepaper.pdf The Norcross Group The Intersection of Evidence & Technology http://www.norcrossgroup.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Am Sonntag, 16. Dezember 2007 schrieb Greg Freemyer:
On Dec 16, 2007 11:41 AM, Theo Wollenleben <alpha0x89@yahoo.de> wrote:
After upgrading from SUSE 10.1 to openSUSE 10.3 I'm experiencing system freezes when reading data from the secondary IDE channel.
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I suspect one of your problems is that (by default) 10.3 has problems with some CD / DVD players that somehow impacts HDD is the system. (ie. ATAPI devices).
See Novell Bugzilla 331610 for a little of the history. And when its fixed, I suspect that bugzilla will get updated.
Until then, I would try to use the traditional ide drivers. The 10.3 release notes tell you how to invoke them instead of the new ones that 10.3 defaults to.
Thank you for pointing my attention to the libata problem. Indeed when I start the Live CD with 'hwprobe=-modules.pata' no system freeze will occur. Apparently this boot parameter has no effect on an already installed system. So if anybody knows how to disable libata without to reinstall, please tell me. I don't want to reinstall openSUSE 10.3 because the last time I went through the installation procedure one of my partitions was cleared from all data... I also added my report to Novell's Bugzilla where someone had already described the same problem: https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=336063 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 2007/12/29 20:57 (GMT+0100) Theo Wollenleben apparently typed:
Thank you for pointing my attention to the libata problem. Indeed when I start the Live CD with 'hwprobe=-modules.pata' no system freeze will occur. Apparently this boot parameter has no effect on an already installed system. So if anybody knows how to disable libata without to reinstall, please tell me. I don't want to reinstall openSUSE 10.3 because the last time I went through the installation procedure one of my partitions was cleared from all data...
What will probably work is reboot into BIOS setup and disable the secondary IDE controller. If it won't let you do that, pop the cover and remove the power cables from any devices on the secondary controller. Then boot normally and rebuild your initrd in a manner similar to the description at http://archives.mandrivalinux.com/cooker/2007-11/msg00387.php . Before rebooting with that initrd, check to see no devices in /etc/fstab are referred to as /dev/sdX, and fix any that are. -- Jesus Christ, the reason for the season. Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 Felix Miata *** http://mrmazda.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 12/30/2007 03:57 AM, Theo Wollenleben wrote:
Thank you for pointing my attention to the libata problem. Indeed when I start the Live CD with 'hwprobe=-modules.pata' no system freeze will occur. Apparently this boot parameter has no effect on an already installed system.
Actually it does, but I suspect not what you were expecting.
So if anybody knows how to disable libata without to reinstall, please tell me. I don't want to reinstall openSUSE 10.3 because the last time I went through the installation procedure one of my partitions was cleared from all data...
You will need to change your drives device naming to correspond to the older method, i.e. hdx for ide, sdx for scsi (including cd and dvd drives) instead of sdx for drives and srx for optical (replace x with letter for drives and numbers for optical [no partitions]. This will need to be done in /etc/fstab, /boot/grub (at least menu.lst and device.map, as well as your modules used for your initrd in /etc/sysconfig/kernel and rebuild your initrd. Probably best to do all that after booting into the rescue system mode. HTH. -- Joe Morris Registered Linux user 231871 running openSUSE 10.3 x86_64 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Am Sonntag, 30. Dezember 2007 schrieb Joe Morris (NTM):
On 12/30/2007 03:57 AM, Theo Wollenleben wrote:
Thank you for pointing my attention to the libata problem. Indeed when I start the Live CD with 'hwprobe=-modules.pata' no system freeze will occur. Apparently this boot parameter has no effect on an already installed system.
Actually it does, but I suspect not what you were expecting.
So if anybody knows how to disable libata without to reinstall, please tell me. I don't want to reinstall openSUSE 10.3 because the last time I went through the installation procedure one of my partitions was cleared from all data...
You will need to change your drives device naming to correspond to the older method, i.e. hdx for ide, sdx for scsi (including cd and dvd drives) instead of sdx for drives and srx for optical (replace x with letter for drives and numbers for optical [no partitions]. This will need to be done in /etc/fstab, /boot/grub (at least menu.lst and device.map, as well as your modules used for your initrd in /etc/sysconfig/kernel and rebuild your initrd. Probably best to do all that after booting into the rescue system mode. HTH.
I used the YaST sysconfig editor to replaced 'pata_via' by 'ide_disk' in INITRD_MODULES and changed my drives device naming in /boot/menu.lst, /boot/device.map and /etc/fstab (sda -> hda, sdb -> hdd in my case). It seems to work fine. Now ide drives are named /dev/hd* and there are no system freezes any more while reading the secondary IDE channel. Instead of booting into the rescue system mode I did this within the normal booted system. There also was no need to disable the secondary IDE controller as Felix suggested. Thank you all for the help. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Am Sonntag, 30. Dezember 2007 schrieb Theo Wollenleben:
Am Sonntag, 30. Dezember 2007 schrieb Joe Morris (NTM):
On 12/30/2007 03:57 AM, Theo Wollenleben wrote:
So if anybody knows how to disable libata without to reinstall, please tell me. I don't want to reinstall openSUSE 10.3 because the last time I went through the installation procedure one of my partitions was cleared from all data...
You will need to change your drives device naming to correspond to the older method, i.e. hdx for ide, sdx for scsi (including cd and dvd drives) instead of sdx for drives and srx for optical (replace x with letter for drives and numbers for optical [no partitions]. This will need to be done in /etc/fstab, /boot/grub (at least menu.lst and device.map, as well as your modules used for your initrd in /etc/sysconfig/kernel and rebuild your initrd. Probably best to do all that after booting into the rescue system mode. HTH.
I used the YaST sysconfig editor to replaced 'pata_via' by 'ide_disk' in INITRD_MODULES and changed my drives device naming in /boot/menu.lst, /boot/device.map and /etc/fstab (sda -> hda, sdb -> hdd in my case). It seems to work fine. Now ide drives are named /dev/hd* and there are no system freezes any more while reading the secondary IDE channel.
The old ide drivers seem to work fine as long as it doesn't come to using DVD-RAMs. To write and read them in a reliable way I have to use a packet device now. I also hear a squeaking of my hard drive from time to time as I was used to from previous versions of SUSE. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
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