On 21/12/11 20:16, Brian K. White wrote:

On 12/20/2011 11:07 PM, Basil Chupin wrote:

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I have just replaced my monitor and the video card.

Now, suddenly, when I boot the computer I get the error message: "Undefined mode 348" and am given the option of selecting a video mode to continue the boot (and I select '31A' which gives me 1280x1024).

In menu.lst the entry for the boot video mode is 'vga=348' (and has been for years) which equates to a resolution of 1440x900.

The monitor supports this resolution of 1440x900.

Does anyone know, please, in which 12.1 oS file the video resolutions are defined so that I can check if '348' is there?

(There were some upgrades done this morning and I wonder if one of them produced this change?)

BC

It's a video card bios thing. The new video card either does not support that mode, or it needs special setup (every boot, post-boot) before it can support that mode (http://915resolution.mango-lang.org/), or the resolution you want is arrived at by setting some other mode number.

Hopefully you don't have a KMS problem.

Start with this. Hopefully the cards bios and the kernel driver already natively support the mode you want, and you just need to list all modes and edit your menu.lst to use whatever the new mode number is that has the resolution you want. https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/GRUB#Graphical_boot

Otherwise, it depends on what version of suse you have and what kind of chip the new video card has and whether or not you can use open source or proprietary drivers.

Google for kms and and drm

https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Intel#KMS_.28Kernel_Mode_Setting.29 I don't know where the good equivalent docs are for suse if any exist. They don't turn up from googling "opensuse kms". All I get are forum posts and http://www.novell.com/linux/releasenotes/x86_64/openSUSE/12.1/#08

Sorry I don't have explicit details.

I happen to have used 1440x900 several times myself and I don't remember ever using 348 as the video mode, so I'm guessing that was actually a card-specific and/or hack mode and the new card needs a similar but different hack, or has that mode natively instead of needing a hack, but it isn't at 348.

Many thanks, Brian. The problem solved by using 'hwinfo --framebuffer' as mentoned in the wiki.archlinux linux above. It was indeed the video card which did not support the resolution 'vga=348' which, incidentally, was the hex number which openSUSE came up with when I installed 12.1 and it is for 1400x1050 for the card I had previously used. I had searched the 'net for a solution to my problem but what I did read was more confusing than informative. I have now bookmarked the wiki.archlinux URL for future reference. It is a pity that oS doesn't have a similar site or one such as Launchpad for Ubuntu. Thanks again. BC -- There are actually three kinds of mind: one kind grasps things unaided, the second sees what another has grasped, the third grasps nothing and sees nothing. Niccolo Machiavelli -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Hello, On Wed, 21 Dec 2011, Lars Müller wrote:

On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 12:09:27AM +1100, Basil Chupin wrote: [ 8< ]

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It was indeed the video card which did not support the resolution 'vga=348' which, incidentally, was the hex number which openSUSE came up with when I installed 12.1 and it is for 1400x1050 for the card I had previously used.

I had searched the 'net for a solution to my problem but what I did read was more confusing than informative. I have now bookmarked the wiki.archlinux URL for future reference. It is a pity that oS doesn't have a similar site or one such as Launchpad for Ubuntu.

It's the result of a sucking lame community. Don't be scared if you look next time into a mirror. ;)

There _is_ the list archive. -dnh -- [Patient watching porn as pain-medication] Izzie: What is this? Wife: Nasty naughty nurses - ahm - four [..] Yang: That does NOT look comfortable. Grey: Trust me, it's not. -- Grey's Anatomy, 2x05 - Bring the Pain -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On Thursday, December 22, 2011 11:36:05 AM Basil Chupin wrote:

"a sucking lame community" you say? The question then comes up: Why?

Because everybody expects that someone else takes boring task of writing digest of few posts on a mail list in a wiki, so that is easier to find. Mail list search is not bad, but it can't filter out all unrelated and duplicate stuff that we put in our posts. It requires human intervention to preserve substantial knowledge hidden in a mail lists noise. For instance this one: http://en.opensuse.org/SDB:Boot_video_modes (Don't expect to find article there. Also, this answers your question where is SDB; it is part of the wiki.) This link and help to format and categorize article is what I can do for anyone that volunteers to create one from resources provided in this thread. -- Regards, Rajko -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On Saturday, December 24, 2011 11:26:46 AM Istvan Gabor wrote: ...

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Because everybody expects that someone else takes boring task of writing ... I find SDB much less user-friendly than before. For example earlier SDB had a page when all the titles of the published SDB articles were listed in chronological order. It was easier to find a specific article by browsing that page than searching with the 'search sdb' option now. ... So it would be very good to make available all the published SDB articles (the titles only of course with links to the articles) on one page again, including _all_ articles in chronological order, no matter how old they are.

Not imposible, I did some kind of index in now old wiki, as a http://old-en.opensuse.org/Portal but as stated above, everybody expects that someone else will take the time and create that index. There is no others. Others that created and maintained that old S.u.S.E. database either don't work for SUSE, or work in completely different areas. We, users are left alone and have to take care of documents that we need, from creating those that we need, maintaining them (fixing errors and updating with new development), to taking care that we can find them when we need them. On a side note, time based sort is only one of many that can be applied. Some readers will rememeber few words from the title, so they will need search, or sort by keywords. Keywords and key phrases can be listed in a wiki article in in a [[Category:<keyword>]], and later you can create browsing trees that will give you article in a few steps. But, someone has to make them. There is no others, it is you, me, or anybody with login that has to take time and fix little bit of this, little bit of that, and one day there will be, surprise, good wiki, like wikipedia. Anybody that has login for forums, bugzilla, build service, or any other site in opensuse.org domain, can log in with that into wiki and ork on it. Although, it is better to read a bit first: http://en.opensuse.org/Portal:Wiki as it will save some time. Also, don't take too much time to understand all details that are written, but rather be flexible and ready to take advice from those that spent and still spending a lot of their free time maintaining wiki. We have some nice tools in a new wiki, like CategoryTree that can list, as the name tells, wiki categories in a tree layout, but also it can list categories and pages, or only pages in some category. There is also many other tools, some with similar scope, some for different purpose, that make wiki editing much easier then in the old wiki.

Istvan -- Regards, Rajko -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On Saturday, December 24, 2011 01:43:07 PM Kim Leyendecker wrote:

I guess this is also relevant to the openSUSE documentation team, since a wiki is some kind of good documentation. Maybe they can give better explanations....

Documentation team knows about wiki, at least part that works for SUSE, and in particular Frank Sundermayer, that was and is one of the most knowledgeable people in wiki matters and web design. What I was referring to, in my two previus emails, is fact that majority of openSUSE users are acting like they are living in the ancient times when someone else, usually SUSE employee, did the work and they would just consume it. That time is gone. It started to go away in August 2005, when openSUSE and wiki were created. It continued to fade out when OBS was created, Factory was opened for community contributions, etc, etc. Today we have Boosters team, SUSE employees dedicated to start or help community activities that need attention, but they can't be everywhere and they are not. The rest of SUSE employees do their jobs that often intersect with community activities, but we can't expect them to have time for everything that has to be done. Now in 2011 we are much more on our own and what we have is exactly what we create. If it is not so good, it is exactly what we made. Pointing one or two examples that are not good, and implicitely asking someone else to fix it, is like knocking on a own home doors with expectation that someone will open it. Sometimes there is family inside, but if not you have a key and you should use it, otherwise you can wait for Mr. Godot aswell. Well, you are actually one of those that use such proverbial key, so you know that it is not that hard, it does not require a high knowledge that only few have, nor it requires much time if you don't have it. In numbers. Having 30 minutes a week to read a wiki article and update it to current status will fix 50 articles a year. Although, we have a lot more in the wiki, funny is that most of them don't need updates, as they refer to specific problem with specific software version, so when software is updated, most likely that article can be indexed as archive. So 2-3 editors that will create list of articles that need regular updates (using wiki categories, not manually created indexes) will cover all articles that need updates with some 30 minutes a week. How much time is that? This email took me more. So, if only 2-3 of the most verbose and eloquent writers on this list skip one or two emails a week, they will be able to keep whole wiki up to date at any time. Not to mention, that eloquence is: (a) sign of good mind, and (b) shows interest in writing. so they will have fun doing it. -- Regards, Rajko -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 12/21/2011 7:36 PM, Basil Chupin wrote:

On 22/12/11 00:29, Lars Müller wrote:

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On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 12:09:27AM +1100, Basil Chupin wrote: [ 8< ]

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It was indeed the video card which did not support the resolution 'vga=348' which, incidentally, was the hex number which openSUSE came up with when I installed 12.1 and it is for 1400x1050 for the card I had previously used.

I had searched the 'net for a solution to my problem but what I did read was more confusing than informative. I have now bookmarked the wiki.archlinux URL for future reference. It is a pity that oS doesn't have a similar site or one such as Launchpad for Ubuntu. It's the result of a sucking lame community. Don't be scared if you look next time into a mirror. ;)

You may have a point there, Lars.

openSUSE started of as SuSE way back in 1994.

Ubuntu first appeared only end of 2004.

Ubuntu has the Launchpad. openSUSE doesn't have anything like it. It did have, years ago, the Support Database. Where is it now?

"a sucking lame community" you say? The question then comes up: Why?

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The more polite version of the above sentence would have been: create the missing page. It's a wiki and now with the help of this thread you have the knowledge. We all count on you!

Lars

BC

I know I used to sing the praises of suse in the past. I've been criticized by overt and less overt ironic posts lately "more flies with honey" for being a complainer or unhelpful, but this is not the way I used to perceive or talk about suse. They changed. They stayed changed for years before I started actually badmouthing them. You think I'm a fickle critic? I was a SCO apologist for years after they went south, let alone all the years before that when they were actually a great company that simply had the inconsideration to charge for their very bulletproof and fully supported product. Actually really engineer supported. So finally after watching things go all sloppy for years and not get better, my attitude toward suse has changed. Let's keep the order of events and cause & effect straight. Suse doesn't suck because the community sucks at supporting it. Suse went from having a large staff with high production standards to having a fraction of that staff and the only production standards if they exist any more must be going into SLE. The flow of work now seems to be lots of volunteers do actual work on opensuse for free, but mostly only a few suse staff dictates changes and policy to all those non-staff developers. And the work into opensuse goes into SLE and then paid staff does work on SLE to clean it up and make it actually good and reliable* but that work doesn't go back in to opensuse. Maybe I'm wrong but that's what it feels like. If I'm wrong, well it's almost a great a crime simply that I was led or even allowed to form this impression. * (I have to assume this, that SLE is more polished and predictable. I don't use SLE because it's stupid today to pay money to get a less standard and thus automatically _less supported/supportable_ system. The support a few suse engineers can possibly provide can't come _close_ to the simple mass of numbers of other users of opensuse or ubuntu or fedora. Simple coverage and exposure beats out paid support no matter how good the guy you're paying is. Really just allergic to paying? See above SCO Open Server lover for years...) -- bkw -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 11:36:05AM +1100, Basil Chupin wrote: [ 8< ]

You may have a point there, Lars.

openSUSE started of as SuSE way back in 1994.

Ubuntu first appeared only end of 2004.

Ubuntu has the Launchpad. openSUSE doesn't have anything like it. It did have, years ago, the Support Database. Where is it now?

The content of the Support Database got migrated to the wiki.

"a sucking lame community" you say? The question then comes up: Why?

Some might be caused by the history of SUSE. People had not been used to contribute. Instead they had been used to buy a set of CDs/ DVD and used them to install SUSE systems. But they've not been part of the development. This changed heavily over the last six up to eight years. The ubiquitous avaialability of boradband IP network connectivity is one, maybe the main reason I believe. Also Ubuntu - the 95% (very likely even more) Debian clone with not this much development contribution to the Open Source Software community but a very well working merketing department - might be a reason. Also to my feeling many people on this list complain loudly while they requedt from others to do something. Many waste a lot of energy in never ending threads instead of reading the available documentation and to work with others on enhancing stuff and contributing. Contribution is possible ony many, many levels. On the other hand many people contribute a lot. Therefore my sentences above might sound much to much negative. Please keep in mind I've added a ";)" to the sucking lame community statement. The main goal was to motivate people to have a look into the mirror and ask themself: How much have I given back to the project? What am I able to give to the project? Thanks. Lars -- Lars Müller [ˈlaː(r)z ˈmʏlɐ] Samba Team SUSE Linux, Maxfeldstraße 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany

On 21/12/11 20:16, Sujit Karatparambil wrote:

On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 9:37 AM, Basil Chupin wrote:

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I have just replaced my monitor and the video card.

Now, suddenly, when I boot the computer I get the error message: "Undefined mode 348" and am given the option of selecting a video mode to continue the boot (and I select '31A' which gives me 1280x1024). your video card, IMO requires an extra xorgconfig to be run.

test it according to this.

Xorg -config xorg.conf.new -retro

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In menu.lst the entry for the boot video mode is 'vga=348' (and has been for years) which equates to a resolution of 1440x900.

The monitor supports this resolution of 1440x900.

Does anyone know, please, in which 12.1 oS file the video resolutions are defined so that I can check if '348' is there?

(There were some upgrades done this morning and I wonder if one of them produced this change?)

BC

Thanks Sujit for your response. As you would have read by now the problem is solved with the use of 'hwinfo --framebuffer' as I wrote in my reply to Brian. I haven't tried the Xorg -config test as yet but will do so and will add it to my list in the little black book of 'useful things to know'. BC -- There are actually three kinds of mind: one kind grasps things unaided, the second sees what another has grasped, the third grasps nothing and sees nothing. Niccolo Machiavelli -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org