[opensuse] Change Pulseaudio to default flat-volumes=no
Hello users, I'd like to ask the users here what would they think about changing Pulseaudio's default flat-volumes=yes to flat-volumes=no, to prevent apps like VLC or Amarok or the sound notification popup from modyfing the master sound level on your openSUSE distro. So if I set master to 50% it stay's at 50% and doesn't change when I change Amarok's volume to 100% or 20% for example. That would mean that 100% from Amarok = 50% from master. I am running this right now and it's better than having all the volumes jump up and being very annoying. My audio setup includes two sound cards, a Xonar DX one with Logitech's 5500 speakers (analog 5.1) and a NVIDIA gfx one (HDMI stereo to my monitor). I'd like you guys to express your user opinion about this change, if you think it helps you guys have a better audio session on your openSUSE distro. As per Comment11 [1] in the bug report[2] about the issue, Takashi Iwai suggests to ask the ML first about the change, and if it's wanted enough here then we may get a change upstream also. Thanks for your time reading this. [1] https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=718728#c11 [2] https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=718728 Deiu -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 30/01/14 06:54, Amuraritei Andrei wrote:
Hello users,
I'd like to ask the users here what would they think about changing Pulseaudio's default flat-volumes=yes to flat-volumes=no, to prevent apps like VLC or Amarok or the sound notification popup from modyfing the master sound level on your openSUSE distro.
+1 I make this change every time because I feel the pulseaudio system should function just like a real-world, physical mixer. I had a long (and patronising) email exchange with the upstream devs about it a few years ago - the basic attitude was (quite bizarrely) "that's the way Windows is doing it so that's how we'll do it"... At the time, there was no flat-volumes option at all, so I take a little credit for that; but you're absolutely right - changing the volume in one application should have no effect on other applications' levels and definitely not the master... Dylan -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Dnia czwartek, 30 stycznia 2014 08:54:26 Amuraritei Andrei pisze:
I'd like to ask the users here what would they think about changing Pulseaudio's default flat-volumes=yes to flat-volumes=no, to prevent apps like VLC or Amarok or the sound notification popup from modyfing the master sound level on your openSUSE distro.
I also modify this setting here, so it would be nice to have it already set after installation ;-) So yes, go for it. -- Pozdrawiam / Best regards, Mariusz Fik openSUSE Community Member GPG: 5FCE 7241 B3B9 32FD 455B C30E 42D6 6C88 9E83 7C3D
On Thu, 2014-01-30 at 12:01 +0100, Mariusz Fik wrote:
Dnia czwartek, 30 stycznia 2014 08:54:26 Amuraritei Andrei pisze:
I'd like to ask the users here what would they think about changing Pulseaudio's default flat-volumes=yes to flat-volumes=no, to prevent apps like VLC or Amarok or the sound notification popup from modyfing the master sound level on your openSUSE distro.
I also modify this setting here, so it would be nice to have it already set after installation ;-) So yes, go for it.
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On 30/01/14 06:54, Amuraritei Andrei wrote:
Hello users,
I'd like to ask the users here what would they think about changing Pulseaudio's default flat-volumes=yes to flat-volumes=no, to prevent apps like VLC or Amarok or the sound notification popup from modyfing the master sound level on your openSUSE distro.
So if I set master to 50% it stay's at 50% and doesn't change when I change Amarok's volume to 100% or 20% for example. That would mean that 100% from Amarok = 50% from master.
I am running this right now and it's better than having all the volumes jump up and being very annoying. My audio setup includes two sound cards, a Xonar DX one with Logitech's 5500 speakers (analog 5.1) and a NVIDIA gfx one (HDMI stereo to my monitor).
I'd like you guys to express your user opinion about this change, if you think it helps you guys have a better audio session on your openSUSE distro.
As per Comment11 [1] in the bug report[2] about the issue, Takashi Iwai suggests to ask the ML first about the change, and if it's wanted enough here then we may get a change upstream also.
It might be easier to get an option in the "PulseAudio Configuration" dialog (YaST>Sound>Other...) which currently only has Enable... as an option. Dx -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On Thu, 30 Jan 2014 08:54:26 +0200 Amuraritei Andrei wrote:
Hello users,
I'd like to ask the users here what would they think about changing Pulseaudio's default flat-volumes=yes to flat-volumes=no, to prevent apps like VLC or Amarok or the sound notification popup from modyfing the master sound level on your openSUSE distro.
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Amuraritei Andrei wrote:
I'd like to ask the users here what would they think about changing Pulseaudio's default flat-volumes=yes to flat-volumes=no, to prevent apps like VLC or Amarok or the sound notification popup from modyfing the master sound level on your openSUSE distro.
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On 01/30/14 07:54, Amuraritei Andrei wrote:
Hello users,
I'd like to ask the users here what would they think about changing Pulseaudio's default flat-volumes=yes to flat-volumes=no, to prevent apps like VLC or Amarok or the sound notification popup from modyfing the master sound level on your openSUSE distro.
So if I set master to 50% it stay's at 50% and doesn't change when I change Amarok's volume to 100% or 20% for example. That would mean that 100% from Amarok = 50% from master.
Thanks a lot for this post; I wasn't aware that this option exists. (For others like me: I found it in /etc/pulse/daemon.conf) I tried it and immediately added it to our puppet configuration. It's a much more sane default, go for it. Joachim -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Joachim Schrod, Roedermark, Germany Email: jschrod@acm.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On Thursday 30 January 2014 21:05:01 Joachim Schrod wrote:
On 01/30/14 07:54, Amuraritei Andrei wrote:
Hello users,
I'd like to ask the users here what would they think about changing Pulseaudio's default flat-volumes=yes to flat-volumes=no, to prevent apps like VLC or Amarok or the sound notification popup from modyfing the master sound level on your openSUSE distro.
So if I set master to 50% it stay's at 50% and doesn't change when I change Amarok's volume to 100% or 20% for example. That would mean that 100% from Amarok = 50% from master.
Thanks a lot for this post; I wasn't aware that this option exists. (For others like me: I found it in /etc/pulse/daemon.conf) I tried it and immediately added it to our puppet configuration.
It's a much more sane default, go for it.
Joachim
Seems to be a better default, still the people that develop Pulseaudio think that the opposite is true. We still need some more people to "voice" their opinion on this matter. Maybe also post a little info about your audio setup. For example: KDE 4.12.x DE using Pavucontrol and Kmix. I already posted my audio setup. I'm asking for the info to make sure that others that don't use KDE for example benefit or like the option also. Anyone using Gnome or another DE or maybe a separate WM here? What do you think. Also to get this we probably need to upvote a feature (if it still exists on openFATE or create a new one). Deiu -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 2014-01-30 22:20 (GMT+0200) Amuraritei Andrei composed:
I'd like to ask the users here what would they think about changing Pulseaudio's default flat-volumes=yes to flat-volumes=no, to prevent apps like VLC or Amarok or the sound notification popup from modyfing the master sound level on your openSUSE distro.
So if I set master to 50% it stay's at 50% and doesn't change when I change Amarok's volume to 100% or 20% for example. That would mean that 100% from Amarok = 50% from master.
We still need some more people to "voice" their opinion on this matter. Maybe also post a little info about your audio setup.
I think upstream is nuts on this. Make the change. -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 1/30/2014 12:20 PM, Amuraritei Andrei wrote:
On Thursday 30 January 2014 21:05:01 Joachim Schrod wrote:
On 01/30/14 07:54, Amuraritei Andrei wrote:
Hello users,
I'd like to ask the users here what would they think about changing Pulseaudio's default flat-volumes=yes to flat-volumes=no, to prevent apps like VLC or Amarok or the sound notification popup from modyfing the master sound level on your openSUSE distro.
So if I set master to 50% it stay's at 50% and doesn't change when I change Amarok's volume to 100% or 20% for example. That would mean that 100% from Amarok = 50% from master.
Thanks a lot for this post; I wasn't aware that this option exists. (For others like me: I found it in /etc/pulse/daemon.conf) I tried it and immediately added it to our puppet configuration.
It's a much more sane default, go for it.
Joachim
Seems to be a better default, still the people that develop Pulseaudio think that the opposite is true.
We still need some more people to "voice" their opinion on this matter. Maybe also post a little info about your audio setup.
For example: KDE 4.12.x DE using Pavucontrol and Kmix.
I already posted my audio setup. I'm asking for the info to make sure that others that don't use KDE for example benefit or like the option also. Anyone using Gnome or another DE or maybe a separate WM here? What do you think.
Also to get this we probably need to upvote a feature (if it still exists on openFATE or create a new one).
Deiu
I'm planning to play with this today. Its always annoyed me a little when trying to tone down some youtube video screws up the whole music player. I've also found those Pulse dev guys are pretty hard to deal with, probably from years of dealing with users while their product pretty much sucked, and now that it works pretty well they are still acting all defensive. They are no where near as bad as the petulant Amarok divas, who will insult you for even making a polite suggestion. -- _____________________________________ ---This space for rent--- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 01/30/14 21:20, Amuraritei Andrei wrote:
We still need some more people to "voice" their opinion on this matter. Maybe also post a little info about your audio setup.
For example: KDE 4.12.x DE using Pavucontrol and Kmix.
no desktop environment at all; PulseAudio with pavucontrol et.al., using it since 11.4. Your recommendation gave a big improvement here; both me and my colleagues very much appreciate it. Joachim PS: This reminds me that I haven't had proper sound device access support since systemd-logind was introduced. According to http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/the-biggest-myths.html myth #22, everything should be controllable from the command line. Maybe I should inquire how to start a new systemd seat from the command line... ;-) But then, probably I will be educated that I'm not supposed to start X from a command line. Because, we all know, command lines are evil... :-/ -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Joachim Schrod, Roedermark, Germany Email: jschrod@acm.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 31/01/14 06:20, Amuraritei Andrei wrote:
On Thursday 30 January 2014 21:05:01 Joachim Schrod wrote:
On 01/30/14 07:54, Amuraritei Andrei wrote:
Amarok's volume to 100% or 20% for example. That would mean that 100% from Amarok = 50% from master. Thanks a lot for this post; I wasn't aware that this option exists.
It's a much more sane default, go for it.
Joachim Also to get this we probably need to upvote a feature (if it still exists on openFATE or create a new one).
Deiu +1 Definitely!
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On Friday 31 January 2014 19:36:21 John Bennett wrote:
On 31/01/14 06:20, Amuraritei Andrei wrote:
On Thursday 30 January 2014 21:05:01 Joachim Schrod wrote:
On 01/30/14 07:54, Amuraritei Andrei wrote:
Amarok's volume to 100% or 20% for example. That would mean that 100% from Amarok = 50% from master.
Thanks a lot for this post; I wasn't aware that this option exists.
It's a much more sane default, go for it.
Joachim
Also to get this we probably need to upvote a feature (if it still exists on openFATE or create a new one).
Deiu
+1 Definitely!
Hi all, Please take a little time to vote this feature so it can become more "visible" that it's wanted from it's users. https://features.opensuse.org/310668 Thanks. Deiu -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 1/31/2014 2:39 AM, Amuraritei Andrei wrote:
On Friday 31 January 2014 19:36:21 John Bennett wrote:
On 31/01/14 06:20, Amuraritei Andrei wrote:
On Thursday 30 January 2014 21:05:01 Joachim Schrod wrote:
On 01/30/14 07:54, Amuraritei Andrei wrote:
Amarok's volume to 100% or 20% for example. That would mean that 100% from Amarok = 50% from master.
Thanks a lot for this post; I wasn't aware that this option exists.
It's a much more sane default, go for it.
Joachim
Also to get this we probably need to upvote a feature (if it still exists on openFATE or create a new one).
Deiu
+1 Definitely!
Hi all,
Please take a little time to vote this feature so it can become more "visible" that it's wanted from it's users.
https://features.opensuse.org/310668
Thanks.
Deiu
This has either become the internet's most demanded feature and the server is completely swamped, or there is something wrong with the sign in option. It never returns from username and password entry. -- _____________________________________ ---This space for rent--- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
В Fri, 31 Jan 2014 11:17:57 -0800 John Andersen <jsamyth@gmail.com> пишет:
This has either become the internet's most demanded feature and the server is completely swamped, or there is something wrong with the sign in option. It never returns from username and password entry.
I cannot login into OBS right now as well. I can login into forums so apparently they are using different authentication backends. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
* John Andersen <jsamyth@gmail.com> [01-31-14 14:19]:
On 1/31/2014 2:39 AM, Amuraritei Andrei wrote: [...]
Please take a little time to vote this feature so it can become more "visible" that it's wanted from it's users.
https://features.opensuse.org/310668
Thanks.
Deiu
This has either become the internet's most demanded feature and the server is completely swamped, or there is something wrong with the sign in option. It never returns from username and password entry.
It appears to be working again :^) -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member facebook/ptilopteri http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://linuxcounter.net -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On Thursday 30 January 2014 21:05:01 Joachim Schrod wrote:
On 01/30/14 07:54, Amuraritei Andrei wrote:
Hello users,
I'd like to ask the users here what would they think about changing Pulseaudio's default flat-volumes=yes to flat-volumes=no, to prevent apps like VLC or Amarok or the sound notification popup from modyfing the master sound level on your openSUSE distro.
So if I set master to 50% it stay's at 50% and doesn't change when I change Amarok's volume to 100% or 20% for example. That would mean that 100% from Amarok = 50% from master.
Thanks a lot for this post; I wasn't aware that this option exists. (For others like me: I found it in /etc/pulse/daemon.conf) I tried it and immediately added it to our puppet configuration.
It's a much more sane default, go for it.
Joachim
Seems to be a better default, still the people that develop Pulseaudio think that the opposite is true. We still need some more people to "voice" their opinion on this matter. Maybe also post a little info about your audio setup. For example: KDE 4.12.x DE using Pavucontrol and Kmix. I already posted my audio setup. I'm asking for the info to make sure that others that don't use KDE for example benefit or like the option also. Anyone using Gnome or another DE or maybe a separate WM here? What do you think. Also to get this we probably need to upvote a feature (if it still exists on openFATE or create a new one). EDIT: Forgot to mention this thread, where others are expressing they're POV on the subject, also confirming and agreeing to making the change. [1] https://forums.opensuse.org/showthread.php/494849-KMix-PulseAudio-Streams-an... Deiu -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
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