On 12/11/2020 17.54, Istvan Gabor wrote:

Thu, 12 Nov 2020 11:45:11 -0500 időpontban Patrick Shanahan írta:

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* Istvan Gabor <> [11-12-20 11:37]:

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see:  https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Mailing_Lists_Migration

Thanks Patrick. It is the same site I found by google search. But my question was where in this list was the change announced.

It was not announced on this list. See Per post for the answer to your other questions. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from openSUSE 15.1 (Legolas))

On 12/11/2020 20.07, Andrei Borzenkov wrote:

12.11.2020 20:05, Carlos E. R. пишет:

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On 12/11/2020 17.54, Istvan Gabor wrote:

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Thu, 12 Nov 2020 11:45:11 -0500 időpontban Patrick Shanahan írta:

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* Istvan Gabor <> [11-12-20 11:37]:

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see:  https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Mailing_Lists_Migration

Thanks Patrick. It is the same site I found by google search. But my question was where in this list was the change announced.

It was not announced on this list.

I got e-mail to recipient address I used to subscribe to openSUSE lists which listed all lists I was subscribed to. First mail was before change (pointing to wiki page), second mail after change with changed list addresses.

Yes, me too. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.1 x86_64 at Telcontar)

Thu, 12 Nov 2020 17:56:35 +0100 időpontban Per Jessen írta:

Istvan Gabor wrote:

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Hello:

I tried to send messages to the list as before, using the address opensuse@opensuse.org.

Yes, that is still supported. This reply will also be sent to that address.

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The messages did not get to the list.

In which way did they "not get to the list"? did they bounce?

It did not show up among list messages. I sent it twice before and I got none of them in my mailbox.

Fyi, I don't see any postings from your address to opensuse@opensuse.org.

?? You mean this subject or any subject? Just a few of my previous postings: https://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse/2020-11/msg00034.html https://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse/2020-10/msg00299.html https://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse/2020-10/msg00336.html

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Could someone please point me to the message in this mailing list that announced this change?

Patrick sent the wiki link, the announcement was sent to opensuse-project on 7 November, then directly to every subscriber on 9 November and the successful completion also announced on 10 November.

Indeed I got a message that was sent directly to my mailbox. I would expect such important messages to be sent on the lists too. Then those who don't check their mailboxes regularly and follow the list on the webpage, like me, could see the info. I think this was an unprofessional move.

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Also, it seems that the list's webpage (https://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse/) is not updated anymore. Is there a new address for that too?

Maybe start here https://lists.opensuse.org/archives or https://lists.opensuse.org/archives/list/users@lists.opensuse.org/

That's just useless mess (awful). How cant I get something like the old weblist, which was very transparent and clear: https://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse/2020-10/all.html Please do not take this as a personal insult, I just very disappointed with this change. Istvan

Istvan Gabor wrote:

Thu, 12 Nov 2020 17:56:35 +0100 időpontban Per Jessen írta:

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Istvan Gabor wrote:

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Hello:

I tried to send messages to the list as before, using the address opensuse@opensuse.org.

Yes, that is still supported. This reply will also be sent to that address.

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The messages did not get to the list.

In which way did they "not get to the list"? did they bounce?

It did not show up among list messages. I sent it twice before and I got none of them in my mailbox.

None of them arrived at our mailservers. If you can check their message-ids and/or when you sent them, I can double check.

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Fyi, I don't see any postings from your address to opensuse@opensuse.org.

?? You mean this subject or any subject?

Whatever you tried to send just before you started this thread.

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Could someone please point me to the message in this mailing list that announced this change?

Patrick sent the wiki link, the announcement was sent to opensuse-project on 7 November, then directly to every subscriber on 9 November and the successful completion also announced on 10 November.

Indeed I got a message that was sent directly to my mailbox. I would expect such important messages to be sent on the lists too. Then those who don't check their mailboxes regularly and follow the list on the webpage, like me, could see the info. I think this was an unprofessional move.

We discussed it and decided it was best to inform every subscriber directly - anyone subscribed to the nomail list version would not receive a list announcement, and we had to be inclusive. We also suspected that most people would consider direct personal email more important than a list announcement that could easily be overlooked for days.

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Also, it seems that the list's webpage (https://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse/) is not updated anymore. Is there a new address for that too?

Maybe start here https://lists.opensuse.org/archives or https://lists.opensuse.org/archives/list/users@lists.opensuse.org/

That's just useless mess (awful). How cant I get something like the old weblist, which was very transparent and clear:

https://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse/2020-10/all.html

That is no longer available and won't be unless someone decides to re-create it. The list archives were never meant as an interface for reading the list, they are for reference only. Maybe you could use gmane or something like that? -- Per Jessen, Zürich (8.2°C) Member, openSUSE Heroes.

Istvan Gabor wrote:

Thu, 12 Nov 2020 21:15:33 +0100 időpontban Istvan Gabor írta:

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Maybe start here https://lists.opensuse.org/archives or https://lists.opensuse.org/archives/list/users@lists.opensuse.org/

That's just useless mess (awful). How cant I get something like the old weblist, which was very transparent and clear:

Not to mention the idea that putting pale gray text on a white background is the way to make a webpage (which affects too many websites unfortunately).

There is no doubt room for improvement, but we have fairly limited resources and we were under some time pressure too. Feel free to write to admin@o.o and describe your issues. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (8.0°C) http://www.dns24.ch/ - free dynamic DNS, made in Switzerland.