[opensuse] KDE4 and opensuse 11.0 [changed]
On Mon, Feb 18, 2008 at 11:35 AM, Will Stephenson <wstephenson@suse.de> wrote:
To make this industry scenario a little more realistic:
Importantly, the first week of April is our decision point, not deep freeze. The KDE 4 packages would continue to be updated with bulk fixes from Subversion until the end of May, and critical fixes through the RC cycle. So you'd be using what you had in your hand to sell what's coming next, not what you have in your hand.
Curious if anyone knows if the above decision was made and which way it went. Greg -- Greg Freemyer Litigation Triage Solutions Specialist http://www.linkedin.com/in/gregfreemyer First 99 Days Litigation White Paper - http://www.norcrossgroup.com/forms/whitepapers/99%20Days%20whitepaper.pdf The Norcross Group The Intersection of Evidence & Technology http://www.norcrossgroup.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Greg Freemyer wrote:
On Mon, Feb 18, 2008 at 11:35 AM, Will Stephenson <wstephenson@suse.de> wrote:
To make this industry scenario a little more realistic:
Importantly, the first week of April is our decision point, not deep freeze. The KDE 4 packages would continue to be updated with bulk fixes from Subversion until the end of May, and critical fixes through the RC cycle. So you'd be using what you had in your hand to sell what's coming next, not what you have in your hand.
Curious if anyone knows if the above decision was made and which way it went.
Greg
For sanity's sake let us pray that 3.x is still the default and that 4.x is an option. It would be a pity for first time users to get caught by the numerous 4.x gotchas and give up on linux because "it just doesn't work". Sure an experienced user may be able to dig through ~/.kde/share/config/ and /opt/kdeX/ and recover, but this is far beyond what anyone wanting to "try" Novell openSuSE is capable of doing. After the 10.3 install issues and broken recover system, I sure would like to see 11.0 come out clean without any major gotchas... Surely Novell understands that. -- David C. Rankin, J.D., P.E. Rankin Law Firm, PLLC 510 Ochiltree Street Nacogdoches, Texas 75961 Telephone: (936) 715-9333 Facsimile: (936) 715-9339 www.rankinlawfirm.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
David C. Rankin wrote:
Greg Freemyer wrote:
On Mon, Feb 18, 2008 at 11:35 AM, Will Stephenson <wstephenson@suse.de> wrote:
To make this industry scenario a little more realistic:
Importantly, the first week of April is our decision point, not deep freeze. The KDE 4 packages would continue to be updated with bulk fixes from Subversion until the end of May, and critical fixes through the RC cycle. So you'd be using what you had in your hand to sell what's coming next, not what you have in your hand.
Curious if anyone knows if the above decision was made and which way it went.
Greg
For sanity's sake let us pray that 3.x is still the default and that 4.x is an option. It would be a pity for first time users to get caught by the numerous 4.x gotchas and give up on linux because "it just doesn't work". Sure an experienced user may be able to dig through ~/.kde/share/config/ and /opt/kdeX/ and recover, but this is far beyond what anyone wanting to "try" Novell openSuSE is capable of doing.
After the 10.3 install issues and broken recover system, I sure would like to see 11.0 come out clean without any major gotchas...
Surely Novell understands that.
One can hope!! The last I looked at 4.0, (a few days ago) all the admin. stuff is missing....configurability is "gone, along with some other things!!" I do like plasma.....NICE effects! I just don't see 4.0 being ready for prime time by the end of June....UNfortunately. Fred -- MickySoft Aims to Lasso Everything With Live Mesh. What will get "lassoed" is your private data as hackers, virus and trojan writers have a field day! -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Friday 02 May 2008, Fred A. Miller wrote:
David C. Rankin wrote:
Greg Freemyer wrote:
On Mon, Feb 18, 2008 at 11:35 AM, Will Stephenson
<wstephenson@suse.de> wrote:
To make this industry scenario a little more realistic:
Importantly, the first week of April is our decision point, not deep freeze. The KDE 4 packages would continue to be updated with bulk fixes from Subversion until the end of May, and critical fixes through the RC cycle. So you'd be using what you had in your hand to sell what's coming next, not what you have in your hand.
Curious if anyone knows if the above decision was made and which way it went.
Greg
For sanity's sake let us pray that 3.x is still the default and that 4.x is an option. It would be a pity for first time users to get caught by the numerous 4.x gotchas and give up on linux because "it just doesn't work". Sure an experienced user may be able to dig through ~/.kde/share/config/ and /opt/kdeX/ and recover, but this is far beyond what anyone wanting to "try" Novell openSuSE is capable of doing.
After the 10.3 install issues and broken recover system, I sure would like to see 11.0 come out clean without any major gotchas...
Surely Novell understands that.
One can hope!! The last I looked at 4.0, (a few days ago) all the admin. stuff is missing....configurability is "gone, along with some other things!!" I do like plasma.....NICE effects! I just don't see 4.0 being ready for prime time by the end of June....UNfortunately.
Fred
-- MickySoft Aims to Lasso Everything With Live Mesh. What will get "lassoed" is your private data as hackers, virus and trojan writers have a field day!
Now you know as well as i do Fred they WILL force it out and it will be something you have to activley say no to KDE3 will get sidelined althou it blows seven kinds of **** KDE4 , Certain people have an ajenda and there aint no shifting it KDE4 May be ready by the end of the year we will still get it forced on us before hand . I installed 11B1 on the laptop KDE4 worked once then never to be seen again KDE3 works perfectly 4 just gives a black screen no matter what and also there are no errors reported ANY WHERE .. Ready My Aunt Fanny as like . -- SuSE Linux 10.3-Alpha3. (Linux is like a wigwam - no Gates, no Windows, and an Apache inside.) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
peter nikolic wrote: [snip]
Now you know as well as i do Fred they WILL force it out and it will be something you have to activley say no to KDE3 will get sidelined althou it blows seven kinds of **** KDE4 , Certain people have an ajenda and there aint no shifting it KDE4 May be ready by the end of the year we will still get it forced on us before hand.
'Sure hope not! But, strange things have happened before.
I installed 11B1 on the laptop KDE4 worked once then never to be seen again KDE3 works perfectly 4 just gives a black screen no matter what and also there are no errors reported ANY WHERE ..
Yep......it's more alpha code than beta, IMHO. I know that KUbuntu had hoped to release 8.04 with KDE 4.0, but realized that it wasn't a smart idea. They do have a release with it, but it's NOT a complete release of 4.0 by any stretch of anyone's imagination. ;) It works...for the most part, but certainly can't be used on any production box anywhere.
Ready My Aunt Fanny as like .
Hehehehehe.......yep. ;) Fred -- MickySoft Aims to Lasso Everything With Live Mesh. What will get "lassoed" is your private data as hackers, virus and trojan writers have a field day! -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Thursday 01 May 2008 00:37:50 Greg Freemyer wrote:
On Mon, Feb 18, 2008 at 11:35 AM, Will Stephenson <wstephenson@suse.de> wrote:
To make this industry scenario a little more realistic:
Importantly, the first week of April is our decision point, not deep freeze. The KDE 4 packages would continue to be updated with bulk fixes from Subversion until the end of May, and critical fixes through the RC cycle. So you'd be using what you had in your hand to sell what's coming next, not what you have in your hand.
Curious if anyone knows if the above decision was made and which way it went.
Like this: KDE 3.5.9 and KDE 4.0.4 are both offered in the installer with clear (I hope) text explaining the options available. There is no default preselected. KDE 3 and KDE 4 are coinstallable (unlike most other distros) and having made a choice at install time, you can install the other one afterwards and switch between the two until you get dizzy. Screenshot: https://bugzilla.novell.com/attachment.cgi?id=210550 Surrounding discussion: https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=379157 If you do an upgrade install, you'll get whatever you had before. Will -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Wednesday 28 May 2008 04:47, Will Stephenson wrote:
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Like this: KDE 3.5.9 and KDE 4.0.4 are both offered in the installer with clear (I hope) text explaining the options available. There is no default preselected. KDE 3 and KDE 4 are coinstallable (unlike most other distros) and having made a choice at install time, you can install the other one afterwards and switch between the two until you get dizzy.
That sound good for someone who loves KDE, would like to see what's new and improved in KDE 4 but is wary of burning bridges. And along those lines, what sort of settings / config compatibility issues might we expect if we do switch off between KDE 3 and KDE 4? Are the two wholly separate? A completely separate complement of applications and libraries using a completely non-overalapping set of configuration and settings files?
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Will
Randall Schulz -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Wednesday 28 May 2008 15:13:28 Randall R Schulz wrote:
And along those lines, what sort of settings / config compatibility issues might we expect if we do switch off between KDE 3 and KDE 4? Are the two wholly separate? A completely separate complement of applications and libraries using a completely non-overalapping set of configuration and settings files?
Just like now in 10.3, they are more or less completely separate. kde3 stores its config in .kde and kde4 in .kde4, and the applications are completely separate Anders -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Wednesday 28 May 2008 22:30:14 Anders Johansson wrote:
On Wednesday 28 May 2008 15:13:28 Randall R Schulz wrote:
And along those lines, what sort of settings / config compatibility issues might we expect if we do switch off between KDE 3 and KDE 4? Are the two wholly separate? A completely separate complement of applications and libraries using a completely non-overalapping set of configuration and settings files?
Just like now in 10.3, they are more or less completely separate. kde3 stores its config in .kde and kde4 in .kde4, and the applications are completely separate
Commit for kdeabse4-openSUSE from today: -opt-in kde3->kde4 config migration (bnc#372170) Herbert -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Wednesday 28 May 2008 23:10:07 Herbert Graeber wrote:
On Wednesday 28 May 2008 22:30:14 Anders Johansson wrote:
On Wednesday 28 May 2008 15:13:28 Randall R Schulz wrote:
And along those lines, what sort of settings / config compatibility issues might we expect if we do switch off between KDE 3 and KDE 4? Are the two wholly separate? A completely separate complement of applications and libraries using a completely non-overalapping set of configuration and settings files?
Just like now in 10.3, they are more or less completely separate. kde3 stores its config in .kde and kde4 in .kde4, and the applications are completely separate
Commit for kdeabse4-openSUSE from today:
-opt-in kde3->kde4 config migration (bnc#372170)
Right, there's a migration tool that copies your kde 3 settings in to .kde4 on first start of a kde 4 session. That means if you want to use KDE 4 apps under KDE 3 you either need to copy their settings and data by hand or login once to get the tool to run. There is no copy back in the other direction (too hard). Will
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