There must be 100 mails a day of people asking stupid questions that can be answered by RTFM, I have no problem sifting through these and deleting them. I must expend about two calories and 20 seconds of time hitting the delete button. Why do people complain about a few postings OT? They are much more interesting than stupid questions. -----Original Message----- From: Jonathan Wilson [mailto:wilson@claborn.net] Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2001 3:33 PM To: suse-linux-e@suse.com Subject: Re: [SLE] [news]Windows XP: Too much for some PCs? Yeah please. try to keep it a little consistent - better 2 or 3 tags then none that work :-) Besides, we all know we care about M$, not about XP :-) C'mon, you can do it :-)

* Chris Geske [Jun 14. 2001 14:18]:

There must be 100 mails a day of people asking stupid questions that can be answered by RTFM, I have no problem sifting through these and deleting them. I must expend about two calories and 20 seconds of time hitting the delete button. Why do people complain about a few postings OT? They are much more interesting than stupid questions.

There exists no such thing as a stupid question. Only stupid answers. -- Mads Martin Joergensen, http://mmj.dk "Why make things difficult, when it is possible to make them cryptic and totally illogic, with just a little bit more effort." -- A. P. J.

There must be 100 mails a day of people asking stupid questions that can be answered by RTFM, I have no problem sifting through these and deleting

Here we go again, yet *another* round of Fred-bashing. This is just another one of those old chestnuts that crops up every few weeks; anti-Fredism, free beer v free speech, why doesn't my winmodem work under Linux etc. Stefan, you say you don't find Fred's topics of interest. You don't find them relevant. Do you think I care if you like Fred's postings or not ? Why are you wasting my bandwidth with this drivel ? At least Fred's posts are interesting to many of us. It helps us to keep an eye on the competition, and MS is most definitely the competition. Some of us also have to prove Linux' worth in an MS world, and many of Fred's posts help to illustrate Microsoft's shortcomings. Keep up the good work, Fred, and don't let the naysayers get you down. Stuart. -----Original Message----- From: suse-linux-e-return-61147-stuart=yorkshirepudding.com@suse.com [mailto:suse-linux-e-return-61147-stuart=yorkshirepudding.com@suse.com]O n Behalf Of Stefan Troeger Sent: Friday, June 15, 2001 1:58 AM To: suse-linux-e@suse.com Subject: Re: [SLE] [news]Windows XP: Too much for some PCs? Hi, On Thu, Jun 14 2001 at 16:26 -0500, Chris Geske wrote: them.

I must expend about two calories and 20 seconds of time hitting the delete button. Why do people complain about a few postings OT? They are much more interesting than stupid questions.

<rant> Well, most of these---how you like to call them---stupid questions are at least related to Linux (Linux---remember? That's supposed to be the topic of this list). Most of Fred's postings aren't. I don't care for the latest security hole in IIS/SQL server/insert your favourity here, I care about Linux. There are plenty of other lists/websites that report the news Fred's bombarding us with. </rant> Ciao, Stefan -- Stefan Troeger o _ _ _ stefan@troeger.st __o __o /\_ _ \\o (_)\__/o (_) _`\<, _`\<, _>(_) (_)/<_ \_| \ _|/' \/ (_)/(_) (_)/(_) (_) (_) (_) (_)' _\o_ -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/support/faq and the archives at http://lists.suse.com

Last count appears to be around 10 to 2 in favor of Fred's postings. -----Original Message----- From: Stefan Troeger [mailto:stefan@troeger.st] Sent: Friday, June 15, 2001 2:36 AM To: suse-linux-e@suse.com Subject: Re: [SLE] [news]Windows XP: Too much for some PCs? Hi, On Fri, Jun 15 2001 at 02:15 -0500, Stuart Powell wrote:

Here we go again, yet *another* round of Fred-bashing. This is just another one of those old chestnuts that crops up every few weeks; anti-Fredism, free beer v free speech, why doesn't my winmodem work under Linux etc.

Don't you think, the fact that it crops up every few weeks shows that it's important and that not everyone on this list enjoys beeing bombarded with mail totally unrelated to Linux?

Has anyone on this list used mp3blaster? I am using SuSE 7.1 and have installed mp3blaster from the SuSE installation CD. The program starts but when I play any song, it only makes funny noises that sound as though the song is being played VERY slowly. I don't find anything in the program help or man pages that give me a clue what is the problem. Any help is appreciated. Damon Register

* Damon Register [Jun 15. 2001 10:47]:

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Has anyone on this list used mp3blaster? I am using SuSE 7.1 and have installed mp3blaster from the SuSE installation CD. The program starts but when I play any song, it only makes funny noises that sound as though the song is being played VERY slowly. I don't find anything in the program help or man pages that give me a clue what is the problem. Any help is appreciated.

First you should try and see if sound is better with program like 'mpg123' and 'xmms'. xmms and mpg123 both work here. One problem with this is that xmms requires X and I am trying to find a non-graphical program. So mpg123 is non-graphical but seems to not provide any user interface as does mp3blaster. Though it appears that mpg123 can

Mads Martin Jørgensen wrote: play from a list, I can't find any option that lets me manipulate that list as does mp3blaster or any of the graphical mp3 players. If I am wrong about mpg123, and there is some sort of interface with menu options or functions keys and a playlist, please tell me how to get that. Damon Register

Robert Schense wrote:

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From: Chris Geske To: Sent: Friday, June 15, 2001 10:35 AM Subject: RE: [SLE] [news]Windows XP: Too much for some PCs?

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Last count appears to be around 10 to 2 in favor of Fred's postings.

Make that 10 to 3 . . .

Make that 10 to 4 . . . Like I've said in the past it's just spam to me..... Last time I'll say anything about it though. Regards Mark

On Friday 15 June 2001 17:45, Mark Hounschell wrote:

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Make that 10 to 4 . . .

If we're counting make it 11 to 4..... That should be 12 to 4 since my vote yesterday was not counted. I like the

At 07:32 AM 6/16/2001 +0000, Terence McCarthy wrote: post too jack

On Friday 15 June 2001 03:36 am, Stefan Troeger wrote:

Hi,

On Fri, Jun 15 2001 at 02:15 -0500, Stuart Powell wrote:

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Here we go again, yet *another* round of Fred-bashing. This is just another one of those old chestnuts that crops up every few weeks; anti-Fredism, free beer v free speech, why doesn't my winmodem work under Linux etc.

Don't you think, the fact that it crops up every few weeks shows that it's important and that not everyone on this list enjoys beeing bombarded with mail totally unrelated to Linux?

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Stefan, you say you don't find Fred's topics of interest. You don't find them relevant. Do you think I care if you like Fred's postings or not ? Why are you wasting my bandwidth with this drivel ? At least Fred's posts are interesting to many of us. It helps us to keep an eye on the competition, and MS is most definitely the competition. Some of us also have to prove Linux' worth in an MS world, and many of Fred's posts help to illustrate Microsoft's shortcomings.

As I said before, there are plenty of other sources for this kind of information. Why post it here?

Ciao, Stefan

Don't you have better things to do than complain about something that can be solved very quickly with a filter? It's like looking at a bookshelf, where not every book is what you want to read. If you don't want to read the book, don't take it off the shelf. That simple. Have a great day, Steven

Me too. Fred's stuff is carefully selected to give us useful news about running Linux on the net today - I find his posts a real benefit of subscribing. Best to all Fergus

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Keep up the good work, Fred, and don't let the naysayers get you down.

I'd like to add my vote of support to the above.

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Keep up the good work, Fred

~ Thank you Fred . . . appreciated :) -- best wishes --- ____________ sent on Linux ____________

<rant> Well, most of these---how you like to call them---stupid questions are at least related to Linux (Linux---remember? That's supposed to be the topic of this list). Most of Fred's postings aren't. I don't care for the latest security hole in IIS/SQL server/insert your favourity here, I care about Linux. There are plenty of other lists/websites that report the news Fred's bombarding us with. </rant>

With all respect Stefan, I know you've been on this list a LONG time, and I could see how receiving mails re M$ would be annoying to someone who *only* used Linux. But.... I suggest the bigger picture is many people (like myself) use *both* M$ and Linux and the benifit of being informed outweighs the few messages that occur. I feel The M$ posts in a purist thought are unwelcomed,(they certiannly would be a few years ago) but I strongly feel this gives those interested in Linux some ammunition of why to go further with LInux and they also expose many warts of M$. We cant ignore the largest, most popular OS in the world and still say we as a community are informed. I hope you remain tolerant/ open minded on the matter ;-) sincerely rob

Here here, Those that answer posts to questions shouldn't just post RTFM as an answer (it's really crass in my opinion). I don't know how many times I have scoured the SuSE site (sdb, http, and ftp) and not found what I was looking for. When I asked about it the answers did indeed point me in the right direction and the direction I was pointed would have not occurred to look at unless someone told me where to go. Linux is not in a vacuum. What is going on in the real world of computers is not all Linux, or M$, or Unix, or Solaris, or etc... With all the "guru's" that reside on this list the ability to filter an email header would seem to me to be childs play for most on the list. Mr. Millers post are an effort to instill some real world information in a medium that is often wrought with subtle and coersive marketing tactics. If you don't like what Fred posts, don't read it - you know - kinda like the TV or Radio - two nobs: 1) changes channel , 2) other turns device off or -> filter = deny = [news] = don't ever have to see it. Right? Cheers, Curtis Rey On Friday 15 June 2001 04:06 pm, Diane wrote:

First of all if someone doesn't know the answer to a question or hasn't been able to find it then its not a stupid question. Remember even if you do know an answer to your question should be on the suse site doesn't mean you will find it, some times people have to be pointed in a different direction or they over look something. We have all asked "stupid" questions. Second of all if you don't like what someone else has to say then delete it or filter it. Third, operating systems don't exist in a vacuum. Linux is affected by windows and MS and they are affected by Linux. Posting news about Linux and MS has helped a lot of people on this stay excited about Linux and as a result become much more supportive and responsive to helping others on this list with their Linux questions and problems.

Diane

----- Original Message ----- From: "dizzy" Cc: Sent: Friday, June 15, 2001 7:37 AM Subject: Re: [SLE] [news]Windows XP: Too much for some PCs?

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<rant> Well, most of these---how you like to call them---stupid questions are at least related to Linux (Linux---remember? That's supposed to be the topic of this list). Most of Fred's postings aren't. I don't care for the latest security hole in IIS/SQL server/insert your favourity here, I care about Linux. There are plenty of other lists/websites that report the news Fred's bombarding us with. </rant>

With all respect Stefan, I know you've been on this list a LONG time, and I could see how receiving mails re M$ would be annoying to someone who *only* used Linux. But.... I suggest the bigger picture is many people (like myself) use *both* M$ and Linux and the benifit of being informed outweighs the few messages that occur. I feel The M$ posts in a purist thought are unwelcomed,(they certiannly would be a few years ago) but I strongly feel this gives those interested in Linux some ammunition of why to go further with LInux and they also expose many warts of M$.

We cant ignore the largest, most popular OS in the world and still say we as a community are informed.

I hope you remain tolerant/ open minded on the matter ;-)

sincerely

rob

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Hi, On Sat, Jun 16 2001 at 18:43 -0500, Curtis Rey wrote:

Linux is not in a vacuum. What is going on in the real world of computers is not all Linux, or M$, or Unix, or Solaris, or etc... With all the "guru's" that reside on this list the ability to filter an email header would seem to me to be childs play for most on the list. Mr. Millers post are an effort to instill some real world information in a medium that is often wrought with subtle and coersive marketing tactics. If you don't like what Fred posts, don't read it - you know - kinda like the TV or Radio - two nobs: 1) changes channel , 2) other turns device off or -> filter = deny = [news] = don't ever have to see it. Right?

It's just kind of annoying to listen to the Linux channel and constantly beeing informed about security holes in software that doesn't even run on Linux :-( But I don't want to start a flame war so I'll just do as some of you suggested---use a filter---so we can put this thread to rest. Ciao, Stefan -- Stefan Troeger o _ _ _ stefan@troeger.st __o __o /\_ _ \\o (_)\__/o (_) _`\<, _`\<, _>(_) (_)/<_ \_| \ _|/' \/ (_)/(_) (_)/(_) (_) (_) (_) (_)' _\o_