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adhak> be done for configuration. The documentation support for adhak> Windows is much more organised and well written but this is adhak> another story. I also don't understand why documentation adhak> concerning installation of server services is absent most adhak> of the times. I urge people writing documents to do their adhak> best in being more precise about how to do the preleminary adhak> installation before moving to other much more sophisticated adhak> options to avoid mixing necessity with luxury. This is the only part I'd have to disagree with... MS Dos 5.0 came with a great manual - huge, detailed, very well written. MS Dos 6 & 6.2 came with little 50-page 'guides' Windows 3.1 came with a great manual, also huge and full of good detail. Windows 95 came with a 'getting started' guide, as did Windows 98, and NT 4. That's not enough docs for anyone. So, if you are really interested in good documentation for *anything* on the computer these days, you need to head over to http://www.fatbrain.com (or your favorite on-line or brick-and-mortar bookseller) and drop some money. If you do that, you'll do great. Personally, I think that the manual I got when I bought SuSE 6.4 off the shelf was the best *included* documentation I've seen since MS Dos 5.0. There is even a silly little click and point style install guide for those folks more accustomed to MS systems. But the real manual has great info about how they layed out the file systems, and all kinds of great stuff about the different programs that most of us normally need. The documentation is there. It's only as good as the folks who write the software make it. Since most of the software we use on Linux systems is free, that means the documentation is also provided by the same group of volunteers. If you want good docs, pay for them. If you want really good docs, read the source code. You can't compare the documentation from MS with the docs on *NIX systems. take a good look at the difference between *click* Start, *click* Help and 'apropos sh'. Choose the style that works best for you, and stick with it. If you think you've hit on a better way to do something than what is included in the packaged docs, write up a FAQ or How-To and plunk it on a web page. Everyone would be glad to see it. --tag -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Timothy A. Gregory tgregory@tarjema.com *NIX Systems Admin Arabic Translator finger tgregory@tarjema.com for my GnuPG Key -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/

My tools for documentation: 1. the O'Reilly section at the local bookstore 2. Lexmark Optra and a huge box of paper 3. Giant stapler from Office Depot Rob. John Meyer wrote:

Just my two cents of the whole documentation issue. I have both the 6.1 and the 6.4 editions of SuSE, manuals included. I'm pleased with both manuals in terms of quality and overview of the whole Linux. Not much difference between the two, but both show a quality in technical writing that just isn't there with the Microsoft version. Even with the "educational version" of the Microsoft developer tools (Visual Studio) comes with very, very poor hard copy documentation (A "Getting Started" guide that is laughable). The online documentation is little better; Visual C++'s online documentation has some errors and some non-standard practices. Maybe Microsoft justifies this by thinking that students will get the documentation in class. But Borland comes with documentation in their student version, so I can hardly see Microsoft's reason. If there's one thing I hope stays the same, it's that the Linux distributions include manuals with the quality of SuSE's both now and in the future. The "getting started" mini-manual is good, but we need something in print to refer to that is substantial.

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> Hi again, So far, I used three flavors of Linux; SuSE, RedHat, > and Caldera. RedHat shows some superiority with respect to SuSE > and it is getting to be the most used one because of the > facility in the configuration of various services provided by > its own Windowing interface system. This is not the case with > SuSE. Caldera shows also some good features. Each to his own, I switched from Redhat to SuSE and have never looked back. Obviously you haven't explore Yasts much, it is vastly superior to Linuxconf (BTW, Linuxconf is not written by Redhat). Also, Yast2 is still in its infancy. > While RedHat has a certification system, I did not hear anything > related to SuSE regarding this issue. A company wishing to > switch to Linux OS will choose RedHat, at least to make sure > that its employees and engineers can deal with this system (they > should be RedHat certified). What about SuSE?? Redhat is the *only* Linux company to go with their own certification and they have taken a lot of heat for it. All of the other Linux Distributions including SuSE support and sponsor a Vendor neutral certification through the nonprofit _Linux Professional Institute_ (LPI). Other big name sponsors of the LPI are IBM and SGI. A person who have gone through the LPI should be able to use and support any distro. Charles -- ===================================================== One Net to rule them all, One Net to find them, One Net to bring them all, and with Linux bind them. ===================================================== -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/

Hi everybody Thankx all for sharing your thoughts and experience in this regard. Actually, many places think seriously to switch to Linux OS. The only problem is that their staff are not trained to deal with this OS. The solution they are looking for is to either: 1. Push their staff to train themselves by themselves. 2. A more elegant way is to be certified (although as mentioned by somebody this does not mean too much). I believe that Linux can be better used in Academia and Companies since it provides a cheap UNIX-like system. There are also people who are against Linux and do not even want to considere it. Why?? Well, in my personal view, they are afraid to go to something they do not know and loose their status of experts in Windows for example. Think of somebody being a Windows or Unix network administrator since many years. How he is going to look at himself when dealing with this new OS for him. He will simply try to ignore it and pretend that it is not stable yet. As an anecdote: Somebody asked me to install Linux 6.3 on his PC. I did not have time at that very moment so he asked sombody else to help him in the installation process. That person installed RedHat 6.2. When I asked him why did you go to RedHat instead of SuSE. He simply replied that "RedHat is more stable". I fact he is not even familiar with the basic of the LINUX OS. This is just to give you an idea about how judgments are made on the-fly. Regards -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/

I really do not understand all this distribution constrination. Linux is linux. The stupid gui config apps vary from distro to distro but the stuff underneath is largely the same. For that matter on a personal note X makes me PUKE and thus I hardly see any difference asside from featureset. I use SuSE because of the committment to reiserfs and LVM. For that matter I am very, very dismayed that SuSE does not see fit to help those technologies over to PPC. Beyond that I see no real reason for brand loyalty. Linux is Linux. It has its uses. -mab On Sun, 25 Jun 2000, adhak wrote:

Hi again,

So far, I used three flavors of Linux; SuSE, RedHat, and Caldera. RedHat shows some superiority with respect to SuSE and it is getting to be the most used one because of the facility in the configuration of various services provided by its own Windowing interface system. This is not the case with SuSE. Caldera shows also some good features. While RedHat has a certification system, I did not hear anything related to SuSE regarding this issue. A company wishing to switch to Linux OS will choose RedHat, at least to make sure that its employees and engineers can deal with this system (they should be RedHat certified). What about SuSE??

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Hi again,

So far, I used three flavors of Linux; SuSE, RedHat, and Caldera. RedHat shows some superiority with respect to SuSE and it is getting to be

most used one because of the facility in the configuration of various services provided by its own Windowing interface system. This is not

I've just had some details about courses run by a SuSE auhtorised training centre in the UK, The Computer Park I think the url is: http://www.computerpark.co.uk I have absolutley no connection with them, except that I might be a paying customer - so long as my Best Half agrees to me spending the money. Anyway, isn't there a chap in the States setting up accredited industry qualifications, regardless of distro. I think he had a stand at the Expo. Anyone got the url for him please? -- paul ----- Original Message ----- From: adhak To: Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2000 3:59 PM Subject: [SLE] SuSE certification, is there any? the the

case with SuSE. Caldera shows also some good features. While RedHat has a certification system, I did not hear anything related to SuSE regarding this issue. A company wishing to switch to Linux OS will choose RedHat, at least to make sure that its employees and engineers can deal with this system (they should be RedHat certified). What about SuSE??

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