On Sun, Jan 25, 2009 at 05:54:52PM -0500, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

* Dave Feustel [01-25-09 17:07]:

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Well, I have removed both the kdelibs3 and kdelibs4 and rebooted. After a reboot and login I have the default Suse window manager. There seems to be no longer any icon that turns orange when there are updates. Can I bring that icon up on the native suse panel or is there some other way to be aware of and install updates?

yast2, zypper, smart, apt manual download and rpm

I know about yast2 and zypper. What are smart and apt? What I would like to do is run on the suse desktop the app that displays the little green/orange icon on the desktop. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Sun, Jan 25, 2009 at 06:37:48PM -0600, Constantinos Maltezos wrote:

On Sunday 25 January 2009 5:31:12 pm Dave Feustel wrote:

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On Sun, Jan 25, 2009 at 05:54:52PM -0500, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

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yast2, zypper, smart, apt manual download and rpm

I know about yast2 and zypper. What are smart and apt? What I would like to do is run on the suse desktop the app that displays the little green/orange icon on the desktop.

The problem is that you removed your desktop.

No. I removed kdelibs4 and, after rebooting, I got a different desktop - a SUSE desktop (the word SUSE and an image of a chameleon occupy the center of the screen) with a panel along the lower edge. I can start xterm by clicking at a particular place on the panel. and each window has an entry on the panel. .

Desktops (with panels) are provided by Gnome, KDE, xfce and the Rox Filer (though I don't think that one handles system tray icons, but I could be wrong). IceWM is a lightweight window manager that provides a panel, though I'm not sure it handles system tray icons, either. But it's worth a try. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Mon, Jan 26, 2009 at 02:59:05AM +0100, Carlos E. R. wrote:

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On Monday, 2009-01-26 at 02:21 +0100, Dave Feustel wrote:

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I know about yast2 and zypper. What are smart and apt? What I would like to do is run on the suse desktop the app that displays the little green/orange icon on the desktop.

The problem is that you removed your desktop.

No. I removed kdelibs4 and, after rebooting, I got a different desktop - a SUSE desktop (the word SUSE and an image of a chameleon occupy the center of the screen) with a panel along the lower edge. I can start xterm by clicking at a particular place on the panel. and each window has an entry on the panel.

Yes, you removed kde. AFAIK, only kde and gnome have the updater applet. You are using something else (what it is, is unknown), and thus, there is no applet. You will have to guess when there is something to update, and do it manually.

I can do that. But I'm surprised that Suse does not have an updater applet for its own desktop (which I already like). -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

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The problem is that you removed your desktop. Desktops (with panels) are provided by Gnome, KDE, xfce and the Rox Filer (though I don't think that one handles system tray icons, but I could be wrong). IceWM is a lightweight window manager that provides a panel, though I'm not sure it handles system tray icons, either. But it's worth a try.

Any of the window managers that support a dock can use stalonetray (Stand alone tray) which can contain tray icons. I use it with Blackbox with the Kwallet and KnetworkManager icons. HTH, Jeffrey -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

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On Sunday, 2009-01-25 at 20:00 -0600, Jeffrey L. Taylor wrote:

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Quoting Constantinos Maltezos <>: [snip]

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The problem is that you removed your desktop. Desktops (with panels) are provided by Gnome, KDE, xfce and the Rox Filer (though I don't think that one handles system tray icons, but I could be wrong). IceWM is a lightweight window manager that provides a panel, though I'm not sure it handles system tray icons, either. But it's worth a try.

Any of the window managers that support a dock can use stalonetray (Stand alone tray) which can contain tray icons. I use it with Blackbox with the Kwallet and KnetworkManager icons.

... both of which require kde libs, which he removed.

True. But the point was it is possible to use tray apps with may non-desktop environment window managers. It also works for Opera, but I use it so seldom it didn't occur to me to use it as an example. Jeffrey -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On 2009/01/25 21:17 (GMT-0800) Kai Ponte composed:

Apt is the update process for debian-based systems. You use apt-get or urpmi for them. (http://www.linux.com/feature/40745) It is used with .deb based installation routines.

Urpmi was created by/for the rpm distributions Mandr[ake,iva], which IIRC have one or more derivatives/forks that use .debs too or instead. Urpmi is one of the few remaining reasons why Mandriva remains my #2 choice of distribution. -- "Train a child in the way he should go, and when he is old he will not turn from it." Proverbs 22:6 NIV Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Mon, Jan 26, 2009 at 12:16:57PM +1100, Basil Chupin wrote:

Dave Feustel wrote:

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Well, I have removed both the kdelibs3 and kdelibs4 and rebooted. After a reboot and login I have the default Suse window manager. There seems to be no longer any icon that turns orange when there are updates. Can I bring that icon up on the native suse panel or is there some other way to be aware of and install updates?

Thanks.

The icon is an applet and should be found in Launcher>Applications>System>Desktop Applets>kupdateapplet.

There is no launcher option in the Suse Desktop right button menu. Find / -name 'kupdate*' produces no filenames. So I wonder if the applet is part of kde4 and it went away with all the kdelibs4. I also looked for gnome apps. Can you determine the name of the file corresponding to kupdateapplet? Thanks. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

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Dave Feustel wrote:

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Well, I have removed both the kdelibs3 and kdelibs4 and rebooted. After a reboot and login I have the default Suse window manager. There seems to be no longer any icon that turns orange when there are updates. Can I bring that icon up on the native suse panel or is there some other way to be aware of and install updates?

Thanks.

The engine behind the updater is packagekit, there are kde and gnome frontends for it. Just do a default search in yast2 software manager for

packagekit and it will show you the gnome and kde interfaces. Regards Dave P -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org