Where can I get 8.2? It isn't advertised on http://www.suse.com and my local stores usually take a while. Actually, I must admit, after enduring 50 "Suse 8.2 announced" messages, all about nothing interesting, I'm not even sure I want 8.2.
On Thu, 2003-03-13 at 19:18, Paul Alfille wrote:
Where can I get 8.2? It isn't advertised on http://www.suse.com and my local stores usually take a while.
Actually, I must admit, after enduring 50 "Suse 8.2 announced" messages, all about nothing interesting, I'm not even sure I want 8.2.
http://www.suse.com/us/company/press/press_releases/archive03/82.html Not going to say what is interesting or not as that is usually a rather personal preference. Matt
On Thursday 13 March 2003 21:18 pm, Paul Alfille wrote:
Where can I get 8.2? It isn't advertised on http://www.suse.com and my local stores usually take a while.
Actually, I must admit, after enduring 50 "Suse 8.2 announced" messages, all about nothing interesting, I'm not even sure I want 8.2.
It isn't out yet, except to the beta testers. The website press announcement says April 14th, but I haven't seen anywhere to pre-order it from SuSE direct, as I normally do. John
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Beta testing has closed. It went very well and it was determined that the last series of the test were unneeded due to the fact that the last beta went so well. It has some new features, and has the new things such as X4.3, kde3.1 and a few others integrated. From my personal experience I found 8.2 to be a combination of the previous two releases with more polish and refinements. YaST seems to be better integrated and little more comprehensive. The new kernel has more drivers (actually quite a few more) and IMHO is also a more polished kerenl. Furthermore, IIRC there are some features in the kernal the might be from 2.5 that were in a stable state before the freeze (I would need to check this to be certain). The kernel has new "user" space stuff - like frequency scaling (new to the best of my knowledge - Im sure if its not someone will correct me). I also see now mobile processor mods, speedstep mods, transmeta mods, two parameters for mem support - mine says 4GB High mem support and 3GB user address space size, and other things like mapping drivers for chip access appears to be extend. You'll probably want to check out the changelog to see any diffs. Nvidia drivers are still somewhat of a pain in the ass, but what's new. I do think that Nvidia will be releasing an installer, but I have yet to see anything on their site - I do keep my eyes open though. Like I told another, It's not like fireworks go off in you back yard and a flock of blondes with beers and brats will show up at your door, but it's a nice upgrade IMHO. I personally will have no hesitation about opening my wallet to buy 8.2 - but then that's just me. Undoubtedly, there will be those that will think the new version is great and those that may be less than enthusiastic about it. I can only give my personal opinion. I guess it depends upon one's expectations and needs. Cheers, Curtis :) On Thursday 13 March 2003 21:18 pm, Paul Alfille wrote:
Where can I get 8.2? It isn't advertised on http://www.suse.com and my local stores usually take a while.
Actually, I must admit, after enduring 50 "Suse 8.2 announced" messages, all about nothing interesting, I'm not even sure I want 8.2.
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Good day Curtis, Thank you very much for a good and positive and informing post about 8.2 beta. :o) Perhaps you can enlighten us with a few specific things? Did you get around Mozilla? If so, has the Mozilla-Java thing been fixed? In 8.1 the Java plugin Mozilla downloaded would not work, because SuSEs Mozilla was compiled with GCC 3, and the plugin was compiled with GCC 2.95 Have you been around YOU? If so, does it pick up where it left off if a downlload fails? In 8.1 YOU starts all over downloading everything again - also what has already been downloaded. How is YOU speed? Many have reported that they find YOU in 8.1 terribly slow. Best regards :o) Johnny :o) Fredag den 14. marts 2003 06:06 kvad Curtis Rey:
Beta testing has closed. It went very well and it was determined that the last series of the test were unneeded due to the fact that the last beta went so well. It has some new features, and has the new things such as X4.3, kde3.1 and a few others integrated. From my personal experience I found 8.2 to be a combination of the previous two releases with more polish and refinements. YaST seems to be better integrated and little more comprehensive. The new kernel has more drivers (actually quite a few more) and IMHO is also a more polished kerenl. Furthermore, IIRC there are some features in the kernal the might be from 2.5 that were in a stable state before the freeze (I would need to check this to be certain). The kernel has new "user" space stuff - like frequency scaling (new to the best of my knowledge - Im sure if its not someone will correct me). I also see now mobile processor mods, speedstep mods, transmeta mods, two parameters for mem support - mine says 4GB High mem support and 3GB user address space size, and other things like mapping drivers for chip access appears to be extend. You'll probably want to check out the changelog to see any diffs.
Nvidia drivers are still somewhat of a pain in the ass, but what's new. I do think that Nvidia will be releasing an installer, but I have yet to see anything on their site - I do keep my eyes open though.
Like I told another, It's not like fireworks go off in you back yard and a flock of blondes with beers and brats will show up at your door, but it's a nice upgrade IMHO. I personally will have no hesitation about opening my wallet to buy 8.2 - but then that's just me. Undoubtedly, there will be those that will think the new version is great and those that may be less than enthusiastic about it. I can only give my personal opinion. I guess it depends upon one's expectations and needs.
Cheers, Curtis :)
* Johnny Ernst Nielsen (johnny.ernst.nielsen@get2net.dk) [030313 23:20]: ->Did you get around Mozilla? ->If so, has the Mozilla-Java thing been fixed? ->In 8.1 the Java plugin Mozilla downloaded would not work, because ->SuSEs Mozilla was compiled with GCC 3, and the plugin was compiled ->with GCC 2.95 You can get around this without any trouble. Just go to this site to read about them...they put a very nice GCC 3.2 compiled package of JAVA 1.4.1 and it works just fine with Mozilla when it's compiled with GCC 3.2. :) http://www.blackdown.org Or you can just ftp directly here and get it... ftp://ftp.tux.org/pub/java/JDK-1.4.1/i386/01 The file you want is called " j2re-1.4.1-01-linux-i586-gcc3.2.bin ". After downloading just move it to /usr/lib and do this.. 1. chmod +x j2re-1.4.1-01-linux-i586-gcc3.2.bin 2. ./j2re-1.4.1-01-linux-i586-gcc3.2.bin This will unpack it into " /usr/lib/j2re1.4.1 " You do not have to change the default settings for Java at all. Instead you just make a softlink from your /opt/mozilla/plugins directory to the plugins directory in /usr/lib/j2re1.4.1/ and it should look like this... libjavaplugin_oji.so -> /usr/lib/j2re1.4.1/plugin/i386/mozilla/javaplugin_oji.so After making this softlink then Java should work just fine with your GCC 3.2 compiled browser. :) It's not the best solution but it's a hell of a lot better then waiting for Sun to pull the heads from where then Sun doesn't shine in order to get a GCC 3.2 compiled pkg from them. And blackdown's been around a long time. I've never heard complaints about them. Cheers! -- Ben Rosenberg ---===---===---===--- mailto:ben@whack.org Tell me what you believe.. I'll tell you what you should see.
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Friday 14 March 2003 01:18 am, Johnny Ernst Nielsen wrote: > Good day Curtis, > > Thank you very much for a good and positive and informing post about > 8.2 beta. :o) > > Perhaps you can enlighten us with a few specific things? > > Did you get around Mozilla? > If so, has the Mozilla-Java thing been fixed? > In 8.1 the Java plugin Mozilla downloaded would not work, because > SuSEs Mozilla was compiled with GCC 3, and the plugin was compiled > with GCC 2.95 - From my experience the java and flash plugins work as they should. I usually test it at various sites, such as nvidia. It renders their page just like it should. I don't think the issue with the compliers is a problem. Since everything out of the box is compiled with the same version. > > Have you been around YOU? > If so, does it pick up where it left off if a downlload fails? > In 8.1 YOU starts all over downloading everything again - also what > has already been downloaded. > > How is YOU speed? > Many have reported that they find YOU in 8.1 terribly slow. > You has been improved. It is streamlined more and they just updated the ftp sites. If you pick the new ones then you should see an improvement (ymmv). I have a cable modem and a fairly fat 1.5 mbps downstream pipe, so those on modem/phone or ISDN - well I don't know if the difference is noticable or not. Also, theres a new program called "SuSE watcher" that sits in the panel. It watches for updates and lets you know - if you open it you can poll the server and it will give a list of any updates so you can see if any pertain to your needs. Also, YOU has a save state option. One may save it or refuse it - though I believe it was in the previous version - I am farily confident that this was also looked into. > Best regards :o) > > Johnny :o) > > Fredag den 14. marts 2003 06:06 kvad Curtis Rey: > > Beta testing has closed. It went very well and it was determined > > that the last series of the test were unneeded due to the fact that > > the last beta went so well. It has some new features, and has the > > new things such as X4.3, kde3.1 and a few others integrated. From > > my personal experience I found 8.2 to be a combination of the > > previous two releases with more polish and refinements. YaST seems > > to be better integrated and little more comprehensive. The new > > kernel has more drivers (actually quite a few more) and IMHO is > > also a more polished kerenl. Furthermore, IIRC there are some > > features in the kernal the might be from 2.5 that were in a stable > > state before the freeze (I would need to check this to be certain). > > The kernel has new "user" space stuff - like frequency scaling > > (new to the best of my knowledge - Im sure if its not someone will > > correct me). I also see now mobile processor mods, speedstep mods, > > transmeta mods, two parameters for mem support - mine says 4GB High > > mem support and 3GB user address space size, and other things like > > mapping drivers for chip access appears to be extend. You'll > > probably want to check out the changelog to see any diffs. > > > > Nvidia drivers are still somewhat of a pain in the ass, but what's > > new. I do think that Nvidia will be releasing an installer, but I > > have yet to see anything on their site - I do keep my eyes open > > though. > > > > Like I told another, It's not like fireworks go off in you back > > yard and a flock of blondes with beers and brats will show up at > > your door, but it's a nice upgrade IMHO. I personally will have no > > hesitation about opening my wallet to buy 8.2 - but then that's > > just me. Undoubtedly, there will be those that will think the new > > version is great and those that may be less than enthusiastic about > > it. I can only give my personal opinion. 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Good day Curtis, thank you for a quick response. :o) Fredag den 14. marts 2003 08:36 kvad Curtis Rey:
If so, has the Mozilla-Java thing been fixed? In 8.1 the Java plugin Mozilla downloaded would not work, because SuSEs Mozilla was compiled with GCC 3, and the plugin was compiled with GCC 2.95
- From my experience the java and flash plugins work as they should. I usually test it at various sites, such as nvidia. It renders their page just like it should. I don't think the issue with the compliers is a problem. Since everything out of the box is compiled with the same version.
So, as I understand you, a working Java plugin is included for Mozilla on the CDs in 8.2. What version of Mozilla is in 8.2? Do you mind doing an 'about:plugins' in mozilla and tell us what Java version is included for Mozilla in 8.2? Best regards :o) Johnny :o)
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Mozilla 1.2.1 Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US' rv:1.2.1) Gecko/20021204 file name javaplugin_oji.so Blackdown Java-Linux Java (TM) Plug-in 1.4.1 application/x-java-applet;version=1.1 application/x-java-applet;version=1.1.1 application/x-java-applet;version=1.1.2 application/x-java-applet;version=1.1.3 application/x-java-applet;version=1.2 application/x-java-applet;version=1.2.1 application/x-java-applet;version=1.2.2 application/x-java-applet;version=1.3 application/x-java-applet;version=1.3.1 application/x-java-applet;version=1.4 application/x-java-applet;version=1.4.1 application/x-java-applet;jpi-version=1.4.1_01 and the Same for the x-java-beans HTH, Curtis On Friday 14 March 2003 02:19 am, Johnny Ernst Nielsen wrote:
Good day Curtis,
thank you for a quick response. :o)
Fredag den 14. marts 2003 08:36 kvad Curtis Rey:
If so, has the Mozilla-Java thing been fixed? In 8.1 the Java plugin Mozilla downloaded would not work, because SuSEs Mozilla was compiled with GCC 3, and the plugin was compiled with GCC 2.95
- From my experience the java and flash plugins work as they should. I usually test it at various sites, such as nvidia. It renders their page just like it should. I don't think the issue with the compliers is a problem. Since everything out of the box is compiled with the same version.
So, as I understand you, a working Java plugin is included for Mozilla on the CDs in 8.2.
What version of Mozilla is in 8.2? Do you mind doing an 'about:plugins' in mozilla and tell us what Java version is included for Mozilla in 8.2?
Best regards :o)
Johnny :o)
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Thank you very much Curtis :o) Best regards :o) Johnny :o) Fredag den 14. marts 2003 09:39 kvad Curtis Rey:
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file name javaplugin_oji.so Blackdown Java-Linux Java (TM) Plug-in 1.4.1
application/x-java-applet;version=1.1 application/x-java-applet;version=1.1.1 application/x-java-applet;version=1.1.2 application/x-java-applet;version=1.1.3 application/x-java-applet;version=1.2 application/x-java-applet;version=1.2.1 application/x-java-applet;version=1.2.2 application/x-java-applet;version=1.3 application/x-java-applet;version=1.3.1 application/x-java-applet;version=1.4 application/x-java-applet;version=1.4.1 application/x-java-applet;jpi-version=1.4.1_01
and the Same for the x-java-beans
HTH, Curtis
What version of Mozilla is in 8.2? Do you mind doing an 'about:plugins' in mozilla and tell us what Java version is included for Mozilla in 8.2?
* Curtis Rey;
Beta testing has closed. It went very well and it was determined that the last series of the test were unneeded due to the fact that the last beta went so well. It has some new features, and has the new things such as X4.3, kde3.1 and a few others integrated. From my personal experience I found 8.2 to be a combination of the previous two releases with more polish and refinements. YaST seems to be better integrated and little more comprehensive. The new kernel has more drivers (actually quite a few more) and IMHO is also a more polished kerenl. Furthermore, IIRC there are some features in the kernal the might be from 2.5 that were in a stable state
Well there are also tools like uml (usermode linux which is very insteresting) webmin, QoS wondershaper script ( both with cbq and htb) fetchmsttfonts script was available via YOU ( downloading the fonts from corefonts.sourceforge.net ) once networking is done there is a test phase which is also used to check if there are available updates other then just checking network connection. Postfix is 2.0x there is Exim (however YaST2 can only configure Sendmail and Postfix) Some security tools ie harden_suse was not functioning as it should ( hence it will not be included, bastille IMHO is broken and is not as simple as harden_suse the README.SuSE file has a list of things working and broken. However I think bastille will see a couple of upgrades before it makes it to the final distro SuSEfirewall2 has QoS option also, looks like I need to update the Unofficial Firewall2 document :-( Snort was 1.8.7 ( looks like this will be updated on the final as on the SuSE-Security list it was mentioned as 1.9.1 ) I would say 8.2 is a candidate for desktop fans. However I would not use it as a production server, well I normally do not use any new release anyway. ( my firewall is still running 7.1 with kernel 2.2.19 web/ftp servers running 7.3 with 2.2.19 ) So do not take my words to make a decision as I am conversative on the security and stability side -- Togan Muftuoglu Unofficial SuSE FAQ Maintainer http://dinamizm.ath.cx
The 03.03.13 at 23:06, Curtis Rey wrote:
Furthermore, IIRC there are some features in the kernal the might be from 2.5 that were in a stable state before the freeze (I would need to check this to be certain). The kernel has new "user" space stuff - like frequency scaling (new to the best of my knowledge - Im sure if its not someone will correct me).
Is it related to "Maximum User Real-Time Priority" and "Maximum Kernel Real-time Priority"? -- Cheers, Carlos Robinson
Do you know if the new ide will be available? On Fri, 2003-03-14 at 21:28, Carlos E. R. wrote:
The 03.03.13 at 23:06, Curtis Rey wrote:
Furthermore, IIRC there are some features in the kernal the might be from 2.5 that were in a stable state before the freeze (I would need to check this to be certain). The kernel has new "user" space stuff - like frequency scaling (new to the best of my knowledge - Im sure if its not someone will correct me).
Is it related to "Maximum User Real-Time Priority" and "Maximum Kernel Real-time Priority"?
-- Cheers, Carlos Robinson --
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