[opensuse] Gnome messed up
OK, a while back I installed a few apps from add on things in YAST2 and when I tried to load Gnome, all I saw was a LITTLE tiny panel at the top, with just the basic Gnome drop down menu. My wall paper was gone, no icons, no bar at the bottom, just a top panel with the regular Gnome drop down, and I can NOT for the life of me figure out what happened or how to fix it so it looks normal again. I'm to the point I was ready to completely delete Gnome and reinstall it but then it seems to be that if I do the system could break with all my other apps that need something from Gnome. So does anyone have any idea what happened? Is my system now doomed to having to just deal with this? WindowMaker and KDE and everything else work just fine but if I want to use Gnome I can't really, it's like everything is gone that I did with it. Has anyone ever seen this before? I'd really like to fix it back to the way it was before or even the default SUSE look where I at least have task bars and icons. Thanks all, -Allen -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Allen wrote:
I feel your pain. I experimented a bit with the rotating cube desktop effects, and somehow I got myself into a situation where my screen (in KDE) was all white. When I logged off and back on, the startup music played, and everything seemed normal, except I couldn't see the background, icons, task bar ... everything was all white. (Now I know what "this is very experimental" means!) In my case, Gnome worked just fine, but I really don't care much for Gnome. So I edited a config file and changed back to Xorg, then KDE worked again, but of course, no rotating cube. After a day or so of trying everything I could think of to get things working again, I finally just gave up on the rotating cube desktop, and I'm happily using KDE again without the damned cube.
YaST offers the opportunity to *update* an installation, rather than remove it and start over. Have you tried that? It just might work, especially if it restores your Gnome configuration back to original default settings. You could do a lot worse than to use KDE, if that's working well for you, but I understand wanting to get back to an environment you feel comfortable with. Good luck with it! -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Jerry Houston wrote:
As if the rotating cube has any actual usefulness, other than impressing neophytes and chewing up CPU and GPU cycles. Personally, I think the whole rotating cube thing is one of the biggest wastes of programmer effort+ that I've seen in a long long time. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Friday 28 December 2007 22:14, Allen wrote:
Let's see... KDE works fine, but you want to use Gnome, which is badly broken... uh, huh. Well, THAT MAKES SENSE. <sigh> Sorry. That just wasn't nice... I'm sorry things aren't working well for you right now, and I hope they improve. I feel your pain. But, I USE KDE... as do most other folks who actually want their desktops to be functional, professional, uh, state-of-the-art, and well, not broken all the time. YMMV. (probably) ... this is like, you know, 85% ethanol honked up my engine but I really want to use it anyway even though good 'ol 87 octane lead free works great... cause I like engine repairs??? <sigh> [ducking for cover behind stone wall wearing KDE flame suit] -- Kind regards, M Harris <>< -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Saturday 29 December 2007 12:22 am, M Harris wrote:
Wow that was useless. I use KDE, I also use WindowMaker, Enlightenment, FVWM2, and a couple custom ones. And as for the gas comparison, most cars on the market can't even tell the difference between regular and premium. Was there really a point in being a jack ass and responding with nothing helpful other than KDE is better? Coming from someone on Earthlink I don't think I can be that offended though. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Allen wrote:
That's because they're designed for regular, not premium.
Was there really a point in being a jack ass and responding with nothing helpful other than KDE is better?
Sometimes, when someone does something REALLY ...well, dumb, they need to be told. If they DIDN'T need to be told, they wouldn't have done it in the first place, let alone advertise it.
Coming from someone on Earthlink I don't think I can be that offended though.
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On Fri, 2007-12-28 at 23:22 -0600, M Harris wrote:
What kind regards is there with a statement like that??? It really is an injustice to the request of the OP, as well as to the hard work of people who develop GNOME. I'm not sure why Allen's GNOME got fried, and I wish I could help him out. But to imply that GNOME is a broken piece of crap, which is what you are definitely implying is nothing short of slanderous. I've used GNOME for 3 years now, and am quite happy with it. I originally used KDE but personally found it to be more of a Mickey-Mouse setup and find great comfort and ease in GNOME. Others have their opinions as to which one functions better for their needs, and that's fine. Everyone's entitled to an opinion, and the nice thing is we have CHOICE in what works best for each of us. But, please... don't state that GNOME is broken all the time. That's just ludicrous and a patently false statement. GNOME works well and for me and for MANY others, it has not been a broken experience. And oh yeah, we're professionals too, by the way. Making statements like that here is just a waste of bandwidth. -- ---Bryen--- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Saturday 29 December 2007 12:09:57 am Bryen wrote:
I have seen to installations using the 10.3 DVD, on both installations GNOME was picked as the desktop (one I have done and the other was a class mate looking for a distro to replace Mandriva with). The installation went fine, but when the installation finished it should have gone to the log in screen, but instead the graphics didn't want to work, and we sat there and gave up when the screen went to standby. Graphics work fine as long as your are in one of the F1-F6 screens, go to F7 and nothing happens. I gave up on GNOME installed it again this time with KDE and everything worked fine, I was able to log in and work with a desktop. Now I am not trying to start, or support a war between KDE and GNOME users here, but from what I have seen, using openSUSE 10.3, GNOME is picky about the system that it is running on. P.S. If someone has a clue as to why this happened then please tell. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Fri, 28 Dec 2007, Allen wrote:- <snip>
First thing to do is to check and see if it's Gnome that's broken, or just some config file specific to your user account. The way to test that is to create another user and use the new account to start up a Gnome session. If it's Gnome that's broken, the new account will have the same problems your normal account has. If not, the new account will have the normal Gnome desktop. If it's just inside your account that Gnome is broken, you can get a default desktop back by logging out from the desktop, logging in using one of the text consoles (ALT-F1 to ALT-F6) and then using the commands[0]: mv ~/.gnome2 ~/.gnome2.orig mv ~/.gnome2_private ~/.gnome2_private.orig This will ensure that when you log back in to your desktop, you get the defaults applied. Then it's just a case of copying the config files back from .gnome2.orig into .gnome2, and also from .gnome2_private.orig to .gnome2_private, until you find the change that breaks the desktop.
Not with Gnome, but I've seen others request help when they've mucked up their KDE desktops. In that case, I'd say move the ~/.kde to ~/.kde.orig and go through the same procedure. [0] This is a bit of a guess. I don't have Gnome installed, but I do have both a .gnome2 and .gnome2_private directory, and the developer docs for Gnome mentions .gnome and .gnome_private as locations to store config files. My guess is that nobody has updated the page source with the new directories. Regards, David Bolt -- Team Acorn: http://www.distributed.net/ OGR-P2 @ ~100Mnodes RC5-72 @ ~15Mkeys | SUSE 10.1 32bit | openSUSE 10.2 32bit | openSUSE 10.3 32bit SUSE 10.0 64bit | SUSE 10.1 64bit | openSUSE 10.2 64bit | RISC OS 3.11 | RISC OS 3.6 | TOS 4.02 | openSUSE 10.3 PPC -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Saturday 29 December 2007 1:47 am, David Bolt wrote:
That was actually the first thing I did. I have two user accounts on most of my machines so if something happens I can use the other to make sure of what it is. When it did the same thing for that account that's when I figured it was a system wide problem and why I was thinking about uninstalling as it was more than a user account configuration problem but system wide, Thanks / danke -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Allen wrote:
Why would you delete and reinstall software over an issue of data loss/corruption? Reinstalling the software won't fix bring back a corrupted/lost .gnome directory. You owe the oracle 100 repititions of "Linux is not Windows"
YOUR directory where gnome keeps the startup/config data (/home/YourLoginNameHere/.gnome or something like that) got hosed. I've had a similar thing happen with my .kde directory.
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Because if you pulled your head out of your ass and read what I said instead of telling me how much better KDE is which is my usual desktop anyway, you'd have seen IT WASN'T THE HOME DIRECTORY ONE. IT WAS SYSTEM WIDE... And I don't log in as root, so, obviously it's not a user account .gnome or .kde issue is it? No.
You owe the oracle 100 repititions of "Linux is not Windows"
And you owe "I can't read and appear incompetent" to everyone on here. Shit I asked for help with Gnome, I didn't say give me your opinion on what desktop is better. People like you are the reason Windows is still winning you dolt.
No, it didn't, and I pointed that out in my second reply.
I've had a similar thing happen with my .kde directory.
That's super. But it has nothing to do with it or GNOME WOULD WORK WHEN I LOGGED IN AS ROOT OR THE OTHER USER ACCOUNT I MADE FOR THIS STUFF WOULDN'T IT.... No wonder people don't switch, I've been using FreeBSD, Slackware and SUSE for 4 years now and seen maybe 10% of the total questions not bring up what's better in desktops or distros. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Allen wrote:
I feel your pain. I experimented a bit with the rotating cube desktop effects, and somehow I got myself into a situation where my screen (in KDE) was all white. When I logged off and back on, the startup music played, and everything seemed normal, except I couldn't see the background, icons, task bar ... everything was all white. (Now I know what "this is very experimental" means!) In my case, Gnome worked just fine, but I really don't care much for Gnome. So I edited a config file and changed back to Xorg, then KDE worked again, but of course, no rotating cube. After a day or so of trying everything I could think of to get things working again, I finally just gave up on the rotating cube desktop, and I'm happily using KDE again without the damned cube.
YaST offers the opportunity to *update* an installation, rather than remove it and start over. Have you tried that? It just might work, especially if it restores your Gnome configuration back to original default settings. You could do a lot worse than to use KDE, if that's working well for you, but I understand wanting to get back to an environment you feel comfortable with. Good luck with it! -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Jerry Houston wrote:
As if the rotating cube has any actual usefulness, other than impressing neophytes and chewing up CPU and GPU cycles. Personally, I think the whole rotating cube thing is one of the biggest wastes of programmer effort+ that I've seen in a long long time. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Friday 28 December 2007 22:14, Allen wrote:
Let's see... KDE works fine, but you want to use Gnome, which is badly broken... uh, huh. Well, THAT MAKES SENSE. <sigh> Sorry. That just wasn't nice... I'm sorry things aren't working well for you right now, and I hope they improve. I feel your pain. But, I USE KDE... as do most other folks who actually want their desktops to be functional, professional, uh, state-of-the-art, and well, not broken all the time. YMMV. (probably) ... this is like, you know, 85% ethanol honked up my engine but I really want to use it anyway even though good 'ol 87 octane lead free works great... cause I like engine repairs??? <sigh> [ducking for cover behind stone wall wearing KDE flame suit] -- Kind regards, M Harris <>< -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Saturday 29 December 2007 12:22 am, M Harris wrote:
Wow that was useless. I use KDE, I also use WindowMaker, Enlightenment, FVWM2, and a couple custom ones. And as for the gas comparison, most cars on the market can't even tell the difference between regular and premium. Was there really a point in being a jack ass and responding with nothing helpful other than KDE is better? Coming from someone on Earthlink I don't think I can be that offended though. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Allen wrote:
That's because they're designed for regular, not premium.
Was there really a point in being a jack ass and responding with nothing helpful other than KDE is better?
Sometimes, when someone does something REALLY ...well, dumb, they need to be told. If they DIDN'T need to be told, they wouldn't have done it in the first place, let alone advertise it.
Coming from someone on Earthlink I don't think I can be that offended though.
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On Fri, 2007-12-28 at 23:22 -0600, M Harris wrote:
What kind regards is there with a statement like that??? It really is an injustice to the request of the OP, as well as to the hard work of people who develop GNOME. I'm not sure why Allen's GNOME got fried, and I wish I could help him out. But to imply that GNOME is a broken piece of crap, which is what you are definitely implying is nothing short of slanderous. I've used GNOME for 3 years now, and am quite happy with it. I originally used KDE but personally found it to be more of a Mickey-Mouse setup and find great comfort and ease in GNOME. Others have their opinions as to which one functions better for their needs, and that's fine. Everyone's entitled to an opinion, and the nice thing is we have CHOICE in what works best for each of us. But, please... don't state that GNOME is broken all the time. That's just ludicrous and a patently false statement. GNOME works well and for me and for MANY others, it has not been a broken experience. And oh yeah, we're professionals too, by the way. Making statements like that here is just a waste of bandwidth. -- ---Bryen--- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
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