[opensuse] Please! Let Me Double-Click!
Hi, Now that I'm running openSUSE 11.1 with KDE 3.5, I am also occasionally running KDE 4.1 applications (all of which were installed without any express request on my part, presumably as part of some dependency or pattern). KDE 4.1 applications have their own file save dialogs and these dialogs are defaulting to single-click navigation, which I dislike. How / where can I change this KDE 4.1 option? Randall Schulz -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Hi, On Saturday 24 January 2009, Randall R Schulz wrote:
[... Double-Click ...]
How / where can I change this KDE 4.1 option?
Select the KDE main menu -> Configure Desktop. That opens your personal settings window. Go to "Keyboard & Mouse". Now you should see the options "Double-click to open files and folders" and "Single-click to open files and folders". Tom -- Thomas Schraitle ---------------------------------------------------------------------- SUSE LINUX GmbH >o) Documentation Specialist Maxfeldstrasse 5 /\\ 90409 Nuernberg _\_v http://en.opensuse.org/Documentation_Team http://developer.novell.com/wiki/index.php/Lessons_for_Lizards http://lizards.opensuse.org/author/thomas-schraitle/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Saturday January 24 2009, Thomas Schraitle wrote:
Hi,
On Saturday 24 January 2009, Randall R Schulz wrote:
[... Double-Click ...]
How / where can I change this KDE 4.1 option?
Select the KDE main menu -> Configure Desktop. That opens your personal settings window. Go to "Keyboard & Mouse". Now you should see the options "Double-click to open files and folders" and "Single-click to open files and folders".
That only pertains to KDE 3.5 applications, and I've already changed that (right after the first time I clicked a desktop icon on the newly installed system...)
Tom
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Am Samstag, 24. Januar 2009 16:53:16 schrieb Randall R Schulz:
That only pertains to KDE 3.5 applications, and I've already changed that (right after the first time I clicked a desktop icon on the newly installed system...)
If you want to configure KDE4, use systemsettings. If you did not mess with the KDEHOME variable, systemsettings only writes into .kde4 while you run KDE4. Sven -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Saturday January 24 2009, Sven Burmeister wrote:
Am Samstag, 24. Januar 2009 16:53:16 schrieb Randall R Schulz:
That only pertains to KDE 3.5 applications, and I've already changed that (right after the first time I clicked a desktop icon on the newly installed system...)
If you want to configure KDE4, use systemsettings. If you did not mess with the KDEHOME variable, systemsettings only writes into .kde4 while you run KDE4.
There's no such program on my system. That appears to be supplied by the package kdebase4-workspace. Installing that entails the installation of 10 dependent packages. I guess I'll give it a try and hope it doesn't undermine anything else about my installation.
Sven
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That brings up a good point. On every install, I have to switch to double-click. Why is the default set to single-click ? Thanks, Duaine P.S. Maybe we need a survey and set the default based on the survey (hopefully to double-click) -- Duaine Hechler Piano, Player Piano, Pump Organ Tuning, Servicing & Rebuilding Reed Organ Society Member Florissant, MO 63034 (314) 838-5587 dahechler@att.net www.hechlerpianoandorgan.com -- Home & Business user of Linux - 10 years -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Saturday 24 January 2009 09:05:54 Duaine & Laura Hechler wrote:
That brings up a good point.
On every install, I have to switch to double-click. Why is the default set to single-click ?
Probably just Linux tradition. I prefer it enough to set up all my Windows machines at work to use single-click mousing. It annoys me when I click on something and nothing happens. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Jerry Houston wrote:
On Saturday 24 January 2009 09:05:54 Duaine & Laura Hechler wrote:
That brings up a good point.
On every install, I have to switch to double-click. Why is the default set to single-click ?
Probably just Linux tradition.
I prefer it enough to set up all my Windows machines at work to use single-click mousing. It annoys me when I click on something and nothing happens.
What bugs me with Windows is on occasion double clicking and still nothing happens. -- Use OpenOffice.org http://www.openoffice.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
* Duaine & Laura Hechler
On every install, I have to switch to double-click. Why is the default set to single-click ?
Well, the original kde designers preferred single-click. As do many of us :^).
P.S. Maybe we need a survey and set the default based on the survey (hopefully to double-click)
Not "another survey" ! -- Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA HOG # US1244711 http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://counter.li.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Am Samstag, 24. Januar 2009 18:22:58 schrieb Patrick Shanahan:
On every install, I have to switch to double-click. Why is the default set to single-click ?
I guess one of the intensions was to not copy windows. (Why would someone do twice the work [which can be a problem for older or handicaped people btw.], when I click is sufficient enough?) One could argue that selecting is more "difficult" (translated this means unused to it), but I think KDE 4 has mastered this aspect very well (especially for those older or handicaped, mentioned above). [ bla bla bla, ongoing repetative talk, probably reason for a flamewar etc., which we want to avoid ... so: ] Final conclusion: We've a free desktop environment and everyone is free to choose which style he/she want's to use :) [Problem solved - EoD] Regards Michael (Have a nice weekend)
Duaine & Laura Hechler wrote:
That brings up a good point.
On every install, I have to switch to double-click. Why is the default set to single-click ?
Thanks, Duaine
P.S. Maybe we need a survey and set the default based on the survey (hopefully to double-click)
I think doppelbock is superior to traditional bock. -- k -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Saturday January 24 2009, Randall R Schulz wrote:
On Saturday January 24 2009, Sven Burmeister wrote:
Am Samstag, 24. Januar 2009 16:53:16 schrieb Randall R Schulz:
That only pertains to KDE 3.5 applications, and I've already changed that (right after the first time I clicked a desktop icon on the newly installed system...)
If you want to configure KDE4, use systemsettings. If you did not mess with the KDEHOME variable, systemsettings only writes into .kde4 while you run KDE4.
There's no such program on my system. That appears to be supplied by the package kdebase4-workspace. Installing that entails the installation of 10 dependent packages.
I guess I'll give it a try and hope it doesn't undermine anything else about my installation.
OK. That didn't seem to upset the applecart (so far). Perhaps I can revisit the old question to which I never got an answer: What's the Gnome counterpart to the KDE4 control panel / system settings / preferences? I need to fine-tune some of the font settings that are being inherited by some GTK-based applications. Thanks. Randall Schulz -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Randall R Schulz wrote:
Perhaps I can revisit the old question to which I never got an answer: What's the Gnome counterpart to the KDE4 control panel / system settings / preferences? I need to fine-tune some of the font settings that are being inherited by some GTK-based applications.
Thanks.
Randall Schulz
Doesnt the gnome-appearance-properties application control this? At least that is what is called when I need to change gnome settings in Enlightenment. - -- ============================================================================== I have always wished that my computer would be as easy to use as my telephone. My wish has come true. I no longer know how to use my telephone. Bjarne Stroustrup ============================================================================== -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkl8PHkACgkQasN0sSnLmgKnBQCgkFjygER0N4gpGnv+FOKV7MGH VsEAniUHe2O6rScUC6/R4sHONDh+77Cr =REuW -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Sunday January 25 2009, G T Smith wrote:
Randall R Schulz wrote:
Perhaps I can revisit the old question to which I never got an answer: What's the Gnome counterpart to the KDE4 control panel / system settings / preferences? I need to fine-tune some of the font settings that are being inherited by some GTK-based applications.
Thanks.
Randall Schulz
Doesnt the gnome-appearance-properties application control this? At least that is what is called when I need to change gnome settings in Enlightenment.
Thanks. That appears to reside in the gnome-appearance-properties package. Installing it entails rather more dependencies than its KDE4 counterpart, but I'll risk it (FML...). Randall Schulz -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Sunday January 25 2009, Randall R Schulz wrote:
On Sunday January 25 2009, G T Smith wrote:
Randall R Schulz wrote:
Perhaps I can revisit the old question to which I never got an answer: What's the Gnome counterpart to the KDE4 control panel / system settings / preferences? ...
Randall Schulz
Doesnt the gnome-appearance-properties application control this? At least that is what is called when I need to change gnome settings in Enlightenment.
Thanks.
That appears to reside in the gnome-appearance-properties package. Installing it entails rather more dependencies than its KDE4 counterpart, but I'll risk it (FML...).
(I meant "FLW": Famous Last Words) Well, the first time I run that program (in any single login session), it starts with a warning alert about the gnome-settings-daemon not running. However, it does seem to record my font configuration changes in files in ~/.gconf, so I'm hoping this is enough to get what I want. Randall Schulz -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Sunday January 25 2009, Randall R Schulz wrote:
On Sunday January 25 2009, Randall R Schulz wrote:
On Sunday January 25 2009, G T Smith wrote:
Randall R Schulz wrote:
Perhaps I can revisit the old question to which I never got an answer: What's the Gnome counterpart to the KDE4 control panel / system settings / preferences? ...
Doesnt the gnome-appearance-properties application control this? At least that is what is called when I need to change gnome settings in Enlightenment. ...
That appears to reside in the gnome-appearance-properties package. Installing it entails rather more dependencies than its KDE4 counterpart, but I'll risk it (FML...).
(I meant "FLW": Famous Last Words)
And now it begins... My screen saver has been messed up. The specific screen saver has changed, DPMS no longer kicks in, though KPowersave says DPMS is enabled and when I view the screen-saver configuration, no screen savers at all are listed. Oh, joy. Randall Schulz -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Sunday January 25 2009, Randall R Schulz wrote:
On Sunday January 25 2009, Randall R Schulz wrote:
On Sunday January 25 2009, Randall R Schulz wrote:
On Sunday January 25 2009, G T Smith wrote:
...
Doesnt the gnome-appearance-properties application control this? At least that is what is called when I need to change gnome settings in Enlightenment. ...
That appears to reside in the gnome-appearance-properties package. Installing it entails rather more dependencies than its KDE4 counterpart, but I'll risk it (FML...).
(I meant "FLW": Famous Last Words)
And now it begins...
My screen saver has been messed up. The specific screen saver has changed, DPMS no longer kicks in, though KPowersave says DPMS is enabled and when I view the screen-saver configuration, no screen savers at all are listed.
Oh, joy.
I removed most of the packages that were installed by installing gnome-appearance-properties. My screen saver list has returned, as has its proper (configured) behavior. I knew that was going to be trouble... Randall Schulz -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Randall R Schulz wrote:
On Sunday January 25 2009, Randall R Schulz wrote:
On Sunday January 25 2009, Randall R Schulz wrote:
On Sunday January 25 2009, Randall R Schulz wrote:
...
Doesnt the gnome-appearance-properties application control this? At least that is what is called when I need to change gnome settings in Enlightenment. ... That appears to reside in the gnome-appearance-properties
On Sunday January 25 2009, G T Smith wrote: package. Installing it entails rather more dependencies than its KDE4 counterpart, but I'll risk it (FML...). (I meant "FLW": Famous Last Words) And now it begins...
My screen saver has been messed up. The specific screen saver has changed, DPMS no longer kicks in, though KPowersave says DPMS is enabled and when I view the screen-saver configuration, no screen savers at all are listed.
Oh, joy.
I removed most of the packages that were installed by installing gnome-appearance-properties. My screen saver list has returned, as has its proper (configured) behavior.
I knew that was going to be trouble...
Randall Schulz
Hmm... the thing does have a couple of oddities... (I have to autoload it at the beginning of every session to ensure the theme and fonts are loaded, but I suspect that is was an Enlightenment/Machine specific quirk). However, I have only ever used it for font and theme management and little else. The default screen saver manager at the moment for the Gnome config is XScreenSaver and I see a full list in that. However, I no longer use KDE and nothing is configured on that side, so any KDE/Gnome interaction would not me noticed by me. - -- ============================================================================== I have always wished that my computer would be as easy to use as my telephone. My wish has come true. I no longer know how to use my telephone. Bjarne Stroustrup ============================================================================== -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkl9ifQACgkQasN0sSnLmgI59wCg+ZuXmI85Ku7Ig5e/FIJ5ximu uiIAn1n1yPP1DWE4h3ZBopUt6VpXq2as =vCgU -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Saturday 24 January 2009 09:53:16 am Randall R Schulz wrote:
On Saturday January 24 2009, Thomas Schraitle wrote:
Hi,
On Saturday 24 January 2009, Randall R Schulz wrote:
[... Double-Click ...]
How / where can I change this KDE 4.1 option?
Select the KDE main menu -> Configure Desktop. That opens your personal settings window. Go to "Keyboard & Mouse". Now you should see the options "Double-click to open files and folders" and "Single-click to open files and folders".
That only pertains to KDE 3.5 applications, and I've already changed that (right after the first time I clicked a desktop icon on the newly installed system...)
Log in KDE4 and change that. The kcmshell4 keyboard doesn't work from KDE3 konsole. -- Regards, Rajko -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Saturday January 24 2009, Rajko M. wrote:
...
Log in KDE4 and change that.
I didn't install KDE4. I don't want to install KDE4.
...
-- Regards, Rajko
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Am Samstag, 24. Januar 2009 18:53:41 schrieb Randall R Schulz:
On Saturday January 24 2009, Rajko M. wrote:
...
Log in KDE4 and change that.
I didn't install KDE4. I don't want to install KDE4.
If you only use KDE3 applications, they should obey the KDE3 settings. So what's the problem? If you want to use KDE4 and/or its apps, you have to install it and it will obey the KDE4 settings. Sven -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Saturday January 24 2009, Sven Burmeister wrote:
Am Samstag, 24. Januar 2009 18:53:41 schrieb Randall R Schulz:
On Saturday January 24 2009, Rajko M. wrote:
...
Log in KDE4 and change that.
I didn't install KDE4. I don't want to install KDE4.
If you only use KDE3 applications, they should obey the KDE3 settings. So what's the problem? If you want to use KDE4 and/or its apps, you have to install it and it will obey the KDE4 settings.
Is it too much to ask that the very concise description of the problem I posted actually be read before an answer is proffered?
Sven
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Am Samstag, 24. Januar 2009 20:36:32 schrieb Randall R Schulz:
On Saturday January 24 2009, Sven Burmeister wrote:
Am Samstag, 24. Januar 2009 18:53:41 schrieb Randall R Schulz:
On Saturday January 24 2009, Rajko M. wrote:
...
Log in KDE4 and change that.
I didn't install KDE4. I don't want to install KDE4.
If you only use KDE3 applications, they should obey the KDE3 settings. So what's the problem? If you want to use KDE4 and/or its apps, you have to install it and it will obey the KDE4 settings.
Is it too much to ask that the very concise description of the problem I posted actually be read before an answer is proffered?
This is a thread and while there is a starter, replies always relate to the cited and hence previous of your mails. HTH Sven -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Saturday January 24 2009, Sven Burmeister wrote:
Am Samstag, 24. Januar 2009 20:36:32 schrieb Randall R Schulz:
On Saturday January 24 2009, Sven Burmeister wrote:
Am Samstag, 24. Januar 2009 18:53:41 schrieb Randall R Schulz:
On Saturday January 24 2009, Rajko M. wrote:
...
Log in KDE4 and change that.
I didn't install KDE4. I don't want to install KDE4.
If you only use KDE3 applications, they should obey the KDE3 settings. So what's the problem? If you want to use KDE4 and/or its apps, you have to install it and it will obey the KDE4 settings.
Is it too much to ask that the very concise description of the problem I posted actually be read before an answer is proffered?
This is a thread and while there is a starter, replies always relate to the cited and hence previous of your mails.
HTH
Not really. I specifically stated that I didn't install KDE 4.1 per se but did, for some reason, end up with KDE some 4.1 applications whose behavior I need to control. I did not have the necessary control panel / control center nor did I know what it was until I was informed. Note, too, that I had already declared the question answered and problem resolved when your non-sequitur arrived.
Sven
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Am Samstag, 24. Januar 2009 22:41:37 schrieb Randall R Schulz:
On Saturday January 24 2009, Sven Burmeister wrote:
Am Samstag, 24. Januar 2009 20:36:32 schrieb Randall R Schulz:
On Saturday January 24 2009, Sven Burmeister wrote:
Am Samstag, 24. Januar 2009 18:53:41 schrieb Randall R Schulz:
I didn't install KDE4. I don't want to install KDE4.
If you only use KDE3 applications, they should obey the KDE3 settings. So what's the problem? If you want to use KDE4 and/or its apps, you have to install it and it will obey the KDE4 settings.
Is it too much to ask that the very concise description of the problem I posted actually be read before an answer is proffered?
This is a thread and while there is a starter, replies always relate to the cited and hence previous of your mails.
HTH
Not really. I specifically stated that I didn't install KDE 4.1 per se but did, for some reason, end up with KDE some 4.1 applications whose behavior I need to control. I did not have the necessary control panel / control center nor did I know what it was until I was informed.
Note, too, that I had already declared the question answered and problem resolved when your non-sequitur arrived.
If you cannot distinguish between "use" and "install", too bad. But indeed, I assumed that you know how to install kde3 applications via YaST or zypper. My fault. Sven -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Saturday January 24 2009, Sven Burmeister wrote:
Am Samstag, 24. Januar 2009 22:41:37 schrieb Randall R Schulz:
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Not really. I specifically stated that I didn't install KDE 4.1 per se but did, for some reason, end up with KDE some 4.1 applications whose behavior I need to control. I did not have the necessary control panel / control center nor did I know what it was until I was informed.
Note, too, that I had already declared the question answered and problem resolved when your non-sequitur arrived.
If you cannot distinguish between "use" and "install", too bad.
I can distinguish them just fine. You're not going to get out of this by claiming that I didn't say what I meant to say or that I read your words incorrectly. The fact is that you replied without paying attention to the context that had already transpired. It is indeed "too bad" that you did that, but I'm not at fault here.
But indeed, I assumed that you know how to install kde3 applications via YaST or zypper. ...
And I do.
... My fault.
Yes, it surely is. You did not read my words: On Saturday January 24 2009, Randall R Schulz wrote:
Hi,
... I am also occasionally running KDE 4.1 applications (all of which were installed without any express request on my part, presumably as part of some dependency or pattern). ...
Please just admit you fired off an answer based on an incomplete reading of a thread. And it is not the case that this thread was long and drawn-out. Your non-sequitur reply came only three hours and six minutes after my original posting. Randall Schulz -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Am Samstag, 24. Januar 2009 23:33:31 schrieb Randall R Schulz:
I can distinguish them just fine. You're not going to get out of this by claiming that I didn't say what I meant to say or that I read your words incorrectly. The fact is that you replied without paying attention to the context that had already transpired. It is indeed "too bad" that you did that, but I'm not at fault here.
No need to. I stated: if you want to "use" and never if you want to "install", so unless you can quote me differently, I do not see why I did not pay attention. And to repeat myself again: Logic tells that if you do not want to use something and know a way to avoid it by installing the kde3 app, you do not ask questions about it. If you cannot follow that, we are indeed thinking differently about what logic is.
Please just admit you fired off an answer based on an incomplete reading of a thread. And it is not the case that this thread was long and drawn-out. Your non-sequitur reply came only three hours and six minutes after my original posting.
Please enable threading in your mail-client, then you know what mail I answered. If that still does not help I can't either, sorry. You wanted to use kde4 apps and have them work with double-click, I told you that if you want to do so, you have to install KDE4. Whether you wanted to install that KDE4 app is irrelevant because I never stated that you did so. I only assumed that you wanted to use it, since you asked about it and did not just install the KDE3 app. I know, I am repeating myself, which is why I'm going to stop pointing out the obvious, being that you and your colleague simply assumed that by me telling you to install KDE4 if you want to use KDE4 apps, was saying that you wanted to install KDE4 in the first place. I hope you get it now. I may quote myself: "If you want to use KDE4 and/or its apps, you have to install it and it will obey the KDE4 settings." A simple if-clause with "use" in the first bit and "install" in the second. BTW, you're welcome for the hint I gave you on systemsettings. A simple "thanks" would have been enough. And no, you cannot change the "Thanks" from your other reply into anything but refering to future answers regarding your Gnome issue. Sven -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Sven, Please, just admit you made a mistake and I called you on it. I do use a threaded email reader (and you can verify that by looking at the headers of the messages I send). If you had done what you're suggesting I do, you would not have sent your reply at all. Sorry, but you're wrong and it's clear from the record that your are. Have the good sense and decency to simply say "I'm sorry, I didn't read your message and the previously posted replies." and be done with it. Randall Schulz -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Am Sonntag, 25. Januar 2009 00:18:55 schrieb Randall R Schulz:
Sven,
Please, just admit you made a mistake and I called you on it.
And still no quote that proves your claim that I stated that you wanted to install KDE4 and not just use some KDE4 apps. That really says it all. I rest my case.
I do use a threaded email reader (and you can verify that by looking at the headers of the messages I send).
If you had done what you're suggesting I do, you would not have sent your reply at all.
Sorry, but you're wrong and it's clear from the record that your are. Have the good sense and decency to simply say "I'm sorry, I didn't read your message and the previously posted replies." and be done with it.
Claims somebody who does not even thank others if they give him hints - haha - you made my day. Sven -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Saturday January 24 2009, Sven Burmeister wrote:
Am Sonntag, 25. Januar 2009 00:18:55 schrieb Randall R Schulz:
Sven,
Please, just admit you made a mistake and I called you on it.
And still no quote that proves your claim ...
Read the thread. No other evidence matters.
...
Claims somebody who does not even thank others if they give him hints - haha - you made my day.
Why would I thank a non-answer that came _after_ a correct answer?
Sven
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On Saturday January 24 2009, Randall R Schulz wrote:
On Saturday January 24 2009, Sven Burmeister wrote:
...
Why would I thank a non-answer that came _after_ a correct answer?
So the irony in the end is that when I went back to see who it was that gave me the correct answer to my question it turns out it was you, Sven. I thank you for that. Randall Schulz -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Am Sonntag, 25. Januar 2009 05:35:03 schrieb Randall R Schulz:
On Saturday January 24 2009, Randall R Schulz wrote:
On Saturday January 24 2009, Sven Burmeister wrote:
...
Why would I thank a non-answer that came _after_ a correct answer?
So the irony in the end is that when I went back to see who it was that gave me the correct answer to my question it turns out it was you, Sven.
I thank you for that.
No problem, in the end it was you that answered your own mail regarding "I do not want to install KDE4" in: http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse/2009-01/msg04032.html the same way I did. You have to install it, if you want to change it. What I derived from that was: he wants to change it and did not install the kde3 equivalent although he knows how to do it. Hence he wants to use it. Thus he has to install kde4 (kdebase4), since otherwise there is no double-click for the kde4 apps he wants to use. I hope this thread really comes to an end, since people keep repeating the same allegations without being able to quote me on them. The only wrong assumptions I may have done, was that you want to use kde4 apps, since you did not install their kde3 counterpart but asked how to change the kde4 apps' behaviour. I never assumed you wanted to install KDE4 or those apps, but only pointed out that if you want to use them with double-click, you have to install KDE4. Sven -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Saturday 24 January 2009, Randall R Schulz
On Saturday January 24 2009, Sven Burmeister wrote:
Am Sonntag, 25. Januar 2009 00:18:55 schrieb Randall R Schulz:
Sven,
Please, just admit you made a mistake and I called you on it.
And still no quote that proves your claim ...
Read the thread. No other evidence matters.
As an uninterested third party that has read the thread, I'm going to have to side with Sven here, while asking that it just be dropped. -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. bss@iguanasuicide.net ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.net/ \_/
On Sunday 25 January 2009 05:01:24 Sven Burmeister wrote:
Am Samstag, 24. Januar 2009 18:53:41 schrieb Randall R Schulz:
On Saturday January 24 2009, Rajko M. wrote:
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Log in KDE4 and change that.
I didn't install KDE4. I don't want to install KDE4.
If you only use KDE3 applications, they should obey the KDE3 settings. So what's the problem? If you want to use KDE4 and/or its apps, you have to install it and it will obey the KDE4 settings.
Sven
Sven, To restate Randall's original (and clearly articulated) problem, if KDE3.5 is installed but *not* KDE4, some KDE4 applications are *still* installed. There does not appear to be any way to change the default behaviour of those KDE4 applications that are installed as part of a default KDE3.5 install on 11.0/11.1 without installing KDE4 (or at least more substantial parts of it). So stating that "if you want to use KDE4 and/or its apps" as you did above is unhelpful. Randall didn't *want* to install KDE4 applications - the installer did it for him by default... -- =================================================== Rodney Baker VK5ZTV rodney.baker@iinet.net.au ===================================================
Am Samstag, 24. Januar 2009 22:40:09 schrieb Rodney Baker:
So stating that "if you want to use KDE4 and/or its apps" as you did above is unhelpful. Randall didn't *want* to install KDE4 applications - the installer did it for him by default...
So? How did your comment help? It seems you confuse "use" and "install". I told him that if he wants to _use_ KDE4 apps with double-click, he has to install it (KDE4). As he pointed out himself, the systemsettings are part of KDE4. So without KDE4, there is no systemsettings and hence no option to set the double-clicking. I never stated that he wanted to install those apps. His questions would be pretty useless though, if he did not want to use them, because in that case he can simply install the KDE3 equivalent. Sven -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Saturday, 2009-01-24 at 23:12 +0100, Sven Burmeister wrote:
Am Samstag, 24. Januar 2009 22:40:09 schrieb Rodney Baker:
So stating that "if you want to use KDE4 and/or its apps" as you did above is unhelpful. Randall didn't *want* to install KDE4 applications - the installer did it for him by default...
So? How did your comment help? It seems you confuse "use" and "install".
I told him that if he wants to _use_ KDE4 apps with double-click, he has to install it (KDE4).
He does not want to use kde4 apps. He wants to use a kde3 app, and a kde4 app runs instead.
I never stated that he wanted to install those apps. His questions would be pretty useless though, if he did not want to use them, because in that case he can simply install the KDE3 equivalent.
How? He did not install them. He installed kde3. Those kde4 apps were forced in by Yast while requesting to install only kde3. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkl7qm0ACgkQtTMYHG2NR9XocgCghP3k8Tkla9MfXCUJLFeBL9we NYQAoIC7krETn4EQXw1WHvUIl3uI8YVY =NtBC -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Am Sonntag, 25. Januar 2009 00:55:19 schrieb Carlos E. R.:
On Saturday, 2009-01-24 at 23:12 +0100, Sven Burmeister wrote:
I told him that if he wants to _use_ KDE4 apps with double-click, he has to install it (KDE4).
He does not want to use kde4 apps. He wants to use a kde3 app, and a kde4 app runs instead.
You're a bit late, he already stated that he does know how to install kde3 apps, so if he wanted to use them, no matter whether they were installed automatically or not, he could have done. Yet he chose to use and ask about kde4 apps.
I never stated that he wanted to install those apps. His questions would be pretty useless though, if he did not want to use them, because in that case he can simply install the KDE3 equivalent.
How? He did not install them. He installed kde3. Those kde4 apps were forced in by Yast while requesting to install only kde3.
How what? How to install apps if they are not installed? He cannot install them because he did not install them? That does not make sense to me. And as stated above, he knows how to install kde3 apps, so in any case, if he wants to use them, he can just install them. If he uses kde4 apps instead, he either does not know how to install them or he does not want to use them. If he would not know how to install them and would thus be forced to work with what the installation pre-selected, you would be right though. Yet that's not the case. Sven -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Saturday January 24 2009, Sven Burmeister wrote:
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How what? How to install apps if they are not installed? He cannot install them because he did not install them? That does not make sense to me. ...
If you don't understand the exchange, perhaps you shouldn't be so strident about insisting that your answers are appropriate. They most certainly are not.
...
Sven
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On Sunday 25 January 2009, Sven Burmeister wrote:
Am Sonntag, 25. Januar 2009 00:55:19 schrieb Carlos E. R.:
On Saturday, 2009-01-24 at 23:12 +0100, Sven Burmeister wrote:
I told him that if he wants to _use_ KDE4 apps with double-click, he has to install it (KDE4).
He does not want to use kde4 apps. He wants to use a kde3 app, and a kde4 app runs instead.
You're a bit late, he already stated that he does know how to install kde3 apps, so if he wanted to use them, no matter whether they were installed automatically or not, he could have done. Yet he chose to use and ask about kde4 apps.
I never stated that he wanted to install those apps. His questions would be pretty useless though, if he did not want to use them, because in that case he can simply install the KDE3 equivalent.
How? He did not install them. He installed kde3. Those kde4 apps were forced in by Yast while requesting to install only kde3.
How what? How to install apps if they are not installed? He cannot install them because he did not install them? That does not make sense to me. And as stated above, he knows how to install kde3 apps, so in any case, if he wants to use them, he can just install them. If he uses kde4 apps instead, he either does not know how to install them or he does not want to use them.
If he would not know how to install them and would thus be forced to work with what the installation pre-selected, you would be right though. Yet that's not the case.
Sven
Sven .. You are mixing up the meanings and wording of things once again . I have kept quiet about this so far but it seems it is something you are vey good at maybe not deliberatley but still you do on a regular basis He has KDE3.xxx installed and set to DOUBLE CLICK ! BUT as is the PITA ways of 11.0 and 11.1 it also installs an amount of KDE4.xxx apps that DO NOT play by the same rules as the KDE3.xxx apps they will not obey the KDE3.xxx settings and work DOUBLE CLICK but keep on their own merry ways of SINGLE CLICK , what he wants is to know HOW to force these AUTOMATICALLY installed KDE4.xxx apps to behave correctly and use DOUBLE CLICK as there KDE3.xxx counterparts do WITHOUT INSTALLING ALL of KDE4.xxx maybe you understand now Eh!. Pete -- SuSE Linux 10.3-Alpha3. (Linux is like a wigwam - no Gates, no Windows, and an Apache inside.) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Am Sonntag, 25. Januar 2009 10:06:30 schrieb peter nikolic:
On Sunday 25 January 2009, Sven Burmeister wrote:
Am Sonntag, 25. Januar 2009 00:55:19 schrieb Carlos E. R.:
On Saturday, 2009-01-24 at 23:12 +0100, Sven Burmeister wrote:
I told him that if he wants to _use_ KDE4 apps with double-click, he has to install it (KDE4).
He does not want to use kde4 apps. He wants to use a kde3 app, and a kde4 app runs instead.
You're a bit late, he already stated that he does know how to install kde3 apps, so if he wanted to use them, no matter whether they were installed automatically or not, he could have done. Yet he chose to use and ask about kde4 apps.
I never stated that he wanted to install those apps. His questions would be pretty useless though, if he did not want to use them, because in that case he can simply install the KDE3 equivalent.
How? He did not install them. He installed kde3. Those kde4 apps were forced in by Yast while requesting to install only kde3.
How what? How to install apps if they are not installed? He cannot install them because he did not install them? That does not make sense to me. And as stated above, he knows how to install kde3 apps, so in any case, if he wants to use them, he can just install them. If he uses kde4 apps instead, he either does not know how to install them or he does not want to use them.
If he would not know how to install them and would thus be forced to work with what the installation pre-selected, you would be right though. Yet that's not the case.
Sven
Sven ..
You are mixing up the meanings and wording of things once again .
I have kept quiet about this so far but it seems it is something you are vey good at maybe not deliberatley but still you do on a regular basis
He has KDE3.xxx installed and set to DOUBLE CLICK ! BUT as is the PITA ways of 11.0 and 11.1 it also installs an amount of KDE4.xxx apps that DO NOT play by the same rules as the KDE3.xxx apps they will not obey the KDE3.xxx settings and work DOUBLE CLICK but keep on their own merry ways of SINGLE CLICK , what he wants is to know HOW to force these AUTOMATICALLY installed KDE4.xxx apps to behave correctly and use DOUBLE CLICK as there KDE3.xxx counterparts do WITHOUT INSTALLING ALL of KDE4.xxx
maybe you understand now Eh!.
Apparently you did not read the thread, otherwise you would have come across: http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse/2009-01/msg04032.html I told him he needs systemsettings (/usr/bin/systemsettings) which, as he found out is part of kdebase4, so installing it, is part of the solution he was looking for (setting double-click for kde4 apps), as there is no solution without installing it. Hence, if he wants to _use_ them with double-click he has to _install_ them. I never said he wanted to install them in the first place, but as he did not install the kde3 ones when he noticed that only the kde4 ones were installed, he wanted to use them, with double-click. And again, no matter what openSUSE installed by default, if he did not want to use it, he could have installed the kde3 apps. After that both are shown in the menu. Is that really that hard to understand. Maybe you confuse systemsettings and kcontrol. Sven -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Sunday 25 January 2009 03:06:30 am peter nikolic wrote:
Sven ..
You are mixing up the meanings and wording of things once again .
I have kept quiet about this so far but it seems it is something you are vey good at maybe not deliberatley but still you do on a regular basis
He has KDE3.xxx installed and set to DOUBLE CLICK ! BUT as is the PITA ways of 11.0 and 11.1 it also installs an amount of KDE4.xxx apps that DO NOT play by the same rules as the KDE3.xxx apps they will not obey the KDE3.xxx settings and work DOUBLE CLICK but keep on their own merry ways of SINGLE CLICK , what he wants is to know HOW to force these AUTOMATICALLY installed KDE4.xxx apps to behave correctly and use DOUBLE CLICK as there KDE3.xxx counterparts do WITHOUT INSTALLING ALL of KDE4.xxx
maybe you understand now Eh!.
Hi Pete, Many haven't noticed that Sven's answer in the second post of this thread contains solution, as Randall stated. The only problem is that his answer was short, simple advice, like many other he is giving around, but that wasn't the one Randall was looking for. If you want to have control over kde4 applications you need kde4 utility for that, which is kcmshell4. The easiest way to have it is to install kde4 desktop. The only problem was that he skipped details and said just "install kde4" which Randall refused. Following, somewhat angry response from Sven, can be understood, if you take that in his opinion he gave the answer that would help, but Randall discarded it because he did not want whole KDE4, which also can be understood. All after that is showcase of mutual non-understanding. Additional comments taking one side as correct doesn't help. IMHO, the best is to let this episode collect dust in archives. -- Regards, Rajko -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Rajko M. wrote:
On Sunday 25 January 2009 03:06:30 am peter nikolic wrote:
Sven ..
You are mixing up the meanings and wording of things once again .
I have kept quiet about this so far but it seems it is something you are vey good at maybe not deliberatley but still you do on a regular basis
He has KDE3.xxx installed and set to DOUBLE CLICK ! BUT as is the PITA ways of 11.0 and 11.1 it also installs an amount of KDE4.xxx apps that DO NOT play by the same rules as the KDE3.xxx apps they will not obey the KDE3.xxx settings and work DOUBLE CLICK but keep on their own merry ways of SINGLE CLICK , what he wants is to know HOW to force these AUTOMATICALLY installed KDE4.xxx apps to behave correctly and use DOUBLE CLICK as there KDE3.xxx counterparts do WITHOUT INSTALLING ALL of KDE4.xxx
maybe you understand now Eh!.
Hi Pete,
Many haven't noticed that Sven's answer in the second post of this thread contains solution, as Randall stated. The only problem is that his answer was short, simple advice, like many other he is giving around, but that wasn't the one Randall was looking for.
If you want to have control over kde4 applications you need kde4 utility for that, which is kcmshell4. The easiest way to have it is to install kde4 desktop. The only problem was that he skipped details and said just "install kde4" which Randall refused.
Following, somewhat angry response from Sven, can be understood, if you take that in his opinion he gave the answer that would help, but Randall discarded it because he did not want whole KDE4, which also can be understood.
All after that is showcase of mutual non-understanding. Additional comments taking one side as correct doesn't help. IMHO, the best is to let this episode collect dust in archives.
While I agree with the general thrust of your last paragraph, there is one aspect of this which has to mentioned - as I have already mentioned in other posts over time, namely that people who do not have English as their first language -- and you must remember that this list *is* specifically aimed at the English speaking - that such people using this forum should be careful about what they say and how they say it. I am *not* saying that those who do have English as their first language are *perfect* at its use - and I am one of them (even though my first languages were Russian/Mandarin/English, in that mix); and it is often quite challenging to read and understand what is stated. Nor am I stating that people who don't have English as their first language should not post here- far from it. However, if I spoke/wrote a little bit of Urdu I would not enter into a slinging match with someone in a forum predominantly used by Urdu speaking people. To give a small example of what someone who is supposed to have compete control over *English* because s/he is a journalist, here is something I read recently locally, "The ******* was charged with ***** the [person], who cannot be named, just before Christmas." What does this sentence actually mean? Was "the [person], who cannot be named, "****" "just before Christmas"? Or was "The ******" "charged" "just before Christmas" "with ********* the [person]"? In reality, the sentence, to convey the exact situation and without any ambiguity should have been written by the journo, or at least amended by the editor, to read, "The ***** was charged just before Christmas with ***** the [person], who cannot be named." Ciao. -- "I do not instruct the uninterested; I do not help those who fail to try. If I mention one corner of a subject and the pupil does not deduce therefrom the other three, I drop him." Confucius -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Sunday, 2009-01-25 at 23:22 +1100, Basil Chupin wrote:
Rajko M. wrote:
All after that is showcase of mutual non-understanding. Additional comments taking one side as correct doesn't help. IMHO, the best is to let this episode collect dust in archives.
While I agree with the general thrust of your last paragraph, there is one aspect of this which has to mentioned - as I have already mentioned in other posts over time, namely that people who do not have English as their first language -- and you must remember that this list *is* specifically aimed at the English speaking - that such people using this forum should be careful about what they say and how they say it.
Hum! I must disagree. I can't consider this list specifically aimed to the English speaking people, but to them and to the people who are not English speaking people, but who use English as a medium to communicate with other people that have a different language than their own - be it English, French, Russian, Chinese... English is used as an international exchange language, by others and by the Linux community. It could be any other another language. It could be Esperanto, or the previous interchange language, French. But it is not. Thus I can not accept this list to be claimed to be "owned" by English only speakers. And in the same way that I have to accept that domestic USA issues pop in here (they form the majority of users here, probably), you have to accept and make an effort to communicate with people that don't write correct English. We all have, both English speaking and non English speaking people.
I am *not* saying that those who do have English as their first language are *perfect* at its use - and I am one of them (even though my first languages were Russian/Mandarin/English, in that mix); and it is often quite challenging to read and understand what is stated. Nor am I stating that people who don't have English as their first language should not post here- far from it. However, if I spoke/wrote a little bit of Urdu I would not enter into a slinging match with someone in a forum predominantly used by Urdu speaking people.
To give a small example of what someone who is supposed to have compete control over *English* because s/he is a journalist, here is something I read recently locally, "The ******* was charged with ***** the [person], who cannot be named, just before Christmas."
What does this sentence actually mean?
It is usually considered that USA journalists use English differently, specially on the headlines. I can't often understand them.
Was "the [person], who cannot be named, "****" "just before Christmas"?
Or was "The ******" "charged" "just before Christmas" "with ********* the [person]"?
In reality, the sentence, to convey the exact situation and without any ambiguity should have been written by the journo, or at least amended by the editor, to read, "The ***** was charged just before Christmas with ***** the [person], who cannot be named."
Right. So, if some person writes something that we don't understand, we can ask that person to explain again, or just ignore it if we are busy or don't feel too kind at the moment >:-) - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkl8aJ8ACgkQtTMYHG2NR9XSOwCZASdvoa7Z1GpwgbtLmzOiw7EB GZoAnA0JnAQQ6ClOZCkNCCsYRyB/xg6E =0YT6 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Carlos E. R. wrote:
On Sunday, 2009-01-25 at 23:22 +1100, Basil Chupin wrote:
Rajko M. wrote:
All after that is showcase of mutual non-understanding. Additional comments taking one side as correct doesn't help. IMHO, the best is to let this episode collect dust in archives.
While I agree with the general thrust of your last paragraph, there is one aspect of this which has to mentioned - as I have already mentioned in other posts over time, namely that people who do not have English as their first language -- and you must remember that this list *is* specifically aimed at the English speaking - that such people using this forum should be careful about what they say and how they say it.
Hum!
I must disagree.
I can't consider this list specifically aimed to the English speaking people, but to them and to the people who are not English speaking people, but who use English as a medium to communicate with other people that have a different language than their own - be it English, French, Russian, Chinese... English is used as an international exchange language, by others and by the Linux community. It could be any other another language. It could be Esperanto, or the previous interchange language, French. But it is not.
Exactly, it is not French or Russian or Chinese or Esperanto -- but English is the language/medium which is used in this forum.....
Thus I can not accept this list to be claimed to be "owned" by English only speakers.
.......and I do not, nor will claim, that it is a forum owned by English only speaking people.
And in the same way that I have to accept that domestic USA issues pop in here (they form the majority of users here, probably), you have to accept and make an effort to communicate with people that don't write correct English. We all have, both English speaking and non English speaking people.
No argument with this as I indicate below.
I am *not* saying that those who do have English as their first language are *perfect* at its use - and I am one of them (even though my first languages were Russian/Mandarin/English, in that mix); and it is often quite challenging to read and understand what is stated. Nor am I stating that people who don't have English as their first language should not post here- far from it. However, if I spoke/wrote a little bit of Urdu I would not enter into a slinging match with someone in a forum predominantly used by Urdu speaking people.
To give a small example of what someone who is supposed to have compete control over *English* because s/he is a journalist, here is something I read recently locally, "The ******* was charged with ***** the [person], who cannot be named, just before Christmas."
What does this sentence actually mean?
It is usually considered that USA journalists use English differently, specially on the headlines. I can't often understand them.
I wouldn't really worry about this: Dubya had problems with the language big time :-D .
Was "the [person], who cannot be named, "****" "just before Christmas"?
Or was "The ******" "charged" "just before Christmas" "with ********* the [person]"?
In reality, the sentence, to convey the exact situation and without any ambiguity should have been written by the journo, or at least amended by the editor, to read, "The ***** was charged just before Christmas with ***** the [person], who cannot be named."
Right. So, if some person writes something that we don't understand, we can ask that person to explain again, or just ignore it if we are busy or don't feel too kind at the moment >:-)
'Exactimo' (or whatever the expression is), but not get into a slinging match.
-- Cheers, Carlos E. R.
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I wonder where the moderators are? This thread has turned into a pissing match. I wonder what the newbies that have read this thread think about us. There are so many stuck up Linux gurus, and while we may not be that here, we are damn sure giving anyone new that impression arguing pointlessly like this. I found this webcomic that sums it up the best: http://xkcd.com/386/ Now, some interesting info has been provided here, so it's not a total loss. It's almost as bad as the KDE3 vs KDE4 threads we used to have tho. Anyway, just my not to humble opinion. Have fun!(which is what all this is supposed to be about anyway). -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Larry Stotler wrote:
I wonder where the moderators are? This thread has turned into a pissing match. I wonder what the newbies that have read this thread think about us. There are so many stuck up Linux gurus, and while we may not be that here, we are damn sure giving anyone new that impression arguing pointlessly like this.
I found this webcomic that sums it up the best:
I *hate* it when something serious is being trivialised! :-) :-) :-) Ciao. -- "I do not instruct the uninterested; I do not help those who fail to try. If I mention one corner of a subject and the pupil does not deduce therefrom the other three, I drop him." Confucius -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Sunday January 25 2009, Basil Chupin wrote:
Larry Stotler wrote:
I wonder where the moderators are? ...
I found this webcomic that sums it up the best:
I *hate* it when something serious is being trivialised!
:-) :-) :-)
Ciao.
Hah! Someone referred me to that one in a thread _on the XKCD Forums_! RRS -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Basil Chupin wrote:
Thus I can not accept this list to be claimed to be "owned" by English only speakers.
.......and I do not, nor will claim, that it is a forum owned by English only speaking people.
There are apparently some Australian speakers here too. ;-) -- Use OpenOffice.org http://www.openoffice.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Monday, 2009-01-26 at 01:01 +1100, Basil Chupin wrote: ...
.......and I do not, nor will claim, that it is a forum owned by English only speaking people.
Sorry, I missunderstood you then. O:-) - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkl9KuIACgkQtTMYHG2NR9USTACfXpgz/ugerBQa8x+kmOtLZaZx Z8wAnRZJiPPCEpoqztMQrc+iIBBglI9q =a/i5 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Carlos E. R. wrote:
On Monday, 2009-01-26 at 01:01 +1100, Basil Chupin wrote:
...
.......and I do not, nor will claim, that it is a forum owned by English only speaking people.
Sorry, I missunderstood you then. O:-)
:-X :-)
-- Cheers, Carlos E. R.
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On Sunday 25 January 2009 13:22:28 Basil Chupin wrote:
I am *not* saying that those who do have English as their first language are *perfect* at its use
As well you should not. Native speakers are often the worst at proper usage.
To give a small example of what someone who is supposed to have compete control over *English* because s/he is a journalist,
Ah, nostalgia. Journalists today don't care about language use. In many cases I even doubt they would know the correct forms if their lives depended on it In any case, don't you think this thread has gone on long enough now? If you guys want to continue discussing, take it to opensuse-offtopic. Anders -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Anders Johansson wrote:
On Sunday 25 January 2009 13:22:28 Basil Chupin wrote:
I am *not* saying that those who do have English as their first language are *perfect* at its use
As well you should not. Native speakers are often the worst at proper usage.
To give a small example of what someone who is supposed to have compete control over *English* because s/he is a journalist,
Ah, nostalgia. Journalists today don't care about language use. In many cases I even doubt they would know the correct forms if their lives depended on it
In any case, don't you think this thread has gone on long enough now? If you guys want to continue discussing, take it to opensuse-offtopic.
Anders
As you kindly already have done :-) . Ciao. -- "I do not instruct the uninterested; I do not help those who fail to try. If I mention one corner of a subject and the pupil does not deduce therefrom the other three, I drop him." Confucius -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Sunday 25 January 2009, Rajko M. wrote:
On Sunday 25 January 2009 03:06:30 am peter nikolic wrote:
Hi Pete,
Many haven't noticed that Sven's answer in the second post of this thread contains solution, as Randall stated. The only problem is that his answer was short, simple advice, like many other he is giving around, but that wasn't the one Randall was looking for.
If you want to have control over kde4 applications you need kde4 utility for that, which is kcmshell4. The easiest way to have it is to install kde4 desktop. The only problem was that he skipped details and said just "install kde4" which Randall refused.
Following, somewhat angry response from Sven, can be understood, if you take that in his opinion he gave the answer that would help, but Randall discarded it because he did not want whole KDE4, which also can be understood.
All after that is showcase of mutual non-understanding. Additional comments taking one side as correct doesn't help. IMHO, the best is to let this episode collect dust in archives.
-- Regards, Rajko
Hi Rajko. I had not seen his second reply yet .. ok well at least it is sorted now . It is to be expected i guess but we do seem to get a lot of mix up's over the way things are written and the exact meanings of each comment still nothing can be perfect Pete . -- SuSE Linux 10.3-Alpha3. (Linux is like a wigwam - no Gates, no Windows, and an Apache inside.) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Saturday January 24 2009, Carlos E. R. wrote:
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He does not want to use kde4 apps. He wants to use a kde3 app, and a kde4 app runs instead.
Actually, no. There are a few apps (Akregator being the one that led to the original post in this thread) for which I have both the KDE3 and KDE4.1 versions installed and before I noticed the duplication I ended up running the 4.1 version.
I never stated that he wanted to install those apps. His questions would be pretty useless though, if he did not want to use them, because in that case he can simply install the KDE3 equivalent.
How? He did not install them. He installed kde3. Those kde4 apps were forced in by Yast while requesting to install only kde3.
Yes. They did come unbidden. While the "look and feel" of KDE4 vs. KDE3 is clear and not something about which I have a strong opinion, I'm as-yet uncertain about the more important matter of their functionality. So I'm using some of the 4.1 versions for now. And while that is so, I need to control some of the KDE4 behaviors (single-click link activation being the case in point) to make that practical for me.
-- Cheers, Carlos E. R.
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On Sat, 2009-01-24 at 19:31 +0100, Sven Burmeister wrote:
Am Samstag, 24. Januar 2009 18:53:41 schrieb Randall R Schulz:
On Saturday January 24 2009, Rajko M. wrote:
...
Log in KDE4 and change that.
I didn't install KDE4. I don't want to install KDE4.
If you only use KDE3 applications, they should obey the KDE3 settings. So what's the problem? If you want to use KDE4 and/or its apps, you have to install it and it will obey the KDE4 settings.
As Randall noted, some KDE4 stuff is installed when only KDE3.5 is selected as the desk top. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Sat, Jan 24, 2009 at 9:58 PM, Mike McMullin
As Randall noted, some KDE4 stuff is installed when only KDE3.5 is selected as the desk top.
Yep. Same thing happened in 11.0. When I brought this up, I got a lot of suprised responses from the devs. The only thing that comes to mid was the games, but there were other apps as well. That's why I'm not bothering with 11.1. I will wait and see what happens with 11.2. I've spent too much time getting 11.0 the way I want it, and the few times I've installed 11.1, I've had problems. Like selecting KDE3 and getting TinyWM...... -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Am Sonntag, 25. Januar 2009 03:58:02 schrieb Mike McMullin:
If you only use KDE3 applications, they should obey the KDE3 settings. So what's the problem? If you want to use KDE4 and/or its apps, you have to install it and it will obey the KDE4 settings.
As Randall noted, some KDE4 stuff is installed when only KDE3.5 is selected as the desk top.
I know. Yet he could just install the kde3 apps after the installation finished, if he did not want to use them. Am I wrong? Sven -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Sven Burmeister wrote:
Am Sonntag, 25. Januar 2009 03:58:02 schrieb Mike McMullin:
If you only use KDE3 applications, they should obey the KDE3 settings. So what's the problem? If you want to use KDE4 and/or its apps, you have to install it and it will obey the KDE4 settings.
As Randall noted, some KDE4 stuff is installed when only KDE3.5 is selected as the desk top.
I know. Yet he could just install the kde3 apps after the installation finished, if he did not want to use them. Am I wrong?
Yes, absolutely and without a shadow of a doubt you are wrong. Read what you wrote: "Yet he could just install the kde3 apps *after* the installation finished, if he did *not* want to use them." (my emphasis). The reread what Randall wrote in his OP. Give it a rest. Take a (long) vacation. It would also be of interest to many of us what your association with KDE/openSUSE/Novell is as you seem to be someone employed in one of the PR department to throw doubt on the integrity of anyone questioning even remotely the "virtues" of KDE4. So, own up: what is your position in the scheme of things- a KDE zealot or developer or a PR man? Ciao. -- "I do not instruct the uninterested; I do not help those who fail to try. If I mention one corner of a subject and the pupil does not deduce therefrom the other three, I drop him." Confucius -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Am Sonntag, 25. Januar 2009 11:44:53 schrieb Basil Chupin:
Sven Burmeister wrote:
Am Sonntag, 25. Januar 2009 03:58:02 schrieb Mike McMullin:
If you only use KDE3 applications, they should obey the KDE3 settings. So what's the problem? If you want to use KDE4 and/or its apps, you have to install it and it will obey the KDE4 settings.
As Randall noted, some KDE4 stuff is installed when only KDE3.5 is selected as the desk top.
I know. Yet he could just install the kde3 apps after the installation finished, if he did not want to use them. Am I wrong?
Yes, absolutely and without a shadow of a doubt you are wrong.
Read what you wrote: "Yet he could just install the kde3 apps *after* the installation finished, if he did *not* want to use them." (my emphasis).
The reread what Randall wrote in his OP.
You do realise though that there were more mails on this thread before that post and that in one of them I gave him the answer to his OP and before he wrote: "I didn't install KDE4. I don't want to install KDE4." Don't try too hard, it will just make you fail.
Give it a rest.
Take a (long) vacation.
It would also be of interest to many of us what your association with KDE/openSUSE/Novell is as you seem to be someone employed in one of the PR department to throw doubt on the integrity of anyone questioning even remotely the "virtues" of KDE4.
So, own up: what is your position in the scheme of things- a KDE zealot or developer or a PR man?
Due to your history on this list and attitude, to be polite, I promised to not feed you. Just a hint: It's all in your head! Conspiracy, conspiracy! Sven -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Sven Burmeister wrote:
Am Sonntag, 25. Januar 2009 11:44:53 schrieb Basil Chupin:
Sven Burmeister wrote:
Am Sonntag, 25. Januar 2009 03:58:02 schrieb Mike McMullin:
If you only use KDE3 applications, they should obey the KDE3 settings. So what's the problem? If you want to use KDE4 and/or its apps, you have to install it and it will obey the KDE4 settings.
As Randall noted, some KDE4 stuff is installed when only KDE3.5 is selected as the desk top.
I know. Yet he could just install the kde3 apps after the installation finished, if he did not want to use them. Am I wrong?
Yes, absolutely and without a shadow of a doubt you are wrong.
Read what you wrote: "Yet he could just install the kde3 apps *after* the installation finished, if he did *not* want to use them." (my emphasis).
The reread what Randall wrote in his OP.
You do realise though that there were more mails on this thread before that post and that in one of them I gave him the answer to his OP and before he wrote: "I didn't install KDE4. I don't want to install KDE4." Don't try too hard, it will just make you fail.
Oh my aching backside. You simply just don't get it do you? I really do not give a tinker's cuss about , "that there were more mails on this thread before that post and that in one of them I gave him the answer to his OP and before he wrote:". Stop sidetracking the issue and respond to what the above is all about: "Yet he could just install the kde3 apps *after* the installation finished, if he did *not* want to use them." is what you wrote. The "kde3" apps were **already** installed, installed during the installation of oS11.1 and therefore there was no need to install them "*after* the installation was finished". The OP clearly states that he installed *KDE3* - repeat, KDE3 - and not KDE4 but you insist on stating that he should install "kde3 apps _after_ the installation finished". But some KDE4 apps did also install without him selecting them for installation. But these are KDE4 apps. Not KDE3 apps which were already installed because this is what he wanted to install! Here is what was plainly written in the first message in this thread by OP: QUOTE Hi, Now that I'm running openSUSE 11.1 with KDE 3.5, I am also occasionally running KDE 4.1 applications (all of which were installed without any express request on my part, presumably as part of some dependency or pattern). KDE 4.1 applications have their own file save dialogs and these dialogs are defaulting to single-click navigation, which I dislike. How / where can I change this KDE 4.1 option? UNQUOTE
Give it a rest.
Take a (long) vacation.
It would also be of interest to many of us what your association with KDE/openSUSE/Novell is as you seem to be someone employed in one of the PR department to throw doubt on the integrity of anyone questioning even remotely the "virtues" of KDE4.
So, own up: what is your position in the scheme of things- a KDE zealot or developer or a PR man?
Due to your history on this list and attitude,
Aha! "a history", and then there is an "attitude" no less! Care to explain in detail what you just stated, or would you prefer to hide behind the traditional escape mechanism that of the "Italian suppository"?
to be polite,
I am also being polite.
I promised to not feed you
A MOST interesting comment! A comment worthy of being restated: "I promised to not feed you." WHO did you promise to "not feed [me]", hmmm? Do me a big favour, humour me - and others - by answering the questions I asked above.
. Just a hint: It's all in your head! Conspiracy, conspiracy!
Then why write, "I promised to not feed you." I ask, who did you promise? Or is the "I promised" thing all in YOUR mind? Just asking.....
Sven
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On Sunday 25 January 2009 4:44:53 am Basil Chupin wrote:
So, own up: what is your position in the scheme of things- a KDE zealot or developer or a PR man?
Is there some sort of contest to see how ugly people can be to each other? Were you all raised by wolves or didn't your mothers teach you better than this? I've seen children with more maturity than anyone involved in this argument is showing. Please, people. Are your lives so easy that you don't already have enough crap happening? I don't know about you, but I get enough drama in my life and I really don't think this is the place for it. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Constantinos Maltezos wrote:
On Sunday 25 January 2009 4:44:53 am Basil Chupin wrote:
So, own up: what is your position in the scheme of things- a KDE zealot or developer or a PR man?
Is there some sort of contest to see how ugly people can be to each other? Were you all raised by wolves or didn't your mothers teach you better than this?
I've seen children with more maturity than anyone involved in this argument is showing. Please, people. Are your lives so easy that you don't already have enough crap happening? I don't know about you, but I get enough drama in my life and I really don't think this is the place for it.
It is a simple, straightforward question with no malice in mind but with the need to satisfy a curiosity of who people are dealing with who gives the impression of crapping on anyone who questions some aspect of KDE(4). No 'contests', no 'ugliness', no 'dramas', no "crap happening(s)". Ciao. -- "I do not instruct the uninterested; I do not help those who fail to try. If I mention one corner of a subject and the pupil does not deduce therefrom the other three, I drop him." Confucius -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Saturday 24 January 2009 11:53:41 am Randall R Schulz wrote:
On Saturday January 24 2009, Rajko M. wrote:
...
Log in KDE4 and change that.
I didn't install KDE4. I don't want to install KDE4.
OK. OK. I have it installed, so for me it is either way. BTW, it is not 'kcmshell4 keyboard' that module requires root access, but module doesn't report that, just silently doesn't start. It is: kcmshell4 mouse which will start module that is responsible for single/double click setting, etc. If you need more settings 'kcmshell4 --list' and guess. -- Regards, Rajko -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Sat, 2009-01-24 at 07:25 -0800, Randall R Schulz wrote:
KDE 4.1 applications have their own file save dialogs and these dialogs are defaulting to single-click navigation, which I dislike.
How / where can I change this KDE 4.1 option?
Randall, Configure Desktop/System Settings/Computer Administration Keyboard & Mouse/Icons/ and check "Double-click to open files and folders" -=terry(Denver)=- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Saturday January 24 2009, Teruel de Campo MD wrote:
On Sat, 2009-01-24 at 07:25 -0800, Randall R Schulz wrote:
KDE 4.1 applications have their own file save dialogs and these dialogs are defaulting to single-click navigation, which I dislike.
How / where can I change this KDE 4.1 option?
Randall,
Configure Desktop/System Settings/Computer Administration Keyboard & Mouse/Icons/ and check "Double-click to open files and folders"
See my reply to Thomas. RRS -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Saturday, 2009-01-24 at 07:25 -0800, Randall R Schulz wrote:
Now that I'm running openSUSE 11.1 with KDE 3.5, I am also occasionally running KDE 4.1 applications (all of which were installed without any express request on my part, presumably as part of some dependency or pattern).
I know that your question has been answered, but I have an idea. It is possible that you have the same app installed in the kde4 and kde3 versions, but the kde4 is first in the path. I know this happens in 11.0, where if call "konqueror" I get the 4 version, and to get the kde3 version I have to explicitly call "/opt/kde3/bin/konqueror". - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkl7rO4ACgkQtTMYHG2NR9WmmgCglpPFapTKCaChnEvo5O/pasQC zc4AoJhjPWEsIAg5B2UY1Ii2dqUdjmuv =15R7 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Saturday January 24 2009, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On Saturday, 2009-01-24 at 07:25 -0800, Randall R Schulz wrote:
Now that I'm running openSUSE 11.1 with KDE 3.5, I am also occasionally running KDE 4.1 applications (all of which were installed without any express request on my part, presumably as part of some dependency or pattern).
I know that your question has been answered, but I have an idea.
It is possible that you have the same app installed in the kde4 and kde3 versions, but the kde4 is first in the path. I know this happens in 11.0, where if call "konqueror" I get the 4 version, and to get the kde3 version I have to explicitly call "/opt/kde3/bin/konqueror".
In fact, this is so. I have two versions of Akregator. Since I had "issues" with Akregator 3.5 in my previous SuSE Linux 10.0 system, I figured I'd give the 4.1 version a try on my openSUSE 11.1 installation. But I really don't like having a single click on a folder in a file-save dialog take me into that directory, so I asked about how I could change that option. Installing kdebase4-workspace supplied the "systemsettings" application I needed to change the "Single-click to open files and folders" option to my preferred "Double-click to open files and folders."
-- Cheers, Carlos E. R.
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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Saturday, 2009-01-24 at 16:25 -0800, Randall R Schulz wrote:
Installing kdebase4-workspace supplied the "systemsettings" application I needed to change the "Single-click to open files and folders" option to my preferred "Double-click to open files and folders."
I'll save this for future reference: I also prefer double clicking. I'm used to click to select and double click to open. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkl7tOwACgkQtTMYHG2NR9WEGQCfaJwmLmHsJEyCshLw+41x6CiR vz0AoJN4MVeT/+oMZ8xWPtBrjx9WoK93 =Kw1v -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 2009/01/24 07:25 (GMT-0800) Randall R Schulz composed:
Now that I'm running openSUSE 11.1 with KDE 3.5, I am also occasionally running KDE 4.1 applications (all of which were installed without any express request on my part, presumably as part of some dependency or pattern). KDE 4.1 applications have their own file save dialogs and these dialogs are defaulting to single-click navigation, which I dislike.
How / where can I change this KDE 4.1 option?
To this point, I've read the whole thread through Sven's Sun, 25 Jan 2009 00:33:07 +0100 post. Upon reading all but the last two, I booted up the only system I have here that has 100% KDE4, a Mandriva Cooker system last updated 7 Oct 2008. I booted runlevel 3, deleted ~/.kde and ~/.kde4, then did startx; konsole; systemsettings, and went to keyboard/mouse settings. Its default was 2 clicks. I closed systemsettings and konsole and logged out. Then I renamed ~/.kde and ~/.kde4 to ~/.kde-double and ~/.kde4-double, then did startx; konsole; systemsettings, went to keyboard/mouse settings, changed from 2 clicks to single, saved, closed systemsettings & Konsole, logged out, and renamed~/.kde and ~/.kde4 to ~/.kde-single and ~/.kde4-single. Last I compared the contents of those renamed directory trees. Looks like if Cooker works like 11.1, the answer you want, as long as you don't want to install enough of KDE4 to have a /usr/bin/systemsettings to run, is to in ~/.kde4/share/config/kdeglobals change from SingleClick=true to SingleClick=false. PS - I think Sven probably owes an apology to Randall about his responses in this thread. -- "Train a child in the way he should go, and when he is old he will not turn from it." Proverbs 22:6 NIV Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Am Sonntag, 25. Januar 2009 01:10:42 schrieb Felix Miata:
On 2009/01/24 07:25 (GMT-0800) Randall R Schulz composed:
Now that I'm running openSUSE 11.1 with KDE 3.5, I am also occasionally running KDE 4.1 applications (all of which were installed without any express request on my part, presumably as part of some dependency or pattern). KDE 4.1 applications have their own file save dialogs and these dialogs are defaulting to single-click navigation, which I dislike.
How / where can I change this KDE 4.1 option?
To this point, I've read the whole thread through Sven's Sun, 25 Jan 2009 00:33:07 +0100 post. Upon reading all but the last two, I booted up the only system I have here that has 100% KDE4, a Mandriva Cooker system last updated 7 Oct 2008. I booted runlevel 3, deleted ~/.kde and ~/.kde4, then did startx; konsole; systemsettings, and went to keyboard/mouse settings. Its default was 2 clicks. I closed systemsettings and konsole and logged out. Then I renamed ~/.kde and ~/.kde4 to ~/.kde-double and ~/.kde4-double, then did startx; konsole; systemsettings, went to keyboard/mouse settings, changed from 2 clicks to single, saved, closed systemsettings & Konsole, logged out, and renamed~/.kde and ~/.kde4 to ~/.kde-single and ~/.kde4-single. Last I compared the contents of those renamed directory trees.
Looks like if Cooker works like 11.1, the answer you want, as long as you don't want to install enough of KDE4 to have a /usr/bin/systemsettings to run, is to in ~/.kde4/share/config/kdeglobals change from SingleClick=true to SingleClick=false.
Please quote me, if I said anything different. If you do not want to use kde4 apps, you can install the kde3 apps, which he did not do, although he can do it, as he said himself. So, if you read http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse/2009-01/msg04032.html , I gave him the answer you lined out in your email, i.e. you need systemsettings to change the behaviour. So, in order to change it, you have to install kde4, i.e. kdebase4. If you do not want to change it or do not want to use the apps, you have to install the kde3 apps.
PS - I think Sven probably owes an apology to Randall about his responses in this thread.
Sure, if you can quote me telling him that he wanted to install KDE4 apps or in case he does not know how to install kde3 apps. None of which is true. Sven -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 2009/01/25 11:08 (GMT+0100) Sven Burmeister composed:
Am Sonntag, 25. Januar 2009 01:10:42 schrieb Felix Miata:
Looks like if Cooker works like 11.1, the answer you want, as long as you don't want to install enough of KDE4 to have a /usr/bin/systemsettings to run, is to in ~/.kde4/share/config/kdeglobals change from SingleClick=true to SingleClick=false.
Please quote me, if I said anything different. If you do not want to use kde4 apps, you can install the kde3 apps, which he did not do, although he can do it, as he said himself.
Those two sentences have not one thing to do with anything I wrote in this thread.
So, if you read http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse/2009-01/msg04032.html , I gave him the answer you lined out in your email,
Actually your answer is in http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse/2009-01/msg04030.html . Above you quoted his reply to your response.
i.e. you need systemsettings to change the behaviour.
Actually that's false, as you agreed in http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse/2009-01/msg04102.html in response to http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse/2009-01/msg04094.html which is a duplication of my Sat, 24 Jan 2009 19:10:42 -0500 thread reply from nearly 9 hours previous that you quote above. What one can do by direct editing of a config file negates a requirement for an application (systemsettings in this case) that performs the same task.
So, in order to change it, you have to install kde4, i.e. kdebase4. If you do not want to change it or do not want to use the apps, you have to install the kde3 apps.
PS - I think Sven probably owes an apology to Randall about his responses in this thread.
Sure, if you can quote me telling him that he wanted to install KDE4 apps or in case he does not know how to install kde3 apps. None of which is true.
The apology would be about: 1-your subsequent insistence that systemsettings is a requirement, since systemsettings is merely a member of a set constituted of more than one member 2-your attitude, as reflected in and by your many unhelpful subsequent thread responses -- "Train a child in the way he should go, and when he is old he will not turn from it." Proverbs 22:6 NIV Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Saturday 24 January 2009 9:25:54 am Randall R Schulz wrote:
Hi,
Now that I'm running openSUSE 11.1 with KDE 3.5, I am also occasionally running KDE 4.1 applications (all of which were installed without any express request on my part, presumably as part of some dependency or pattern). KDE 4.1 applications have their own file save dialogs and these dialogs are defaulting to single-click navigation, which I dislike.
How / where can I change this KDE 4.1 option?
Wow. What a hullabaloo you've gotten as a response. Try this: Create or edit the file ~/.kde4/share/config/kdeglobals Look for or create a section that starts with [KDE] on a single line by itself. Edit or add the following line: SingleClick=false That should do it. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Am Sonntag, 25. Januar 2009 11:03:37 schrieb Constantinos Maltezos:
Wow. What a hullabaloo you've gotten as a response.
Try this:
Create or edit the file ~/.kde4/share/config/kdeglobals
Look for or create a section that starts with [KDE] on a single line by itself. Edit or add the following line:
SingleClick=false
That should do it.
Indeed, that's the non-GUI way. So if people are not afraid of editing config- files, that's a solution too. Sven -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Sunday, 2009-01-25 at 04:03 -0600, Constantinos Maltezos wrote:
Try this:
Create or edit the file ~/.kde4/share/config/kdeglobals
Look for or create a section that starts with [KDE] on a single line by itself. Edit or add the following line:
SingleClick=false
That should do it.
Fantastic! I'm saving this trick. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkl8UYsACgkQtTMYHG2NR9XP0gCdGxsf2sWz0Rd36u1DN1m0GlaN La8AoIof1PaDiNEPsSSOqTV8uuGsIyzC =dygI -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 2009/01/25 012:48 (GMT+0100) Carlos E. R. composed:
On Sunday, 2009-01-25 at 04:03 -0600, Constantinos Maltezos wrote:
Try this:
Create or edit the file ~/.kde4/share/config/kdeglobals
Look for or create a section that starts with [KDE] on a single line by itself. Edit or add the following line:
SingleClick=false
That should do it.
Fantastic!
Probably an overstatement. :-)
I'm saving this trick.
It's no trick. Most of Linux configuration lives in plain text files, making them accessible to anyone and everyone who understands text editing and the docs describing the supported content of those files. OTOH, to claim a need to install some app and 10 or more deps just to change one line in a text file is little short of ludicrous. -- "Train a child in the way he should go, and when he is old he will not turn from it." Proverbs 22:6 NIV Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Sunday 25 January 2009 1:13:55 pm Felix Miata wrote:
I'm saving this trick.
It's no trick. Most of Linux configuration lives in plain text files, making them accessible to anyone and everyone who understands text editing and the docs describing the supported content of those files. OTOH, to claim a need to install some app and 10 or more deps just to change one line in a text file is little short of ludicrous.
Agreed. I should have read this thread sooner. But why didn't someone who pays more attention than I do suggest the config file? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 2009/01/25 13:58 (GMT-0600) Constantinos Maltezos composed:
On Sunday 25 January 2009 14:13:55 (GMT-0500) Felix Miata wrote:
It's no trick. Most of Linux configuration lives in plain text files, making them accessible to anyone and everyone who understands text editing and the docs describing the supported content of those files. OTOH, to claim a need to install some app and 10 or more deps just to change one line in a text file is little short of ludicrous.
Agreed. I should have read this thread sooner.
You mean replied sooner? Sooner than what? Roughly 9 hours after the 2009/01/24 07:25 (GMT-0800) thread starter, on 2009/01/24 19:10:42 (GMT-0500), I submitted essentially the same net response as your 2009/01/25 04:03:37 (GMT-0600) response. Mine received no response at all until 13 minutes before you posted yours, nearly 10 hours after I sent it. All the meanwhile, there was little more than did so/did not blaming babble from most of the many thread respondents' many replies.
But why didn't someone who pays more attention than I do suggest the config file?
Too much blather to wade through to get there? I suspect more trouble to find out which entry in which config file than to install and run systemsettings. :-( -- "Train a child in the way he should go, and when he is old he will not turn from it." Proverbs 22:6 NIV Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Sunday 25 January 2009 2:37:41 pm Felix Miata wrote:
On 2009/01/25 13:58 (GMT-0600) Constantinos Maltezos composed:
Agreed. I should have read this thread sooner.
You mean replied sooner? Sooner than what? Roughly 9 hours after the 2009/01/24 07:25 (GMT-0800) thread starter, on 2009/01/24 19:10:42 (GMT-0500), I submitted essentially the same net response as your 2009/01/25 04:03:37 (GMT-0600) response. Mine received no response at all until 13 minutes before you posted yours, nearly 10 hours after I sent it. All the meanwhile, there was little more than did so/did not blaming babble from most of the many thread respondents' many replies.
I didn't see yours. The babble made it difficult, I guess. At one point, I just skimming them to see if there was any worthwhile information and should have paid more attention.
But why didn't someone who pays more attention than I do suggest the config file?
Too much blather to wade through to get there? I suspect more trouble to find out which entry in which config file than to install and run systemsettings. :-( --
Yeah, but the very idea makes me shudder. lol
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Constantinos Maltezos wrote:
On Sunday 25 January 2009 2:37:41 pm Felix Miata wrote:
On 2009/01/25 13:58 (GMT-0600) Constantinos Maltezos composed:
Agreed. I should have read this thread sooner. You mean replied sooner? Sooner than what? Roughly 9 hours after the 2009/01/24 07:25 (GMT-0800) thread starter, on 2009/01/24 19:10:42 (GMT-0500), I submitted essentially the same net response as your 2009/01/25 04:03:37 (GMT-0600) response. Mine received no response at all until 13 minutes before you posted yours, nearly 10 hours after I sent it. All the meanwhile, there was little more than did so/did not blaming babble from most of the many thread respondents' many replies.
I didn't see yours. The babble made it difficult, I guess. At one point, I just skimming them to see if there was any worthwhile information and should have paid more attention.
But why didn't someone who pays more attention than I do suggest the config file? Too much blather to wade through to get there? I suspect more trouble to find out which entry in which config file than to install and run systemsettings. :-( --
Yeah, but the very idea makes me shudder. lol
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As an old OS/2 fan, I love seeing this, by the way. What did you do on Team OS/2?
I love KDE, but I still miss a lot of the cool stuff the WPS had.
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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Sunday, 2009-01-25 at 14:13 -0500, Felix Miata wrote:
On 2009/01/25 012:48 (GMT+0100) Carlos E. R. composed:
On Sunday, 2009-01-25 at 04:03 -0600, Constantinos Maltezos wrote:
Try this:
Create or edit the file ~/.kde4/share/config/kdeglobals
Look for or create a section that starts with [KDE] on a single line by itself. Edit or add the following line:
SingleClick=false
That should do it.
Fantastic!
Probably an overstatement. :-)
I'm saving this trick.
It's no trick. Most of Linux configuration lives in plain text files, making them accessible to anyone and everyone who understands text editing and the docs describing the supported content of those files. OTOH, to claim a need to install some app and 10 or more deps just to change one line in a text file is little short of ludicrous.
I know its no trick, legally speaking >:-P But not having to install a bunch of packages and navigate a zillion menu dialogs and tabs to find the right tickbox or whatever, is a "trick". Or is it a treat? :-p The utility to me is that I seldom use kde, but I use kde apps a lot from inside gnome, and thus, a "trick" to change that behavior is very welcome and "fantastic" to me >;-) - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkl8yRgACgkQtTMYHG2NR9VbqACfTLqvEfFWySe9wtlKGeMmROim z/EAoIZgmRCfKUs2gq7Zqk92r4u4x4oI =FTNu -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Sunday January 25 2009, Constantinos Maltezos wrote:
On Saturday 24 January 2009 9:25:54 am Randall R Schulz wrote:
Hi,
Now that I'm running openSUSE 11.1 with KDE 3.5, I am also occasionally running KDE 4.1 applications (all of which were installed without any express request on my part, presumably as part of some dependency or pattern). KDE 4.1 applications have their own file save dialogs and these dialogs are defaulting to single-click navigation, which I dislike.
How / where can I change this KDE 4.1 option?
Wow. What a hullabaloo you've gotten as a response.
I suppose I should not have let my frustration show in the fist place (not the question, but that flip response to Sven a few messages into the thread.)
Try this:
Create or edit the file ~/.kde4/share/config/kdeglobals
Look for or create a section that starts with [KDE] on a single line by itself. Edit or add the following line:
SingleClick=false
That should do it.
I'd have probably gone for this had it turned up sooner. I looked at that file just now, and unfortunately it seems it includes only those settings that are not at default values. On my system at the moment there are only 29 lines and 22 parameter settings in three sections ([Emoticons], [KDE] and [KFileDialog Settings]) in that file. That makes it not at all "self-documenting". Perhaps (if I get bored at some point) I'll go looking for a list of the settings that are understood in that file and what they do and what values they may hold. Randall Schulz -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Sunday 25 January 2009 8:26:45 am Randall R Schulz wrote:
Try this:
Create or edit the file ~/.kde4/share/config/kdeglobals
Look for or create a section that starts with [KDE] on a single line by itself. Edit or add the following line:
SingleClick=false
That should do it.
I'd have probably gone for this had it turned up sooner. I looked at that file just now, and unfortunately it seems it includes only those settings that are not at default values. On my system at the moment there are only 29 lines and 22 parameter settings in three sections ([Emoticons], [KDE] and [KFileDialog Settings]) in that file. That makes it not at all "self-documenting".
Yeah, I had to do a grep and then less the file to find it myself. But I knew it was there. Oddly enough, I leave mine at the default setting and it's still there. Go figure.
Perhaps (if I get bored at some point) I'll go looking for a list of the settings that are understood in that file and what they do and what values they may hold.
I imagine that would be hard to find. If you *do* get bored, let me know and I'll just send you my file. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
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