El 28/09/12 19:51, Greg Freemyer escribió:

On Fri, Sep 28, 2012 at 6:29 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:

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On 2012-09-29 00:07, Greg Freemyer wrote:

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On Fri, Sep 28, 2012 at 5:43 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:

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Over the years (decades), I done a lot of things with Unix/Linux, but I don't recall ever having a need to run a service in 3, that I couldn't run in 5.

Then look again: gpm :-)

Can't say I've ever knowingly used it. Does it work with 12.2 / systemd?

If not, has it been bugzilla'd.

It does not have a native service unit and its development stopped in 2009. it will probably has to go.. ;) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 2012-10-01 19:33, Brian K. White wrote:

On 9/28/2012 6:54 PM, Cristian Rodríguez wrote:

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It does not have a native service unit and its development stopped in 2009. it will probably has to go.. ;)

I use gpm occasionally.

Just last week an upgrade on one of my laptops left me with no working X thanks to kernel and xorg changes.

So I spent almost a week using wicd-curses, lynx and gpm. It's the easiest way to cut/paste things between virtual consoles.

The rarity with which you use something or the length of time since someone had some reason to modify it should really not automatically imply "...will probably have to go". That's user-unfriendly in the extreme.

It is a tool seldom used. But the day you do have to use it... oh my, what a blessing it is. - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 12.1 x86_64 "Asparagus" at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.18 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://www.enigmail.net/ iEYEARECAAYFAlBp5B0ACgkQIvFNjefEBxolVACguMCeriggKn/IkBYLlrZLmeW4 HtYAoNB3AIai6AkXS2ZnGznEor7+Qpeg =pR+V -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 2012-09-29 01:02, Malcolm wrote:

Since my recent foray into twin (console based DE) which uses gpm it works fine with systemd and openSUSE 12.2 in a VT irrespective of runlevel.

You mean that it is started automatically in runlevel 5? That's a bug, it should not be started in that level because it can cause conflicts with the X mouse service. - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 12.1 x86_64 "Asparagus" at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.18 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://www.enigmail.net/ iEYEARECAAYFAlBmLU0ACgkQIvFNjefEBxraNACfXuKzUK28eEeIFwXQPQWFsh6T 3fcAoIoh8fw4ga0aTQaD2YIN806reuYT =0IMY -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 2012-09-29 01:33, Malcolm wrote:

On Sat, 29 Sep 2012 01:05:49 +0200 "Carlos E. R." <> wrote:

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You mean that it is started automatically in runlevel 5? That's a bug, it should not be started in that level because it can cause conflicts with the X mouse service.

Hi No conflicts here at all.... I pop out to a VT it's there and working, with both mouse and touchpad, pop back into Gnome and mouse and touchpad all works fine.

That's not the issue. gpm is a service that by default should not automatically run in runlevel 5 because it "can" conflict with the X mouse service. It does not means that it always conflicts, just that by default must not be installed to run at level 5 because sometimes it does conflict. It also means that the administrator of each system needs have the choice to select the levels at which gpm runs, in order to enable it at level 5 or not. And I suspect that systemd refuses that liberty. - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 12.1 x86_64 "Asparagus" at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.18 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://www.enigmail.net/ iEYEARECAAYFAlBmN7oACgkQIvFNjefEBxqxQwCfcT57Wtn5zQc9NCZ/VdaYbYEL RrcAnjZ2CI30k199W7qWnh25Q4Qhnx4L =nCev -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On Fri, Sep 28, 2012 at 7:50 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:

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On 2012-09-29 01:33, Malcolm wrote:

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On Sat, 29 Sep 2012 01:05:49 +0200 "Carlos E. R." <> wrote:

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You mean that it is started automatically in runlevel 5? That's a bug, it should not be started in that level because it can cause conflicts with the X mouse service.

Hi No conflicts here at all.... I pop out to a VT it's there and working, with both mouse and touchpad, pop back into Gnome and mouse and touchpad all works fine.

That's not the issue.

gpm is a service that by default should not automatically run in runlevel 5 because it "can" conflict with the X mouse service. It does not means that it always conflicts, just that by default must not be installed to run at level 5 because sometimes it does conflict.

It also means that the administrator of each system needs have the choice to select the levels at which gpm runs, in order to enable it at level 5 or not. And I suspect that systemd refuses that liberty.

Carlos, man systemd shows there is a Conflicts= statement. I have a VM that boots to the equivalent of init 3. I normally just type startx if I want have X. If you want to test this with me, start a new thread for gpm and systemd. I'll join in if I can. Note, I've no knowledge of gpm nor systemd beyond what I've read on these lists. So we might have to do some experimenting. Sounds like fun! Greg -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On Fri, 28 Sep 2012 21:10:25 -0300 Cristian Rodríguez wrote:

El 28/09/12 21:09, Greg Freemyer escribió:

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man systemd shows there is a Conflicts= statement.

exactly.

adding a Conflicts=graphical.target to the gpm.service will make gpm terminate when X starts.

Something like: http://paste.opensuse.org/58792322 TERMINATEONXSTART="graphical.target " would need to be added to /etc/sysconfig/mouse (and old stuff dropped) -- Cheers Malcolm °¿° (Linux Counter #276890) openSUSE 12.2 (x86_64) Kernel 3.4.6-2.10-desktop up 3 days 10:56, 5 users, load average: 0.02, 0.03, 0.05 CPU Intel i5 CPU M520@2.40GHz | Intel Arrandale GPU -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On Fri, 28 Sep 2012 20:56:47 -0400 Patrick Shanahan wrote:

But what happens when I drop to a text/virtual console? No gpm if X is running?

You can have both without switching game. Run X with "sysmouse" as a mouse type, but make sure gpm is running in multiuser and graphical targets, ie. runlevel 3 and 5. -- Regards, Rajko. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

* Carlos E. R. [09-28-12 22:39]:

On 2012-09-29 02:56, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

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* Cristian Rodríguez <> [09-28-12 20:13]:

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But what happens when I drop to a text/virtual console? No gpm if X is running?

You start it manually. If it works and you want it to start in level 5 as well, you add it to the allowed levels. With systemv that is "chkconfig gpm 235"

I understand that, but: * Cristian Rodríguez [09-28-12 20:13]:

El 28/09/12 21:09, Greg Freemyer escribió:

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man systemd shows there is a Conflicts= statement.

exactly.

adding a Conflicts=graphical.target to the gpm.service will make gpm terminate when X starts.

so when in "graphical.target" mode, gpm will not be running ??? -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA HOG # US1244711 http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://linuxcounter.net -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 2012-09-29 02:09, Greg Freemyer wrote:

On Fri, Sep 28, 2012 at 7:50 PM, Carlos E. R. <> wrote:

Carlos,

man systemd shows there is a Conflicts= statement.

I haven't finished reading systemd documentation.

I have a VM that boots to the equivalent of init 3. I normally just type startx if I want have X.

If you want to test this with me, start a new thread for gpm and systemd. I'll join in if I can. Note, I've no knowledge of gpm nor systemd beyond what I've read on these lists. So we might have to do some experimenting.

Sounds like fun!

To me, it suffices that using chkconfig in the documented manner works. For instance: chkconfig apache 35 would enable apache only on those levels - and it is an example in the manual page (oS 12.1) - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 12.1 x86_64 "Asparagus" at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.18 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://www.enigmail.net/ iEYEARECAAYFAlBmP+MACgkQIvFNjefEBxoZWQCgjlrezGBXmFkRraqPE8cZ0DR9 bQkAn300afyLuOkwK+FvD/AnU6iN+F9Z =IRH5 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 2012-10-01 19:44, Brian K. White wrote:

On 9/28/2012 7:05 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:

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On 2012-09-29 01:02, Malcolm wrote:

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Since my recent foray into twin (console based DE) which uses gpm it works fine with systemd and openSUSE 12.2 in a VT irrespective of runlevel.

You mean that it is started automatically in runlevel 5? That's a bug, it should not be started in that level because it can cause conflicts with the X mouse service.

I have no problem on ubuntu at least. (I don't have any suse desktops just headless servers)

It does work possibly on most situations on runlevel 5, yes. However, it has potential for conflict, and thus it must never be started in runlevel 5 by default (or target graphical or whatever). Meaning it is the administrator of each system who must say if it does work in level 5, but the distribution must assume it doesn't. - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 12.1 x86_64 "Asparagus" at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.18 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://www.enigmail.net/ iEYEARECAAYFAlBp45QACgkQIvFNjefEBxph9ACgsAn7Sb/G5IPmJhkmk6PBcKRU p3gAoKEycPnU84gC9xRbJ7p+ATBIn+F4 =B6vJ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org