Pretty interesting but (unfortunately) useless debate. Speed is only secondary, compatibility is primary! We have a bunch of enterprise-wide application here at my work-place that have been "webified". Due to the extremely high marketshare of +95% of IE, all applications have been optimized for IE only. All but one do not work with Konqueror at all (Script error at login!) - unfortunately. (Side note: 4 out of 5 applications do work with Mozilla 1.0). So what's the point of speed, if I can't even use Konqueror. And, I don't have the luxury to surfe the web 90% of my work-time. That's one reason why my company would not allow me to have a Linux-only workstation here. -Uli Matthew Johnson wrote: On Thursday 06 June 2002 10:33, Praise wrote:

Hi all!

I have been reading some posts of persons who wrote they find IE faster than konqueror. I have to disagree at 100%. Some friends (Windows users) have seen it and they just think Konqueror is faster and they remained quite impressed. We have been benchmarking IE vs Konqueror on identical machines, and Konqueror won. They are now willing to try Linux, as they saw how good konqueror is.

Praise

3.01 is even faster, unless that is the one you have been using. Matt -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the archives at http://lists.suse.com --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Sign-up for Video Highlights of 2002 FIFA World Cup

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Thursday 06 June 2002 12:55, Matthew Johnson wrote:

On Thursday 06 June 2002 10:46, Digger Maus wrote:

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Pretty interesting but (unfortunately) useless debate. Speed is only secondary, compatibility is primary! We have a bunch of enterprise-wide application here at my work-place that have been "webified". Due to the extremely high marketshare of +95% of IE, all applications have been optimized for IE only. All but one do not work with Konqueror at all (Script error at login!) - unfortunately. (Side note: 4 out of 5 applications do work with Mozilla 1.0). So what's the point of speed, if I can't even use Konqueror. And, I don't have the luxury to surfe the web 90% of my work-time. That's one reason why my company would not allow me to have a Linux-only workstation here. -Uli

Hate those optimizations, run into occaisonly. However, its not as numerous as I once feared it would be.

For average user, not enterprise, its a different story. Like when people mention desktops...Well in what context? Enterprise workstation is one things, home user who only browses three or four sites and does e-mail is quite another.

Matt

True, but I'm with Uli. Because most home users have been scared off. Konq people have done an amazing job, but it still has issues. Most surfing problems I have are due to my Squid paranoid headers. But on this .jsp site I cannot log in, solely due to Konq3.0.1: http://www.campusmba.com/ "Could not login. The username or password is incorrect." Works with NS. Where do K apps log when they crash? When I start KonqSU as a use it crashes right after kdesu. - -- "There was a boy called Eustace Clarence Scrubb, and he almost deserved it." -- C. S. Lewis, The Chronicles of Narnia -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAjz/pPEACgkQnQ18+PFcZJsnWQCff/KuxJQbEGsojwZ/uCEbYCVG yfIAn0MxyN6Fy20A3Jv20qIrjez4Rk81 =c63r -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Thursday 06 June 2002 13:39, Matthew Johnson wrote:

kde-linux, they have a mailing list :). I cannot test this myself because I have no login.

Matt

Thanks, but that list has been dead for 3 weeks. Repeatedly asked there, and only one tried to help. - -- In Ohio, if you ignore an orator on Decoration day to such an extent as to publicly play croquet or pitch horseshoes within one mile of the speaker's stand, you can be fined $25.00. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAjz/sQcACgkQnQ18+PFcZJuRvwCeJr/rszL8jOKfWDt6N5702WDf C8cAn33iVTQaf8NG3DCkGRjMKq91Sa5K =XENA -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Thursday 06 June 2002 14:03, Christopher Mahmood wrote:

* Carl (quantum@ultra2k.com) [020606 12:00]:

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kde-linux, they have a mailing list :). I cannot test this myself because I

Thanks, but that list has been dead for 3 weeks.

There's always suse-kde.

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Alle 20:39, giovedì 6 giugno 2002, Matthew Johnson ha scritto:

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True, but I'm with Uli. Because most home users have been scared off.

Most home users have not tried Linux. They just buy a computer with a super fast processor and the latest software. I'd bet if you replaced a few with SuSE running KDE 3.01 and explained that everything is included, but due to the anti-trust legislation against MS that its quite different they would hardly notice. Indeed I find Win XP to be very hard to navigate compared with KDE or Mac OS X.

That's what I thought when I tried WinXP. The road from windows to linux is easy, for someone who wants to read and understand and try it. The opposite is harder, because windows cannot do, or do it in some archane way, what Linux do with simplicity. Praise

Alle 19:46, giovedì 6 giugno 2002, Digger Maus ha scritto:

Pretty interesting but (unfortunately) useless debate. Speed is only secondary, compatibility is primary! We have a bunch of enterprise-wide application here at my work-place that have been "webified". Due to the extremely high marketshare of +95% of IE, all applications have been optimized for IE only. All but one do not work with Konqueror at all (Script error at login!) - unfortunately. (Side note: 4 out of 5 applications do work with Mozilla 1.0). So what's the point of speed, if I can't even use Konqueror.

You want compatibility? Good choice. I bet you could explain why (just today) my friend asked for my help. He was using IE, but he could get a page displayed correctly. Konqueror instead did it.

What happens when you alter the user agent string that is being sent by konqueror. This functionality becomes available it you install the package kde-addon (I believe it is, maybe another one).

It's real fun to see website suddenly working after telling it, that konqueror is MS IE e.g. It's not nive for the statistic though :(

Another conspiracy theory...... Although Konq and Mozilla for Linux can log on to hotmail. You can't create a new account with Linux. It just said... "Your browser/OS combination can't be supported" Then it say that I need at least Mozilla 4.x and up. (It doesn't say that MS doesn't like Linux)... It's lying. But if you use Mozilla or Netscape under windows, you can register / create new account in hotmail.