Attempting to keep my kde 4.2.4 up to date, in hopes of getting a fix to two problems caused by upgrades from 10.3/kde3.5 (see preceding unanswered messages), I've been getting this error message for the past three days: PackageKit Error dep-resolution-failed: patch:compiz-1005.noarch conflicts with compiz-kde4.i586 The automatic updater says it can't do anything; I have to use yast to fix it. When I try to resolve the problem with yast I'm faced with the option of downgrading dozens or hundreds of packages to 4.1.3, or not installing compiz-1005.noarch. If I don't downgrade and install this, within a few minutes I get the yellow triangle again, asking to upgrade to compiz-1005.noarch. And, of course, while these things are going on, I get these mysterious black boxes with barely readable dark gray title boxes that say "kdeupdater", etc. Help? John Perry -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Tuesday 21 July 2009 05:01:20 pm John E. Perry wrote:
Attempting to keep my kde 4.2.4 up to date, in hopes of getting a fix to two problems caused by upgrades from 10.3/kde3.5 (see preceding unanswered messages), I've been getting this error message for the past three days:
PackageKit Error dep-resolution-failed: patch:compiz-1005.noarch conflicts with compiz-kde4.i586
The automatic updater says it can't do anything; I have to use yast to fix it.
When I try to resolve the problem with yast I'm faced with the option of downgrading dozens or hundreds of packages to 4.1.3, or not installing compiz-1005.noarch. If I don't downgrade and install this, within a few minutes I get the yellow triangle again, asking to upgrade to compiz-1005.noarch.
And, of course, while these things are going on, I get these mysterious black boxes with barely readable dark gray title boxes that say "kdeupdater", etc.
Help?
Unfortunately I can't help. I tried to upgrade from 10.3 to 11.1. Never managed to get 11.1 going proper. Totally lost my connection to Internet, could not select my printer out of a list of suppliers & much more... Being a newbie I had to back down to 10.3 again. Pissed off but happy with 10.3 rather than Windows. JP
John Perry
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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 John E. Perry wrote:
Attempting to keep my kde 4.2.4 up to date, in hopes of getting a fix to two problems caused by upgrades from 10.3/kde3.5 (see preceding unanswered messages), I've been getting this error message for the past three days:
PackageKit Error dep-resolution-failed: patch:compiz-1005.noarch conflicts with compiz-kde4.i586
The automatic updater says it can't do anything; I have to use yast to fix it.
When I try to resolve the problem with yast I'm faced with the option of downgrading dozens or hundreds of packages to 4.1.3, or not installing compiz-1005.noarch. If I don't downgrade and install this, within a few minutes I get the yellow triangle again, asking to upgrade to compiz-1005.noarch.
And, of course, while these things are going on, I get these mysterious black boxes with barely readable dark gray title boxes that say "kdeupdater", etc.
Help?
John Perry
Hi, You should remove any compiz-related package first. Than reinstall compiz-kde4 with its dependencies, if you need, but kwin can do almost anything, what compiz can. HTH. Tamas -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkpmMBEACgkQsuVyj8v2Zy4UQACeLu59gcpusrUYVv3hBO0mWZIv uSkAn2/fQRpiUueeokErOUSKLQfKIZ3l =gJ2+ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Tuesday 21 July 2009 22:16:03 Tamas Sarga wrote:
Hi, You should remove any compiz-related package first. Than reinstall compiz-kde4 with its dependencies, if you need, but kwin can do almost anything, what compiz can.
HTH. Tamas
I have the same problem, and would be happy to revert to kwin in KDE4. Do I just need to remove package compiz-kde4, or everything with compiz in the name? Or would this break compiz in my KDE3 installation? ATM, I have the following installed compiz 0.7.8-9.2.1 compiz-branding-openSUSE 0.7.8-9.2.1 compiz-kde 0.7.8-9.2.1 compiz-kde4 0.7.8-8.18 (0.7.8-9.2.1) compiz-fusion-plugins-main 0.7.8-4.13 compiz-manager 0.0.1_git080201-52.1 libcompizconfig 0.7.8-1.44 simple-ccsm-kde 1.0-9.4 Many thanks Bob -- Registered Linux User #463880 FSFE Member #1300 GPG-FP: A6C1 457C 6DBA B13E 5524 F703 D12A FB79 926B 994E openSUSE 11.1, Kernel 2.6.27.21-0.1-default, KDE 4.2.4 Intel Core2 Quad Q9400 2.66GHz, 4GB DDR RAM, nVidia GeForce 9200GS -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Bob Williams wrote:
On Tuesday 21 July 2009 22:16:03 Tamas Sarga wrote:
Hi, You should remove any compiz-related package first. Than reinstall compiz-kde4 with its dependencies, if you need, but kwin can do almost anything, what compiz can. ... I have the same problem, and would be happy to revert to kwin in KDE4. Do I just need to remove package compiz-kde4, or everything with compiz in the name? Or would this break compiz in my KDE3 installation?
ATM, I have the following installed ...
Hey, it seems to have worked well! I opened yast, searched for compiz, and got dozens of packages, a few of which were installed. All those installed I simply clicked until I got a delete symbol, then accepted the changes. My kdeupdater is green again, and I see no difference at all in my user interface. Switching from app to app causes the new app to slide into view from the appropriate direction as before (neat!) and so far I've seen no faults in my operation. I suppose compiz must do something, but I haven't seen anything different yet. Someday maybe I'll search the web or the documentation for a description, but for now I don't see the point. The bogus update is not hiding my true software status any more, and I'm not suffering any degradation from the removal of compiz. Maybe someday I'll try the rest of Tamas's advice. Thanks, Tamas! ...now, if I could just get wifi back... jp -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Bob Williams wrote:
On Tuesday 21 July 2009 22:16:03 Tamas Sarga wrote:
Hi, You should remove any compiz-related package first. Than reinstall compiz-kde4 with its dependencies, if you need, but kwin can do almost anything, what compiz can.
HTH. Tamas
I have the same problem, and would be happy to revert to kwin in KDE4. Do I just need to remove package compiz-kde4, or everything with compiz in the name? Or would this break compiz in my KDE3 installation?
ATM, I have the following installed
compiz 0.7.8-9.2.1 compiz-branding-openSUSE 0.7.8-9.2.1 compiz-kde 0.7.8-9.2.1 compiz-kde4 0.7.8-8.18 (0.7.8-9.2.1) compiz-fusion-plugins-main 0.7.8-4.13 compiz-manager 0.0.1_git080201-52.1 libcompizconfig 0.7.8-1.44 simple-ccsm-kde 1.0-9.4
Many thanks
Bob
Hi, If you want to use Compiz under KDE3, then you need your installed compiz-related packages except compiz-kde4. If you uninstall all of these packages, you could install compiz-kde and it will solve its dependencies. If it tries to install compiz-kde4, just not to allow it. HTH. Tamas -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkpoHY0ACgkQsuVyj8v2Zy7uRwCeIa/8LjTPjdHuZY91j8Wt/qNG mqUAn3EIdzejhZr8F7PEQ9CLaZE0Lk/f =WS9C -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Thursday 23 July 2009 09:21:39 Tamas Sarga wrote:
Bob Williams wrote:
On Tuesday 21 July 2009 22:16:03 Tamas Sarga wrote:
Hi, You should remove any compiz-related package first. Than reinstall compiz-kde4 with its dependencies, if you need, but kwin can do almost anything, what compiz can.
HTH. Tamas
I have the same problem, and would be happy to revert to kwin in KDE4. Do I just need to remove package compiz-kde4, or everything with compiz in the name? Or would this break compiz in my KDE3 installation?
ATM, I have the following installed
compiz 0.7.8-9.2.1 compiz-branding-openSUSE 0.7.8-9.2.1 compiz-kde 0.7.8-9.2.1 compiz-kde4 0.7.8-8.18 (0.7.8-9.2.1) compiz-fusion-plugins-main 0.7.8-4.13 compiz-manager 0.0.1_git080201-52.1 libcompizconfig 0.7.8-1.44 simple-ccsm-kde 1.0-9.4
Many thanks
Bob
Hi, If you want to use Compiz under KDE3, then you need your installed compiz-related packages except compiz-kde4. If you uninstall all of these packages, you could install compiz-kde and it will solve its dependencies. If it tries to install compiz-kde4, just not to allow it.
HTH. Tamas
Many thanks. I've de-installed compiz-kde4 for the time being, and all is well :) Bob -- Registered Linux User #463880 FSFE Member #1300 GPG-FP: A6C1 457C 6DBA B13E 5524 F703 D12A FB79 926B 994E openSUSE 11.1, Kernel 2.6.27.21-0.1-default, KDE 4.2.4 Intel Core2 Quad Q9400 2.66GHz, 4GB DDR RAM, nVidia GeForce 9200GS -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Tuesday 21 July 2009 10:01:20 am John E. Perry wrote:
Attempting to keep my kde 4.2.4 up to date, in hopes of getting a fix to two problems caused by upgrades from 10.3/kde3.5 (see preceding unanswered messages), I've been getting this error message for the past three days:
PackageKit Error dep-resolution-failed: patch:compiz-1005.noarch conflicts with compiz-kde4.i586
So far, I have been happy with my decision to "Install" kde 4.3 beta from factory and "Keep" my kde 3.5 install. However, having both kde3 and kde4 installed is mandatory. There are so many things you simply cannot do in kde4 that you have to log back in to kde3 to complete. [footnote 1] After 3 months of testing virtually everything I can think of, all I can say is kde4 is usable, but there is so much stuff broken or missing in this desktop it will blow your mind. Simple little things that are just annoying as heck, like "if you want to set a different default WM in kde control center (like compiz), you want a screenshot of your desktop say with the compiz expo plugin -- you can't, you want to insert kate snippets that have escape codes in it, now they hose the editor window because the escape codes are applied to the editor window instead of simply inserted at text, you want to browse and 'preview in' and be returned to the same file, you want to use an app that relies on fish, you want to edit the "Classic Menu" and not go into a loop, and on and on and on ...." (all things that should not have been broken to begin with) If you want to work without distraction -- stay with kde3. If you want to see the new glitz and glamor, but spend equal time working and writing bug reports, jump to kde4. If you want to "try" the latest, just "install" it along side your kde3 install, but I would recommend against wiping out your kde3 install by "upgrading" to kde4. [footnote 1] See most recent 47 bugs filed against kde4: https://bugs.kde.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&short_desc_type=allwordssubstr&short_desc=&long_desc_type=allwordssubstr&long_desc=&bug_file_loc_type=allwordssubstr&bug_file_loc=&keywords_type=allwords&keywords=&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&bug_status=RESOLVED&bug_status=NEEDSINFO&bug_status=VERIFIED&bug_status=CLOSED&emailassigned_to1=1&emailreporter1=1&emailcc1=1&emaillongdesc1=1&emailtype1=exact&email1=drankinatty@suddenlinkmail.com&emailassigned_to2=1&emailreporter2=1&emailcc2=1&emaillongdesc2=1&emailtype2=exact&email2=drankinatty@suddenlinkmail.com&bugidtype=include&bug_id=&votes=&chfieldfrom=&chfieldto=Now&chfieldvalue=&cmdtype=doit&order=Reuse+same+sort+as+last+time&field0-0-0=bug_status&type0-0-0=notequals&value0-0-0=UNCONFIRMED&field0-0-1=reporter&type0-0-1=equals&value0-0-1=drankinatty@suddenlinkmail.com -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. Rankin Law Firm, PLLC 510 Ochiltree Street Nacogdoches, Texas 75961 Telephone: (936) 715-9333 Facsimile: (936) 715-9339 www.rankinlawfirm.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Tuesday 21 July 2009 11:02:03 pm David C. Rankin wrote:
So far, I have been happy with my decision to "Install" kde 4.3 beta from factory and "Keep" my kde 3.5 install. However, having both kde3 and kde4 installed is mandatory.
There are so many things you simply cannot do in kde4 that you have to log back in to kde3 to complete. [footnote 1] After 3 months of testing virtually everything I can think of, all I can say is kde4 is usable, but there is so much stuff broken or missing in this desktop it will blow your mind. Simple little things that are just annoying as heck, like "if you want to set a different default WM in kde control center (like compiz),
You mean what you can do in System Settings > Default Applications > Window Manager? Maybe you haven't tested kde4 that thoroughly these past three months...
you want a screenshot of your desktop say with the compiz expo plugin -- you can't, Hmm what d'you know, ksnapshot works fine. Compiz isn't part of kde4 - I use kwin, or I'd switch to compiz to test this out as well.
you want to insert kate snippets that have escape codes in it, now they hose the editor window because the escape codes are applied to the editor window instead of simply inserted at text, I use kwrite, but I installed kate just to test this. Worked perfectly fine.
you want to browse and 'preview in' and be returned to the same file, Just fired up konqueror, previewed and returned to the same folder with no problems.
you want to use an app that relies on fish, I don't use fish, so can't really test.
you want to edit the "Classic Menu" and not go into a loop, Yeah... this hasn't been broken for a very long time and I've had pretty much everything that came into the kde4 factory repo installed at one point or another
and on and on and on ...." (all things that should not have been broken to begin with)
If you want to work without distraction -- stay with kde3. If you want to see the new glitz and glamor, but spend equal time working and writing bug reports, jump to kde4. If you want to "try" the latest, just "install" it along side your kde3 install, but I would recommend against wiping out your kde3 install by "upgrading" to kde4.
Sounds like your problem is with your setup, not with the desktop environment. Nkoli -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Wednesday 22 July 2009 09:10:58 am Nkoli wrote:
You mean what you can do in System Settings > Default Applications > Window Manager? Maybe you haven't tested kde4 that thoroughly these past three months...
No I mean just change kwin to compiz in the drop box on 11.0 with kde4 factory desktop. The change cannot be saved on 11.0 and kde4 factory -- period. Did you read the bug? See: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=198125
you want a screenshot of your desktop say with the compiz expo plugin -- you can't, Hmm what d'you know, ksnapshot works fine. Compiz isn't part of kde4 - I use kwin, or I'd switch to compiz to test this out as well.
Try it with the compiz "Expo" plugin with the top-left screen corner as the activation for the plugin. What was simple basic functionality in kde3 ksnapshot, cannot be done in kde4 ksnapshot. See: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=198112 For most other purposes kde4 ksnapshot works just fine. No matter what weasel words you want to put on in, you cannot take the snapshot with kde4 ksnapshot that you could easily take with kde3 ksnapshot. That is the bug.
you want to insert kate snippets that have escape codes in it, now they hose the editor window because the escape codes are applied to the editor window instead of simply inserted at text, I use kwrite, but I installed kate just to test this. Worked perfectly fine.
Did you try it with color \033 escape codes in your snipped? The actual snippet containing the simple bash escape codes that don't work in kde4 kate is provided in the .kde4/share/config/katesnippetspluginrc as an attachment to: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=200935 The attachment is: https://bugs.kde.org/attachment.cgi?id=35497 Install the attached katesnippetspluginrc and try and insert the 'colors' snippet. Works in kde3, broken in kde4. It needs to be fixed or all bash programmers can just kiss-off that functionality in kde4. I don't mean to belittle your response, but I am so sick and tired of hearing "WORKS FOR ME" when the developers haven't even taken the time to read the bug report and test the scenario. I don't mean you Nkoli, but the type of response you gave is the exact type of response a majority of the kde4 developers give to justify leaving the problem broken and unfixed. kde4 will never measure up if that attitude doesn't change.
Sounds like your problem is with your setup, not with the desktop environment.
Setup is fine, take another look at the bug actual reports and you can confirm for yourself each of the bits of broken functionality instead of testing an unrelated example and dismissing with "WORKS FOR ME" as seems to be the overriding mindset of many of the kde4 devs. People dedicated their time to provide test cases so that bugs can be fixed and kde4 can be made better for all. -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. Rankin Law Firm, PLLC 510 Ochiltree Street Nacogdoches, Texas 75961 Telephone: (936) 715-9333 Facsimile: (936) 715-9339 www.rankinlawfirm.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Wednesday 22 July 2009 5:46:07 pm David C. Rankin wrote:
Setup is fine, take another look at the bug actual reports and you can confirm for yourself each of the bits of broken functionality instead of testing an unrelated example and dismissing with "WORKS FOR ME" as seems to be the overriding mindset of many of the kde4 devs. People dedicated their time to provide test cases so that bugs can be fixed and kde4 can be made better for all.
I'll admit I didn't read your bug reports to test your specific scenarios (the link in your original post never loaded for me and I didn't have the time to go hunting down the individual bugs). Now that I have, I can still say everything works for me except for the escape code snippet insertion in kate. Got the same result you did, but I noticed that adding \ before ${color_name} inserts the snippet correctly. See http://img269.imageshack.us/content.php?page=done&l=img269/3472/katek.jpg Dunno if that was an intentional change on the developers' parts. Probably a PITA if you have a ton of snippets like that, but for a few, find and replace should do the trick. That said, it's nearly impossible to fix problems when you can't reproduce them. I work in tech support (thank $deity for remote login tools) and I know configurations and usage patterns become even more complicated with tech savvy users. I'd hope the devs at least test the scenarios before dismissing bug filings, especially detailed ones, but I can't say I blame them if they don't jump to fix bugs that appear to affect only one system/person. There are way more bugs than there are devs, so prioritization is a must. It would be ideal if everyone filed bugs as they're encountered, but that's neither here nor there. Oh yeah, screen for compiz expo taken with kde4 ksnapshot: http://img140.imageshack.us/content.php?page=done&l=img140/1142/85783724.png I'm using opensuse 11.1, not 11.0, but kde4 is factory. I used printscreen to take the screenshot. Also, compiz was saved as the window manager under ~/.kde4/share/config/ksmserverrc after I enabled it in the default applications module. Nkoli -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 11:01:20AM -0400, John E. Perry wrote:
Attempting to keep my kde 4.2.4 up to date, in hopes of getting a fix to two problems caused by upgrades from 10.3/kde3.5 (see preceding unanswered messages), I've been getting this error message for the past three days:
PackageKit Error dep-resolution-failed: patch:compiz-1005.noarch conflicts with compiz-kde4.i586
The automatic updater says it can't do anything; I have to use yast to fix it.
When I try to resolve the problem with yast I'm faced with the option of downgrading dozens or hundreds of packages to 4.1.3, or not installing compiz-1005.noarch. If I don't downgrade and install this, within a few minutes I get the yellow triangle again, asking to upgrade to compiz-1005.noarch.
And, of course, while these things are going on, I get these mysterious black boxes with barely readable dark gray title boxes that say "kdeupdater", etc.
Seems to be reported as https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=520889 already. Uninvestatigated still though. Ciao, Marcus -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Marcus Meissner wrote:
On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 11:01:20AM -0400, John E. Perry wrote:
...I've been getting this error message for the past three days: ...
When I try to resolve the problem with yast I'm faced with the option of downgrading dozens or hundreds of packages to 4.1.3, or not installing compiz-1005.noarch. If I don't downgrade and install this, within a few minutes I get the yellow triangle again, asking to upgrade to compiz-1005.noarch. ... Seems to be reported as https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=520889 already.
Uninvestatigated still though.
Thanks, Marcus. However, I followed the first half of Tamas Sarga's advice (removing compiz), and my problem is solved. Someday maybe I'll try to find out what compiz might offer me, but at the moment I see no difference in my system :-), so it doesn't seem worth even the minor trouble of reinstalling it. jp -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Fri, 2009-07-24 at 10:17 -0400, John E. Perry wrote:
Thanks, Marcus. However, I followed the first half of Tamas Sarga's advice (removing compiz), and my problem is solved. Someday maybe I'll try to find out what compiz might offer me, but at the moment I see no difference in my system :-), so it doesn't seem worth even the minor trouble of reinstalling it.
In the past, compiz was the window manager that had all the bells and whistles for the 3D desktop. Things like the cube. kwin was the poor cousin that did not have such support. Or at least not so advanced. In KDE4, kwin also has support for these things. However, compiz and kwin have a different architecture to the extent that they cannot share plugins with these features. So, kwin has one set of plugins, and compiz another, with most providing the same feature. But they are totally incompatible. So, one deciding factor in choosing compiz or kwin is which one has the desktop effect plugins you want. Nothing that is installed for compiz is used by kwin. Only compiz uses compiz and compiz plugins. Same for kwin. My conclusion is that kwin does all that compiz does. So I have dropped installing compiz. As I run KDE, kwin also works better as it is better integrated into KDE. Of course, ymmv. -- Roger Oberholtzer OPQ Systems / Ramböll RST Ramböll Sverige AB Krukmakargatan 21 P.O. Box 17009 SE-104 62 Stockholm, Sweden Office: Int +46 8-615 60 20 Mobile: Int +46 70-815 1696 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Roger Oberholtzer wrote:
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My conclusion is that kwin does all that compiz does. So I have dropped installing compiz. As I run KDE, kwin also works better as it is better integrated into KDE.
Ah. I'd seen a lot of traffic regarding compiz, and thought it had something unique, even if only related to "eye candy" (which, by the way, I have no problem with). So it looks as though I'm in your camp -- not against it, but not particularly anxious to have it, either. jp -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
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