On Mon, Apr 7, 2008 at 9:50 AM, Sam Clemens wrote:

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Hello Linux folkz, Could somebody please advise based on personal experience, are there any good Linux compatible WYSIWYG HTML editors. I tried NVU (which is not maintained any longer), then its bugfix derivative Kompozer, which is in general the same thing. In short I need a Linux compatible tool which would allow me to do HTML page layout, without digging through HTML tags, and possibly support CSS. I don't mind if someone advises on any commercial Linux compatible HTML editing tool.

Thank you in advance for any hints or opinions,

Here's your hint: One fish, two fish Red fish, bluefish.

:-)

http://bluefish.openoffice.nl/

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David C. Rankin wrote:

Sam Clemens wrote:

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Alex wrote:

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Hello Linux folkz, Could somebody please advise based on personal experience, are there any good Linux compatible WYSIWYG HTML editors. I tried NVU (which is not maintained any longer), then its bugfix derivative Kompozer, which is in general the same thing. In short I need a Linux compatible tool which would allow me to do HTML page layout, without digging through HTML tags, and possibly support CSS. I don't mind if someone advises on any commercial Linux compatible HTML editing tool.

Thank you in advance for any hints or opinions,

Here's your hint: One fish, two fish Red fish, bluefish.

:-)

http://bluefish.openoffice.nl/

Ooh, ooh, I know, I know! "vi" or "kwite". What you see is exactly what you will get.....

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* Donald D Henson [04-08-08 07:01]:

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http://bluefish.openoffice.nl/

Where's the WYSIWYG part? I looked at your screen shots but none of them showed a graphical layout.

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Dave Howorth wrote:

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* Donald D Henson [04-08-08 07:01]:

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Sam Clemens wrote:

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http://bluefish.openoffice.nl/ Where's the WYSIWYG part? I looked at your screen shots but none of them showed a graphical layout. look again

I don't see it either. I'm not surprised ...

According to the bluefish manual [1]: "Bluefish is not a WYSIWYG[1] text editor. This is deliberate, allowing the programmer to stay in full control." ... It does have "A What You Write Is What You Get interface"

[1] http://bluefish.openoffice.nl/manual/pr01s02.html#id935652

Cheers, Dave

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On Tue, Apr 8, 2008 at 2:17 PM, John Andersen wrote:

On Tue, Apr 8, 2008 at 5:50 AM, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

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* Donald D Henson [04-08-08 07:01]:

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Sam Clemens wrote:

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http://bluefish.openoffice.nl/

Where's the WYSIWYG part? I looked at your screen shots but none of them showed a graphical layout.

look again

Time for you to look Patrick.

Just because the text editor runs in graphics mode does not make it a WYSIWYG graphical editor.

Seamonkey contains a wisiwig html editor if you have never seen one before. You should try it out. Its not the best example, but you get the picture.

Its more like a graphical page layout engine rather than a "ok, now let me see how it might look" button in a text engine.

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On Tue, Apr 8, 2008 at 2:49 PM, Sloan wrote:

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I know it not free and it's windows and mac, but you can install Dreamweaver with wine-door and it works great.

Cool, which versions of DW are known to work thusly?

Joe

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On Tuesday 08 April 2008 04:01, Donald D Henson wrote:

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http://bluefish.openoffice.nl/

Where's the WYSIWYG part? I looked at your screen shots but none of them showed a graphical layout.

According to http://bluefish.openoffice.nl/features.html, it has: # A What You See Is What You Need interface No doubt it's a wyn-wyn situation.

Don Henson

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Donald D Henson pecked at the keyboard and wrote:

Randall R Schulz wrote:

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On Tuesday 08 April 2008 04:01, Donald D Henson wrote:

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http://bluefish.openoffice.nl/ Where's the WYSIWYG part? I looked at your screen shots but none of

... them showed a graphical layout.

According to http://bluefish.openoffice.nl/features.html, it has:

# A What You See Is What You Need interface

Pardon my ignorance but what the heck is a wysiwyn interface? Or is this one huge joke and I'm not getting it?

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IT is WYSIWYG, translation: What You See Is What You Get -- Ken Schneider SuSe since Version 5.2, June 1998 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

James Knott wrote:

Ken Schneider wrote:

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Pardon my ignorance but what the heck is a wysiwyn interface? Or is this one huge joke and I'm not getting it?

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IT is WYSIWYG, translation: What You See Is What You Get

Or with OOXML, WYSIWTF. ;-)

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On Tuesday 08 April 2008 13:43, Donald D Henson wrote:

Randall R Schulz wrote:

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On Tuesday 08 April 2008 04:01, Donald D Henson wrote:

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http://bluefish.openoffice.nl/

Where's the WYSIWYG part? I looked at your screen shots but none of them showed a graphical layout.

According to http://bluefish.openoffice.nl/features.html, it has:

# A What You See Is What You Need interface

Pardon my ignorance but what the heck is a wysiwyn interface? Or is this one huge joke and I'm not getting it?

I did not take it as a joke, but rather as something the designers and authors of BlueFish see as an alternative to WYSIWYG that represents a preferable mode of authoring for HTML, which is inherently not amenable to WYSIWYG due to the fact that browsers are free to make so many of their own (or their users') choices in rendering any given piece of HTML.

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No doubt it's a wyn-wyn situation.

That was my feeble attempt at a pun, however.

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On Tuesday 08 April 2008 14:49, John Andersen wrote:

On Tue, Apr 8, 2008 at 2:20 PM, Randall R Schulz wrote:

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authors of BlueFish see as an alternative to WYSIWYG that represents a preferable mode of authoring for HTML, which is inherently not amenable to WYSIWYG due to the fact that browsers are free to make so many of their own (or their users') choices in rendering any given piece of HTML.

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"inherently not amenable" is a rather strong assertion for something that is simply a personal preference.

God, what's your problem? I don't have a preference on this at all. I do very little direct HTML authoring. The large majority of the HTML I deal with is generated by my software, not directly by me. Randall Schulz -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

jdd sur free wrote:

Alex a écrit :

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are there any good Linux compatible WYSIWYG HTML

there are no good wywyyg html editor, all platforms included.

this is mainly because there is no wysiwyg html... what you see depends on the browser, the window size and so on...

I tried nearly all the products available... and revert to vi...

vi, with 6 (six) browsers installed and used alternatively is the only solution I find to have exactly what I want.

this said, I use seamonkey editor (basic nvu) when I want to remember some special construct: I ask for a table with color rows, for example then take the html code and paste it in my page :-))

This answer is more correct than the one I wrote.

jdd

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* Randall R Schulz [Apr 07. 2008 16:04]:

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On Monday 07 April 2008 09:29, Alex wrote:

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Hello Linux folkz, Could somebody please advise based on personal experience, are there any good Linux compatible WYSIWYG HTML editors. ...

Thank you in advance for any hints or opinions, Nonetheless there are people (I guess) who do professional Web development work using things like Dream Weaver or In-Design (certainly Macromedia and Adobe want you to believe this), so you could also use one of these running on Windows under virtualization (VMware, Xen, etc.) on a Linux box. They're pretty pricey, though and you'd need a Windows license, too..

Actually, it's not just Adobe that wants people to believe that DW and InDesign are used a lot. They are in fact used by most big dev houses. My wife worked for several in our 10 years in the Bay Area. The thing is .. 99% of those were on Macs. :D

But your point is taken about knowing HTML and other web languages. The thing to do with DW is to have a code window open so you can see what's being written by the WYSIWYG editor .. but one would have to know the code to catch any weird stuff.

-ben

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jdd sur free wrote:

Ken Schneider a �crit :

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I usually use OpenOffice to generate the basic layout and then open the doc in vi and clean it up. I find it easier to delete a bunch of extra code then trying to write from scratch. But then I only create new pages occasionally.

OpenOffice is very good to post a document already done or mainly done for printing, but it screws severely any recursive table if you happen to open a document with one (amoung other problems).

I used in the past staroffice for it's extremely usefull frame editor, but this feature was not kept in openoffice...

to make a draft, seamonkey (nvu) editor is much better. It have essentially two drawbacks: it never uses <p> and uses <br> everywhere and don't know at all about &nbrs;, what is very tedious in french, but this is pretty easy to cope after.

be aware of some things:

* most internet site uses again and again the same page (specially with good css) and a copy paste is very easy.

* many important web sites are nearly unusable, the code being horrible. This is a good way to lose customers...

*DW can be very good but can screw an entire site at a press of a key and it's the reason I can't use it

* for simple editing there are lot of systems like wikis or CMS like zope, drupal, joomla, spip...

and, you know, even myspace needs to know some html...

jdd

Hi, I've just downloaded, compiled and rpmed bluefish unstable and it looks good so far, had to update my libavahi-devel not mentioned on their requirements page. I'd say bluefish beats anything suse has to offer so far. Regards Dave -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Randall R Schulz wrote:

On Monday 07 April 2008 09:29, Alex wrote:

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Hello Linux folkz, Could somebody please advise based on personal experience, are there any good Linux compatible WYSIWYG HTML editors. ...

Thank you in advance for any hints or opinions,

I think what people are trying to tell you, each in their individually inimitable style, is that WYSIWYG for HTML is a dubious proposition.

I would say that if your needs are casual and occasional, a WYSIWYG HTML editor is a fine thing to use, but if you're needs are more serious (e.g., you care about browser independence and maintainability) you'll do best by learning to deal with HTML on its own terms, not through the filter of a WYSIWYG editor.

Nonetheless there are people (I guess) who do professional Web development work using things like DreamWeaver or InDesign (certainly Macromedia and Adobe want you to believe this), so you could also use one of these running on Windows under virtualization (VMware, Xen, etc.) on a Linux box. They're pretty pricey, though and you'd need a Windows license, too..

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Alex

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And, along those lines, I could have been a bit more helpful. See: http://www.w3schools.com/ It is a great reference with hundreds of examples that will teach you 90% of what you need to know about all of web authoring (css, html, xml, xhtml, dhtml, php, sql, etc..) It really is a good place to start and to revisit often regardless whether you use a sysiwyg editor or not. -- David C. Rankin, J.D., P.E. Rankin Law Firm, PLLC 510 Ochiltree Street Nacogdoches, Texas 75961 Telephone: (936) 715-9333 Facsimile: (936) 715-9339 www.rankinlawfirm.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Monday 07 April 2008 22:15, Carlos F. Lange wrote:

On Mon April 7 2008 21:54:04 David C. Rankin wrote:

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        And, along those lines, I could have been a bit more helpful. See:

http://www.w3schools.com/

        It is a great reference with hundreds of examples ...

The information is pretty good. The presentation is pretty bad and ugly.

This was a great hint. Thanks.

-- Carlos FL

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On Tuesday 08 April 2008 09:52:29 Alexey Eremenko wrote:

On Tue, Apr 8, 2008 at 8:47 AM, Clive Rogers wrote:

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On Monday 07 April 2008 17:29:39 Alex wrote: Have you looked at Nvu ? http://nvudev.com/index.php

Clive: Have you Read his email?

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