Remind me never to use this torrent stuff
I started dowloading the 10.1 using this torrent source thing. I'd downloaded a few things before and figured it would be good to both serve and get. Man what a mess. I left my laptop on all night, expecting the 3GB torrent to be finished. Nope. I got a message on my system after only 700MB saying the KTorrent had somehow bombed. (I don't have Azereous on this machine.) I then launched Azereous and tried the torrent again. While only getting 80 - 100Kb/sec download, I let it download all day while I was at work. Sure enough, it had only downloaded 800MB. What a joke! If I'd just done a direct download I would have had all five CDs downloaded in a few hours. (I have 3000KB/s DSL with general sustained speeds of 2500 or better.) Unless this torrent system gets better I give up. Now off to downloading the old-fashioned way - FTP. <grumpy old man voice> "Back in my day, we had to type ftp commands by hand, including bin and get. I used to have to remember how to type anonymous. And we liked it!" -- kai - www.perfectreign.com www.livebeans.com - the new NetBeans community 43...for those who require slightly more than the answer to life, the universe and everything.
At 09:24 PM 5/12/2006, kai wrote:
I started dowloading the 10.1 using this torrent source thing. I'd downloaded a few things before and figured it would be good to both serve and get.
Man what a mess. I left my laptop on all night, expecting the 3GB torrent to be finished. I got both the 386 an the 64bit in little over 7 hours for each. not sure what your problem is but it worked fine for me to get both of them.
jack
On Friday 12 May 2006 07:52 pm, Jack Malone wrote:
At 09:24 PM 5/12/2006, kai wrote:
I started dowloading the 10.1 using this torrent source thing. I'd downloaded a few things before and figured it would be good to both serve and get.
Man what a mess. I left my laptop on all night, expecting the 3GB torrent to be finished.
I got both the 386 an the 64bit in little over 7 hours for each. not sure what your problem is but it worked fine for me to get both of them.
I dunno - It has been a bit more than an hour and a half and I've gotten three of the iso's downloaded. I'm just about to start on iso4 and five. go figure. -- k
On 13/05/06, kai
On Friday 12 May 2006 07:52 pm, Jack Malone wrote:
At 09:24 PM 5/12/2006, kai wrote:
I started dowloading the 10.1 using this torrent source thing. I'd downloaded a few things before and figured it would be good to both serve and get.
Man what a mess. I left my laptop on all night, expecting the 3GB torrent to be finished.
I got both the 386 an the 64bit in little over 7 hours for each. not sure what your problem is but it worked fine for me to get both of them.
I dunno - It has been a bit more than an hour and a half and I've gotten three of the iso's downloaded. I'm just about to start on iso4 and five.
go figure.
-- k
I know a lot of people who have given up on the Torrent system. Myself included. This, despite optimising the uploads and downloads as stated. I now tend to wait a few weeks and then download via good old fashioned ftp. I leave it those few weeks so as not to overload any servers. Yes, I have tried the Torrents after a couple of weeks or so too. Supposedly there are more seeds then.....hmmmm, not here there weren't. -- ============================================== I am only human, please forgive me if I make a mistake it is not deliberate. ============================================== PLEASE DON'T drink and drive it's not clever, it's just stupid. Kevan Farmer Linux user #373362 Cheslyn Hay Staffordshire WS6 7HR
Kevanf1 wrote:
I know a lot of people who have given up on the Torrent system. Myself included. This, despite optimising the uploads and downloads as stated. I now tend to wait a few weeks and then download via good old fashioned ftp. I leave it those few weeks so as not to overload any servers.
I tend to download the next beta or RC within a day or two of it becoming available on my local mirrors. I often see upwards of 400kbps download speed, although the 10.1GM is clearly a lot more popular, so download speeds have now dropped to less than 80kbps. AFAICS, the success/usefulness of bittorrent is closely tied to 1) popularity of the product/file/data and 2) capabilities of FTP-servers. As long as 2) is sufficient to deal with 1), there's little or no need for bittorrent. /Per Jessen, Zürich
On 12/05/06 20:24, kai wrote:
I started dowloading the 10.1 using this torrent source thing. I'd downloaded a few things before and figured it would be good to both serve and get.
Man what a mess. I left my laptop on all night, expecting the 3GB torrent to be finished.
<snip> Increase the numbers of uplinks and downlinks you allow (particularly the latter), increase the available bandwidth again particularly for downlinks, and increase the bandwidth per connection. I think the defaults in most torrent clients are rather low, they are in Azureus IIRC. In Azureus, you can do all this on a per-torrent basis, with a right-click on various fields in the information box(es).
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The Friday 2006-05-12 at 19:24 -0700, kai wrote:
Unless this torrent system gets better I give up. Now off to downloading the old-fashioned way - FTP.
For me, the text mode "btdownloadcurses" works fine. But! Remember not to use your full upload capacity, or your download will suffer (your ACKs get delayed). Remember to open ports "6880:6889" in the firewall. The speed depends on how many people are uploading. - -- Cheers, Carlos Robinson -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iD8DBQFEZcprtTMYHG2NR9URAoc0AJ9C3UrHDoDcRYOIBuPByxdHCvBTQQCdEoCN ywjTg6XDJKNStIlIlxDL9O0= =XcmA -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
Carlos E. R. wrote:
The Friday 2006-05-12 at 19:24 -0700, kai wrote:
Unless this torrent system gets better I give up. Now off to downloading the old-fashioned way - FTP.
For me, the text mode "btdownloadcurses" works fine.
Would that be a few choice words to use, when torrents fail? ;-)
Carlos E. R. wrote:
The Friday 2006-05-12 at 19:24 -0700, kai wrote:
Unless this torrent system gets better I give up. Now off to downloading the old-fashioned way - FTP.
For me, the text mode "btdownloadcurses" works fine. But! Remember not to use your full upload capacity, or your download will suffer (your ACKs get delayed). Remember to open ports "6880:6889" in the firewall.
Yes Carlos, you are almost right, IMHO. If you do not limit the upload speed to something less that your ISP subscribed speed, your router will tend to store packets in it's cache and therefore delay some of the IP packets, thus slowing the downloading speed because of upload congestion speed. This is just a rough way to overcome those problems. The better way, IMHO, is to use some kind of traphic shapping - I use the one at http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/ADSL-Bandwidth-Management-HOWTO/implementation.htm... , but SuSEFirewall2 has something on it that should do the same thing, witch is the FW_HTB_TUNE_DEV option. I prefer the first option because is more "tweakable". Just as an example, I have a 640kbit/s upload speed. If i do not limit it to 600kbits I will not even get a 400kbits download. But if I do, I can get up to the full subscribed 4Mbits/s. About the ports to opened, with azureus you will need just one of your choice. I encourage people to stay out of the "6880:6889" range, because many ISP's now also do some traffic shaping of their own, setting these ports to a low priority traffic, thus delaying the entire bittorrent protocol/transfers. Choose something like port 49152. Besides that, you not only have to open that port on the firewall but, you also have to forward it to your internal IP address of the machine that is running azureus. Example: Router IP Address = 192.168.0.1 Internal machine IP address = 192.168.0.5 TCP Port in Azureus: 49152 Settings on SuSEFirewall2: FW_SERVICES_EXT_TCP: add the "49152" port FW_FORWARD_MASQ: add "0/0,192.168.0.5,tcp,49152" to what you already have Then restart SuSEFirewall2 and you should be ready to go. Also remember that usually, if you have cheap routers, they might not be able to handle all connections that azureus initiate. I now have a much better up/down speed/readiness, because I switched my cheap router to a pppoe Bridge router, and now use my firewall to connect to my ISP using pppd and pppoe software through an extra NIC. This is just my experience about two years trying to get the most out of my ADSL connection. Just hope it helps someone. Also, forgive me about some not so well managed sentences but, English is not my native language.
The speed depends on how many people are uploading.
yeap. Also depends on their uploading speed.
-- Rui Santos http://www.ruisantos.com/
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The Saturday 2006-05-13 at 13:53 +0100, Rui Santos wrote:
For me, the text mode "btdownloadcurses" works fine. But! Remember not to use your full upload capacity, or your download will suffer (your ACKs get delayed). Remember to open ports "6880:6889" in the firewall. Yes Carlos, you are almost right, IMHO.
If you do not limit the upload speed to something less that your ISP subscribed speed, your router will tend to store packets in it's cache and therefore delay some of the IP packets, thus slowing the downloading speed because of upload congestion speed.
That's what I meant, with less words.
This is just a rough way to overcome those problems. The better way, IMHO, is to use some kind of traphic shapping - I use the one at http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/ADSL-Bandwidth-Management-HOWTO/implementation.htm... , but SuSEFirewall2 has something on it that should do the same thing, witch is the FW_HTB_TUNE_DEV option. I prefer the first option because is more "tweakable". Just as an example, I have a 640kbit/s upload speed. If i do not limit it to 600kbits I will not even get a 400kbits download. But if I do, I can get up to the full subscribed 4Mbits/s.
The end result is the same if you simply tell your bittorrent client to use xxx for upload. The best thing would be to clasify packets by preference.
About the ports to opened, with azureus you will need just one of your choice. I encourage people to stay out of the "6880:6889" range, because many ISP's now also do some traffic shaping of their own, setting these ports to a low priority traffic, thus delaying the entire bittorrent protocol/transfers. Choose something like port 49152.
Then, how do the rest of the croud find you? :-?
Besides that, you not only have to open that port on the firewall but, you also have to forward it to your internal IP address of the machine that is running azureus.
Of course.
Also remember that usually, if you have cheap routers, they might not be able to handle all connections that azureus initiate.
True enough. Mine crashes after some time. I limit the number of incomming connections in my client: btdownloadcurses --max_upload_rate 20 --max_allow_in 12 filename.torrent I don't see the point in having 50 connections or so when I only can upload 20 kbytes/s.
Also, forgive me about some not so well managed sentences but, English is not my native language.
Mine neither ;-) - -- Cheers, Carlos Robinson -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iD8DBQFEZevttTMYHG2NR9URAkJSAKCSQIXQ12K/yfVe+GpkxWpNCJiZ+gCeOpfV L1OJLuQKwliu/g9tHd7IhcI= =SCo6 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
On Fri, 2006-05-12 at 19:24 -0700, kai wrote:
I started dowloading the 10.1 using this torrent source thing. I'd downloaded a few things before and figured it would be good to both serve and get.
Man what a mess. I left my laptop on all night, expecting the 3GB torrent to be finished.
Nope.
I got a message on my system after only 700MB saying the KTorrent had somehow bombed. (I don't have Azereous on this machine.) I then launched Azereous and tried the torrent again. While only getting 80 - 100Kb/sec download, I let it download all day while I was at work.
Sure enough, it had only downloaded 800MB. What a joke! If I'd just done a direct download I would have had all five CDs downloaded in a few hours. (I have 3000KB/s DSL with general sustained speeds of 2500 or better.)
Unless this torrent system gets better I give up. Now off to downloading the old-fashioned way - FTP.
<grumpy old man voice>
"Back in my day, we had to type ftp commands by hand, including bin and get.
I used to have to remember how to type anonymous.
And we liked it!"
I'm hoping to have better luck with KTorrent than you have had. I tried Azureus, but it bombed at the start with an error message I had never seen before. It did however get the add-on /cd no problems, so I don't know what's wrong, I'm using the same .torrent file and the same destination folders.
Mike McMullin wrote:
On Fri, 2006-05-12 at 19:24 -0700, kai wrote:
I started dowloading the 10.1 using this torrent source thing. I'd downloaded a few things before and figured it would be good to both serve and get.
Man what a mess. I left my laptop on all night, expecting the 3GB torrent to be finished.
Nope.
I got a message on my system after only 700MB saying the KTorrent had somehow bombed. (I don't have Azereous on this machine.) I then launched Azereous and tried the torrent again. While only getting 80 - 100Kb/sec download, I let it download all day while I was at work.
Sure enough, it had only downloaded 800MB. What a joke! If I'd just done a direct download I would have had all five CDs downloaded in a few hours. (I have 3000KB/s DSL with general sustained speeds of 2500 or better.)
Unless this torrent system gets better I give up. Now off to downloading the old-fashioned way - FTP.
<grumpy old man voice>
"Back in my day, we had to type ftp commands by hand, including bin and get.
I used to have to remember how to type anonymous.
And we liked it!"
I'm hoping to have better luck with KTorrent than you have had. I tried Azureus, but it bombed at the start with an error message I had never seen before. It did however get the add-on /cd no problems, so I don't know what's wrong, I'm using the same .torrent file and the same destination folders.
Check Azureus home page to get support. They have a very nice FAQ/wiki.
-- Rui Santos http://www.ruisantos.com/
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