[opensuse] switching console without Alt key :-(
Hello I have a small keyboard that do not have any Alt key, do you know an other way to switch terminal in init 3 mode (no X)? thanks jdd -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Le 28/02/2016 18:40, Carlos E. R. a écrit :
On 2016-02-28 17:40, jdd wrote:
Hello
I have a small keyboard that do not have any Alt key, do you know an other way to switch terminal in init 3 mode (no X)?
chvt 1
well.. I need this when my first one is occupied :-( I need to configure some other key (left windows key, for example) thanks jdd -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 02/28/2016 12:59 PM, jdd wrote:
Le 28/02/2016 18:40, Carlos E. R. a écrit :
On 2016-02-28 17:40, jdd wrote:
Hello
I have a small keyboard that do not have any Alt key, do you know an other way to switch terminal in init 3 mode (no X)?
chvt 1
well.. I need this when my first one is occupied :-(
I need to configure some other key (left windows key, for example)
In absolute terms there is XbingKeys, but if you are in a desktop manager such as KDE or Gnome they also have facilities for setting a 'global' key alias. Under KDE's 'system settings', for example. there are "Standard Keyboard Shortcuts" and "Global keyboard Shortcuts" which you can redefine. The left window key, at least on my English keyboard, is a META key. I can, for example, define META+1 to one of the defined actions. Or define a new one. (My setup doesn't have the action you want, but apparently to can define more, possibly in a file and import it. Or export what you have, edit that and extend. Or do as I describe below.) What you want is a "Command Shortcut". In the "Custom Shortcuts" use: Edit->New->Global->Command I just set a new item (you may want to create a group) to META+1 and the command "sudo chvt 1"; saved, tested Work great. KDE is wonderful! -- A: Yes. > Q: Are you sure? >> A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. >>> Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 02/28/2016 12:08 PM, Anton Aylward wrote:
On 02/28/2016 12:59 PM, jdd wrote:
Le 28/02/2016 18:40, Carlos E. R. a écrit :
On 2016-02-28 17:40, jdd wrote:
Hello
I have a small keyboard that do not have any Alt key, do you know an other way to switch terminal in init 3 mode (no X)?
chvt 1
well.. I need this when my first one is occupied :-(
I need to configure some other key (left windows key, for example)
In absolute terms there is XbingKeys, but if you are in a desktop manager such as KDE or Gnome they also have facilities for setting a 'global' key alias. Under KDE's 'system settings', for example. there are "Standard Keyboard Shortcuts" and "Global keyboard Shortcuts" which you can redefine.
The left window key, at least on my English keyboard, is a META key. I can, for example, define META+1 to one of the defined actions. Or define a new one.
(My setup doesn't have the action you want, but apparently to can define more, possibly in a file and import it. Or export what you have, edit that and extend. Or do as I describe below.)
What you want is a "Command Shortcut". In the "Custom Shortcuts" use: Edit->New->Global->Command
I just set a new item (you may want to create a group) to META+1 and the command "sudo chvt 1"; saved, tested Work great.
But before you go to heroic efforts remember keyboards start at less than five dollars, and I'm betting there are more than one in that famous closet of anxieties of yours. -- After all is said and done, more is said than done. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 2016-02-28 21:45, John Andersen wrote:
But before you go to heroic efforts remember keyboards start at less than five dollars, and I'm betting there are more than one in that famous closet of anxieties of yours.
But remember that jdd is testing a small compact computer, tablet kind, a "It Works TW891". Google it. For instance: http://www.amazon.fr/PC-Hybride-It-Works-TW891/dp/B016QPUZT8 You can not attach an external keyboard to that, even if it works. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" at Telcontar)
On 02/28/2016 12:57 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2016-02-28 21:45, John Andersen wrote:
But before you go to heroic efforts remember keyboards start at less than five dollars, and I'm betting there are more than one in that famous closet of anxieties of yours.
But remember that jdd is testing a small compact computer, tablet kind, a "It Works TW891". Google it. For instance:
http://www.amazon.fr/PC-Hybride-It-Works-TW891/dp/B016QPUZT8
You can not attach an external keyboard to that, even if it works.
That wasn't really clear, and its still not clear that it can't accept any other keyboard. All four of my tablet computers will take any keyboard I can physically connect or pair with. (Two Windows, two Android). -- After all is said and done, more is said than done.
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That wasn't really clear, and its still not clear that it can't accept any other keyboard.
I did not say that you can not attach a keyboard, but that it is pointless. You can't travel on the bus with that. It breaks the lightness feature of such a small thing. Either you make it work as it is, or drop the tablet and buy another, if possible. - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" (Minas Tirith)) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iF4EAREIAAYFAlbTccQACgkQja8UbcUWM1ypZwD8CVrc4Sq9Rz4rxYGXo2GspUmp 5hAWW6ZTb3ATEgbQTBgA/jLY8kZHdZycZ+nf+JTwPsgEAkWp0puMloneUMyG4efX =uV6I -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On Sun, 28 Feb 2016 23:16, Carlos E. R.
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On 2016-02-28 22:55, John Andersen wrote:
That wasn't really clear, and its still not clear that it can't accept any other keyboard.
I did not say that you can not attach a keyboard, but that it is pointless. You can't travel on the bus with that. It breaks the lightness feature of such a small thing.
Either you make it work as it is, or drop the tablet and buy another, if possible.
Build your own replacement "alt" key, e.g. logged in: use "bind" for bash, or hardcore: bind a kdb-scancode to a system-keycode. Entry Point: Google: "linux console keyboard mapping" udev solution, esp the second link: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/extra_keyboard_keys https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Map_scancodes_to_keycodes - Yamaban. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 02/28/2016 05:16 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
I did not say that you can not attach a keyboard, but that it is pointless. You can't travel on the bus with that. It breaks the lightness feature of such a small thing.
Not so. I have a case for my Android tablet which includes a built in bluetooth keyboard. Microsoft 'tablets' also have the keyboard in the case cover. And yes I do open up the table on the bus. -- A: Yes. > Q: Are you sure? >> A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. >>> Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 On 2016-02-29 02:50, Anton Aylward wrote:
On 02/28/2016 05:16 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
I did not say that you can not attach a keyboard, but that it is pointless. You can't travel on the bus with that. It breaks the lightness feature of such a small thing.
Not so.
I have a case for my Android tablet which includes a built in bluetooth keyboard.
Microsoft 'tablets' also have the keyboard in the case cover.
Did you see the photo of the thing? It already has a keyboard. You are proposing to carry two keyboards on the bus. - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" (Minas Tirith)) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iF4EAREIAAYFAlbTqOYACgkQja8UbcUWM1xI1wD9EuU32hXtwc2ksNP3Nrr/XP4f /ftMjIS0o/Twfo+cs6MA/iyF4t+pn0osa1yJi4oYfZ7dMyiNIlxSGcxwmmLsw1yb =MtG6 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 02/28/2016 09:11 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2016-02-29 02:50, Anton Aylward wrote:
On 02/28/2016 05:16 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
I did not say that you can not attach a keyboard, but that it is pointless. You can't travel on the bus with that. It breaks the lightness feature of such a small thing.
Not so.
I have a case for my Android tablet which includes a built in bluetooth keyboard.
Microsoft 'tablets' also have the keyboard in the case cover.
Did you see the photo of the thing? It already has a keyboard. You are proposing to carry two keyboards on the bus.
Why are you saying that? My Android table only was an on-screen keyboard, which is disabled when using the bluetooth keyboard. Are you assigning I have a Microsoft tablet? Why do you think I would want to run MS-Windows? If I had one I'd find a way to wipe Windows and install Linux! But I can't imagine buying one. Maybe if I won one as a door prise in a trade show? Or maybe I'd sell it of and buy a laptop, a /proper/ computer, with the proceeds. -- The radical of one century is the conservative of the next. The radical invents the views. When he has worn them out, the conservative adopts them. --Mark Twain -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Le 29/02/2016 03:28, Anton Aylward a écrit :
Are you assigning I have a Microsoft tablet?
mine is
Why do you think I would want to run MS-Windows?
because it's the type you have the better chance to can install openSUSE on it, and it works like a true computer, still being very light and small
If I had one I'd find a way to wipe Windows and install Linux!
ditto :-) not soe asy :-)
But I can't imagine buying one. Maybe if I won one as a door prise in a trade show? Or maybe I'd sell it of and buy a laptop, a /proper/ computer, with the proceeds.
129€ for 32 Gb ssd, 2Gb ram, keyboard (mostly working :-) jdd -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 02/29/2016 02:37 AM, jdd wrote:
129€ for 32 Gb ssd, 2Gb ram, keyboard
Well great; I paid about that for my 12" Samsung tablet which also has 23G store and 2G ram. I'll grant you the leather case came extra :-) But You didn't answer my question. Why would *I* want to run MS-Windows? You obviously don't want to run Windows, you are clearly doing your utmost to install Linux, which, as you say, is not so easy. My Samsung is running Android/Linux. A very high utility value. I also have an X-Sever for it so I can log in to my desktop. When I get tired of using K-9 I can use the X0Server to read my mail with Thunderbird. One advantage of the Samsung/Android is voice input. I admit it has some problems with my accent which isn't quite English any more, having lived in Canada for so long, but it does take care of correct capitalization and is very good at spelling. Sometimes, though, the phonetic word is not quite what I meant :-) I'm not enough of a geek/hacker any more to have the patience you seem to have in this converting the Microsoft Surface into a Linux machine. -- A: Yes. > Q: Are you sure? >> A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. >>> Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 02/29/2016 02:37 AM, jdd wrote:
Le 29/02/2016 03:28, Anton Aylward a écrit :
Are you assigning I have a Microsoft tablet?
mine is
Why do you think I would want to run MS-Windows?
because it's the type you have the better chance to can install openSUSE on it, and it works like a true computer, still being very light and small
If I had one I'd find a way to wipe Windows and install Linux!
Well in the annals of small computers there's the new Pi: http://www.zdnet.com/article/why-android-and-even-windows-might-make-it-onto... <quote> "There's no fundamental difference between this device and a Windows Surface device," he said. </quote> but <quote> The Pi 3 is based around a more powerful CPU core than the original Surface tablets but its memory is half that of the original Surface and clocked at a lower speed. </quote> IIR there is a gadget out there which projects a keyboard onto any flat surface and another one that can project a display ditto. Now all you need is a battery pack for the Pi3 and its going to out perform the Surface. Lets face it, at $35 that gives a lot of leeway for all the other items to hang around it. Bluetooth keyboard we know about, is there a bluetooth undockable screen? Well, http://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/26-inch-bluetooth-computer-monitor_169... http://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/1080P-HDMI-bnc-av-inputinset-bluetooth... There's a photo in this one http://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/21-5inch-DIY-i5-win7-all_1763871377.ht... of the device opened up and the innards displayed. It occurs to me that a similar chassis with a Pi3 would be one approach. -- A: Yes. > Q: Are you sure? >> A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. >>> Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 02/28/2016 06:11 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2016-02-29 02:50, Anton Aylward wrote:
On 02/28/2016 05:16 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
I did not say that you can not attach a keyboard, but that it is pointless. You can't travel on the bus with that. It breaks the lightness feature of such a small thing.
Not so.
I have a case for my Android tablet which includes a built in bluetooth keyboard.
Microsoft 'tablets' also have the keyboard in the case cover.
Did you see the photo of the thing? It already has a keyboard. You are proposing to carry two keyboards on the bus.
Yes i did, and the keyboard comes off. What is this fixation with buses anyway? If the device has bluetooth there are a dozen small bluetooth keyboards that will work. -- After all is said and done, more is said than done.
On 2016-02-29 04:13, John Andersen wrote:
On 02/28/2016 06:11 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
Did you see the photo of the thing? It already has a keyboard. You are proposing to carry two keyboards on the bus.
Yes i did, and the keyboard comes off. What is this fixation with buses anyway?
If the device has bluetooth there are a dozen small bluetooth keyboards that will work.
Because the point, the idea, is to make it work as it is. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" at Telcontar)
On 02/28/2016 10:13 PM, John Andersen wrote:
What is this fixation with buses anyway?
Or trains. Because you don't want to use your 'tablet' while driving your car. -- A: Yes. > Q: Are you sure? >> A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. >>> Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Le 28/02/2016 22:55, John Andersen a écrit :
All four of my tablet computers will take any keyboard I can physically connect or pair with. (Two Windows, two Android).
yes, but the main interest of this computer is his dedicated keyboard, not that bad, but the "alt" key, in fact, is the "AltGr" one :-) I have to read the xbindkey man page :-) thanks jdd -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 02/28/2016 04:55 PM, John Andersen wrote:
That wasn't really clear, and its still not clear that it can't accept any other keyboard.
All four of my tablet computers will take any keyboard I can physically connect or pair with. (Two Windows, two Android).
Good point. Even though my tablet and phone aren't running KDE I can connect a bluetooth keyboard , as well as this USB one (via the appropriate dongle). -- A: Yes. > Q: Are you sure? >> A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. >>> Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Le 28/02/2016 21:57, Carlos E. R. a écrit :
But remember that jdd is testing a small compact computer, tablet kind, a "It Works TW891". Google it. For instance:
http://www.amazon.fr/PC-Hybride-It-Works-TW891/dp/B016QPUZT8
You can not attach an external keyboard to that, even if it works.
in fact, you can if you have one usb plug free, or if I can configure the bluetooth interface -not yet :-()- I also often work with it by network/ssh, but my usb ethernet device just failed :-(, and the wifi don't works you have to understand that making this computer works with openSUSE is sort of a challenge :-) jdd -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Le 28/02/2016 21:45, John Andersen a écrit :
But before you go to heroic efforts remember keyboards start at less than five dollars, and I'm betting there are more than one in that famous closet of anxieties of yours.
I have this problem when I'm on terminal only (with kde it's easy to open an other windows only with mouse), and this keyboard is on a netbook I want to use moving, with no external hardware :-( jdd -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 02/28/2016 03:45 PM, John Andersen wrote:
But before you go to heroic efforts remember keyboards start at less than five dollars, and I'm betting there are more than one in that famous closet of anxieties of yours.
Indeed there are, but they are all PS/2 connector types. This Dell box doesn't have any PS/2 sockets, so I had to show some initiative and get a $5.99 (!GASP! SHOCK! HORROR! Over-Budget alert) one from Goodwill. All I can say is that it worked, and it also worked on the keyboard of my HP laptop running 13.2 & KDE4.11. "YMMV". Mine didn't. -- A: Yes. > Q: Are you sure? >> A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. >>> Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Anton Aylward composed on 2016-02-28 20:45 (UTC-0500):
...This Dell box doesn't have any PS/2 sockets...
An Optiplex, 755 maybe? 280, 520, 620 745, 760 and 780, plus models I have no first-hand experience with, have motherboard sockets for an adapter that has at least one PS/2 port, and for cheap if you're a good shopper. My last purchase was for a quantity of 5 for a total of $14.99US delivered. http://www.ebay.com/sch/sis.html?_nkw=NEW+Dell+F743C+Serial+Port+PS+2+Add+In... -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 02/28/2016 09:19 PM, Felix Miata wrote:
Anton Aylward composed on 2016-02-28 20:45 (UTC-0500):
...This Dell box doesn't have any PS/2 sockets...
An Optiplex, 755 maybe? 280, 520, 620 745, 760 and 780, plus models I have no first-hand experience with, have motherboard sockets for an adapter that has at least one PS/2 port, and for cheap if you're a good shopper. My last purchase was for a quantity of 5 for a total of $14.99US delivered.
http://www.ebay.com/sch/sis.html?_nkw=NEW+Dell+F743C+Serial+Port+PS+2+Add+In...
Interesting. The "quantity of 5" for US$14.99 http://www.ebay.com/itm/5-LOT-Dell-XPS-400-410-600-Serial-Port-PS-2-Card-w-C... has US$46.90 shipping to here in Canada. I'm quite happy with this IBM multimedia USB keyboard. It has a couple of USB expansion slots in the side, so I'm not loosing out. -- A: Yes. > Q: Are you sure? >> A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. >>> Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 02/28/2016 12:40 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2016-02-28 17:40, jdd wrote:
Hello
I have a small keyboard that do not have any Alt key, do you know an other way to switch terminal in init 3 mode (no X)?
chvt 1
You might need a "sudo" in there :-) -- A: Yes. > Q: Are you sure? >> A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. >>> Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 2016-02-28 20:35, Anton Aylward wrote:
On 02/28/2016 12:40 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2016-02-28 17:40, jdd wrote:
Hello
I have a small keyboard that do not have any Alt key, do you know an other way to switch terminal in init 3 mode (no X)?
chvt 1
You might need a "sudo" in there :-)
Yes, you do. I do not understand why, as I own both sessions. cer@Telcontar:~> chvt 1 Couldn't get a file descriptor referring to the console cer@Telcontar:~> -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" at Telcontar)
On Sun, 28 Feb 2016 17:40:19 jdd wrote:
Hello
I have a small keyboard that do not have any Alt key, do you know an other way to switch terminal in init 3 mode (no X)?
thanks jdd
You could run screen or tmux - both achieve similar things in a different way; screen allows you to create multiple "virtual terminals" without needing the alt key, and you can also detach a screen session, leave it running in the background (even when the user is logged off) and re-attach to it later (or even remotely, via ssh). Tmux allows you to create a split window with multiple console sessions (almost as many as you can view on your screen, perhaps more) with vertical or horizontal splits or a combination of both. Very useful when you want to monitor one process while you continue working on another. Both are lightweight, and IIR correctly neither require the alt key to be usable - only the Ctrl key. If you have that, you're set. No need to mess around with custom key bindings, either. Of course, if you want to go through that learning exercise, that's not a bad thing either. :) -- ============================================================== Rodney Baker VK5ZTV rodney.baker@iinet.net.au ============================================================== -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Le 02/03/2016 11:49, Rodney Baker a écrit :
On Sun, 28 Feb 2016 17:40:19 jdd wrote:
Hello
I have a small keyboard that do not have any Alt key, do you know an other way to switch terminal in init 3 mode (no X)?
thanks jdd
You could run screen or tmux - both achieve similar things in a different way; screen allows you to create multiple "virtual terminals" without needing the alt key, and you can also detach a screen session, leave it running in the background (even when the user is logged off) and re-attach to it later (or even remotely, via ssh).
Tmux allows you to create a split window with multiple console sessions (almost as many as you can view on your screen, perhaps more) with vertical or horizontal splits or a combination of both.
Very useful when you want to monitor one process while you continue working on another.
Both are lightweight, and IIR correctly neither require the alt key to be usable - only the Ctrl key. If you have that, you're set. No need to mess around with custom key bindings, either. Of course, if you want to go through that learning exercise, that's not a bad thing either. :)
very good ideas.. I will study this. my needs are right now mostly for learning (the Leap install on this computer is far from usable for now) thanks jdd -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
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