Weird: after the lightning strike in July, I replaced an HP printer with a duplicate. The original was never installed in Leap, so I figured it's HP, it ought to be easy. No such luck. It even gave me its IP address. Leap can't see it. But it can ping it. BUT! Windows can see it but can''t install it! Windows can ping it also. Two machines, same problem. BUT! I installed Mint on a laptop, and it automatically found the HP and prints to it happily. Same lan, same router, etc. What could be going on? Ideas? --doug
On 05/09/2021 04.51, Douglas McGarrett wrote:
Weird: after the lightning strike in July, I replaced an HP printer with a duplicate. The original was never installed in Leap, so I figured it's HP, it ought to be easy. No such luck. It even gave me its IP address. Leap can't see it. But it can ping it. BUT! Windows can see it but can''t install it! Windows can ping it also. Two machines, same problem. BUT! I installed Mint on a laptop, and it automatically found the HP and prints to it happily. Same lan, same router, etc. What could be going on? Ideas?
We told you, there was a thread about this recently, and you saw that thread, you posted once. YaST can not find network printers, it does not work. But it can install them fine, no problem. Just tell YaST the IP address of the printer, brand and model. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from oS Leap 15.2 x86_64 (Minas Tirith))
Hello, In the Message; Subject : Re: printer--again Message-ID : <393e04e4-271b-2ce2-fce5-fcceb876db55@telefonica.net> Date & Time: Sun, 5 Sep 2021 11:33:31 +0200 [CER] == "Carlos E. R." <robin.listas@telefonica.net> has written: CER> On 05/09/2021 04.51, Douglas McGarrett wrote: DM> > Weird: after the lightning strike in July, I replaced an HP printer with DM> > a duplicate. The original was never installed DM> > in Leap, so I figured it's HP, it ought to be easy. No such luck. It DM> > even gave me its IP address. Leap can't see it. But DM> > it can ping it. BUT! Windows can see it but can''t install it! Windows DM> > can ping it also. Two machines, same problem. DM> > BUT! I installed Mint on a laptop, and it automatically found the HP and DM> > prints to it happily. Same lan, same router, DM> > etc. What could be going on? Ideas? CER> We told you, there was a thread about this recently, and you saw that CER> thread, you posted once. YaST can not find network printers, it does not CER> work. But it can install them fine, no problem. That's it. No OS can get IP address automatically. Douglas had a bad dream. :-) CER> Just tell YaST the IP address of the printer, brand and model. I always get IP address of my printer via system-config-pronter. Regards. --- ┏━━┓彡 Masaru Nomiya mail-to: nomiya @ galaxy.dti.ne.jp ┃＼／彡 ┗━━┛ "Tim Cook, the C.E.O. of Apple, said earlier this year that he would o not let his nephew join social networks. Bill Gates banned cellphone until his children were teenagers, and Melinda Gates wrote that she wished they had waited even longer. Steve Jobs would not let his young children near iPads." -- The New York Times --
On 05/09/2021 12.06, Masaru Nomiya wrote:
Hello,
In the Message;
Subject : Re: printer--again Message-ID : <393e04e4-271b-2ce2-fce5-fcceb876db55@telefonica.net> Date & Time: Sun, 5 Sep 2021 11:33:31 +0200
[CER] == "Carlos E. R." <...> has written:
CER> On 05/09/2021 04.51, Douglas McGarrett wrote: DM> > Weird: after the lightning strike in July, I replaced an HP printer with DM> > a duplicate. The original was never installed DM> > in Leap, so I figured it's HP, it ought to be easy. No such luck. It DM> > even gave me its IP address. Leap can't see it. But DM> > it can ping it. BUT! Windows can see it but can''t install it! Windows DM> > can ping it also. Two machines, same problem. DM> > BUT! I installed Mint on a laptop, and it automatically found the HP and DM> > prints to it happily. Same lan, same router, DM> > etc. What could be going on? Ideas?
CER> We told you, there was a thread about this recently, and you saw that CER> thread, you posted once. YaST can not find network printers, it does not CER> work. But it can install them fine, no problem.
That's it.
No OS can get IP address automatically. Douglas had a bad dream. :-)
CER> Just tell YaST the IP address of the printer, brand and model.
I always get IP address of my printer via system-config-pronter.
I always manually config the printer using its own tiny LCD display and buttons and write the fixed IP address I want. Alternatively, I configure it via its own web page. In any case, as I write the fixed IP address it is going to have, I know what exact address it has. Of course, you have to know your router and know what IP range is reserved for fixed usage. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from oS Leap 15.2 x86_64 (Minas Tirith))
Le 05/09/2021 à 12:19, Carlos E. R. a écrit :
I always manually config the printer using its own tiny LCD display and buttons and write the fixed IP address I want.
not all printers allow this...
Of course, you have to know your router and know what IP range is reserved for fixed usage.
not even necessary, the dhcp manage this also, of course if the Ip is already used it's a problem, but not likely in a family network jdd -- http://dodin.org
On 05/09/2021 12.23, jdd@dodin.org wrote:
Le 05/09/2021 à 12:19, Carlos E. R. a écrit :
I always manually config the printer using its own tiny LCD display and buttons and write the fixed IP address I want.
not all printers allow this...
Of course, you have to know your router and know what IP range is reserved for fixed usage.
not even necessary, the dhcp manage this also, of course if the Ip is already used it's a problem, but not likely in a family network
Yeah, but that's a cat I do not want to touch in this case... -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from oS Leap 15.2 x86_64 (Minas Tirith))
Le 05/09/2021 à 12:06, Masaru Nomiya a écrit :
No OS can get IP address automatically.
of course it can, Windows do. The "problem" is the firewall :-(. yast should be allowed to search through it... jdd -- http://dodin.org
Hello, In the Message; Subject : Re: printer--again Message-ID : <3e0a4064-647d-cbfb-fdaf-cdb3147e600a@dodin.org> Date & Time: Sun, 5 Sep 2021 12:21:31 +0200 [JDD] == "jdd@dodin.org" <jdd@dodin.org> has written: JDD> Le 05/09/2021 à 12:06, Masaru Nomiya a écrit : JDD> > No OS can get IP address automatically. JDD> of course it can, Windows do. The "problem" is the firewall JDD> :-(. yast should be allowed to search through it... Ah, firewall. Many thanks. I's using windows via VMware Workstation Pro. Regards. --- ┏━━┓彡 Masaru Nomiya mail-to: nomiya @ galaxy.dti.ne.jp ┃＼／彡 ┗━━┛ "Three young men died for Rationalization. Yet, Margaret Bloody Thatcher LIVES!" 'Brassed Off'
On 05/09/2021 12.21, jdd@dodin.org wrote:
Le 05/09/2021 à 12:06, Masaru Nomiya a écrit :
No OS can get IP address automatically.
of course it can, Windows do. The "problem" is the firewall :-(. yast should be allowed to search through it...
Why not (automatically) was explained in that recent thread I mentioned. Of course, you can open the firewall ports needed in advance, yourself, using the firewall configuration tool. No, I don't remember right now what ports. Avahi, perhaps, needs be running. And some broadcasts. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from oS Leap 15.2 x86_64 (Minas Tirith))
On 2021-09-05 05:33, Carlos E. R. wrote:
YaST can not find network printers, it does not work. But it can install them fine, no problem.
I may prefer a command line but realistically trying to explain how to do this via CLI will turn Doug off. never the less, I'm not a Yast-user either, especially when it comes down to printers! Thanks to Apple, we've had a print subsystem - CUPS - for a few generations in SUSE, now. https://www.cups.org/ In absolute terms I prefer the flexibility of the USG SVR4 model, but this is what we've got. So: address CUPS directly. in your browser, access http://localhost:631 That gives you direct access to CUPS and to the REAL printer setup and management -- “Reality is so complex, we must move away from dogma, whether it’s conspiracy theories or free-market,” -- James Glattfelder. http://jth.ch/jbg
On 05/09/2021 14.19, Anton Aylward wrote:
On 2021-09-05 05:33, Carlos E. R. wrote:
YaST can not find network printers, it does not work. But it can install them fine, no problem.
I may prefer a command line but realistically trying to explain how to do this via CLI will turn Doug off. never the less, I'm not a Yast-user either, especially when it comes down to printers!
Thanks to Apple, we've had a print subsystem - CUPS - for a few generations in SUSE, now. https://www.cups.org/ In absolute terms I prefer the flexibility of the USG SVR4 model, but this is what we've got. So: address CUPS directly.
in your browser, access http://localhost:631 That gives you direct access to CUPS and to the REAL printer setup and management
But it will not install hplip, which he needs, and YaST will. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from oS Leap 15.2 x86_64 (Minas Tirith))
Le 05/09/2021 à 15:31, Carlos E. R. a écrit :
But it will not install hplip, which he needs,
probably not most modern printer wants pddf and understand ps, so any laserjet printer driver is compatible, I use this (or Apple color) don't forget it's network printer jdd -- http://dodin.org
On 9/5/21 11:29 AM, jdd@dodin.org wrote:
Le 05/09/2021 à 15:31, Carlos E. R. a écrit :
But it will not install hplip, which he needs,
probably not
most modern printer wants pddf and understand ps, so any laserjet printer driver is compatible, I use this (or Apple color)
don't forget it's network printer
jdd
I've used HP printers on Linux for ~20 years, mostly networked. YaST/Printer/Print via Network/Connection Wizard/Access Network Printer/TCP Port/Look Up has always found the IP for me on an HP printer. The default port is 9100. "Select the printer manufacturer" and YaST will find the driver file and install into CUPS. Or if you prefer it can launch hplip to do the install. In hplip's "HP Device Manager", select Device/Setup device/Network - select Connection Type and hplip will locate the printer and do the install into CUPS. Installing the printer via YaST or CUPS but not hplip, will prevent exposing some printer management features only available in the hplip Device Manager. I've found it best to drop the firewall before installing the printer, and then make adjustments afterward. If the router does not support static addresses, it probably does allow for LAN IP assignment from the DHCP range, using the printer's MAC address. Both the hplip and hplip-hpijs packages should be installed first to get all the driver files; OpenPrintingPPDs-postscript or hplip-sane packages may be required, too. Note that the printer install may offer more than one .ppd file. Some printers like laserjets and business-inkjets have a built-in web server (or JetDirect), with a quite powerful management utility. Access in browser using IP address. --dg 15.2 & 15.3, Plasma
Hello, In the Message; Subject : Re: printer--again Message-ID : <09d612d0-1f32-3de2-4fbf-a3491f7f90b1@gmail.com> Date & Time: Sun, 5 Sep 2021 12:36:13 -0400 [DG] == DennisG <dwgallien@gmail.com> has written: [...] DG> In hplip's "HP Device Manager", select Device/Setup device/Network - select DG> Connection Type and hplip will locate the printer and do the DG> install into CUPS. DG> Installing the printer via YaST or CUPS but not hplip, will prevent exposing DG> some printer management features only available in the hplip Device Manager. DG> I've found it best to drop the firewall before installing the DG> printer, and then make adjustments afterward. If the router does DG> not support static addresses, it probably does allow for LAN IP DG> assignment from the DHCP range, using the printer's MAC address. DG> Both the hplip and hplip-hpijs packages should be installed first DG> to get all the driver files; OpenPrintingPPDs-postscript or DG> hplip-sane packages may be required, too. Note that the printer DG> install may offer more than one .ppd file. DG> Some printers like laserjets and business-inkjets have a built-in DG> web server (or JetDirect), with a quite powerful management DG> utility. Access in browser using IP address. Greate information! I'll reconfigure my printers. Thanks a million! --- ┏━━┓彡 Masaru Nomiya mail-to: nomiya @ galaxy.dti.ne.jp ┃＼／彡 ┗━━┛ "Tim Cook, the C.E.O. of Apple, said earlier this year that he would o not let his nephew join social networks. Bill Gates banned cellphone until his children were teenagers, and Melinda Gates wrote that she wished they had waited even longer. Steve Jobs would not let his young children near iPads." -- The New York Times --
On 9/5/21 17:29, Masaru Nomiya wrote:
Hello,
In the Message;
Subject : Re: printer--again Message-ID : <09d612d0-1f32-3de2-4fbf-a3491f7f90b1@gmail.com> Date & Time: Sun, 5 Sep 2021 12:36:13 -0400
[DG] == DennisG <dwgallien@gmail.com> has written:
[...] DG> In hplip's "HP Device Manager", select Device/Setup device/Network - select DG> Connection Type and hplip will locate the printer and do the DG> install into CUPS.
DG> Installing the printer via YaST or CUPS but not hplip, will prevent exposing DG> some printer management features only available in the hplip Device Manager.
DG> I've found it best to drop the firewall before installing the DG> printer, and then make adjustments afterward. If the router does DG> not support static addresses, it probably does allow for LAN IP DG> assignment from the DHCP range, using the printer's MAC address.
DG> Both the hplip and hplip-hpijs packages should be installed first DG> to get all the driver files; OpenPrintingPPDs-postscript or DG> hplip-sane packages may be required, too. Note that the printer DG> install may offer more than one .ppd file.
DG> Some printers like laserjets and business-inkjets have a built-in DG> web server (or JetDirect), with a quite powerful management DG> utility. Access in browser using IP address.
Greate information!
I'll reconfigure my printers.
Just tried this (I never thought of it before) and got an Osbridge 3 Login page. How would I login ?? mike
Thanks a million!
--- ┏━━┓彡 Masaru Nomiya mail-to: nomiya @ galaxy.dti.ne.jp ┃＼／彡 ┗━━┛ "Tim Cook, the C.E.O. of Apple, said earlier this year that he would o not let his nephew join social networks. Bill Gates banned cellphone until his children were teenagers, and Melinda Gates wrote that she wished they had waited even longer. Steve Jobs would not let his young children near iPads." -- The New York Times --
On 06/09/2021 00.04, Michael Spartana wrote:
On 9/5/21 17:29, Masaru Nomiya wrote:
[DG] == DennisG <> has written:
...
DG> Some printers like laserjets and business-inkjets have a built-in DG> web server (or JetDirect), with a quite powerful management DG> utility. Access in browser using IP address.
Greate information!
I'll reconfigure my printers.
Just tried this (I never thought of it before) and got an Osbridge 3 Login page.
How would I login ??
I googled, and Osbridge can be a school or a router. Are you sure you are typing the address of the printer? -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from oS Leap 15.2 x86_64 (Minas Tirith))
On 9/5/21 18:15, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 06/09/2021 00.04, Michael Spartana wrote:
On 9/5/21 17:29, Masaru Nomiya wrote:
[DG] == DennisG <> has written: ...
DG> Some printers like laserjets and business-inkjets have a built-in DG> web server (or JetDirect), with a quite powerful management DG> utility. Access in browser using IP address.
Greate information!
I'll reconfigure my printers. Just tried this (I never thought of it before) and got an Osbridge 3 Login page.
How would I login ?? I googled, and Osbridge can be a school or a router.
Are you sure you are typing the address of the printer?
Yes I had similar results, however no exact matches. That is the wireless address my printer shows. Does this have anything to do with local ip addresses? I was hoping it would give a printer config page.....My router is an asus. mike
On 06/09/2021 00.57, Michael Spartana wrote:
On 9/5/21 18:15, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 06/09/2021 00.04, Michael Spartana wrote:
On 9/5/21 17:29, Masaru Nomiya wrote:
[DG] == DennisG <> has written: ...
DG> Some printers like laserjets and business-inkjets have a built-in DG> web server (or JetDirect), with a quite powerful management DG> utility. Access in browser using IP address.
Greate information!
I'll reconfigure my printers. Just tried this (I never thought of it before) and got an Osbridge 3 Login page.
How would I login ?? I googled, and Osbridge can be a school or a router.
Are you sure you are typing the address of the printer?
Yes I had similar results, however no exact matches. That is the wireless
address my printer shows. Does this have anything to do with local ip addresses?
I was hoping it would give a printer config page.....My router is an asus.
There is a way to connect USB printers, in which the printer is connected to a special USB socket in a router or access point, and this AP does the talking with the computers. What you are are seeing could be this special AP. It certainly has to be a local ip address. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from oS Leap 15.2 x86_64 (Minas Tirith))
On 9/5/21 7:12 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 9/5/21 18:15, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 06/09/2021 00.04, Michael Spartana wrote:
On 9/5/21 17:29, Masaru Nomiya wrote:
[DG] == DennisG <> has written: ...
DG> Some printers like laserjets and business-inkjets have a built-in DG> web server (or JetDirect), with a quite powerful management DG> utility. Access in browser using IP address.
Greate information!
I'll reconfigure my printers. Just tried this (I never thought of it before) and got an Osbridge 3 Login page.
How would I login ?? I googled, and Osbridge can be a school or a router.
Are you sure you are typing the address of the printer? Yes I had similar results, however no exact matches. That is the wireless
address my printer shows. Does this have anything to do with local ip addresses?
I was hoping it would give a printer config page.....My router is an asus. There is a way to connect USB printers, in which the printer is connected to a special USB socket in a router or access point, and this AP does the talking with the computers. What you are are seeing could be
On 06/09/2021 00.57, Michael Spartana wrote: this special AP.
It certainly has to be a local ip address.
I only know of the HP EWS (Embedded Web Server) and JetDirect (which does the same). AFAIK this is only for networked printers, not USB. The address should be the LAN IP assigned by/configured in the router. --dg 15.2 & 15.3, Plasma
On 06/09/2021 04.30, DennisG wrote:
On 9/5/21 7:12 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 9/5/21 18:15, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 06/09/2021 00.04, Michael Spartana wrote:
On 9/5/21 17:29, Masaru Nomiya wrote:
[DG] == DennisG <> has written: ...
DG> Some printers like laserjets and business-inkjets have a built-in DG> web server (or JetDirect), with a quite powerful management DG> utility. Access in browser using IP address.
Greate information!
I'll reconfigure my printers. Just tried this (I never thought of it before) and got an Osbridge 3 Login page.
How would I login ?? I googled, and Osbridge can be a school or a router.
Are you sure you are typing the address of the printer? Yes I had similar results, however no exact matches. That is the wireless
address my printer shows. Does this have anything to do with local ip addresses?
I was hoping it would give a printer config page.....My router is an asus. There is a way to connect USB printers, in which the printer is connected to a special USB socket in a router or access point, and this AP does the talking with the computers. What you are are seeing could be
On 06/09/2021 00.57, Michael Spartana wrote: this special AP.
It certainly has to be a local ip address.
I only know of the HP EWS (Embedded Web Server) and JetDirect (which does the same). AFAIK this is only for networked printers, not USB. The address should be the LAN IP assigned by/configured in the router.
Certainly. But you can convert an USB only printer to networked printer, by connecting the USB to a special gadget. And in that case, the web page would be that of the gadget, not the printer. Some routers have this facility; you simply connect the USB cable to an USB socket on the router, and then configure the router for this in its configuration page. https://www.amazon.com/Computer-Networking-Print-Servers/b?ie=UTF8&node=13983761 -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from oS Leap 15.2 x86_64 (Minas Tirith))
Le 06/09/2021 à 11:53, Carlos E. R. a écrit :
But you can convert an USB only printer to networked printer,
but usb printer don't have the firewall issue and are found by openSUSE (yast, cups...) jdd -- http://dodin.org
On 06/09/2021 11.58, jdd@dodin.org wrote:
Le 06/09/2021 à 11:53, Carlos E. R. a écrit :
But you can convert an USB only printer to networked printer,
but usb printer don't have the firewall issue and are found by openSUSE (yast, cups...)
An USB printer connected to an USB-ETH converter does have the firewall issue. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from oS Leap 15.2 x86_64 (Minas Tirith))
Le 06/09/2021 à 12:24, Carlos E. R. a écrit :
On 06/09/2021 11.58, jdd@dodin.org wrote:
Le 06/09/2021 à 11:53, Carlos E. R. a écrit :
But you can convert an USB only printer to networked printer,
but usb printer don't have the firewall issue and are found by openSUSE (yast, cups...)
An USB printer connected to an USB-ETH converter does have the firewall issue.
then the better way is to configure first as usb then to move the printer to the network and change the driver destination with cups jdd -- http://dodin.org
On Mon, 6 Sep 2021 12:27:36 +0200 "jdd@dodin.org" <jdd@dodin.org> wrote:
Le 06/09/2021 à 12:24, Carlos E. R. a écrit :
On 06/09/2021 11.58, jdd@dodin.org wrote:
Le 06/09/2021 à 11:53, Carlos E. R. a écrit :
But you can convert an USB only printer to networked printer,
but usb printer don't have the firewall issue and are found by openSUSE (yast, cups...)
An USB printer connected to an USB-ETH converter does have the firewall issue.
then the better way is to configure first as usb then to move the printer to the network and change the driver destination with cups
Configure it as a USB printer connected to the PC, then simply tell CUPS to make the printer network-accessible :) No need to buy a USB-Eth print server.
On 06/09/2021 16.54, Dave Howorth wrote:
On Mon, 6 Sep 2021 12:27:36 +0200 "jdd@dodin.org" <> wrote:
Le 06/09/2021 à 12:24, Carlos E. R. a écrit :
On 06/09/2021 11.58, jdd@dodin.org wrote:
Le 06/09/2021 à 11:53, Carlos E. R. a écrit :
But you can convert an USB only printer to networked printer,
but usb printer don't have the firewall issue and are found by openSUSE (yast, cups...)
An USB printer connected to an USB-ETH converter does have the firewall issue.
then the better way is to configure first as usb then to move the printer to the network and change the driver destination with cups
Configure it as a USB printer connected to the PC, then simply tell CUPS to make the printer network-accessible :) No need to buy a USB-Eth print server.
I didn't buy it; it was just a feature of the router I had bought for another reason :-) I did not try it. It also had an ftp server, if you connected an USB disk instead. This one I tried. It had other features I have forgotten. You can find these gadgets on Windows homes. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from oS Leap 15.2 x86_64 (Minas Tirith))
DG> Some printers like laserjets and business-inkjets have a built-in DG> web server (or JetDirect), with a quite powerful management DG> utility. Access in browser using IP address.
great info, my Brother printer don't, but my Lexmark one do have one. jdd -- http://dodin.org
Hello, In the Message; Subject : Re: printer--again Message-ID : <87h7eysock.wl-nomiya@galaxy.dti.ne.jp> Date & Time: Mon, 06 Sep 2021 06:29:31 +0900 [MN] == Masaru Nomiya <nomiya@galaxy.dti.ne.jp> has written: [...] MN> Greate information! MN> I'll reconfigure my printers. I could configure 2 HP printers, and found I can use the printer's IP address just as fixed ones in Windows on VMware workstation Pro. Many thanks, again. Regards. --- ┏━━┓彡 Masaru Nomiya mail-to: nomiya @ galaxy.dti.ne.jp ┃＼／彡 ┗━━┛ "Three young men died for Rationalization. Yet, Margaret Bloody Thatcher LIVES!" 'Brassed Off'
Le 05/09/2021 à 14:19, Anton Aylward a écrit :
in your browser, access http://localhost:631 That gives you direct access to CUPS and to the REAL printer setup and management
yes, myself I also use this, but... jdd -- http://dodin.org
Hello, In the Message; Subject : printer--again Message-ID : <8cd7bf51-c0e5-c29b-aaa8-2ff22003a61d@optonline.net> Date & Time: Sat, 4 Sep 2021 22:51:42 -0400 [DM] == Douglas McGarrett <dmcgarrett@optonline.net> has written: [...] DM> BUT! I installed Mint on a laptop, and it automatically found the DM> HP and prints to it happily. Same lan, same router, etc. I fully understand what you mean. Your printer is compatible with AirPrint, and you can connect your pc to the printer with AirPrint on Mint. OpenSUSE isn't compatible with AirPrint, at the moment. Please forgive my misleading. Regards. --- ┏━━┓彡 Masaru Nomiya mail-to: nomiya @ galaxy.dti.ne.jp ┃＼／彡 ┗━━┛ "Bill! You married with Computer. Not with Me!" "No..., with money."
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