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usr＠sanctum.com

4 Oct 2004 4 Oct '04

22:36

Hello SuSE gurus This was a very long thread originally called Postfix Question. Still continue to have problems. Slightly different now though. Cannot get Procmail to work properly. Background, KDE 3.3 & Kmail 1.7 I have 3 email addresses.one of which is rnr@sanctum.com Originally I could not send out emails unless I downloaded mails first. Carlos E.R. gave me a step by step of how to setup Procmail in Yast. During that process I changed the name of my local address to "EasyStreet" hoping that it would make things a little clearer for me. That worked for sending messages. (somewhat) Now I find that emails cannot be downloaded to that address. The other two are OK. After losing a bunch of messages to that address, I went to a Windoz machine and sent myself some test messages. This is the result: There were two notifications to me for each message that I sent. One being a "Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender" and the other a "No Subject" Following is the content of those messages : ------------------------------------------------------ Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender Date: Sun Oct 3 22:48:39 2004 From: Mail Delivery System To: rnr@sanctum.com This is the Postfix program at host EasyStreet.local. I'm sorry to have to inform you that your message could not be be delivered to one or more recipients. It's attached below. For further assistance, please send mail to <postmaster> If you do so, please include this problem report. You can delete your own text from the attached returned message. The Postfix program (expanded from ): unknown user: "bob" unnamed Delivery report Encapsulated message Test 3 Date: Sun Oct 3 22:34:25 2004 From: "R. Stia" To: "R. Stia" Reply to: rnr@sanctum.com Test 3 encapsulated message End of encapsulated message ------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun Oct 3 22:48:38 2004 From: FETCHMAIL-DAEMON@easystreet.local To: rnr@sanctum.com Some addresses were rejected by the MDA fetchmail forwards to. unnamed Received: from sanctum.com (*authenticated* [64.58.217.221] rnr@sanctum.com) by SANCTUM.COM with ESMTP (IOA-IPAD 4.03k/96) id 5C1LF00 for ; Sun, 03 Oct 2004 22:32:27 -0400 Message-ID: <4160B6B1.1@sanctum.com> Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2004 22:34:25 -0400 From: "R. Stia" Reply-To: rnr@sanctum.com User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011128 Netscape6/6.2.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "R. Stia" Subject: Test 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----------------------------------------- I tried to attach the very long mail.log file from the evening of 10/3 until until the following evening but the list bounced my message. This is driving me crazy !! All I want is to be able to send and receive emails. Please help. Bob S.

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Patrick Shanahan

5 Oct 5 Oct

02:35

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* usr@sanctum.com [10-04-04 21:17]:

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(expanded from ): unknown user: "bob" unnamed

What is your logon name on the computer 'EasyStreet' ? -- Patrick Shanahan Registered Linux User #207535 http://wahoo.no-ip.org @ http://counter.li.org HOG # US1244711 Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/photos

usr＠sanctum.com

07:33

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On Monday 04 October 2004 22:35, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

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* usr@sanctum.com [10-04-04 21:17]:

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(expanded from ): unknown user: "bob" unnamed

What is your logon name on the computer 'EasyStreet' ?

Patrick, Yes, at least I think so, that is what it says at the KDE login and when I bring up a terminal. Appreciate your input as always. Bob S.

Patrick Shanahan

13:46

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* usr@sanctum.com [10-05-04 03:00]:

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On Monday 04 October 2004 22:35, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

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* usr@sanctum.com [10-04-04 21:17]:

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(expanded from ): unknown user: "bob" unnamed

What is your logon name on the computer 'EasyStreet' ?

Patrick, Yes, at least I think so, that is what it says at the KDE login and when I bring up a terminal.

I'm afraid that I do not understand your answer to my question, or you have failed to read/understand my question???? -- Patrick Shanahan Registered Linux User #207535 http://wahoo.no-ip.org @ http://counter.li.org HOG # US1244711 Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/photos

Carlos E. R.

18:06

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The 2004-10-05 at 08:46 -0500, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

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I'm afraid that I do not understand your answer to my question, or you have failed to read/understand my question????

I believe his local user name is 'bob'. -- Cheers, Carlos Robinson

usr＠sanctum.com

6 Oct 6 Oct

03:43

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On Tuesday 05 October 2004 09:46, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

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* usr@sanctum.com [10-05-04 03:00]:

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On Monday 04 October 2004 22:35, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

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What is your logon name on the computer 'EasyStreet' ?

Patrick, Yes, at least I think so, that is what it says at the KDE login and when I bring up a terminal.

I'm afraid that I do not understand your answer to my question, or you have failed to read/understand my question????

Welll... I read it. Guess I did not understand it. (very late) Anyway logon name is bob. Thanks for waking me up. Bob S.

Dana J. Laude

07:11

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On Tuesday 05 October 2004 21:43, usr@sanctum.com wrote:

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On Tuesday 05 October 2004 09:46, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

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* usr@sanctum.com [10-05-04 03:00]:

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On Monday 04 October 2004 22:35, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

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What is your logon name on the computer 'EasyStreet' ?

Patrick, Yes, at least I think so, that is what it says at the KDE login and when I bring up a terminal.

I'm afraid that I do not understand your answer to my question, or you have failed to read/understand my question????

Welll... I read it. Guess I did not understand it. (very late) Anyway logon name is bob.

Sorry for missing most of this thread, but from reading a few of the posts you have a "official - as in registered domain" and want to have postfix toss mail to the actual local non-registered domain? Or are you doing a setup where you get mail from you're ISP and have a domain setup via dyndns or something similar? I can help, just have to figure out what you're doing / want. :) Dana

Bob S

7 Oct 7 Oct

02:27

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On Wednesday 06 October 2004 03:11, Dana J. Laude wrote:

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Sorry for missing most of this thread, but from reading a few of the posts you have a "official - as in registered domain" and want to have postfix toss mail to the actual local non-registered domain? Or are you doing a setup where you get mail from you're ISP and have a domain setup via dyndns or something similar? I can help, just have to figure out what you're doing / want. :)

Dana, Ummmm...Don't follow your statement. "official" ???..... No. Just trying to fix a broken mail system where I get and send mail through my ISP. Trouble started with upgrade from Kmail 1.6 to 1.7 Having trouble both sending and receiving mails to the default user, rnr@sanctum.com. Several people have been trying to help me make postfix work properly. Really should be a very simple thing. Problem is described in several very long threads with nothing resolved yet. Thanks for your interest. Bob S. Tanks for your interest

Anders Johansson

5 Oct 5 Oct

02:50

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On Tuesday, 5 October 2004 00.36, usr@sanctum.com wrote:

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I tried to attach the very long mail.log file from the evening of 10/3 until until the following evening but the list bounced my message.

Can't you put it up on a web page, or on an ftp server?

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This is driving me crazy !! All I want is to be able to send and receive emails.

One problem is that you have username 'Bob' with a capital 'B', but you have the root/postmaster alias set to 'bob' with a lowercase 'b'. That won't work, that's why the error message is bouncing. If you have a lowercase username 'bob', and get a mail addressed to 'Bob', postfix can handle it since it transforms the address into all-lowercase before it delivers using the local transport (it works slightly differently with other transports, like cyrus), but the way you have it won't work. You either need to change your username from 'Bob' to 'bob' (a very good idea, a lot of programs assume you have a lowercase username) or you need to change your postfix transport to something other than postfix's own. In future, try to use all-lowercase usernames. It'll save you a lot of headaches

Ken Schneider

03:23

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On Mon, 2004-10-04 at 22:50, Anders Johansson wrote:

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On Tuesday, 5 October 2004 00.36, usr@sanctum.com wrote:

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One problem is that you have username 'Bob' with a capital 'B', but you have the root/postmaster alias set to 'bob' with a lowercase 'b'. That won't work, that's why the error message is bouncing. If you have a lowercase username 'bob', and get a mail addressed to 'Bob', postfix can handle it since it transforms the address into all-lowercase before it delivers using the local transport (it works slightly differently with other transports, like cyrus), but the way you have it won't work. You either need to change your username from 'Bob' to 'bob' (a very good idea, a lot of programs assume you have a lowercase username) or you need to change your postfix transport to something other than postfix's own.

In future, try to use all-lowercase usernames. It'll save you a lot of headaches

First, welcome back Anders. I first pointed this this out last week but was blown off that email is not case sensitive. But in a way it is when going to the final destination. -- Ken Schneider UNIX since 1989 SuSE since 1998 * Only reply to the list please*

Anders Johansson

03:35

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On Tuesday, 5 October 2004 05.23, Ken Schneider wrote:

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On Mon, 2004-10-04 at 22:50, Anders Johansson wrote:

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On Tuesday, 5 October 2004 00.36, usr@sanctum.com wrote:

One problem is that you have username 'Bob' with a capital 'B', but you have the root/postmaster alias set to 'bob' with a lowercase 'b'. That won't work, that's why the error message is bouncing. If you have a lowercase username 'bob', and get a mail addressed to 'Bob', postfix can handle it since it transforms the address into all-lowercase before it delivers using the local transport (it works slightly differently with other transports, like cyrus), but the way you have it won't work. You either need to change your username from 'Bob' to 'bob' (a very good idea, a lot of programs assume you have a lowercase username) or you need to change your postfix transport to something other than postfix's own.

In future, try to use all-lowercase usernames. It'll save you a lot of headaches

First, welcome back Anders.

Thank you

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I first pointed this this out last week but was blown off that email is not case sensitive. But in a way it is when going to the final destination.

I think it depends on your email server, I don't think there is a standard for it. I know domain names are case insensitive, but I think user names are "implementation defined" When we're talking about postfix's local delivery agent, it's case sensitive in the sense that it will only work on all-lowercase usernames. For example, my username is andjoh, and I can receive mail to Andjoh, aNdJoH or any other combination, simply because postfix will transform everything to lowercase before it delivers. This is why postfix will never deliver anything to a username with capital letters in it. cyrus delivery is different, there it is fully case sensitive (although that's configurable too). In cyrus, by default, 'bob' and 'Bob' are two different users.

usr＠sanctum.com

07:55

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On Monday 04 October 2004 23:23, Ken Schneider wrote:

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I first pointed this this out last week but was blown off that email is not case sensitive. But in a way it is when going to the final destination.

Hello Ken, Thanks for your input. It is good to hear from people with both experience and knowledge. Sorry if you thought that your input was ignored. My fault that I failed to respond to you. Won't happen again Bob S.

usr＠sanctum.com

07:49

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On Monday 04 October 2004 22:50, Anders Johansson wrote:

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On Tuesday, 5 October 2004 00.36, usr@sanctum.com wrote:

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I tried to attach the very long mail.log file from the evening of 10/3 until until the following evening but the list bounced my message.

Hello Anders !! Welcome back. It is really nice that you are back looking over our shoulders again. I know that I do, and that many of the people on our list hope you find that "great job" that you are deserving of. We all wish you luck and the best. In the meantime stay with us. We need guru's like you.

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Can't you put it up on a web page, or on an ftp server?

Ummm, yeah I could, but figured that not many would take the time or effort to go look at it.

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One problem is that you have username 'Bob' with a capital 'B', but you have the root/postmaster alias set to 'bob' with a lowercase 'b'. That won't work, that's why the error message is bouncing. If you have a lowercase username 'bob', and get a mail addressed to 'Bob', postfix can handle it since it transforms the address into all-lowercase before it delivers using the local transport (it works slightly differently with other transports, like cyrus), but the way you have it won't work. You either need to change your username from 'Bob' to 'bob' (a very good idea, a lot of programs assume you have a lowercase username) or you need to change your postfix transport to something other than postfix's own.

OK, after hearing your advice I went back and changed everything I could think of to lowercase, (re: users) I think that it helped some. Rather than repeat it here, if you have the time and inclination, please check the thread "Postfix Question" where I reply to Carlos E.R. ( you made a comment on that thread yesterday) Thanks again for your interest and input. It is appreciated very much. Bob S

Carlos E. R.

18:22

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The 2004-10-04 at 18:36 -0400, usr@sanctum.com wrote:

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This was a very long thread originally called Postfix Question.

Still continue to have problems. Slightly different now though. Cannot get Procmail to work properly.

I'm getting lost. Procmail?

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Background, KDE 3.3 & Kmail 1.7 I have 3 email addresses.one of which is rnr@sanctum.com Originally I could not send out emails unless I downloaded mails first. Carlos E.R. gave me a step by step of how to setup Procmail in Yast. During that process I changed the name of my local address to "EasyStreet" hoping that it would make things a little clearer for me. That worked for sending messages. (somewhat) Now I find that emails cannot be downloaded to that address. The other two are OK.

Or postfix? Be carefull with names, or you'll get us very confused. I was helping you to configure postfix. You say you are sending to "bob@EasyStreet.local". I don't know how you have done that, what configuration you modified, but I see a possible problem there: postfix will have problems delivering to servers that are not resolved by the DNS server. What exactly is your machine name? It is the ouput of this command: hostname --long -- Cheers, Carlos Robinson

Carlos E. R.

21:51

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The 2004-10-05 at 20:22 +0200, I wrote:

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I'm getting lost. Procmail?

Do: grep "#" -v /etc/postfix/main.cf and post the result. Also, a "hostname --fqdn", and a "dnsdomainname" just in case. Let's see if we can find what is wrong. -- Cheers, Carlos Robinson

Bob S

7 Oct 7 Oct

02:02

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On Tuesday 05 October 2004 14:22, Carlos E. R. wrote:

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The 2004-10-04 at 18:36 -0400, usr@sanctum.com wrote:

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This was a very long thread originally called Postfix Question.

I'm getting lost. Procmail?

Me too Carlos - Done so many different things. Wondering which way is up. Such a simple? thing - so difficult - Just old and senile I guess.

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During that process I changed the name of my local address to "EasyStreet" hoping that it would make things a little clearer for me. That worked for sending messages. (somewhat) Now I find that emails cannot be downloaded to that address. The other two are OK, one of which is the address that this list is sent to me.

Or postfix? Be carefull with names, or you'll get us very confused. I was helping you to configure postfix.

Ummmm... Yes you are correct. Will try harder not to confuse you or me !

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You say you are sending to "bob@EasyStreet.local". I don't know how you have done that, what configuration you modified, but I see a possible problem there: postfix will have problems delivering to servers that are not resolved by the DNS server.

Welll... I changed the name several days ago, figuring that it would help me keep track of what I was doing. (used to be that name for several years until I upgraded to 8.2 and it was changed to Linux) I made the change in Yast2 Host Names This is what is in there at present: --------------------------------------- 127.0.0.1 localhost 127.0.0.2 EasyStreet.local EasyStreet (alias) fe00::0 ipv6-localnet ff00::0 ipv6-mcastprefix ff02::1 ipv6-allnodes ff02::2 ipv6-allrouters ff03::3 ipv6-allhosts -------------------------------------- Now, looking in Yast, under Hostname & DNS, I have the following: Hostname _EasyStreet, Domain name_local Under the Name Servers and domain search list I have the following: Name server 1 & 2 are my ISP's IP addresses. Under Domain search 1, it is "local".

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What exactly is your machine name? It is the ouput of this command:

hostname --long

EasyStreet.local Now in the next message you asked me to do a grep output and two other commands. This is the result: -------------------------------------- bob@EasyStreet:~> grep "#" -v /etc/postfix/main.cf queue_directory = /var/spool/postfix command_directory = /usr/sbin daemon_directory = /usr/lib/postfix mail_owner = postfix unknown_local_recipient_reject_code = 550 debug_peer_level = 2 debugger_command = PATH=/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/X11R6/bin xxgdb $daemon_directory/$process_name $process_id & sleep 5 sendmail_path = /usr/sbin/sendmail newaliases_path = /usr/bin/newaliases mailq_path = /usr/bin/mailq setgid_group = maildrop html_directory = /usr/share/doc/packages/postfix/html manpage_directory = /usr/share/man sample_directory = /usr/share/doc/packages/postfix/samples readme_directory = /usr/share/doc/packages/postfix/README_FILES mail_spool_directory = /var/mail canonical_maps = hash:/etc/postfix/canonical virtual_maps = hash:/etc/postfix/virtual relocated_maps = hash:/etc/postfix/relocated transport_maps = hash:/etc/postfix/transport sender_canonical_maps = hash:/etc/postfix/sender_canonical masquerade_exceptions = root masquerade_classes = envelope_sender, header_sender, header_recipient myhostname = EasyStreet.local program_directory = /usr/lib/postfix inet_interfaces = 127.0.0.1 ::1 masquerade_domains = mydestination = $myhostname, localhost.$mydomain defer_transports = smtp disable_dns_lookups = yes relayhost = sanctum.com content_filter = mailbox_command = /usr/bin/procmail mailbox_transport = smtpd_sender_restrictions = hash:/etc/postfix/access smtpd_client_restrictions = smtpd_helo_required = no smtpd_helo_restrictions = strict_rfc821_envelopes = no smtpd_recipient_restrictions = permit_mynetworks,reject_unauth_destination smtp_sasl_auth_enable = yes smtp_sasl_security_options = smtp_sasl_password_maps = hash:/etc/postfix/sasl_passwd smtpd_sasl_auth_enable = no smtpd_use_tls = no smtp_use_tls = no alias_maps = hash:/etc/aliases mailbox_size_limit = 51200000 message_size_limit = 10240000 bob@EasyStreet:~> ---------------------------------------- hostname -- fqdn results in: hostname: Host Name lookup failure dnsdomainname results in : local ----------------------------------------------- Now, seeing that the hostname failed, I went back in to Hostname & DNS and added 127.0.0.1 (localhost) to the Name server search list. That resulted in a hostname --fqdn query as: EasyStreet.local. I can still mail to "root" and "bob" but mailing to myself at my ISP ( rnr@sanctun.com ) results in a deferred message in the mail log. As follows in the last few lines of the mail log. ------------------------------------------- Oct 6 01:41:44 EasyStreet postfix/pickup[27959]: 50E7D23345: uid=500 from=<bob> Oct 6 01:41:44 EasyStreet postfix/cleanup[28494]: 50E7D23345: message-id=<41638597.mailLZD1WM51U@EasyStreet.local> Oct 6 01:41:44 EasyStreet postfix/qmgr[27960]: 50E7D23345: from=, size=425, nrcpt=1 (queue active) Oct 6 01:41:44 EasyStreet postfix/smtp[28479]: 50E7D23345: to=, orig_to=, relay=none, delay=0, status=deferred () -------------------------------------------- Anyway, at this point I have no idea of where I am with this. Am afraid to try and get my e-mail from "rnr" for fear of them getting lost in cyberspace. Thanks again and "Cheers" to you also. Bob S,

Carlos E. R.

22:14

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The 2004-10-06 at 22:02 -0400, Bob S wrote:

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Yast2 Host Names This is what is in there at present: --------------------------------------- 127.0.0.1 localhost 127.0.0.2 EasyStreet.local EasyStreet (alias) ...

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hostname --long

EasyStreet.local

Now in the next message you asked me to do a grep output and two other commands. This is the result: -------------------------------------- bob@EasyStreet:~> grep "#" -v /etc/postfix/main.cf queue_directory = /var/spool/postfix

The only interesting differences with mine are (I have suse 9.1): inet_interfaces = $myhostname, localhost mynetworks = 192.168.100.2/8 127.0.0.0/8 header_checks = pcre:/etc/postfix/header_checks -- perhaps it is not on by default in 8.2

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---------------------------------------- hostname -- fqdn results in: hostname: Host Name lookup failure dnsdomainname results in : local -----------------------------------------------

Ah, one problem found.

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Now, seeing that the hostname failed, I went back in to Hostname & DNS and added 127.0.0.1 (localhost) to the Name server search list. That resulted in a hostname --fqdn query as: EasyStreet.local. I can still mail to "root" and "bob" but mailing to myself at my ISP ( rnr@sanctun.com ) results in a deferred message in the mail log. As follows in the last few lines of the mail log. ------------------------------------------- Oct 6 01:41:44 EasyStreet postfix/pickup[27959]: 50E7D23345: uid=500 from=<bob> Oct 6 01:41:44 EasyStreet postfix/cleanup[28494]: 50E7D23345: message-id=<41638597.mailLZD1WM51U@EasyStreet.local> Oct 6 01:41:44 EasyStreet postfix/qmgr[27960]: 50E7D23345: from=, size=425, nrcpt=1 (queue active) Oct 6 01:41:44 EasyStreet postfix/smtp[28479]: 50E7D23345: to=, orig_to=, relay=none, delay=0, status=deferred () --------------------------------------------

Gotcha! Yes, you are getting a "weird" problem with postfix, that I have in another "flavour" sometimes in my setup - I'm unsure of the cause. The last log line above says that your email to 'rnr' was sent to bob@EasyStreet.EasyStreet.local - ie, it has prepended an extra "EasyStreet" to the host name. See, this is a line from my machine (a quick test): Oct 7 15:02:14 telperion postfix/local[5361]: CAB774E0: to=, orig_to=, relay=local, delay=13, status=sent ("|/usr/bin/procmail") You should get something similar. What is the problem? I think it is your localhost definition. In your file "/etc/hosts" you should have: 127.0.0.1 localhost 192.168.100.1 EasyStreet.local EasyStreet I'm assuming that you have an ethernet card - substitute the IP for whichever one your local IP is. If you don't have one - I'll have to think it over. Perhaps: 127.0.0.1 localhost 127.0.0.1 EasyStreet.local EasyStreet -- Cheers, Carlos Robinson

Bob S

8 Oct 8 Oct

06:32

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On Thursday 07 October 2004 18:14, Carlos E. R. wrote:

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The 2004-10-06 at 22:02 -0400, Bob S wrote:

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Yast2 Host Names This is what is in there at present: ---------------------------------------- hostname -- fqdn results in: hostname: Host Name lookup failure dnsdomainname results in : local ----------------------------------------------- ...........<snip some>...........

Hello Carlos,

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Yes, you are getting a "weird" problem with postfix, that I have in another "flavour" sometimes in my setup - I'm unsure of the cause. The last log line above says that your email to 'rnr' was sent to bob@EasyStreet.EasyStreet.local - ie, it has prepended an extra "EasyStreet" to the host name. See, this is a line from my machine (a quick test): ...............<snip more>...........

Welllll...., after looking at what you said, I went back into Yast and changed the Virtual Domain destination to "bob" instead of "bob@EasyStreet" After doing your "tests" from about 5 e-mails ago, it worked OK. Mail log showed it was delivered. That evidently stopped it from prepending the extra "EasyStreet. Seems now that all of the "local messages are now being delivered to me at Kmail. Problem solved???

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What is the problem? I think it is your localhost definition. In your file "/etc/hosts" you should have:

127.0.0.1 localhost 192.168.100.1 EasyStreet.local EasyStreet

I'm assuming that you have an ethernet card - substitute the IP for whichever one your local IP is. If you don't have one - I'll have to think it over. Perhaps: <snip>

Nope, don't have an ethernet card. Stand Alone Desktop. But, as per my previous paragraph, The change seemed to have worked. Soooo... I tried downloading all of my e-mail for rnr and got it all. Success !!!! Still can't "upload" an e-mail without first "downloading" e-mails but I guess I am going to have to live with that. Still think that there is something weird about Kmail 1.7. Never had problems before the upgrade. Planning to upgrade to 9.2 when it arrives so maybe this will all go away, (or maybe not - with new problems) Anyway, I thank you and all of guru's on this list for their patience and understanding. That is what makes this list the best that I have ever seen. You are an amazing bunch of people representing many countries of this world. Bob S. PS Carlos, a special compliment to you. Your command of the English language is superb. Believe me when I tell you, there are many native speakers who do not have the command, vocabulary, and ability that you do. I only wish that I could speak your language as well as you speak mine. Kudo's, y gracias por todo.

Carlos E. R.

11:51

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The Friday 2004-10-08 at 02:32 -0400, Bob S wrote:

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Welllll...., after looking at what you said, I went back into Yast and changed the Virtual Domain destination to "bob" instead of "bob@EasyStreet" After

ARrgghhhh! I would never had guessed you had that O:-)

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doing your "tests" from about 5 e-mails ago, it worked OK. Mail log showed it was delivered. That evidently stopped it from prepending the extra "EasyStreet. Seems now that all of the "local messages are now being delivered to me at Kmail. Problem solved???

It seems so m_X (keep fingers crossed, touch wood, whatever you do over there :-p )

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Nope, don't have an ethernet card. Stand Alone Desktop. But, as per my previous paragraph, The change seemed to have worked. Soooo... I tried downloading all of my e-mail for rnr and got it all. Success !!!!

Good!

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Still can't "upload" an e-mail without first "downloading" e-mails but I guess I am going to have to live with that. Still think that there is something weird about Kmail 1.7. Never had problems before the upgrade. Planning to upgrade to 9.2 when it arrives so maybe this will all go away, (or maybe not - with new problems)

I don't know, I don't use kmail much - I do all my downloading with fetchmail. About the sending... well, you are relaying through your ISP, so they want authentication, that's normal. Assuming that kmail is relaying through postfix, you can try one thing else, to make postfix use authentication. It is documented in '/usr/share/doc/packages/postfix/README_FILES/SASL_README', but you don't need to do everything explained there, SuSE did most of it for us. The important section for us is "Enabling SASL authentication in the Postfix SMTP client". A brief explanation follows: sux - cd /etc/postfix In file 'main.cf' make sure you have: smtp_sasl_auth_enable = yes smtp_sasl_password_maps = hash:/etc/postfix/sasl_passwd But you already have that done, I just checked the configuration you posted the other day. Then, you only need to tell postfix which are the passwords your ISP SMTP's server requires. Do: mcedit sasl_passwd (or whatever editor you prefer, as root) (as we used sux instead of su, you can use any graphical editor you like) enter a line similar to this one (change as needed): mail.sanctum.com remoteloginname:remotepassword and save. Finally, run: postmap sasl_passwd rcpostfix reload And test it. It will not hurt, in the worst case, you will need to pop before smtp as previously.

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Anyway, I thank you and all of guru's on this list for their patience and understanding. That is what makes this list the best that I have ever seen. You are an amazing bunch of people representing many countries of this world.

Welcome :-)

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Bob S.

PS Carlos, a special compliment to you. Your command of the English language is superb. Believe me when I tell you, there are many native speakers who do not have the command, vocabulary, and ability that you do. I only wish that I could speak your language as well as you speak mine.

Kudo's, y gracias por todo.

Thanks for the compliment! But it is only when I write ;-) -- Cheers, Carlos Robinson

Bob S

10 Oct 10 Oct

02:34

New subject: [SLE] Procmail-Postfix Problem

On Friday 08 October 2004 07:51, Carlos E. R. wrote:

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Assuming that kmail is relaying through postfix, you can try one thing else, to make postfix use authentication. It is documented in '/usr/share/doc/packages/postfix/README_FILES/SASL_README', but you don't need to do everything explained there, SuSE did most of it for us. The important section for us is "Enabling SASL authentication in the Postfix SMTP client".

A brief explanation follows:

sux - cd /etc/postfix

........<snip more>........

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Then, you only need to tell postfix which are the passwords your ISP SMTP's server requires. Do:

mcedit sasl_passwd (or whatever editor you prefer, as root) (as we used sux instead of su, you can use any graphical editor you like)

enter a line similar to this one (change as needed):

mail.sanctum.com remoteloginname:remotepassword

Needed to an "=" before it would accept it.

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and save. Finally, run:

postmap sasl_passwd rcpostfix reload

And test it. It will not hurt, in the worst case, you will need to pop before smtp as previously.

.....<snip more>...........Just did that now. We will see what happens and let you/the list know.

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PS Carlos, a special compliment to you. Your command of the English language is superb. Believe me when I tell you, there are many native speakers who do not have the command, vocabulary, and ability that you do. I only wish that I could speak your language as well as you speak mine.

Kudo's, y gracias por todo.

Thanks for the compliment! But it is only when I write ;-)

Hmmmph...kinda doubt that. You mean you have an accent? My Central American friends use to tease me that I spoke Spanish with a New York accent. Cheers to you Carlos, Bob S.

Carlos E. R.

20:09

New subject: [SLE] Procmail-Postfix Problem

The Saturday 2004-10-09 at 22:34 -0400, Bob S wrote:

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mcedit sasl_passwd (or whatever editor you prefer, as root) (as we used sux instead of su, you can use any graphical editor you like)

enter a line similar to this one (change as needed):

mail.sanctum.com remoteloginname:remotepassword

Needed to an "=" before it would accept it.

If you did it editing directly the file, no, it is not needed. I use that method. If you did it inside yast, I don't know.

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speakers who do not have the command, vocabulary, and ability that you do. I only wish that I could speak your language as well as you speak mine.

Kudo's, y gracias por todo.

Thanks for the compliment! But it is only when I write ;-)

Hmmmph...kinda doubt that. You mean you have an accent? My Central American friends use to tease me that I spoke Spanish with a New York accent.

Yeap, of course I have an accent: every body does, even with their first language :-p Mine is a mixture of the places I have been, I guess. But no, I meant that speaking english is more dificult for me than writing. For example, I can not follow a movie, not 100%. When writing I have time, and can use a spellchecker ;-) -- Cheers, Carlos Robinson

Bob S

12 Oct 12 Oct

05:17

New subject: [SLE] Procmail-Postfix Problem

On Saturday 09 October 2004 22:34, Bob S wrote:

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On Friday 08 October 2004 07:51, Carlos E. R. wrote:

......................<snip a whole bunch>..............

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Assuming that kmail is relaying through postfix, you can try one thing else, to make postfix use authentication. It is documented in '/usr/share/doc/packages/postfix/README_FILES/SASL_README', but you don't need to do everything explained there, SuSE did most of it for us. The important section for us is "Enabling SASL authentication in the Postfix SMTP client".

A brief explanation follows:

sux - cd /etc/postfix

........<snip more>........

...
Then, you only need to tell postfix which are the passwords your ISP SMTP's server requires. Do:

enter a line similar to this one (change as needed):

mail.sanctum.com remoteloginname:remotepassword

Needed to an "=" before it would accept it.

...
and save. Finally, run:

postmap sasl_passwd rcpostfix reload

And test it. It will not hurt, in the worst case, you will need to pop before smtp as previously.

.....<snip more>...........Just did that now. We will see what happens and let you/the list know.

Wellll.....That allowed me to upload mail before downloading. But, when I went to download mail for "rnr" it told me there were no new messages. Impossible !! Now, when I checked for mail in "bob", there were all of the "rnr" messages. I give up. This is craziness. Will change it back and only upload until after I download and wait for 9.2. Still think there is somethong wrong with Kmail 1.7. Sometimes it slows my system to something less than a snail's pace. Doesn't show up in "top" but only happens when I am running Kmail. It also keeps doing strange things to my address book which I have to keep editing and changing. Lost lots of e-mail addresses. :-( Thanks anyway Carlos & the rest of you. Bob S.

Carlos E. R.

14 Oct 14 Oct

12:16

New subject: [SLE] Procmail-Postfix Problem

The Tuesday 2004-10-12 at 01:17 -0400, Bob S wrote:

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Wellll.....That allowed me to upload mail before downloading. But, when I went to download mail for "rnr" it told me there were no new messages. Impossible !! Now, when I checked for mail in "bob", there were all of the "rnr" messages.

I don't know, I don't see what one thing has to do with the other. Are both "rnr" and "bob" isp accounts, or is one a local account? If it is what I think, postfix knows, or should know, that rnr mail has be moved over to bob.

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I give up. This is craziness. Will change it back and only upload until after I download and wait for 9.2.

Postfix will not change. It is very stable, features are added, but basic behaviour doesn't change. Kmail might.

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Still think there is somethong wrong with Kmail 1.7. Sometimes it slows my system to something less than a snail's pace. Doesn't show up in "top" but only happens when I am running Kmail. It also keeps doing strange things to my address book which I have to keep editing and changing. Lost lots of e-mail addresses. :-(

Then go back to the previous kmail. -- Cheers, Carlos Robinson

Bob S

15 Oct 15 Oct

02:40

New subject: [SLE] Procmail-Postfix Problem

On Thursday 14 October 2004 08:16, Carlos E. R. wrote:

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The Tuesday 2004-10-12 at 01:17 -0400, Bob S wrote:

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Wellll.....That allowed me to upload mail before downloading. But, when I went to download mail for "rnr" it told me there were no new messages. Impossible !! Now, when I checked for mail in "bob", there were all of the "rnr" messages.

I don't know, I don't see what one thing has to do with the other. Are both "rnr" and "bob" isp accounts, or is one a local account?

I also don't understand how that could happen either. rnr is isp and bob is local.

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If it is what I think, postfix knows, or should know, that rnr mail has be moved over to bob.

Just want my "rnr" mail downloaded into the inbox like always, and have "bob" only for the local mail.

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I give up. This is craziness. Will change it back and only upload until after I download and wait for 9.2.

Hmmm..same deviant behavior after I changed it back.

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Postfix will not change. It is very stable, features are added, but basic behaviour doesn't change. Kmail might.

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Still think there is somethong wrong with Kmail 1.7.

Then go back to the previous kmail.

Don't know if that is possible. Kmail 1.7 comes with KDE 3.3 Kmail 1.6 came with KDE 3.2

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Bob S.

Carlos E. R.

26 Oct 26 Oct

19:00

New subject: [SLE] Procmail-Postfix Problem

The Thursday 2004-10-14 at 22:40 -0400, Bob S wrote:

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On Thursday 14 October 2004 08:16, Carlos E. R. wrote:

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The Tuesday 2004-10-12 at 01:17 -0400, Bob S wrote:

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Wellll.....That allowed me to upload mail before downloading. But, when I went to download mail for "rnr" it told me there were no new messages. Impossible !! Now, when I checked for mail in "bob", there were all of the "rnr" messages.

I don't know, I don't see what one thing has to do with the other. Are both "rnr" and "bob" isp accounts, or is one a local account?

I also don't understand how that could happen either. rnr is isp and bob is local.

Mmmm. The virtual file, depending on how kmail fetchs mail. Just guessing. -- Cheers, Carlos Robinson

Bob S

27 Oct 27 Oct

02:39

New subject: [SLE] Procmail-Postfix Problem

On Tuesday 26 October 2004 15:00, Carlos E. R. wrote:

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The Thursday 2004-10-14 at 22:40 -0400, Bob S wrote:

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On Thursday 14 October 2004 08:16, Carlos E. R. wrote:

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The Tuesday 2004-10-12 at 01:17 -0400, Bob S wrote:

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Wellll.....That allowed me to upload mail before downloading. But, when I went to download mail for "rnr" it told me there were no new messages. Impossible !! Now, when I checked for mail in "bob", there were all of the "rnr" messages.

I don't know, I don't see what one thing has to do with the other. Are both "rnr" and "bob" isp accounts, or is one a local account?

I also don't understand how that could happen either. rnr is isp and bob is local.

Mmmm. The virtual file, depending on how kmail fetchs mail. Just guessing.

Hi Carlos, Yep, was calling fetchmail which went and got all of my rnr mail as soon as I went on line, downloaded it and put it in the "bob" folder. Fixed that. Still have to download before I can upload a new message. I will just live with that because according to Novell my new SuSE 9.2 is on it's way. Thanks again, Bob S.

Carlos E. R.

14:58

New subject: [SLE] Procmail-Postfix Problem

The Tuesday 2004-10-26 at 22:39 -0400, Bob S wrote:

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Mmmm. The virtual file, depending on how kmail fetchs mail. Just guessing.

Yep, was calling fetchmail which went and got all of my rnr mail as soon as I went on line, downloaded it and put it in the "bob" folder. Fixed that.

Ahhh! But I understood you were using kmail, I forgot that yast would set up automatically fetchmail just by telling it your account data.

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Still have to download before I can upload a new message. I will just live with that because according to Novell my new SuSE 9.2 is on it's way.

I'll be listening to every body's "new" problems here ;-) -- Cheers, Carlos Robinson

Bob S

7 Oct 7 Oct

02:54

New subject: [SLE] Procmail-Postfix Problem

On Tuesday 05 October 2004 14:22, Carlos E. R. wrote:

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The 2004-10-04 at 18:36 -0400, usr@sanctum.com wrote:

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This was a very long thread originally called Postfix Question.

Carlos and the rest of my SuSE guru's, Message just put up before this one was supposed to have been sent last night. Returned to me because It was mailed by the wrong sender. That is kind of strange because I always "reply to the mailing list" Ummmm.... Hate to tell you this but not being able to send before downloading new mail is back !! :-( I have no idea why. Sending mail was fine for several days. :-( I have noticed something funny about Kmail. When I first upgraded from 1.6 to 1.7 fonts were smaller than I liked etc., so I went and changed all of the settings to what I wanted. Now, when I fire up Kmail, sometimes I get the "old" look, the way it was before I configured it. Have to shut it down and restart it to get my "new" settings. Very strange. Address book is crazy also. It has put double entries for every one of my e-mail contacts. Another strange thing happens to the KDE desktop. Different thread for that though, in a couple of days. (Hopefully after this one is solved) Bob S.

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