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The unsubscribe info and other information is at the bottom of every post.. :-)

I dont see the unsubscribe information in every post and I tried once to unsubscribe following the info and it didnt work. Orville. --- Joe Dufresne wrote:

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| The unsubscribe info and other information is at the bottom of every | post.. :-) |

As i said, RTFM

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On Wednesday 13 August 2003 01:17 pm, Ken Schneider wrote:

On Wed, 2003-08-13 at 13:02, orville phillips wrote:

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I dont see the unsubscribe information in every post and I tried once to unsubscribe following the info and it didnt work. Orville.

--- Joe Dufresne wrote:

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Jim Norton wrote: | The unsubscribe info and other information is at

the bottom of every

| post.. :-)

As i said, RTFM

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Would this line be part of the info you can't see? vvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvv

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Check the headers for your unsubscription address

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I can't see the forest for the trees.

One thing I've noticed about this thread and the unsubscribe issue in general is that _most_ people using computers and reading email have never seen a real header before in their lives. Outlook/Outlook express doesn't show them, the web mail servers (hotmail, yahoo) don't show them, kmail doesn't show them, evolution doesn't show them, and on and on. Most people believe that the header is the pretty little thing at the top thats lists to who, from who, the subject and thats it. Perhaps instead of giving people grief, couldn't we just tell them that the mail programs typically hide the header for ease of readability and that you can show your headers by checking some sort of option box?? It really turns people off when they go to ask a question like this and people reply "RTFM". Didn't peoples grandma's ever tell them, "If you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all" ???

On Wednesday 13 August 2003 18:53, ramprasad potluri wrote:

On Wednesday 13 August 2003 21:37, Michael Sacco wrote:

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|| it. Perhaps instead of giving people grief, couldn't we || just tell them that the mail programs typically hide the || header for ease of readability and that you can show your || headers by checking some sort of option box?? It really

Hello Michael,

I use KMail and after reading your post, I searched in "Settings --> Configure KMail" for any option that would expand my e-mail's header to display fields besides the From, To, and Date. But, I did not find any such option. Can you please tell me how I could turn on this option?

Thank you.

- Ram.

Ram - In Kmail 1.5.x, it is on View->Headers->All Headers Mark Almeida -- Powered by SuSE Linux Pro 8.2/Kmail 1.5.3

On Wednesday 13 August 2003 09:53 pm, ramprasad potluri wrote:

On Wednesday 13 August 2003 21:37, Michael Sacco wrote:

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|| it. Perhaps instead of giving people grief, couldn't we || just tell them that the mail programs typically hide the || header for ease of readability and that you can show your || headers by checking some sort of option box?? It really

Hello Michael,

I use KMail and after reading your post, I searched in "Settings --> Configure KMail" for any option that would expand my e-mail's header to display fields besides the From, To, and Date. But, I did not find any such option. Can you please tell me how I could turn on this option?

Thank you.

- Ram.

View -> Headers -> All Headers should do it for you. And I sure do agree with Mike. RTFM is extremely annoying to a frustrated user who is pulling their hair out. If the best help someone can give is RTFM than why respond at all. -- Don't use no double negatives. ---------------------------------------------------------------- SuSE 8.2 - KDE 3.1.3

* Filipe Joel Almeida (fijo.lists@netcabo.pt) [030813 10:17]:

Anyway, the address to unsubscribe from suse's lists, is the listname-unsubscribe. Foe example, suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com

I already tried it once, and it worked.

The address in the list-unsubscribe header is a custom address for every subscriber that will allow you to unsubscribe from another address (a common problem). I don't put it in the trailer since people who are sloppy about trimming their posts would reveal their actual subscription address which is otherwise hidden from other subscribers and the archives. -- -ckm

* Filipe Joel Almeida [08-13-03 12:28]:

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The address in the list-unsubscribe header is a custom address for every subscriber that will allow you to unsubscribe from another address (a common problem). I don't put it in the trailer since people who are sloppy about trimming their posts would reveal their actual subscription address which is otherwise hidden from other subscribers and the archives.

Now just for curiosity, how can I see those headers?

You can view them with your mail client. X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.2.3 -- Patrick Shanahan Registered Linux User #207535 http://wahoo.no-ip.org @ http://counter.li.org

On Thursday 14 August 2003 01:44, Christopher Mahmood wrote:

* Filipe Joel Almeida (fijo.lists@netcabo.pt) [030813 10:41]:

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Now just for curiosity, how can I see those headers?

Read the manual for your mail client.

I've tried to point out the insanity of this "read the headers to unsubscribe" thing before, but got nowhere. This comment tempts me to try again. Chris, you are now telling people that in order to get off this list, they have to read the manual to their email client, and learn about headers and how to get to see them? Do people want to do that? Do they have the time? Why is it so hard to change the tagline which so confuses newbies and the email-uninitiated to: To unsubscribe see http://www.suse.com/us/business/mailinglists.html ? --

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