[opensuse] Turn off computer
Hello, 1. Newbie, don't knock !!! 2. When selecting : 'Turn off computer', all the services seem to go down in due order until 'turn off sound card' included. 3. Then nothing... My PC does not get powered off. (I have to pull the plug to put it to sleep). 4. I got a HP PC SET A6543/W2216, 4GB CPU, 500 GB HD 5. Running on openSuse/Novell 10.3. (Higher versions cannot be mastered by newbies). 6. Is there a trick to get my PC powered off in a say 'regular' mode ? tks for help. JPA -- LINUX SOIGNE VOS BITS !!! BUERSTET IHRE BITS SAUBER MIT LINUX !!! GIVE YOUR BITS A GOOD SHINE WITH LINUX !!! -- M'SOFT C'EST DE LA MINI MERDE DE MOUCHE !!! M'SOFT IST EIN MINI FLIEGENFLADEN !!! M'SOFT IS A MINI FLYSHIT !!! -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Hi Jean-Pierre, did you try the acpi=force option in the grub menu? Just apend to the boot options. /boot/grub/menu.lst : kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.27.23-0.1-default root=/dev/disk/by-id ..... acpi=off Please tell me if that helps. Cheers, Martin Am Mittwoch, 22. Juli 2009 18:50:47 schrieb Jean-Pierre Abgottspon:
Hello,
1. Newbie, don't knock !!! 2. When selecting : 'Turn off computer', all the services seem to go down in due order until 'turn off sound card' included. 3. Then nothing... My PC does not get powered off. (I have to pull the plug to put it to sleep). 4. I got a HP PC SET A6543/W2216, 4GB CPU, 500 GB HD 5. Running on openSuse/Novell 10.3. (Higher versions cannot be mastered by newbies). 6. Is there a trick to get my PC powered off in a say 'regular' mode ?
tks for help. JPA -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Hello Martin, 1. Did manage to check into the boot/grub/menu.lst 2. Did find the acpi option already set to acpi=off 3. My vmlinuz version reads: ...vmlinuz 2.6.22.5-31-default... Well... tks for help. It does not help, or did you mean that I enter acpi=force instead of acpi=off ? Bye JPA On Wednesday 22 July 2009 10:32:25 pm Martin Jedamzik wrote: Hi Jean-Pierre,
did you try the acpi=force option in the grub menu? Just apend to the boot options.
/boot/grub/menu.lst :
kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.27.23-0.1-default root=/dev/disk/by-id ..... acpi=off
Please tell me if that helps.
Cheers, Martin
Am Mittwoch, 22. Juli 2009 18:50:47 schrieb Jean-Pierre Abgottspon:
Hello,
1. Newbie, don't knock !!! 2. When selecting : 'Turn off computer', all the services seem to go down in due order until 'turn off sound card' included. 3. Then nothing... My PC does not get powered off. (I have to pull the plug to put it to sleep). 4. I got a HP PC SET A6543/W2216, 4GB CPU, 500 GB HD 5. Running on openSuse/Novell 10.3. (Higher versions cannot be mastered by newbies). 6. Is there a trick to get my PC powered off in a say 'regular' mode ?
tks for help. JPA
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Am Donnerstag, 23. Juli 2009 01:01:21 schrieb Jean-Pierre Abgottspon:
Hello Martin,
1. Did manage to check into the boot/grub/menu.lst 2. Did find the acpi option already set to acpi=off 3. My vmlinuz version reads: ...vmlinuz 2.6.22.5-31-default...
Well... tks for help. It does not help, or did you mean that I enter acpi=force instead of acpi=off ? Bye JPA
On Wednesday 22 July 2009 10:32:25 pm Martin Jedamzik wrote: Hi Jean-Pierre,
did you try the acpi=force option in the grub menu? Just apend to the boot options.
/boot/grub/menu.lst :
kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.27.23-0.1-default root=/dev/disk/by-id ..... acpi=off
Please tell me if that helps.
Cheers, Martin
Am Mittwoch, 22. Juli 2009 18:50:47 schrieb Jean-Pierre Abgottspon:
Hello,
1. Newbie, don't knock !!! 2. When selecting : 'Turn off computer', all the services seem to go down in due order until 'turn off sound card' included. 3. Then nothing... My PC does not get powered off. (I have to pull the plug to put it to sleep). 4. I got a HP PC SET A6543/W2216, 4GB CPU, 500 GB HD 5. Running on openSuse/Novell 10.3. (Higher versions cannot be mastered by newbies). 6. Is there a trick to get my PC powered off in a say 'regular' mode ?
tks for help. JPA
Hello Jean -Pierre, aaarrrggghhh :-( You're right, it should have been acpi=force. Sorry for my mistake. Besides, if you want to know more about these options, please read /usr/src/linux/Documentation/kernel-parameters.txt Cheer, Martin -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Thursday 23 July 2009 10:02:10 am Martin Jedamzik wrote:
Am Donnerstag, 23. Juli 2009 01:01:21 schrieb Jean-Pierre Abgottspon:
Hello Martin,
1. Did manage to check into the boot/grub/menu.lst 2. Did find the acpi option already set to acpi=off 3. My vmlinuz version reads: ...vmlinuz 2.6.22.5-31-default...
Well... tks for help. It does not help, or did you mean that I enter acpi=force instead of acpi=off ? Bye JPA
On Wednesday 22 July 2009 10:32:25 pm Martin Jedamzik wrote: Hi Jean-Pierre,
did you try the acpi=force option in the grub menu? Just apend to the boot options.
/boot/grub/menu.lst :
kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.27.23-0.1-default root=/dev/disk/by-id ..... acpi=off
Please tell me if that helps.
Cheers, Martin
Am Mittwoch, 22. Juli 2009 18:50:47 schrieb Jean-Pierre Abgottspon:
Hello,
1. Newbie, don't knock !!! 2. When selecting : 'Turn off computer', all the services seem to go down in due order until 'turn off sound card' included. 3. Then nothing... My PC does not get powered off. (I have to pull the plug to put it to sleep). 4. I got a HP PC SET A6543/W2216, 4GB CPU, 500 GB HD 5. Running on openSuse/Novell 10.3. (Higher versions cannot be mastered by newbies). 6. Is there a trick to get my PC powered off in a say 'regular' mode ?
tks for help. JPA
Hello Jean -Pierre,
aaarrrggghhh :-(
You're right, it should have been acpi=force.
Sorry for my mistake.
Besides, if you want to know more about these options, please read /usr/src/linux/Documentation/kernel-parameters.txt
Cheer, Martin
Dear Martin, 1. Fine ! I changed it to 'acpi = force' 2. Went thru the log off procedure. 3. Same procedure... aaaaaargh ! I still had to switch off my PC manually. Thus it does not do what I want. Grrrrr ! My own comments: first degree A. It seemed to me that the 'menu.list' much resembled like a comment description rather than a file where you modify settings ??? My own comments: second degree A. I had happily lived with a 'Compac Pro' PC running on OpenSuse for a few years and came to realise that I was lacking bit power to keep going with pictures, movies downloads, uploads and the like. B. Thus I got myself a new HP PC with 4 G in CPU and 500 G HD in Feb 2009. At the same time I decided to get going and start using my PC for something more than just reading Kmail and browsing with Firefox. Well that's when it started. The first thing I discovered was that apart from a more than remarkable stability (one does not have to go thru 'Alt-Ctrl-Del' every half hour) LINUX was not as magic as it seemed. C. I had joined Suse by sheer luck and the deep conviction that an OS with a delicately elegant organizational tree: Root, Bin, User, Tmp, etc. would keep myself in a sane psycho condition for the rest of my life. D. Not so. Together with my new PC, I bought OpenSuse/Novell 11.1. What a nightmare ! Nothing worked ! I could not even set up my communication line which is the ULTRA simple one: Home-user, internal comm-card, modem, plug to the phone line, provider. Simple. I never managed to come to the point where one declares his activation code. Nothing worked ! Fantasmagoric ! There wasn't even a roster to select one's printer from ! E. Straightforward tactics, I reverted to the Suse version 10.3. At the same time I told myself that from now on, in this Suse world, I solve one trouble after the other. Example: 'Turn off computer'. Never had any trouble with it on my earlier Compac. Why tolerate it with my new PC ? See what I went thru: 1. Joined the 'Lizards'. 2. Martin gives me 2 replies on 'turn off computer'. 3. Does not work. 4. Take the basic option: stay with Linux. There is a ray of reason which shines out from Scandinavia ! Linux is still the only option in a virtual mad world. 4.a) reload 'midnight commander' which got somehow rubbished off during the 11.1 episode. 4.b) in a more than hesitant manner replace 'acpi=off' by acpi=force 4.c) in the now famous Chinese manner taking a big jump backwards, rather than forward, that is: getting nowhere. 5. Get up every morning. Go thru my Linux worshiper's routine: race around the house in circles, stop, bend down to the earth and shout: L-I-N-U-X !!! Come to help !!! 6. Sometimes look up the Lizards' mailing list just to see if someday someone unlike you Mart comes up with the correct answer. Tks Mart. You gave it a good try. Didn't help, but it's a good try anyhow. Wingeing can be a good feel sometimes. JPA -- LINUX SOIGNE VOS BITS !!! BUERSTET IHRE BITS SAUBER MIT LINUX !!! GIVE YOUR BITS A GOOD SHINE WITH LINUX !!! -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Jean-Pierre Abgottspon pecked at the keyboard and wrote:
On Thursday 23 July 2009 10:02:10 am Martin Jedamzik wrote:
Am Donnerstag, 23. Juli 2009 01:01:21 schrieb Jean-Pierre Abgottspon:
Hello Martin,
1. Did manage to check into the boot/grub/menu.lst 2. Did find the acpi option already set to acpi=off 3. My vmlinuz version reads: ...vmlinuz 2.6.22.5-31-default...
Well... tks for help. It does not help, or did you mean that I enter acpi=force instead of acpi=off ? Bye JPA
On Wednesday 22 July 2009 10:32:25 pm Martin Jedamzik wrote: Hi Jean-Pierre,
did you try the acpi=force option in the grub menu? Just apend to the boot options.
/boot/grub/menu.lst :
kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.27.23-0.1-default root=/dev/disk/by-id ..... acpi=off
Please tell me if that helps.
Cheers, Martin
Am Mittwoch, 22. Juli 2009 18:50:47 schrieb Jean-Pierre Abgottspon:
Hello,
1. Newbie, don't knock !!! 2. When selecting : 'Turn off computer', all the services seem to go down in due order until 'turn off sound card' included. 3. Then nothing... My PC does not get powered off. (I have to pull the plug to put it to sleep). 4. I got a HP PC SET A6543/W2216, 4GB CPU, 500 GB HD 5. Running on openSuse/Novell 10.3. (Higher versions cannot be mastered by newbies). 6. Is there a trick to get my PC powered off in a say 'regular' mode ?
tks for help. JPA Hello Jean -Pierre,
aaarrrggghhh :-(
You're right, it should have been acpi=force.
Sorry for my mistake.
Besides, if you want to know more about these options, please read /usr/src/linux/Documentation/kernel-parameters.txt
Cheer, Martin
Dear Martin,
1. Fine ! I changed it to 'acpi = force' 2. Went thru the log off procedure. 3. Same procedure... aaaaaargh ! I still had to switch off my PC manually. Thus it does not do what I want. Grrrrr !
My own comments: first degree
A. It seemed to me that the 'menu.list' much resembled like a comment description rather than a file where you modify settings ???
My own comments: second degree
A. I had happily lived with a 'Compac Pro' PC running on OpenSuse for a few years and came to realise that I was lacking bit power to keep going with pictures, movies downloads, uploads and the like.
B. Thus I got myself a new HP PC with 4 G in CPU and 500 G HD in Feb 2009. At the same time I decided to get going and start using my PC for something more than just reading Kmail and browsing with Firefox. Well that's when it started. The first thing I discovered was that apart from a more than remarkable stability (one does not have to go thru 'Alt-Ctrl-Del' every half hour) LINUX was not as magic as it seemed.
C. I had joined Suse by sheer luck and the deep conviction that an OS with a delicately elegant organizational tree: Root, Bin, User, Tmp, etc. would keep myself in a sane psycho condition for the rest of my life.
D. Not so. Together with my new PC, I bought OpenSuse/Novell 11.1. What a nightmare ! Nothing worked ! I could not even set up my communication line which is the ULTRA simple one: Home-user, internal comm-card, modem, plug to the phone line, provider. Simple. I never managed to come to the point where one declares his activation code. Nothing worked ! Fantasmagoric ! There wasn't even a roster to select one's printer from !
E. Straightforward tactics, I reverted to the Suse version 10.3. At the same time I told myself that from now on, in this Suse world, I solve one trouble after the other. Example: 'Turn off computer'. Never had any trouble with it on my earlier Compac. Why tolerate it with my new PC ? See what I went thru:
1. Joined the 'Lizards'. 2. Martin gives me 2 replies on 'turn off computer'. 3. Does not work. 4. Take the basic option: stay with Linux. There is a ray of reason which shines out from Scandinavia ! Linux is still the only option in a virtual mad world. 4.a) reload 'midnight commander' which got somehow rubbished off during the 11.1 episode. 4.b) in a more than hesitant manner replace 'acpi=off' by acpi=force 4.c) in the now famous Chinese manner taking a big jump backwards, rather than forward, that is: getting nowhere. 5. Get up every morning. Go thru my Linux worshiper's routine: race around the house in circles, stop, bend down to the earth and shout: L-I-N-U-X !!! Come to help !!! 6. Sometimes look up the Lizards' mailing list just to see if someday someone unlike you Mart comes up with the correct answer.
Tks Mart. You gave it a good try. Didn't help, but it's a good try anyhow. Wingeing can be a good feel sometimes. JPA
Keep in mind that you have to reboot for the change to take effect, not merely shutdown. Making the change does not change the running kernel. -- Ken Schneider SuSe since Version 5.2, June 1998 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Am Freitag 24 Juli 2009 23:39:51 schrieb Ken Schneider - openSUSE:
Jean-Pierre Abgottspon pecked at the keyboard and wrote:
On Thursday 23 July 2009 10:02:10 am Martin Jedamzik wrote:
Am Donnerstag, 23. Juli 2009 01:01:21 schrieb Jean-Pierre Abgottspon:
Hello Martin,
1. Did manage to check into the boot/grub/menu.lst 2. Did find the acpi option already set to acpi=off 3. My vmlinuz version reads: ...vmlinuz 2.6.22.5-31-default...
Well... tks for help. It does not help, or did you mean that I enter acpi=force instead of acpi=off ? Bye JPA
On Wednesday 22 July 2009 10:32:25 pm Martin Jedamzik wrote: Hi Jean-Pierre,
did you try the acpi=force option in the grub menu? Just apend to the boot options.
/boot/grub/menu.lst :
kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.27.23-0.1-default root=/dev/disk/by-id ..... acpi=off
Please tell me if that helps.
Cheers, Martin
Am Mittwoch, 22. Juli 2009 18:50:47 schrieb Jean-Pierre Abgottspon:
Hello,
1. Newbie, don't knock !!! 2. When selecting : 'Turn off computer', all the services seem to go down in due order until 'turn off sound card' included. 3. Then nothing... My PC does not get powered off. (I have to pull the plug to put it to sleep). 4. I got a HP PC SET A6543/W2216, 4GB CPU, 500 GB HD 5. Running on openSuse/Novell 10.3. (Higher versions cannot be mastered by newbies). 6. Is there a trick to get my PC powered off in a say 'regular' mode ?
tks for help. JPA
Hello Jean -Pierre,
aaarrrggghhh :-(
You're right, it should have been acpi=force.
Sorry for my mistake.
Besides, if you want to know more about these options, please read /usr/src/linux/Documentation/kernel-parameters.txt
Cheer, Martin
Dear Martin,
1. Fine ! I changed it to 'acpi = force' 2. Went thru the log off procedure. 3. Same procedure... aaaaaargh ! I still had to switch off my PC manually. Thus it does not do what I want. Grrrrr !
My own comments: first degree
A. It seemed to me that the 'menu.list' much resembled like a comment description rather than a file where you modify settings ???
My own comments: second degree
A. I had happily lived with a 'Compac Pro' PC running on OpenSuse for a few years and came to realise that I was lacking bit power to keep going with pictures, movies downloads, uploads and the like.
B. Thus I got myself a new HP PC with 4 G in CPU and 500 G HD in Feb 2009. At the same time I decided to get going and start using my PC for something more than just reading Kmail and browsing with Firefox. Well that's when it started. The first thing I discovered was that apart from a more than remarkable stability (one does not have to go thru 'Alt-Ctrl-Del' every half hour) LINUX was not as magic as it seemed.
C. I had joined Suse by sheer luck and the deep conviction that an OS with a delicately elegant organizational tree: Root, Bin, User, Tmp, etc. would keep myself in a sane psycho condition for the rest of my life.
D. Not so. Together with my new PC, I bought OpenSuse/Novell 11.1. What a nightmare ! Nothing worked ! I could not even set up my communication line which is the ULTRA simple one: Home-user, internal comm-card, modem, plug to the phone line, provider. Simple. I never managed to come to the point where one declares his activation code. Nothing worked ! Fantasmagoric ! There wasn't even a roster to select one's printer from !
E. Straightforward tactics, I reverted to the Suse version 10.3. At the same time I told myself that from now on, in this Suse world, I solve one trouble after the other. Example: 'Turn off computer'. Never had any trouble with it on my earlier Compac. Why tolerate it with my new PC ? See what I went thru:
1. Joined the 'Lizards'. 2. Martin gives me 2 replies on 'turn off computer'. 3. Does not work. 4. Take the basic option: stay with Linux. There is a ray of reason which shines out from Scandinavia ! Linux is still the only option in a virtual mad world. 4.a) reload 'midnight commander' which got somehow rubbished off during the 11.1 episode. 4.b) in a more than hesitant manner replace 'acpi=off' by acpi=force 4.c) in the now famous Chinese manner taking a big jump backwards, rather than forward, that is: getting nowhere. 5. Get up every morning. Go thru my Linux worshiper's routine: race around the house in circles, stop, bend down to the earth and shout: L-I-N-U-X !!! Come to help !!! 6. Sometimes look up the Lizards' mailing list just to see if someday someone unlike you Mart comes up with the correct answer.
Tks Mart. You gave it a good try. Didn't help, but it's a good try anyhow. Wingeing can be a good feel sometimes. JPA
Keep in mind that you have to reboot for the change to take effect, not merely shutdown. Making the change does not change the running kernel.
Hi Jean-Pierre, Ken is right here. I'm quite sure that it will work after a reboot. A short explaination: ACPI is an abbreviation of "Advanced Configuration and Power Interface". In contrast to the old standard APM, the OS has full control over the computers powermanagment. ACPI is initialized quite early in the boot process, you can see quite a few messages from it's initialization in /var/log/boot.msg. If ACPI is set to "off", it is no miracle that the computer does not switch off. The ACPI option has to be set in the menu.lst (permanently), since it is a kernel parameter, not a module option. Nevertheless, I strongly suggest to use the 11.1, because there have been many improvements over the 10.3. If there are problems, just post them on the list, I'm quite sure these thinks get sorted out. Since the list members will ask quite often for configuration data, may I recommend this tool? http://www.novell.com/communities/node/2332/supportconfig-linux Just unpack the resulting tarball and choose the relevant textfiles for your problem. (in our case that would be boot.txt, hardware.txt and messages.txt) Best regards, Martin -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Sat, 2009-07-25 at 10:32 +0200, Martin Jedamzik wrote:
Am Freitag 24 Juli 2009 23:39:51 schrieb Ken Schneider - openSUSE:
Jean-Pierre Abgottspon pecked at the keyboard and wrote:
On Thursday 23 July 2009 10:02:10 am Martin Jedamzik wrote:
Am Donnerstag, 23. Juli 2009 01:01:21 schrieb Jean-Pierre Abgottspon:
Hello Martin 1. Did manage to check into the boot/grub/menu.lst
Just to test a boot param you do no need to edit menu.lst. You can modify the boot parameter string at boot time and if the option does work, you just reboot and you are back to the default. This is much easier than constantly tweaking the file.
2. Did find the acpi option already set to acpi=off 3. My vmlinuz version reads: ...vmlinuz 2.6.22.5-31-default...
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* Martin Jedamzik
Nevertheless, I strongly suggest to use the 11.1, because there have been many improvements over the 10.3. If there are problems, just post them on the list, I'm quite sure these thinks get sorted out. Since the list members will ask quite often for configuration data, may I recommend this tool?
http://www.novell.com/communities/node/2332/supportconfig-linux
Just unpack the resulting tarball and choose the relevant textfiles for your problem. (in our case that would be boot.txt, hardware.txt and messages.txt)
or, just do: zypper in supportutils :^) -- Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA HOG # US1244711 http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://counter.li.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Sunday 26 July 2009 02:18:46 am Patrick Shanahan wrote:
* Martin Jedamzik
[07-25-09 04:35]: a *small* portion of quoted mat'l removed...
Nevertheless, I strongly suggest to use the 11.1, because there have been many improvements over the 10.3. If there are problems, just post them on the list, I'm quite sure these thinks get sorted out. Since the list members will ask quite often for configuration data, may I recommend this tool?
http://www.novell.com/communities/node/2332/supportconfig-linux
Just unpack the resulting tarball and choose the relevant textfiles for your problem. (in our case that would be boot.txt, hardware.txt and messages.txt)
or, just do: zypper in supportutils
:^)
Thanks for helping Patrick. But I have to tell you that I got wiped off the board when installing openSuse 11.1. So simple. Nothing worked ! I am not going to touch any of Opensuse's next releases before I hear of a new one doing it's bit. TKS. JPA
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* Jean-Pierre Abgottspon
Thanks for helping Patrick. But I have to tell you that I got wiped off the board when installing openSuse 11.1. So simple. Nothing worked ! I am not going to touch any of Opensuse's next releases before I hear of a new one doing it's bit. TKS. JPA
I guess that can happen. I'm presently running 11.2 M4 for my desktop and web server w/o a major problem or loss of function. -- Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA HOG # US1244711 http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://counter.li.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Saturday 25 July 2009 10:32:08 am Martin Jedamzik wrote:
Am Freitag 24 Juli 2009 23:39:51 schrieb Ken Schneider - openSUSE:
Jean-Pierre Abgottspon pecked at the keyboard and wrote:
On Thursday 23 July 2009 10:02:10 am Martin Jedamzik wrote:
Am Donnerstag, 23. Juli 2009 01:01:21 schrieb Jean-Pierre Abgottspon:
Hello Martin,
1. Did manage to check into the boot/grub/menu.lst 2. Did find the acpi option already set to acpi=off 3. My vmlinuz version reads: ...vmlinuz 2.6.22.5-31-default...
Well... tks for help. It does not help, or did you mean that I enter acpi=force instead of acpi=off ? Bye JPA
etc. etc. (just cutting out earlier messages).
ACPI is an abbreviation of "Advanced Configuration and Power Interface". In
contrast to the old standard APM, the OS has full control over the computers powermanagment. ACPI is initialized quite early in the boot process, you can see quite a few messages from it's initialization in /var/log/boot.msg. If ACPI is set to "off", it is no miracle that the computer does not switch off. The ACPI option has to be set in the menu.lst (permanently), since it is a kernel parameter, not a module option. Nevertheless, I strongly suggest to use the 11.1, because there have been many improvements over the 10.3. If there are problems, just post them on the list, I'm quite sure these thinks get sorted out. Since the list members will ask quite often for configuration data, may I recommend this tool?
http://www.novell.com/communities/node/2332/supportconfig-linux
Just unpack the resulting tarball and choose the relevant textfiles for your problem. (in our case that would be boot.txt, hardware.txt and messages.txt)
Best regards,
Martin
Dear Martin, Dear Ken, 1. I checked up again on your earlier suggestion to modify ACPI to: Acpi = force. It shows as 'forced', (Is a trivial error possible, with ACPI in Capitals rather than minors ?). My PC has been rebooted a few times since you told me to modify the menu list. I still have to switch it off manually. 2. Thanks for the suggestion about the 'support config tool'. I am too much of a newbie to master any rpm or tar downloads. The only thing I can master is with Yast's assist. i.e. the other day I went thru Yast's software management, I typed 'mc', it offered me to load Midnight Commander and checked on the dependencies for me. I downloaded it and... it got to work. fine !!! 3. I consulted the var/log/boot.msg. Now this for me comes out as if it were the 'Book of Dreams'. Thousand of lines. Most interesting. Of what I understand my ACPI is forced all right. But I may have trouble with the 'IOMMU option in the BIOS'. This may lie with the SATA + PATTA controllers. (Trouble with my PC's CPU power equal or higher than 4G). Thus I added a few more questions to the string of the ones I have in store. 4. Switching from 10.3 to 11.1. Forget it I tried it and had to back down. It's riddled with bugs or options with are set up by default and all amount to a terrible mess. As a newbie I have managed for years to get going easily enough with regular openSuse updates and always set up my system, comm line, printer etc. single handed. Now why do I buck ? You see with the 11.1 mess I decided to now understand what's Linux all about. I bought myself a combo course with cbt nuggets. It shipped: 1. Linux can't read the DVD's 2. Cbt nuggets sent me the file in bits which I stored on my Desktop 3. Cbt nuggets told me to load VLC soft to read this video file. 4. With Yast I downloaded the VLC soft. 5. I can visualize the course but don't get any sound. No matter how much I toggle the settings. Now See Mart ! Does Linux do anything more than allow one to read/send mail and browse the I'net with Firefox ? I am sure it can, ...if it can allow to turn off my PC, without me having to pull the plug. Tks for your valuable help, say hello for me to Ken. JPA -- LINUX SOIGNE VOS BITS !!! BUERSTET IHRE BITS SAUBER MIT LINUX !!! GIVE YOUR BITS A GOOD SHINE WITH LINUX !!! -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Sunday 26 July 2009 04:35:20 pm Jean-Pierre Abgottspon wrote:
5. I can visualize the course but don't get any sound. No matter how much I toggle the settings.
Try using alsamixer to enable sound. -- Regards, Rajko http://news.opensuse.org/category/people-of-opensuse/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Sunday, 2009-07-26 at 23:35 +0200, Jean-Pierre Abgottspon wrote:
4. Switching from 10.3 to 11.1. Forget it I tried it and had to back down. It's riddled with bugs or options with are set up by default and all amount to a terrible mess. As a newbie I have managed for years to get going easily enough with regular openSuse updates and always set up my system, comm line, printer etc. single handed.
The thing is, if there is a bug that impedes your machine from shutting down, it will never be solved for 10.3. Your reports will be ignored... that's life. If there is a configuration trick that solves our problem, and somebody knows, then you will be fine. But bugs... most likely, no. Not for an old version. Then, that bug/problem might have been solved already on a later version. There is also 11.0, if you don't like 11.1. Or you may try "factory", and if it doesn't work, report your problems so that the comming 11.2 version is corrected in time.
Now why do I buck ? You see with the 11.1 mess I decided to now understand what's Linux all about. I bought myself a combo course with cbt nuggets. It shipped: 1. Linux can't read the DVD's
What error?
2. Cbt nuggets sent me the file in bits which I stored on my Desktop 3. Cbt nuggets told me to load VLC soft to read this video file.
You can use mplayer or xine to watch videos - but use the version from packman.
4. With Yast I downloaded the VLC soft. 5. I can visualize the course but don't get any sound. No matter how much I toggle the settings.
I assume sound works on another program? - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkps+ewACgkQtTMYHG2NR9WXJQCgkBC1+ZHy+hap0wrni3yQFlOD xhgAn3A1Kll+0vcT/iqJL59u4JJhqPj9 =mdT8 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
4. Switching from 10.3 to 11.1. Forget it I tried it and had to back down. It's riddled with bugs or options with are set up by default and all amount to a terrible mess. As a newbie I have managed for years to get going easily enough with regular openSuse updates and always set up my system, comm line, printer etc. single handed. The thing is, if there is a bug that impedes your machine from shutting down, it will never be solved for 10.3. Your reports will be ignored... that's life.
Also, if you are using a 'new' PC it is just likely that your hardware is newer than your OS, so some things not working is just to be expected.
Then, that bug/problem might have been solved already on a later version. There is also 11.0, if you don't like 11.1. Or you may try "factory", and if it doesn't work, report your problems so that the comming 11.2 version is corrected in time.
Now why do I buck ? You see with the 11.1 mess I decided to now understand
Because it doesn't install/run will on your particular hardware does not equate to it being a "mess". It just means it [maybe] doesn't run well on your particular hardware. I've done a lot of 11.1 installs and encountered only one box were it bombed.
what's Linux all about. I bought myself a combo course with cbt nuggets. It shipped: 1. Linux can't read the DVD's What error?
Playing DVDs works fine for me. To play 'video' DVDs you need to install the proprietary codecs http://software.opensuse.org/codecs. But that is true of any version of any distribution - it is just part of life on LINUX. One-click install on openSUSE makes it a pretty trivial issue.
2. Cbt nuggets sent me the file in bits which I stored on my Desktop 3. Cbt nuggets told me to load VLC soft to read this video file. You can use mplayer or xine to watch videos - but use the version from packman.
Or totem, which I think is the default on GNOME. But I have no idea what "Cbt nuggets" are. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Sunday, 2009-07-26 at 21:52 -0400, Adam Tauno Williams wrote: ...
Or totem, which I think is the default on GNOME. But I have no idea what "Cbt nuggets" are.
I think a video or linux course of some sort: ]> Now why do I buck ? You see with the 11.1 mess I decided to now ]> understand what's Linux all about. I bought myself a combo course with ]> cbt nuggets. It shipped: - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkpuRXoACgkQtTMYHG2NR9WXqgCeLdfJpH6N+AE+sStSmHZsLsW4 QrMAoIT4roTO+KcZiQXJXoL6/dvqB7K5 =qHAh -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Hi Carlos, Thanks for all your suggestions. Being a newbie it may take me days to try your tips out. CU. JPA On Monday 27 July 2009 02:50:45 am Carlos E. R. wrote:
On Sunday, 2009-07-26 at 23:35 +0200, Jean-Pierre Abgottspon wrote:
4. Switching from 10.3 to 11.1. Forget it I tried it and had to back down. It's riddled with bugs or options with are set up by default and all amount to a terrible mess. As a newbie I have managed for years to get going easily enough with regular openSuse updates and always set up my system, comm line, printer etc. single handed.
The thing is, if there is a bug that impedes your machine from shutting down, it will never be solved for 10.3. Your reports will be ignored... that's life.
If there is a configuration trick that solves our problem, and somebody knows, then you will be fine. But bugs... most likely, no. Not for an old version.
Then, that bug/problem might have been solved already on a later version. There is also 11.0, if you don't like 11.1. Or you may try "factory", and if it doesn't work, report your problems so that the comming 11.2 version is corrected in time.
Now why do I buck ? You see with the 11.1 mess I decided to now understand what's Linux all about. I bought myself a combo course with cbt nuggets. It shipped: 1. Linux can't read the DVD's
What error?
2. Cbt nuggets sent me the file in bits which I stored on my Desktop 3. Cbt nuggets told me to load VLC soft to read this video file.
You can use mplayer or xine to watch videos - but use the version from packman.
4. With Yast I downloaded the VLC soft. 5. I can visualize the course but don't get any sound. No matter how much I toggle the settings.
I assume sound works on another program?
-- Cheers, Carlos E. R.
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On Friday 24 July 2009 11:39:51 pm Ken Schneider - openSUSE wrote:
Jean-Pierre Abgottspon pecked at the keyboard and wrote:
On Thursday 23 July 2009 10:02:10 am Martin Jedamzik wrote:
Am Donnerstag, 23. Juli 2009 01:01:21 schrieb Jean-Pierre Abgottspon:
Hello Martin,
1. Did manage to check into the boot/grub/menu.lst 2. Did find the acpi option already set to acpi=off 3. My vmlinuz version reads: ...vmlinuz 2.6.22.5-31-default...
Well... tks for help. It does not help, or did you mean that I enter acpi=force instead of acpi=off ? Bye JPA
On Wednesday 22 July 2009 10:32:25 pm Martin Jedamzik wrote: Hi Jean-Pierre,
did you try the acpi=force option in the grub menu? Just apend to the boot options.
/boot/grub/menu.lst :
kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.27.23-0.1-default root=/dev/disk/by-id ..... acpi=off
Please tell me if that helps.
Cheers, Martin
Am Mittwoch, 22. Juli 2009 18:50:47 schrieb Jean-Pierre Abgottspon:
Hello,
1. Newbie, don't knock !!! 2. When selecting : 'Turn off computer', all the services seem to go down in due order until 'turn off sound card' included. 3. Then nothing... My PC does not get powered off. (I have to pull the plug to put it to sleep). 4. I got a HP PC SET A6543/W2216, 4GB CPU, 500 GB HD 5. Running on openSuse/Novell 10.3. (Higher versions cannot be mastered by newbies). 6. Is there a trick to get my PC powered off in a say 'regular' mode ?
tks for help. JPA
Hello Jean -Pierre,
aaarrrggghhh :-(
You're right, it should have been acpi=force.
Sorry for my mistake.
Besides, if you want to know more about these options, please read /usr/src/linux/Documentation/kernel-parameters.txt
Cheer, Martin
Dear Martin,
1. Fine ! I changed it to 'acpi = force' 2. Went thru the log off procedure. 3. Same procedure... aaaaaargh ! I still had to switch off my PC manually. Thus it does not do what I want. Grrrrr !
My own comments: first degree
A. It seemed to me that the 'menu.list' much resembled like a comment description rather than a file where you modify settings ???
My own comments: second degree
A. I had happily lived with a 'Compac Pro' PC running on OpenSuse for a few years and came to realise that I was lacking bit power to keep going with pictures, movies downloads, uploads and the like.
B. Thus I got myself a new HP PC with 4 G in CPU and 500 G HD in Feb 2009. At the same time I decided to get going and start using my PC for something more than just reading Kmail and browsing with Firefox. Well that's when it started. The first thing I discovered was that apart from a more than remarkable stability (one does not have to go thru 'Alt-Ctrl-Del' every half hour) LINUX was not as magic as it seemed.
C. I had joined Suse by sheer luck and the deep conviction that an OS with a delicately elegant organizational tree: Root, Bin, User, Tmp, etc. would keep myself in a sane psycho condition for the rest of my life.
D. Not so. Together with my new PC, I bought OpenSuse/Novell 11.1. What a nightmare ! Nothing worked ! I could not even set up my communication line which is the ULTRA simple one: Home-user, internal comm-card, modem, plug to the phone line, provider. Simple. I never managed to come to the point where one declares his activation code. Nothing worked ! Fantasmagoric ! There wasn't even a roster to select one's printer from !
E. Straightforward tactics, I reverted to the Suse version 10.3. At the same time I told myself that from now on, in this Suse world, I solve one trouble after the other. Example: 'Turn off computer'. Never had any trouble with it on my earlier Compac. Why tolerate it with my new PC ? See what I went thru:
1. Joined the 'Lizards'. 2. Martin gives me 2 replies on 'turn off computer'. 3. Does not work. 4. Take the basic option: stay with Linux. There is a ray of reason which shines out from Scandinavia ! Linux is still the only option in a virtual mad world. 4.a) reload 'midnight commander' which got somehow rubbished off during the 11.1 episode. 4.b) in a more than hesitant manner replace 'acpi=off' by acpi=force 4.c) in the now famous Chinese manner taking a big jump backwards, rather than forward, that is: getting nowhere. 5. Get up every morning. Go thru my Linux worshiper's routine: race around the house in circles, stop, bend down to the earth and shout: L-I-N-U-X !!! Come to help !!! 6. Sometimes look up the Lizards' mailing list just to see if someday someone unlike you Mart comes up with the correct answer.
Tks Mart. You gave it a good try. Didn't help, but it's a good try anyhow. Wingeing can be a good feel sometimes. JPA
Keep in mind that you have to reboot for the change to take effect, not merely shutdown. Making the change does not change the running kernel.
-- Ken Schneider SuSe since Version 5.2, June 1998
Hello Ken, Yes, I did suspect this and went thru a shut down and reboot right after the modification. Tks Ken. It did not work. But I do appreciate your help. JPA -- LINUX SOIGNE VOS BITS !!! BUERSTET IHRE BITS SAUBER MIT LINUX !!! GIVE YOUR BITS A GOOD SHINE WITH LINUX !!! -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday, 2009-07-22 at 18:50 +0200, Jean-Pierre Abgottspon wrote:
1. Newbie, don't knock !!! 2. When selecting : 'Turn off computer', all the services seem to go down in due order until 'turn off sound card' included. 3. Then nothing... My PC does not get powered off. (I have to pull the plug to put it to sleep). 4. I got a HP PC SET A6543/W2216, 4GB CPU, 500 GB HD 5. Running on openSuse/Novell 10.3. (Higher versions cannot be mastered by newbies).
Why not?
6. Is there a trick to get my PC powered off in a say 'regular' mode ?
It could be that it is a bug which was corrected on a later suse version... I hope that you have at least the system fully patched. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkpo+s8ACgkQtTMYHG2NR9VerwCcC4ZBlcu7WqShS3f46yab9k4a EA0AnAn+YqmGre6gZ+Ka14eT5PRaCFYU =0IvK -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
1. Newbie, don't knock !!! 2. When selecting : 'Turn off computer', all the services seem to go down in due order until 'turn off sound card' included. 3. Then nothing... My PC does not get powered off. (I have to pull the plug to put it to sleep). 4. I got a HP PC SET A6543/W2216, 4GB CPU, 500 GB HD 5. Running on openSuse/Novell 10.3. (Higher versions cannot be mastered by newbies). Why not?
Ditto: Why not? I use openSUSE 11.1 all day, every day, on a Toshiba laptop. Works great, certainly a big improvement over 10.3. 11.0 was shaky at first but 11.1 has been solid.
6. Is there a trick to get my PC powered off in a say 'regular' mode ? It could be that it is a bug which was corrected on a later suse version... I hope that you have at least the system fully patched.
ACPI support has come a long long way since 10.3 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
participants (7)
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Adam Tauno Williams
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Carlos E. R.
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Jean-Pierre Abgottspon
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Ken Schneider - openSUSE
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Martin Jedamzik
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Patrick Shanahan
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Rajko M.