On Saturday 07 February 2009 19:09:22 Rajko M. wrote:

On Saturday 07 February 2009 05:22:05 am Stan Goodman wrote:

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I find that in my newly installed openSuSE v11.1 that the directory entry for gvfs is:

I am assuming that it is corrupt. What can I do to fix this?

Good question ;-)

See this thread: http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse/2009-02/msg00624.html

Here: drwx------ 2 rm users 4096 2008-11-23 20:18 .gvfs/

The symptom in that thread is identical to what I see. Two entries down in the thread is a response from Carlos (who seems not to have a screwed-up entry), who gives the content of the relevant line in his <mount> result, and who opines that the OP would see a different line. I think that is not so, because here the line is: gvfs-fuse-daemon on /home/stan/.gvfs type fuse.gvfs-fuse-daemon (rw,nosuid,node,user=stan) Which is very much like what Carlos has. I do not think the problem (whatever it is) is important here, as I am using KDE4 rather than Gnome. It is an annoyance, because it bothers e.g. the <find> command, so presumably the easiest way out is to unmount it if possible. The thread discusses how to do that. -- Stan Goodman Qiryat Tiv'on Israel -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

At 20:23:30 on Monday Monday 09 February 2009, "Carlos E. R." wrote:

On Saturday, 2009-02-07 at 17:37 +0200, Stan Goodman wrote:

(I forgot to send this email)

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entry for gvfs is:

I am assuming that it is corrupt. What can I do to fix this?

Good question ;-)

See this thread: http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse/2009-02/msg00624.html

Here: drwx------ 2 rm users 4096 2008-11-23 20:18 .gvfs/

The symptom in that thread is identical to what I see. Two entries down in the thread is a response from Carlos (who seems not to have a screwed-up entry), who gives the content of the relevant line in his <mount> result, and who opines that the OP would see a different line. I think that is not so, because here the line is:

gvfs-fuse-daemon on /home/stan/.gvfs type fuse.gvfs-fuse-daemon (rw,nosuid,node,user=stan)

Which is very much like what Carlos has.

I do not think the problem (whatever it is) is important here, as I am using KDE4 rather than Gnome. It is an annoyance, because it bothers e.g. the <find> command, so presumably the easiest way out is to unmount it if possible. The thread discusses how to do that.

I don't think you should umount it like that. I think that if you are using any (or some) gnome app then it appears, and should dissapear automatically later. Umounting it while the app that needs it is still running could have unexpected (unknown) results.

Again, I don't think I need it. I haven't used any Gnome programs, even Evolution which openSuSE seems to be pushing. On the other hand, I am becoming so discouraged with v11.1 that I am seriously considering dumping it and returning to 10.3. I haven't used any Gnome programs during the past year since I installed openSuSE, and I don't see that this will change. Besides the gvfs matter, the audio system doesn't work at all (except that it leaps into action for the audible herald when the OS starts up and again when it shuts down. The clock is screwed up in such a way that doesn't seem likely to be the result of a clumsiness of my own. The Video system has worked on one (1) website, not on any other. Importing the Kaddressbook data was a disaster (export from 10.3 as vCard, import to 11.1 as vCard sees mostly email addresses, with the rest of the data only in the individual panel at the right side). Google Earth, which is now able to "start", but was still working on painting the globe on the Welcome page twenty minutes after I started the program. That last gem seems to be the result of lack of available memory, but I don't see anything that is eating up memory. This is a Pentium4 x86_64 with 2GB of RAM, with 500MB of swapspace. Not enough, apparently. The culprit cannot be VirtualBox, because it isn't running. And many of the changes from 10.3 seem to me to be mainly for the purpose of making changes, even at the price of user convenience. And of course trying to outdo MS in glitziness. At the moment, I don't know what I want to do.

The "???" entry is weird, and must be some kind of leftover from a previous use that crashed or something.

How could that be, if there are no Gnome programs on the machine? According to what I have read, it is a utility for Gnome. I think it is best regarded as just another bug, especially since it happens to be quite ubiquitous.

The problem is that we users do not know what that thing really is and how we should handle its problems. The proper thing would be to bugzilla it. There are some entries related to it, I wrote one at least.

Yes, it is some anoyance that some tools, like find, lsof, etc, even while running as root, report they can not access that directory.

-- Cheers, Carlos E. R.

-- Stan Goodman Qiryat Tiv'on Israel -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

At 23:31:46 on Monday Monday 09 February 2009, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

* Stan Goodman [02-09-09 14:42]:

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At 20:23:30 on Monday Monday 09 February 2009, "Carlos E. R."

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The "???" entry is weird, and must be some kind of leftover from a previous use that crashed or something.

How could that be, if there are no Gnome programs on the machine? According to what I have read, it is a utility for Gnome. I think it is best regarded as just another bug, especially since it happens to be quite ubiquitous.

Have you used *firefox*? It *is* a *gnome*/*gtk* program. I believe you are focusing toooo hard on "gnome" whereas the focus should be to progams based on gtk developement platform.

Touche'. Thank you for the correction. -- Stan Goodman Qiryat Tiv'on Israel -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Rajko M. wrote:

On Monday 09 February 2009 03:46:19 pm Stan Goodman wrote:

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At 23:31:46 on Monday Monday 09 February 2009, Patrick Shanahan

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At 20:23:30 on Monday Monday 09 February 2009, "Carlos E. R."

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The "???" entry is weird, and must be some kind of leftover from a previous use that crashed or something. How could that be, if there are no Gnome programs on the machine? According to what I have read, it is a utility for Gnome. I think it is best regarded as just another bug, especially since it happens to be quite ubiquitous. Have you used *firefox*? It *is* a *gnome*/*gtk* program. I believe you are focusing toooo hard on "gnome" whereas the focus should be to

* Stan Goodman [02-09-09 14:42]: progams based on gtk developement platform. Touche'. Thank you for the correction.

Let me see what 3w has to say about:

About: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GVFS http://mail.gnome.org/archives/gtk-devel-list/2007-February/msg00062.html

Same problem: http://forums.opensuse.org/pre-release-beta/385676-opensuse-11-rc1-gvfs-perm...

linkfrom above: https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=390701 Comment #17: ... problem fixed in 11.1

link from above: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=534284

So, whoever run 11.1 should have no problems.

Just like 11.0 system running dmraid being left unbootable after addition of 11.1 to the box. That too was a B5 issue that was fixed but somehow got 'unfixed' by the time 11.1 was actually released. Stan, If it is the same issue that was addressed in the bug, the I would re-open the bug. I am still convinced that the symptoms you are seeing (the ??????) is the result of that filesystem going away while your box still has it in the mtab file. Obviously what you are dealing with is different from my samba boxes going away while my box still thinks they are mounted, but in 18 years of Unix and 9.5 years of Linux, the only time I have ever seen ????????? reflected as permission is in that scenario. Patrick makes an excellent point about less obvious processes being the potential culprit. I haven't a clue, but with the new avahi and network discovery processes introduced, the may actually be something open on the share that was unmounted that is causing the ????? panic. Like I said, I don't claim to know what it is that's doing it, but I still think you have a situation where some file or socket is open to the device and then the device goes away. I know that doesn't help you directly, but maybe someone smarter on that aspect of things can lend a little technical assistance based on the ramblings. -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. Rankin Law Firm, PLLC 510 Ochiltree Street Nacogdoches, Texas 75961 Telephone: (936) 715-9333 Facsimile: (936) 715-9339 www.rankinlawfirm.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org