Sven Burmeister wrote:

Am Dienstag, 27. Januar 2009 18:43:31 schrieb Jason Bailey, Sun Advocate Webmaster:

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I was just going to ask if there were official 4.2 (final) rpms for SUSE. Of those of you who are running 4.2, are you using a RC, or the final version? If there is a repository for 4.2 final, can you tell me where it is?

Google + kde4 + opensuse gets you to: http://en.opensuse.org/KDE4

Sven

I saw that after my last post, but I had to wonder if the KDE 4.2 there is based on a release candidate, as they are labeled "UNSTABLE". Does anyone know if the KDE 4.2 posted there is based on the final (i.e. GM) 4.2 officially released today? When I had opensuse 11.0, I did several KDE 4.x upgrades... all with just a few clicks. It would be nice to do the same here, assuming again that the opensuse sources contain the final/stable version of KDE 4.2, and not a RC or beta. Maybe there isn't a seamless and simple way to simply upgrade 4.1.3 to 4.2 GM (yet), especially without dependency problems. Can anyone comment on this? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Jason Bailey, Sun Advocate Webmaster wrote:

Sven Burmeister wrote:

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Am Dienstag, 27. Januar 2009 18:43:31 schrieb Jason Bailey, Sun Advocate Webmaster:

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I was just going to ask if there were official 4.2 (final) rpms for SUSE. Of those of you who are running 4.2, are you using a RC, or the final version? If there is a repository for 4.2 final, can you tell me where it is?

Google + kde4 + opensuse gets you to: http://en.opensuse.org/KDE4

Sven

I saw that after my last post, but I had to wonder if the KDE 4.2 there is based on a release candidate, as they are labeled "UNSTABLE". Does anyone know if the KDE 4.2 posted there is based on the final (i.e. GM) 4.2 officially released today?

When I had opensuse 11.0, I did several KDE 4.x upgrades... all with just a few clicks. It would be nice to do the same here, assuming again that the opensuse sources contain the final/stable version of KDE 4.2, and not a RC or beta.

Maybe there isn't a seamless and simple way to simply upgrade 4.1.3 to 4.2 GM (yet), especially without dependency problems. Can anyone comment on this?

Here is a copy of a message I posted yesterday in opensuse-factory re 4.2 followed by the response I received to my questions. Both will answer everyone's queries about updating to KDE4.2 QUOTE In anticipation of the release of KDE4.2 Final later today I would like to firstly state what my current situation is re having KDE4.2 RC1 on my system, and also ask a couple of questions. I am running oS 11.1 with KDE4.2RC1 - at least this is what the logon screen suggests when queried; but I am wondering if I *am* running all the correct files necessary for 4.2RC1. I am using the following repositories which I *believe* are the correct ones to have used to have 4.2RC1 on the system for testing (but the naming convention used in the repos is a tad confusing): http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/KDE:/KDE4:/Factory:/Extra-Apps/ope... http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/KDE:/KDE4:/Factory:/Desktop/openSU... http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/KDE:/KDE4:/Community/openSUSE_11.1... I also have these which are used for the original 4.1 installation: http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/KDE:/Community/openSUSE_11.1 http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/KDE:/Backports/openSUSE_11.1 My questions are, (1) have I used the correct repositories above (the first 3 in particular) to have 4.2RC1 for testing on my system, and (2) will using these repositories also update my system to KDE4.2 Final when it is released later today? UNQUOTE The response I received from Martin: QUOTE Tirsdag 27 januar 2009 05:56:01 skrev Basil Chupin:

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My questions are, (1) have I used the correct repositories above (the first 3 in particular) to have 4.2RC1 for testing on my system, and (2) will using these repositories also update my system to KDE4.2 Final when it is released later today?

Yes and yes. Just remember a couple of things: 1) kde4:/factory flavour is openSUSE development - so even though the code is officially released and "stable" from a KDE point of view, the packages remain pre-alpha and under active development from the openSUSE point of view. 2) if you don't pay attention (planetsuse.org or -kde mailinglist) kde4:/factory repositories might change to 4.3 beta right under your feet in 2-4 months time - depending on how the 11.2 roadmap turns out, when it's finally published. UNQUOTE I really don't recall any dependency problem but if there were then to the errors reply "Ignore some dependency problems for kde4" (or close enough to this :-) ). Hope this does answer the queries. Ciao. -- "I do not instruct the uninterested; I do not help those who fail to try. If I mention one corner of a subject and the pupil does not deduce therefrom the other three, I drop him." Confucius -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Anders Johansson wrote:

On Wednesday 28 January 2009 02:53:40 Basil Chupin wrote: [...[

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Just remember a couple of things: 1) kde4:/factory flavour is openSUSE development

Agh, yes, I always mix up unstable and factory. Sorry about that

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I really don't recall any dependency problem but if there were then to

When going from 4.1.3 there are a few things in the popup, such as powerdevil no longer being its own package, and a few other things

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the errors reply "Ignore some dependency problems for kde4" (or close enough to this :-) ).

Right

Anders

What has me "confus-ed" (as my late father-in-law used to say [he was Italian]) is that this morning more updates were reported by zypp (or is it zypper?) and when I went to apply them I suddenly (as in yesterday or day before there were none) got a dependency error which I satisfied by not installing compiz-kde-4-0.7.8.24.1. Then I decided to install smart as the system updater (I have it installed on my "test" system" with the identical (naturally) channels (repositories) I have for zypper/zypp/whatever). Not only did smart have any problems with dependencies associated with compiz-kde-4* (above) it installed about a dozen updates - even though zypper/zypp was showing no updates to be done only a minute or so before I ran smart. Results like this don't make for trust about whether oS is being correctly updated. Personally I cannot help accept smart as the more reliable app to update oS. Ciao. -- "I do not instruct the uninterested; I do not help those who fail to try. If I mention one corner of a subject and the pupil does not deduce therefrom the other three, I drop him." Confucius -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Basil Chupin wrote:

Basil Chupin wrote:

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Not only did smart have any problems with dependencies associated with compiz-kde-4* (above)

:-( :-(

This is what happens when dinner is served in the middle of typing a message.

The above should, of course, read "Not only did smart did not have any problems.......".

Apologies to all.

Ciao.

Or perhaps "Not only did smart not have any problems.......". Then again, my Australian isn't that great. ;-) -- Use OpenOffice.org http://www.openoffice.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Thursday 29 January 2009 07:45:35 Basil Chupin wrote:

Anders Johansson wrote:

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On Wednesday 28 January 2009 02:53:40 Basil Chupin wrote: [...[

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Just remember a couple of things: 1) kde4:/factory flavour is openSUSE development

Agh, yes, I always mix up unstable and factory. Sorry about that

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I really don't recall any dependency problem but if there were then to

When going from 4.1.3 there are a few things in the popup, such as powerdevil no longer being its own package, and a few other things

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the errors reply "Ignore some dependency problems for kde4" (or close enough to this :-) ).

Right

Anders

What has me "confus-ed" (as my late father-in-law used to say [he was Italian]) is that this morning more updates were reported by zypp (or is it zypper?) and when I went to apply them I suddenly (as in yesterday or day before there were none) got a dependency error which I satisfied by not installing compiz-kde-4-0.7.8.24.1.

Then I decided to install smart as the system updater (I have it installed on my "test" system" with the identical (naturally) channels (repositories) I have for zypper/zypp/whatever).

Not only did smart have any problems with dependencies associated with compiz-kde-4* (above) it installed about a dozen updates - even though zypper/zypp was showing no updates to be done only a minute or so before I ran smart.

Results like this don't make for trust about whether oS is being correctly updated. Personally I cannot help accept smart as the more reliable app to update oS.

It's hard to comment without knowing the details of your dependency issues. It could be simply that your first update attempt was in the middle of a sync, and when you tried again it was finished. There were dependency issues when going from 4.1.x to 4.2 (your last update from 4.2RC to 4.2 final was long after that, you must have handled those issues long before) I know that smart at least in the past had issues with 64 bit machines, when the repositories weren't completely in sync and 32 bit packages had higher version numbers, it would suddenly start migrating your system to 32bit, messing everything up in the process. Has that been fixed now? But if you see something in zypper that strikes you as a bug, report it. It must be fixed Anders -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Anders Johansson wrote:

On Wednesday 28 January 2009 02:53:40 Basil Chupin wrote:

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I really don't recall any dependency problem but if there were then to the errors reply "Ignore some dependency problems for kde4" (or close enough to this :-) ).

Actually, wrong. You can't just choose "ignore this dependency for now", it will cause problems. Instead, you should select to uninstall the colliding package

Anders

I am not one to brashly go where noone else has brashly gone before :-) so let me qualify/explain my comment. I updated 2 systems- the first, my "main" system, was done just before 0100 hours (my time) and I posted my msg re 4.2 shortly after this time. My msg stated that it all went smoothly, and I do not remember having any dependency problems. I updated my second, the "test" system, earlier today and with this one I had 2 dependency problems, one had to do with kdebluetooth4 (I am pretty sure, from memory), which I don't use, and another one which I cannot remember. Being my "test" system I accepted the choice of ignoring any unsatisfied dependency/ies with KDE4 because it wouldn't have really mattered if things crashed. Fortunately, I guess, nothing went wrong and this "test" system is running well :-) . I totally accept your warning that dependency problems must be handled properly. My choice to date when they have arisen was to "do not install" the RPM causing the problem. Ciao. -- "I do not instruct the uninterested; I do not help those who fail to try. If I mention one corner of a subject and the pupil does not deduce therefrom the other three, I drop him." Confucius -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Has somebody been able to run compiz kde4 window decorator in KDE 4.2? I find kwin effects so slow and buggi and I'm very used to the cube and some compiz effects to turn them off. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 9:18 AM, medwinz wrote:

Last time I use compiz from http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/X11:/XGL/openSUSE_11.1_KDE4_Factor... It runs, well still have bugs I think. But it works.

That is a correct repo to use with KDE 4.2(Factory). For the default KDE4 that comes with 11.1 carry on using X11:XGL/openSUSE_11.1 repo. Cheers -J -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Hi, I have the Cyberorg compiz-git repositories but even its compiz-git-kde4 package is incompatible with KDE 4.2. So I downloaded compiz from the git repositories and built my selft the compiz-git-kde4 rpm, now I can use compiz + kde4-window-decorator + KDE 4.2 (I love the look of kwin4). I you are interested in the kde4-window-decorator rpm for KDE 4.2 drop me a line. rgds. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Rodney Wishart wrote:

Basil Chupin wrote:

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Rodney Wishart wrote:

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Hi Basil,

Glad to here 4.2 is running OK for you. For the benefit of those on this list, could you please post your YaST repository config re. 4.2 and any dependency resolutions you had to deal with.

Rodney

See my message I posted several minutes ago in reply to Jason. That contains what you want.

Ciao.

PS The repos mentioned are in addition to the standard ones you would have selected to keep 11.1 and KDE4 up-to-date.

Thanks Basil.

Glad to be of help.

Just finished my 4.2 upgrade. One thing I noticed right away, the ability to place spacer widgets on the panel have gone are missing.

Didn't even know that such existed. With me, simply placing a "widgie"[1] on the panel automatically creates a space between it and the one(s) next to it. However, there is one new 'feature': when assigning a new "widgie" to the panel one has to move it into the LH-side of the panel, next to the Geeko.

They were really a great help to keep all my icons from being squished to one side. Also, my sound is kinda choppy. I have onboard usb sound and while it was usable in 4.1.3 its even worse in 4.2. Go figure?

You are aware that pulseaudio is a PITA when it comes to sound and that uninstalling it, and using ALSA, gets sound back to what it is supposed to be? You may also be interested in this: http://en.opensuse.org/Configure%2C_Build_and_Install_a_Custom_Linux_Kernel Improved my TV viewing/sound no end. Ciao. -- "I do not instruct the uninterested; I do not help those who fail to try. If I mention one corner of a subject and the pupil does not deduce therefrom the other three, I drop him." Confucius -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Basil Chupin wrote:

Basil Chupin wrote:

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Didn't even know that such existed. With me, simply placing a "widgie"[1] on the panel

Ooops! Mea culpa. I forgot to spell out what the [1] footnote was supposed to read.

[1] "Widgie" is the female counterpart of the male "Bodgie" and refer to terms used in Australia (and NZ?) back in the 50's for the equivalent terms used at that time in the United Kingdom for members of the 'Teddy Boy' fraternity. In current terms I guess they would now be called "Skin Heads" or similar.

Ciao.

Gobsmacked! I knew the Aussie's had a hand in the wonky naming conventions in 4. (Thankfully, they went with the earlier phraseology.) I'd hate to have to add a "skin head" to my panel... -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. Rankin Law Firm, PLLC 510 Ochiltree Street Nacogdoches, Texas 75961 Telephone: (936) 715-9333 Facsimile: (936) 715-9339 www.rankinlawfirm.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Rodney Wishart wrote: [pruned]

Basil,

You're right about Pulse Audio. For me its a giant PITA!! Anyway, I tried to remove it once when I was in the KDE 4.1.3 stage, and it was a mess. YaST wanted to remove most of my sound/audio packages and I just gave up fighting the dependencies. Has anyone ever come up with exactly which parts of Pulse you can remove and which ones have to stay? And, "PULSE" is a great name for this code, because every time I think about this little gem, the headache I get really dose pulse. :)

Rodney

Something wrong with all this..... using YaST to remove pulseaudio produces one dependency error which states that something needs pulseaudio and by accepting to uninstall this complaining app all goes well and pulseaudio is uninstalled (oh, one also has to accept that something called esound will be uninstalled as well). No dramas with dependencies as you describe above - at least not here. Ciao. -- "I do not instruct the uninterested; I do not help those who fail to try. If I mention one corner of a subject and the pupil does not deduce therefrom the other three, I drop him." Confucius -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Thursday 29 January 2009 06:27:10 am Manne Merak wrote:

Anyone know if there are any apps out there requiring Pulseaudio?

I removed it without drama, ie. dependency issues. It just improved audio experience. -- Regards, Rajko -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org