On Tue, 18 Apr 2000, you wrote:

Some of you remember me with the mesagges about "Kppp failures", well, now I a MS 100% FREE. Thanks to all of you who helped me. My PC is SuSE absolutely configurated

Ah! Another one! I became M$ free last weekend! Feeelllls Gooood!!! JLK -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/

Jerry and June Kreps wrote:

Ah! Another one! I became M$ free last weekend! Feeelllls Gooood!!! must be nice. I just got SuSE 6.4 and have found it to be a major improvement over previous versions, still it has a ways to go. I discovered that YaST2 choked on 32 MB RAM while Windows 95 installed on an old 386 16MHz with only 8MB RAM. Last night just for fun I tried Windows 98-2 Internet Connection Sharing with Netmeeting and found it worked just fine, something which has to this day not been solved in the Linux world (except commercially or with old 2.0.x kernels).

Please don't take this as flame bait. I really want to see Linux succeed. I just hate to spend so much time fixing problems found in Linux Damon Register -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/

Well, I have to run Win98SE at work. It crashed 6 times on the first day it was installed, and never fails to crash on each and every day. The 'upgrade' was forced by M$'s embrace and extend tactic... To each his own. I don't see any problems in Linux to 'fix'. From my zip drive and scanner to the KDevelop package it is doing EVERTHING I want it to do and doing it well! JLK On Wed, 19 Apr 2000, you wrote:

Jerry and June Kreps wrote:

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Ah! Another one! I became M$ free last weekend! Feeelllls Gooood!!! must be nice. I just got SuSE 6.4 and have found it to be a major improvement over previous versions, still it has a ways to go. I discovered that YaST2 choked on 32 MB RAM while Windows 95 installed on an old 386 16MHz with only 8MB RAM. Last night just for fun I tried Windows 98-2 Internet Connection Sharing with Netmeeting and found it worked just fine, something which has to this day not been solved in the Linux world (except commercially or with old 2.0.x kernels).

Please don't take this as flame bait. I really want to see Linux succeed. I just hate to spend so much time fixing problems found in Linux

Damon Register

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On Wed, 19 Apr 2000, you wrote:

Jerry and June Kreps wrote:

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It crashed 6 times on the first day it was installed, and never I guess I was more fortunate. I installed the W98-2 with no problems of any kind. The system runs flawlessly (at least as much as can be expected of MS)

I guess if I weren't writing code using a *buggy* tool (VFP6 SP3) my Win98SE might run more reliably, but it's all M$ stuff. There's *no* reason why pressing F1 to get help should produce a BSOD. But, in M$'s defense, it crashes no more than Win95, nor less, either. Apps will crash. Even in Linux. But the crashes should never bring down the OS.

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fails to crash on each and every day. The 'upgrade' was forced by M$'s embrace and extend tactic...

I needed to add a CD burner to my work station in order to make CDs of the gaming system for the out state investigators. I asked the IT folks to get me a philips because I new it was Win95 compatible. They brought me an HP 8200 series, which required Win98. HP doesn't need to add the logics, relying on the Win98 OS, just like a winmodem, so they make a bundle selling brain dead equipment. They don't need to lower the price, either. M$ keeps a PC from being used by another OS. Monopoly and all of that. <snip> / / (_)__ __ ____ __ *Powerful * Flexible * Compatible * Reliable * / /__/ / _ \/ // /\ \/ / *Well Supported * Thousands of New Users Every Day* /____/_/_//_/\_,_/ /_/\_\ *The Cost Effective Choice - Linux Means Business! -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/

Damon Register wrote:

Jerry and June Kreps wrote:

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Ah! Another one! I became M$ free last weekend! Feeelllls Gooood!!! must be nice. I just got SuSE 6.4 and have found it to be a major improvement over previous versions, still it has a ways to go. I discovered that YaST2 choked on 32 MB RAM while Windows 95 installed on an old 386 16MHz with only 8MB RAM. Last night just for fun I tried Windows 98-2 Internet Connection Sharing with Netmeeting and found it worked just fine, something which has to this day not been solved in the Linux world (except commercially or with old 2.0.x kernels).

Please don't take this as flame bait. I really want to see Linux succeed. I just hate to spend so much time fixing problems found in Linux

No, it's a fair point. Much is made about how Linux can run in a smaller footprint than Windows, and I can see how your experience would seem to show otherwise. It's fair to say that SuSE is a "big" distribution - the standard install is quite big and memory-intensive. No single distribution can meet all needs, and SuSE is aimed at modern mid-to-high-end desktop and server installations and should have few problems on any PC you can buy new now. You can set SuSE up to be light and tight, but that's not how it comes out of the box. At 64Mb and above there's no problem. 32Mb should also be generally fine - my partner for instance runs SuSE 6.3 with KDE quite happily on a 24Mb P90 old Compaq laptop, but running Netscape on top of that slows it to a crawl. We've pretty much given up trying to put SuSE on the old PS/2-55 we have - the default kernel on the installation floppies is compiled for i486 or Pentium IIRC - but Slackware should go on it just fine or one of the other distributions that cater for small/legacy hardware. It's true that Linux will run on some astonishingly small hardware, but there are sacrifices along the way. SuSE defaults to using KDE, which, while being a nice desktop environment, is a bit heavy on system usage, as is X itself of course. -- Rachel -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/

On Wed, 19 Apr 2000, you wrote:

Jerry and June Kreps wrote:

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On Tue, 18 Apr 2000, you wrote:

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Some of you remember me with the mesagges about "Kppp failures", well, now I a MS 100% FREE. Thanks to all of you who helped me. My PC is SuSE absolutely configurated

Ah! Another one! I became M$ free last weekend! Feeelllls Gooood!!! JLK

MS free since... Uh, the "official" StarOffice 3 or 4 Version came out.

;-) Juergen

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On Wed, Apr 19, 2000 at 02:23:47AM -0500, Terry Eck wrote:

Does'nt the -a option for cp mean archive and hence everything will be copied, including dotfiles. I know there is an option to include all manner of files/directries/links...

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On Tue, Apr 18, 2000 at 02:40:55PM -0500, Argentium G. Tiger wrote:

So how *do* you get everything in one pass?

export FTP_PATH=/path/to/destination/ mount /cdrom && cd /cdrom cp -Rav * $FTP_PATH cp /cdrom/.* $FTP_PATH cd / && umount /cdrom eject /dev/cdrom -- -=|JP|=- Jon Pennington | Atipa Linux Solutions -o) jpennington@atipa.com | http://www.atipa.com /\\ Kansas City, MO, USA | 816-241-2641 x121 _\_V 6D04 39E0 CAE9 9ADA 2CA3 2EBE 898A 6C37 CA1E A29C -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/

Hi! How many CDs do I need to install on a hard drive for a minimum network-based installation (i.e., all the software for a router box)? Installing all the CDs (3GB) is a tad bit too much for my file server, even on a temporary basis. Thanks! Christopher Reimer On Tue, 18 Apr 2000, Erwin de Beus wrote:

"Argentium G. Tiger" wrote:

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Jon Pennington wrote:

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Not the ones in /cdrom/ ;)

Time for a really-stupid-question<tm>:

So how *do* you get everything in one pass?

If one pass isn't possible, what would the second pass statement be?

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To copy everything on the cdrom in one pass you can do the following (provided that the cdrom is mounted as /cdrom) :

cd /cdrom find . -depth -print|cpio -pdvm /your/destination/directory

This will copy all files, regardless of the filenames to the given destination directory. If you don't want to see all the filenames while running this, you can leave out the v option in the cpio command. For more info : 'man find' and 'man cpio'

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"Christopher D. Reimer" wrote:

Hi!

How many CDs do I need to install on a hard drive for a minimum network-based installation (i.e., all the software for a router box)? Installing all the CDs (3GB) is a tad bit too much for my file server, even on a temporary basis.

Thanks!

Christopher Reimer

Well, I never really bothered to find out. I have an old machine here with an 4.5 Gb drive. It's only use is distributing SuSE on our local net for workstation installation and updating and this works great. Installing or updating a workstation just involves a single boot floppy and a few keypresses. With 6.2 I just copied all CD's to one directory, except the last one which, if I recall correctly, contains the source packages. For 6.3 and 6.4 I got the DVD version. I still copy the DVD to my server, so I can use the DVD to install on machines that are on slow 56K network links. Just exporting the DVD with NFS also works fine, as long as you don't access it with many clients simultaneaously. This is also a reason why I copy them to the harddrive. I think you can copy each CD and start deleting packages from your server directory using 'common sense'. If you just copy, let's say 2 CD's, yast will know what is missing and will ask you to insert the missing CD's as applicable. Hope this helps, Erwin -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/