On Sunday January 11 2009, Steve Jeppesen wrote:

On Sun, 11 Jan 2009 06:59:04 -0500

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If they have not, how can I get them installed?

I usually look for the Arial font to see if the ttf fonts were installed.

I am not sure if attachments are allowed or not, but I've attached a fetchmsttfonts.sh file to this email. If the attachment comes thru, great. If not, do a search on the net for that file.

It worked for my 11.1 install even though there were alot of error msg's. YMMV

Steve

Does anyone have any suggestions on how to get the Microsoft fonts on an openSUSE 11.1 system that don't involve scripts of unknown origin, that produce "a lot of error messages" and bypass the RPM system? I found an RPM spec file and instructions for building a Microsoft font RPM, but the build script requires a utility called ttmkfdir which I cannot find. Any suggestions? Randall Schulz -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Monday January 12 2009, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:

On Monday 2009 January 12 16:34:06 Randall R Schulz wrote:

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Does anyone have any suggestions on how to get the Microsoft fonts on an openSUSE 11.1 system that don't involve scripts of unknown origin, that produce "a lot of error messages" and bypass the RPM system?

The license for the Microsoft fonts package does not allow your to repackage them. In particular, you aren't allowed to turn the .cab into a .rpm. So, you probably won't see such a method from a responsible distributor.

Yeah. Interestingly enough, I found an irresponsible one. You know, given how picky I am about fonts (*), I'd gladly pay a reasonable price for the MS fonts, which is more than I can say for most of what they sell... (*) I'm not claiming I have superior taste or discrimination in typography, only that I know what matters to me for video monitor purposes, and no one has matched Microsoft for my needs in that area. Randall Schulz -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Just an update. I used the link and got the fetchmsttfonts.sh script. This script was located on the openSUSE website and is the Microsoft fonts install script for the openSUSE 11.0 distribution. The script worked fine and now I have Microsoft fonts on my 11.1 install. I am not sure why, but the pullin script for the Microsoft fonts did not work in the 11.1 install. Thanks for all of the help in getting this resolved. Dave ________________________________ From: Randall R Schulz To: opensuse@opensuse.org Sent: Monday, January 12, 2009 5:34:06 PM Subject: Re: [opensuse] Microsoft fonts On Sunday January 11 2009, Steve Jeppesen wrote:

On Sun, 11 Jan 2009 06:59:04 -0500

Dave wrote:

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If they have not, how can I get them installed?

I usually look for the Arial font to see if the ttf fonts were installed.

I am not sure if attachments are allowed or not, but I've attached a fetchmsttfonts.sh file to this email. If the attachment comes thru, great. If not, do a search on the net for that file.

It worked for my 11.1 install even though there were alot of error msg's. YMMV

Steve

Does anyone have any suggestions on how to get the Microsoft fonts on an openSUSE 11.1 system that don't involve scripts of unknown origin, that produce "a lot of error messages" and bypass the RPM system? I found an RPM spec file and instructions for building a Microsoft font RPM, but the build script requires a utility called ttmkfdir which I cannot find. Any suggestions? Randall Schulz -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On 2009/01/12 14:34 (GMT-0800) Randall R Schulz composed:

Does anyone have any suggestions on how to get the Microsoft fonts on an openSUSE 11.1 system that don't involve scripts of unknown origin, that produce "a lot of error messages" and bypass the RPM system?

I found an RPM spec file and instructions for building a Microsoft font RPM, but the build script requires a utility called ttmkfdir which I cannot find.

Any suggestions?

If you already have those ttf files available somewhere, just copy them to someplace fontconfig knows about. Among such places is ~/.fonts. No need for a script or rpm. Even if you don't have the ttfs readily available, you can fetch the cabs with wget, curl or a web browser, and cabextract them to ttf files that you can copy anyplace you please. Again, no need for a script or rpm. Fontconfig really doesn't care how you get your ttf files. :-) -- "Train a child in the way he should go, and when he is old he will not turn from it." Proverbs 22:6 NIV Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Tue, 2009-01-13 at 07:58 +0100, Catimimi wrote:

Felix Miata a écrit :

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On 2009/01/12 14:34 (GMT-0800) Randall R Schulz composed:

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Does anyone have any suggestions on how to get the Microsoft fonts on an openSUSE 11.1 system that don't involve scripts of unknown origin, that produce "a lot of error messages" and bypass the RPM system?

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I found an RPM spec file and instructions for building a Microsoft font RPM, but the build script requires a utility called ttmkfdir which I cannot find.

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Hi, Have a look here :

ftp://ftp5.gwdg.de/pub/linux/misc/suser-jengelh/SUSE-11.1/noarch/MicrosoftFonts-1-jen14.noarch.rpm

Michel.

These are two links I have for MS fonts For Core Fonts: http://web.nickshanks.com/typography/corefonts For Vista Fonts: http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/17986507/ They are in the aeroconcept.rar package. I do not care neither I use MS fonts, however they are important if you exchange documents with MS office for example. They used to be in as an rpm in the dvd that came in the box. I still have a second dvd that came in the retail box of opensuse 11.1 that I do not know what contains. I run Carlos script and works great. There are many ways to install fonts, my approach when I do a clean upgrade is to copy the content of ~/.fonts to the new version. To install new fonts I just copy them into this directory. Of course in this case are only available the the user. To do system wide fonts use the installer of copy to the other fonts directories. Take a look at /etc/fonts/fonts.conf file in and make sure ~./fonts is in the font directory list. So far I have never had to play with this file. As I said copying ~/.fonts is fast and you never had to look for MS fonts. -=terry(Denver)=- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On 2009/01/13 08:14 (GMT-0500) Carlos E. R. composed:

On Monday, 2009-01-12 at 23:17 -0500, Felix Miata wrote:

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If you already have those ttf files available somewhere, just copy them to someplace fontconfig knows about. Among such places is ~/.fonts. No need for a script or rpm.

/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/truetype/

That's obsolete in 11.0-up (maybe in 10.3 too?). Most of us are not using Xorg.6 any more. Try /usr/share/fonts/truetype. That's where I have DejaVu & Liberation (among many others). -- "Train a child in the way he should go, and when he is old he will not turn from it." Proverbs 22:6 NIV Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Tue, 2009-01-13 at 14:14 +0100, Carlos E. R. wrote:

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On Monday, 2009-01-12 at 23:17 -0500, Felix Miata wrote:

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Any suggestions?

If you already have those ttf files available somewhere, just copy them to someplace fontconfig knows about. Among such places is ~/.fonts. No need for a script or rpm.

/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/truetype/

This directory is not on my 11.1 install, the directory structure ends at /lib, there is no X11/fonts/truetype/

And if you have a double boot system with windows, just copy the fonts.

Any idea what the *.fon files are in XP's font directory? They come up as executables in Konqueror. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Wed, 2009-01-14 at 01:21 -0500, Felix Miata wrote:

On 2009/01/14 00:39 (GMT-0500) Mike McMullin composed:

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Any idea what the *.fon files are in XP's font directory? They come up as executables in Konqueror.

TTF files are executables too. FON files are Windows bitmap fonts.

Thanks Felix, I had copies over the .ttf and .TTF files,and then after seeing Evolution do gnarly things with the fonts, and then crash, I nuked them. I guess I'll wait until the script gets made up for 11.1. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On 2009/01/14 11:26 (GMT+0100) Carlos E. R. composed:

On Wednesday, 2009-01-14 at 01:21 -0500, Felix Miata wrote:

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On 2009/01/14 00:39 (GMT-0500) Mike McMullin composed:

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Any idea what the *.fon files are in XP's font directory? They come up as executables in Konqueror.

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TTF files are executables too. FON files are Windows bitmap fonts.

No, they are not executable.

TTF files include programs (sets of instructions) that generate glyphs and hinting, thus are executable. That you cannot run them from a shell prompt doesn't change that character. http://www.microsoft.com/typography/otspec/TTCH01.htm -- "Train a child in the way he should go, and when he is old he will not turn from it." Proverbs 22:6 NIV Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On 2009/01/14 14:23 (GMT+0100) Carlos E. R. composed:

On Wednesday, 2009-01-14 at 07:46 -0500, Felix Miata wrote:

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TTF files are executables too. FON files are Windows bitmap fonts.

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No, they are not executable.

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TTF files include programs (sets of instructions) that generate glyphs and hinting, thus are executable. That you cannot run them from a shell prompt doesn't change that character. http://www.microsoft.com/typography/otspec/TTCH01.htm

Maybe...

Not maybe. Did you read the link? They are executable code that happens to require a special type of interpreter to execute.

...they should not have the executable flag in linux.

True, though it doesn't hurt anything if they do. ;-) -- "Train a child in the way he should go, and when he is old he will not turn from it." Proverbs 22:6 NIV Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Wednesday 2009 January 14 11:31:14 Randall R Schulz wrote:

On Wednesday January 14 2009, Felix Miata wrote:

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On 2009/01/14 14:23 (GMT+0100) Carlos E. R. composed:

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Maybe...

Not maybe. Did you read the link? They are executable code that happens to require a special type of interpreter to execute.

Which makes it a one of those "yes and no" kind of things. Are Java / JVM or .Net / CLR bytecodes "executable?" Yes and no. No physical hardware in existence will execute them directly, certainly not x86, ia64, MIPS, PPC, etc. processors. Only a suitable virtual machine or interpreter can "execute" them.

Are scripts executable? They don't run on the hardware, they require a suitable virtual machine or interpreter. Are PE/COFF binaries (Win32) executable? They have instructions for the hardware, but also require services from a running OS that Linux doesn't provide natively. Are C++ binaries executable? They have instructions for the hardware, but also require a sizable library which the kernel doesn't provide.

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...they should not have the executable flag in linux.

True, though it doesn't hurt anything if they do. ;-)

Right, 'cause they cannot be executed. Hence, not really "executable."

They can be executed, but they shouldn't have the executable bit set since it doesn't make sense to run them "in isolation". This guideline works well in most situations.[1] A java application or programs should be executable[2], but a java applet or servlet shouldn't. -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. bss@iguanasuicide.net ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.net/ \_/ [1] The biggest holdout is ELF (.so) libraries on Linux. The dynamic linker wants them to be executable for some reason. [2] The kernel support for alternative binary formats is a better solution than every Java or CLR program having to ship a script that is probably JRE / CLR-implementation specific.

On Wednesday 2009 January 14 12:02:05 Randall R Schulz wrote:

On Wednesday January 14 2009, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:

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They can be executed, ...

Then execute one of these files and tell me what it computes!

Results: rasterization of the requested glyph. -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. bss@iguanasuicide.net ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.net/ \_/

On Wednesday 2009 January 14 14:07:41 Randall R Schulz wrote:

On Wednesday January 14 2009, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:

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On Wednesday 2009 January 14 12:02:05 Randall R Schulz wrote:

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On Wednesday January 14 2009, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:

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They can be executed, ...

Then execute one of these files and tell me what it computes!

Results: rasterization of the requested glyph.

BS. Those files _cannot_ be executed.

My ttf renderer here begs to differ. It reads and *executes* commands from the ttf files and blts the result onto an X window.

They are not executable files.

They are executable, but it doesn't make much sense to set their executable bit. -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. bss@iguanasuicide.net ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.net/ \_/

On Wednesday 2009 January 14 14:35:33 Randall R Schulz wrote:

On Wednesday January 14 2009, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:

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They are executable, but it doesn't make much sense to set their executable bit.

If they were, it would. They are not, and it does not.

I disagree with this statement. However, I think it is a matter of opinion. BTW, IANAL. -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. bss@iguanasuicide.net ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.net/ \_/

On Wednesday January 14 2009, Manne Merak wrote:

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Oi, wheres the moderator for this list. This list is hard enough to get through without silly chat discussions going on. (btw, go wikipedia "executable" and just except the entry given there)

You must be new here. RRS -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Wednesday 14 January 2009, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:

On Wednesday 2009 January 14 14:07:41 Randall R Schulz wrote:

They are executable, but it doesn't make much sense to set their executable bit.

Do you not mean they are Readable therefore they are Read and Interpreted the results being displayed. Nit picking of course Pete . -- SuSE Linux 10.3-Alpha3. (Linux is like a wigwam - no Gates, no Windows, and an Apache inside.) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

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On 2009/01/14 14:23 (GMT+0100) Carlos E. R. composed:

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TTF files are executables too. FON files are Windows bitmap fonts.

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No, they are not executable.

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TTF files include programs (sets of instructions) that generate glyphs and hinting, thus are executable. That you cannot run them from a shell prompt doesn't change that character. http://www.microsoft.com/typography/otspec/TTCH01.htm

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Maybe...

Not maybe. Did you read the link? They are executable code that happens to require a special type of interpreter to execute.

I'm not questioning your statement. Postscript is also "code", but we don't call postscript files "executables".

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True, though it doesn't hurt anything if they do. ;-)

Well, I don't like to have files marked as executables if they aren't. It is a risk. And that's the entire sense of the doubt Mike expressed: konqueror shows them as executables perhaps because all files in an vfat tree are considered executables, due to the way they are mounted, and regardless of whether they are really executables or not. That's why I mount vfat with flags "fmask=0117,dmask=0007": nimrodel:~ # ls -l /windows/C/windows/*exe - -rw-rw---- 1 root users 98512 Jun 28 2006 /windows/C/windows/GREUninstall.exe - -rw-rw---- 1 root users 308224 Nov 13 1998 /windows/C/windows/IsUn040a.exe - -rw-rw---- 1 root users 306688 Oct 29 1998 /windows/C/windows/IsUninst.exe - -rw-rw---- 1 root users 99024 Jun 28 2006 /windows/C/windows/MozillaUninstall.exe ... See? Even windows .exe are not flagged "x" in my system. But directories still are: nimrodel:~ # ls -l /windows/C/ total 2096 - -rw-rw---- 1 root users 0 Jun 22 2005 .windows-label - -rw-rw---- 1 root users 1 Jun 22 2005 .windows-serial drwxrwx--- 50 root users 16384 Mar 25 2003 Archivos de programa - -rw-rw---- 1 root users 194 Feb 24 2005 Copia de AUTOEXEC.BAT drwxrwx--- 3 root users 16384 Dec 13 2005 Data However, windows *.fon are indeed executable (in windows at least): nimrodel:/windows/C/windows/fonts # file 8514fix.fon 8514fix.fon: MS-DOS executable, NE for MS Windows 3.x nimrodel:/windows/C/windows/fonts # file arial.ttf arial.ttf: TrueType font data But .ttf, are considered data, and those are the ones we install in linux, AFAIK. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkluOe0ACgkQtTMYHG2NR9XHsgCghJUOUU5dSNuGABKq990xdR6q nAQAnjmrtFZhIfN3w4CbGlYMUIw5uwz2 =/mwp -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org