In my case, I use the same hardware I had when using SuSE 7.3 (upgraded to kernel 2.4.22, KDE 3.1.x, etc so it didn't look like a 7.3 anymore ;)). Yesterday I had some crashes copying an URL using the mouse's right-button menu on Konqueror and some others when the screensaver was active (it's already turned off) and some others due to still unknown reasons... Do we have to wait for SuSE 9.1 to hit the stores/FTP-servers to reach the lost stability we had with older SuSE versions? -Martin
I had that problem and it was caused by a specific CD burner. When and only when that cd burner was in the system, it randomly locked up in SuSE 9. When that cd burner was removed, the lockups completely disappeared. Why one CD burner causes lockups in linux and the other doesn't is beyond me. Something just has to be wrong with the one causing the lockups even though it reads and burns fine.
Hi,
something similar happens to my system (SuSE 9.0): it freezes from time to time even while idle, so the only possible solution is to press the "Reset"-button... it's quite annoying for a Linux system using an *stable* release, I must say...
Greetings, Martin
-----Mensaje original----- De: plain [mailto:kanenas@hawaii.rr.com] Enviado el: miercoles, 14 de enero de 2004 12:01 Para: suse-linux-e@suse.com Asunto: [SLE] predictable crashes
i guess the more windoze-like our linucses become, the more windoze-like they behave! Here is what i consider a pretty good example: First make sure everything is backed up and all apps are closed. Start your realplayer - i use it to hear news from the old country-, hook up to a station or something. then, for a change, forget about work and world, and click up a game of Klondike solitaire. then count the seconds or the minutes until the hard lockup. in my a7s333 - 1gb ram - ati rage pro128 it happens every time. sometimes in 10 seconds, sometimes in 10 minutes. suse 8.2 or 9.0 it reminds me of the old saying : Be careful what you wish, you might get it... it is a silly combination of apps and it is not important to me that this gets fixed, however it is amazing to me that something as simple as klondike can bring down a linux setup with 6-7 months uptime on the first
On Thursday 15 January 2004 05:32, Martin Mielke wrote: try and then
every single time after that... d.
In my case, I use the same hardware I had when using SuSE 7.3 (upgraded to kernel 2.4.22, KDE 3.1.x, etc so it didn't look like a 7.3 anymore ;)). Martin, I really hope this does not become a thread where everyone dumps their crashes on. Besides, i really think that you missed my point. The only purpose of my
On Friday 16 January 2004 01:37, Martin Mielke wrote: posting is to bring out the fact that there is no need (or use) for suse 9.1 until suse 9.0 (or less, 8.2 in my case) is fully functional. The root cause for instability *is* the brainless drive toward the next number version!!! Instead of adding one feature and 15 bugs and calling it 9.1, i would love to see a full accounting of just the 9.0 bugs first! I bet you would too... yes, it would not be as glamorous as a whole new version, but it would sure work better... it would also scare that known small and limp entity for real instead of just paying lip service to it... Dimitris
Yesterday I had some crashes copying an URL using the mouse's right-button menu on Konqueror and some others when the screensaver was active (it's already turned off) and some others due to still unknown reasons...
Do we have to wait for SuSE 9.1 to hit the stores/FTP-servers to reach the lost stability we had with older SuSE versions?
-Martin
I had that problem and it was caused by a specific CD burner. When and only when that cd burner was in the system, it randomly locked up in SuSE 9. When that cd burner was removed, the lockups completely disappeared. Why one CD burner causes lockups in linux and the other doesn't is beyond me. Something just has to be wrong with the one causing the lockups even though it reads and burns fine.
On Thursday 15 January 2004 05:32, Martin Mielke wrote:
Hi,
something similar happens to my system (SuSE 9.0): it freezes
from time to
time even while idle, so the only possible solution is to press the "Reset"-button... it's quite annoying for a Linux system using
an *stable*
release, I must say...
Greetings, Martin
-----Mensaje original----- De: plain [mailto:kanenas@hawaii.rr.com] Enviado el: miercoles, 14 de enero de 2004 12:01 Para: suse-linux-e@suse.com Asunto: [SLE] predictable crashes
i guess the more windoze-like our linucses become, the more windoze-like they behave! Here is what i consider a pretty good example: First make sure everything is backed up and all apps are closed. Start your realplayer - i use it to hear news from the old country-, hook up to a station or something. then, for a change, forget about work and world, and click up
a game of
Klondike solitaire. then count the seconds or the minutes
until the hard
lockup. in my a7s333 - 1gb ram - ati rage pro128 it happens every time. sometimes in 10 seconds, sometimes in 10 minutes. suse 8.2 or 9.0 it reminds me of the old saying : Be careful what you wish, you might get it... it is a silly combination of apps and it is not important to me that this gets fixed, however it is amazing to me that something as simple as klondike can bring down a linux setup with 6-7 months uptime on the first
try and then
every single time after that... d.
On Friday 16 January 2004 03:14 am, plain wrote:
On Friday 16 January 2004 01:37, Martin Mielke wrote:
In my case, I use the same hardware I had when using SuSE 7.3 (upgraded to kernel 2.4.22, KDE 3.1.x, etc so it didn't look like a 7.3 anymore ;)).
Martin, I really hope this does not become a thread where everyone dumps their crashes on. Besides, i really think that you missed my point. The only purpose of my posting is to bring out the fact that there is no need (or use) for suse 9.1 until suse 9.0 (or less, 8.2 in my case) is fully functional. The root cause for instability *is* the brainless drive toward the next number version!!! Instead of adding one feature and 15 bugs and calling it 9.1, i would love to see a full accounting of just the 9.0 bugs first! I bet you would too... yes, it would not be as glamorous as a whole new version, but it would sure work better... it would also scare that known small and limp entity for real instead of just paying lip service to it... Dimitris
Yesterday I had some crashes copying an URL using the mouse's right-button menu on Konqueror and some others when the screensaver was active (it's already turned off) and some others due to still unknown reasons...
Do we have to wait for SuSE 9.1 to hit the stores/FTP-servers to reach the lost stability we had with older SuSE versions?
-Martin =================
Well, one last thought before I leave this thread as I think it may be getting to the point of going over to the Off-Topic list. I really think both you guys are blaming SuSE for something that is not SuSE's fault. Many of us here experience nothing but stability with our systems. I just tried your Realplayer and Pysol-Klondike test and had no problems. Played with both, had sound on both, changed settings while both played and everybody played well with each other. Now I do suspect that Realplayer is not the best, most stable program in Linux, but that's not SuSE's fault, they don't build that, remember? Plain, are you trying to use built-in sound or an added card? What other things don't work for you? Do you continually have little problems with other things? Hardware & software have to be friendly and our choices should reflect that. Simply saying Windows works ok on it proves nothing, as the Windows driver makers have access to all the hardware bugs to work around. Martin, your problem would probably come from some old settings or just bad settings or user error. It's easy to blame something or somebody, when you should be investigating what you might have done lately to cause the behavior. I am sure Konq hasn't been doing this all the time, just started? You should be searching down the problem, instead of trying to blame something or someone for the problem. I'm not trying to take all the blame off SuSE either, as they have their brain farts too, but overall, and I think most will agree, SuSE puts out a quality, stable product. Whether the user makes the effort or not to help see it stays stable is up to them. Regards, Lee -- --- KMail v1.5.94 --- SuSE Linux Pro v9.0 --- Registered Linux User #225206 On any other day, that might seem strange...
I solved my problems with KDE crashes by replacing my mouse. I'll vote for hardware problems as being the source of the problem. Rich On Fri January 16 2004 6:13 am, BandiPat wrote:
On Friday 16 January 2004 03:14 am, plain wrote:
On Friday 16 January 2004 01:37, Martin Mielke wrote:
In my case, I use the same hardware I had when using SuSE 7.3 (upgraded to kernel 2.4.22, KDE 3.1.x, etc so it didn't look like a 7.3 anymore ;)).
I really think both you guys are blaming SuSE for something that is not SuSE's fault. Many of us here experience nothing but stability with our systems. I just tried your Realplayer and Pysol-Klondike test and had no problems. Played with both, had sound on both, changed settings while both played and everybody played well with each other. Now I do suspect that Realplayer is not the best, most stable program in Linux, but that's not SuSE's fault, they don't build that, remember?
Plain, are you trying to use built-in sound or an added card? What other things don't work for you? Do you continually have little problems with other things? Hardware & software have to be friendly and our choices should reflect that. Simply saying Windows works ok on it proves nothing, as the Windows driver makers have access to all the hardware bugs to work around.
Martin, your problem would probably come from some old settings or just bad settings or user error. It's easy to blame something or somebody, when you should be investigating what you might have done lately to cause the behavior. I am sure Konq hasn't been doing this all the time, just started? You should be searching down the problem, instead of trying to blame something or someone for the problem.
I'm not trying to take all the blame off SuSE either, as they have their brain farts too, but overall, and I think most will agree, SuSE puts out a quality, stable product. Whether the user makes the effort or not to help see it stays stable is up to them.
Regards, Lee -- --- KMail v1.5.94 --- SuSE Linux Pro v9.0 --- Registered Linux User #225206 On any other day, that might seem strange...
-- C. Richard Matson
Hi there, This thread seems to become a flame-war so I won't get into it :-) instead I'll say that my problems were solved after an on-line update using "YOU". Regards, Martin
-----Mensaje original----- De: C. Richard Matson [mailto:goldfarm@ranch-farm.com] Enviado el: sábado, 17 de enero de 2004 4:15 Para: suse-linux-e@suse.com Asunto: Re: [SLE] predictable crashes
I solved my problems with KDE crashes by replacing my mouse. I'll vote for hardware problems as being the source of the problem. Rich
On Fri January 16 2004 6:13 am, BandiPat wrote:
On Friday 16 January 2004 03:14 am, plain wrote:
On Friday 16 January 2004 01:37, Martin Mielke wrote:
In my case, I use the same hardware I had when using SuSE 7.3 (upgraded to kernel 2.4.22, KDE 3.1.x, etc so it didn't look like a 7.3 anymore ;)).
I really think both you guys are blaming SuSE for something that is not SuSE's fault. Many of us here experience nothing but stability with our systems. I just tried your Realplayer and Pysol-Klondike test and had no problems. Played with both, had sound on both, changed settings while both played and everybody played well with each other. Now I do suspect that Realplayer is not the best, most stable program in Linux, but that's not SuSE's fault, they don't build that, remember?
Plain, are you trying to use built-in sound or an added card? What other things don't work for you? Do you continually have little problems with other things? Hardware & software have to be friendly and our choices should reflect that. Simply saying Windows works ok on it proves nothing, as the Windows driver makers have access to all the hardware bugs to work around.
Martin, your problem would probably come from some old settings or just bad settings or user error. It's easy to blame something or somebody, when you should be investigating what you might have done lately to cause the behavior. I am sure Konq hasn't been doing this all the time, just started? You should be searching down the problem, instead of trying to blame something or someone for the problem.
I'm not trying to take all the blame off SuSE either, as they have their brain farts too, but overall, and I think most will agree, SuSE puts out a quality, stable product. Whether the user makes the effort or not to help see it stays stable is up to them.
Regards, Lee -- --- KMail v1.5.94 --- SuSE Linux Pro v9.0 --- Registered Linux User #225206 On any other day, that might seem strange...
-- C. Richard Matson
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