[opensuse] Using Yast with QT GUI
Hi list, Wonder if are there any hopes to have back the QT Yast GUI working in current and next openSUSE releases, as it was before. In my humble opinion the actual Yast GUI (which if I'm not wrong is gtk based) looks uglier in comparison to QT version. Thanks. Regards, -- Marco Calistri (amdturion) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Le 13/05/2014 17:08, Marco Calistri a écrit :
Hi list,
Wonder if are there any hopes to have back the QT Yast GUI working in current and next openSUSE releases, as it was before.
In my humble opinion the actual Yast GUI (which if I'm not wrong is gtk based) looks uglier in comparison to QT version.
what makes you think than "yast2 --qt" do not work (if installed)? works for me jdd -- http://www.dodin.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On Tue, May 13, 2014 at 5:15 PM, jdd <jdd@dodin.org> wrote:
Le 13/05/2014 17:08, Marco Calistri a écrit :
Hi list,
Wonder if are there any hopes to have back the QT Yast GUI working in current and next openSUSE releases, as it was before.
In my humble opinion the actual Yast GUI (which if I'm not wrong is gtk based) looks uglier in comparison to QT version.
what makes you think than "yast2 --qt" do not work (if installed)?
works for me
Don't you get YaST QT by default when you install KDE... and YaST GTK when you install Gnome (or other GTK based WMs)? C -- openSUSE 13.1 x86_64, KDE 4.13 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Le 13/05/2014 17:25, C a écrit :
Don't you get YaST QT by default when you install KDE... and YaST GTK when you install Gnome (or other GTK based WMs)?
in my case, I even install yast qt on servers (to use through ssh -X), for some setups, there are much more options than ncurse jdd -- http://www.dodin.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Il 13/05/2014 12:32, jdd ha scritto:
Le 13/05/2014 17:25, C a écrit :
Don't you get YaST QT by default when you install KDE... and YaST GTK when you install Gnome (or other GTK based WMs)?
in my case, I even install yast qt on servers (to use through ssh -X), for some setups, there are much more options than ncurse
jdd
On my 13.1 64bit there is a Ruby issue if I try to start the Yast QT GUI and no interface starts. I'm obliged to use the GTK version and note that I have installed both Gnome and KDE DE than all libs should be on place! Regards, -- Marco Calistri (amdturion) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Le 13/05/2014 17:48, Marco Calistri a écrit :
I'm obliged to use the GTK version and note that I have installed both Gnome and KDE DE than all libs should be on place!
I only install xfce basics, and of course yast qt dependencies and all works jdd -- http://www.dodin.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Il 13/05/2014 15:29, jdd ha scritto:
Le 13/05/2014 17:48, Marco Calistri a écrit :
I'm obliged to use the GTK version and note that I have installed both Gnome and KDE DE than all libs should be on place!
I only install xfce basics, and of course yast qt dependencies and all works
jdd
I will try your method to start Yast QT GUI since until now I was testing it within Yast system configuration: Want-Shell, GUI menu. Regards, -- Marco Calistri (amdturion) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Le 13/05/2014 20:50, Marco Calistri a écrit :
I will try your method to start Yast QT GUI since until now I was testing it within Yast system configuration: Want-Shell, GUI menu.
I usually ssh -X blabla yast2 and all works jdd -- http://www.dodin.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 On 2014-05-13 17:48, Marco Calistri wrote:
On my 13.1 64bit there is a Ruby issue if I try to start the Yast QT GUI and no interface starts.
Then you have to ask people here to help you solve _your_ issue with ruby. - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" (Minas Tirith)) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iF4EAREIAAYFAlNyamMACgkQja8UbcUWM1wDSQD6A+9twFX197WBjCpHufo07o/o UWXrbp8s8wf0kiTF51IA/RScWJQ3SEcWjunq76Ytzck3PZfCy+zwMIwMV73rVU7p =4/qv -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Il 13/05/2014 15:54, Carlos E. R. ha scritto:
On 2014-05-13 17:48, Marco Calistri wrote:
On my 13.1 64bit there is a Ruby issue if I try to start the Yast QT GUI and no interface starts.
Then you have to ask people here to help you solve _your_ issue with ruby.
Ruby is an old story, I remember it has been mentioned during 13.1 presentation and looks like no more efforts would be granted to this development along with the Yast GUI. Is your Yast GUI using GTK or QT? Cheers, - -- Marco Calistri (amdturion) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iEYEARECAAYFAlNybaEACgkQi4zJuA3lyFd6xQCeOlbJjM+bwEqu6vSxaC2+cCQ1 bR4An0w78ATq/o4rBR+pQcVleG8Gihd9 =b08r -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Il 13/05/2014 16:08, Marco Calistri ha scritto:
Il 13/05/2014 15:54, Carlos E. R. ha scritto:
On 2014-05-13 17:48, Marco Calistri wrote:
On my 13.1 64bit there is a Ruby issue if I try to start the Yast QT GUI and no interface starts.
Then you have to ask people here to help you solve _your_ issue with ruby.
Ruby is an old story, I remember it has been mentioned during 13.1 presentation and looks like no more efforts would be granted to this development along with the Yast GUI.
Is your Yast GUI using GTK or QT?
Cheers,
Read the following article then comment it please: https://news.opensuse.org/2013/10/10/coming-soon-opensuse-13-1-with-yast-in-... - -- Marco Calistri (amdturion) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iEYEARECAAYFAlNyglwACgkQi4zJuA3lyFencACePx9FIkLMzQCJXL5iRUcEBH74 LJkAnim3di5fQCCGbN69cWEcpz7cLcpM =tGbX -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 On 2014-05-13 22:36, Marco Calistri wrote:
Read the following article then comment it please:
https://news.opensuse.org/2013/10/10/coming-soon-opensuse-13-1-with-yast-in-...
What
about exactly? - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" (Minas Tirith)) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iF4EAREIAAYFAlNyhwUACgkQja8UbcUWM1z7eAEAm8y6AZ4KXJvIw5mmYRjKZvJn ixRAioO0SpaauESeMrsA/1ZYg3ClXQVRme8mv2weBdlujrFbTnlbnqLoNMWf1FYE =lgCE -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Il 13/05/2014 17:56, Carlos E. R. ha scritto:
On 2014-05-13 22:36, Marco Calistri wrote:
Read the following article then comment it please:
https://news.opensuse.org/2013/10/10/coming-soon-opensuse-13-1-with-yast-in-...
What
about exactly?
That seems no further developments went on Ruby-Yast and it looks like being the cause of my issue. Cheers, - -- Marco Calistri (amdturion) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iEYEARECAAYFAlNyio0ACgkQi4zJuA3lyFcilwCgkZxqZtu+fb7B5MbykUAt/O1R NOYAoIILXKq80HjLIFAocSQi9M6kX9Sl =PVmv -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 On 2014-05-13 23:11, Marco Calistri wrote:
Il 13/05/2014 17:56, Carlos E. R. ha scritto:
On 2014-05-13 22:36, Marco Calistri wrote:
about exactly?
That seems no further developments went on Ruby-Yast and it looks like being the cause of my issue.
Nay. Yast is using Ruby and will be using it for the foreseeable future. The process to translate YaST from YCP to Ruby finished successfully, so the project the article talks about ended. - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" (Minas Tirith)) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iF4EAREIAAYFAlNyjbIACgkQja8UbcUWM1wPWgD/f6WkJrZjKvRtwEnpPQaa7Z7j 9IxdupM9rhFsBDvNA9EA/AgVg5Cv/H8r2jfX1NWRoX4XBBAxPVGovRVAB8rdk6kv =Qa7H -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 El 2014-05-13 a las 16:08 -0300, Marco Calistri escribió:
Il 13/05/2014 15:54, Carlos E. R. ha scritto:
Then you have to ask people here to help you solve _your_ issue with ruby.
Ruby is an old story, I remember it has been mentioned during 13.1 presentation and looks like no more efforts would be granted to this development along with the Yast GUI.
YaST in 13.1 runs on Ruby, that's the present and the future of Ruby.
Is your Yast GUI using GTK or QT?
Both. no problem with either. - -- Cheers Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" (Minas Tirith)) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iF4EAREIAAYFAlNyhwsACgkQja8UbcUWM1y9hAD/bWoj2rwVZzRZrwLYxHgWBLsA OPS2w4g6dG5nmERkKcEA/0FJ3CALUgM9Tjck4/ou4fOmlkQ5M4seF/22EkkHwxNS =UkVk -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Il 13/05/2014 17:56, Carlos E. R. ha scritto:
El 2014-05-13 a las 16:08 -0300, Marco Calistri escribió:
Il 13/05/2014 15:54, Carlos E. R. ha scritto:
Then you have to ask people here to help you solve _your_ issue with ruby.
Ruby is an old story, I remember it has been mentioned during 13.1 presentation and looks like no more efforts would be granted to this development along with the Yast GUI.
YaST in 13.1 runs on Ruby, that's the present and the future of Ruby.
Is your Yast GUI using GTK or QT?
Both. no problem with either.
-- Cheers Carlos E. R.
(from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" (Minas Tirith))
So probably it is a local issue I have to resolve on my installation... Cheers, - -- Marco Calistri (amdturion) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iEYEARECAAYFAlNyjY0ACgkQi4zJuA3lyFfY0wCfU4P/9vJ6jBoe7IiN960zAC3h seAAnRUSid3DQPzAQVw8WhIsSHjOvZGK =BeIg -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 On 2014-05-13 23:24, Marco Calistri wrote:
Il 13/05/2014 17:56, Carlos E. R. ha scritto:
So probably it is a local issue I have to resolve on my installation...
YES!! Now start to post here the symptoms. :-) - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" (Minas Tirith)) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iF4EAREIAAYFAlNyjfAACgkQja8UbcUWM1w6kQEAjWRE1kMonoAUn9ThDXphCht0 f3U0u9bk1UK5x3L+W4YA/1naDKyLlAIK76PBA+LsVPYhXgLlme9lUaK9UgClAMs2 =hknH -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
jdd wrote:
Le 13/05/2014 17:25, C a écrit :
Don't you get YaST QT by default when you install KDE... and YaST GTK when you install Gnome (or other GTK based WMs)?
in my case, I even install yast qt on servers (to use through ssh -X), for some setups, there are much more options than ncurse
Really? That certainly should not be the case - I mean, the code is ahared. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (8.1°C) http://www.hostsuisse.com/ - virtual servers, made in Switzerland. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Le 14/05/2014 08:28, Per Jessen a écrit :
Really? That certainly should not be the case - I mean, the code is ahared.
"shared", I gue"'ss no it's not, not for the interface. qt, gtk and ncurse are pretty different, for example yast/software jdd -- http://www.dodin.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
jdd wrote:
Le 14/05/2014 08:28, Per Jessen a écrit :
Really? That certainly should not be the case - I mean, the code is ahared.
"shared", I gue"'ss
Yeah :-)
no it's not, not for the interface. qt, gtk and ncurse are pretty different, for example yast/software
I know the interface is different, obviously, but the options/features _should_ be the same. I use mostly the ncurses interface, I don't often have reason to use the GUI. With yast/software, can you mention an example of a missing option/feature? -- Per Jessen, Zürich (7.6°C) http://www.dns24.ch/ - your free DNS host, made in Switzerland. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Le 14/05/2014 09:38, Per Jessen a écrit :
I know the interface is different, obviously, but the options/features _should_ be the same. I use mostly the ncurses interface, I don't often have reason to use the GUI. With yast/software, can you mention an example of a missing option/feature?
I couldn't find the automatic update config. I qt version it's in config even before installing the module and it installs on the go if asked for. http://dodin.info/wiki/index.php?n=Doc.SmallServerBasics#toc10 may be it was elsewhere (after installing the menu it's there, in the config menu) it's not the first time I notice some differences, but I don't write them. should be good to have yast ncurse accept the mouse like mc does :-) jdd -- http://www.dodin.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
jdd wrote:
Le 14/05/2014 09:38, Per Jessen a écrit :
I know the interface is different, obviously, but the options/features _should_ be the same. I use mostly the ncurses interface, I don't often have reason to use the GUI. With yast/software, can you mention an example of a missing option/feature?
I couldn't find the automatic update config. I qt version it's in config even before installing the module and it installs on the go if asked for.
http://dodin.info/wiki/index.php?n=Doc.SmallServerBasics#toc10
Looking at a newish 13.1 system, I have "Software->Online Update", no need to install anything extra.
may be it was elsewhere (after installing the menu it's there, in the config menu) it's not the first time I notice some differences, but I don't write them.
I think you ought to write bugreports for any such cases you find.
should be good to have yast ncurse accept the mouse like mc does :-)
Isn't that only a question of installing the console mouse driver - gpm or something? -- Per Jessen, Zürich (8.0°C) http://www.dns24.ch/ - your free DNS host, made in Switzerland. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 On 2014-05-14 10:37, Per Jessen wrote:
jdd wrote:
should be good to have yast ncurse accept the mouse like mc does :-)
Isn't that only a question of installing the console mouse driver - gpm or something?
Nope. I have it. - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" (Minas Tirith)) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iF4EAREIAAYFAlNzQT4ACgkQja8UbcUWM1zE0AD/csg3SazZlG6hI1f9uim+qsXw jroPPziOOjsQ0LJ6+isA/1SdCZfO8/tVInxqu8ITBR/942hC4B6MkQC040nIJj+6 =yIin -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Le 14/05/2014 10:37, Per Jessen a écrit :
Looking at a newish 13.1 system, I have "Software->Online Update", no need to install anything extra.
not the same module - I speak about automatic update (for security patches). http://dodin.info/wiki/index.php?n=Doc.SmallServerBasics#toc10
I think you ought to write bugreports for any such cases you find.
this need time to follow. I do from time to time (with mixed result)
should be good to have yast ncurse accept the mouse like mc does :-)
Isn't that only a question of installing the console mouse driver - gpm or something?
no, I never use gpm jdd -- http://www.dodin.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 On 2014-05-14 13:00, jdd wrote: Mouse support in console needs gpm. Mouse support in an xterm does not. - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" (Minas Tirith)) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iF4EAREIAAYFAlNzT6QACgkQja8UbcUWM1x29QD/TDyO/aVACSfVX4MS+8dum8ol iaTA9Q6MTJUA4SAGTn4A/11/e9TWHLbzG/Kn0Kt9uIrwnwbc1529Kdkq4je2zsNF =PWGK -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
jdd wrote:
Le 14/05/2014 10:37, Per Jessen a écrit :
Looking at a newish 13.1 system, I have "Software->Online Update", no need to install anything extra.
not the same module - I speak about automatic update (for security patches).
http://dodin.info/wiki/index.php?n=Doc.SmallServerBasics#toc10
Well, when I tried with the qt version, this was the result: http://files.jessen.ch/yast2-online-update-config.jpeg -- Per Jessen, Zürich (8.6°C) http://www.hostsuisse.com/ - virtual servers, made in Switzerland. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 On 2014-05-14 13:23, Per Jessen wrote:
jdd wrote:
Well, when I tried with the qt version, this was the result:
Yes, you have to install that. - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" (Minas Tirith)) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iF4EAREIAAYFAlNzU+IACgkQja8UbcUWM1yKLgEAmOZ9icNNNRPGia9LnZ/YFn34 yZPTmpY8jEavmYVRfCAA/10bq1r0MHpvhyYCgSrQLhuaTdHWtDSMdcadltqTXnqX =I+gD -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Carlos E. R. wrote:
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On 2014-05-14 13:23, Per Jessen wrote:
jdd wrote:
Well, when I tried with the qt version, this was the result:
Yes, you have to install that.
Yes, but jdd says differently in his wiki (that he referred to). -- Per Jessen, Zürich (9.2°C) http://www.dns24.ch/ - your free DNS host, made in Switzerland. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 On 2014-05-14 13:42, Per Jessen wrote:
Carlos E. R. wrote:
Yes, you have to install that.
Yes, but jdd says differently in his wiki (that he referred to).
No, he says that you need to install "yast2-online-update-configuration". After you install and run that module, you can tell YaST to download and install automatically and periodically the updates. I don't like nor trust nor use the feature, but I know about it :-) - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" (Minas Tirith)) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iF4EAREIAAYFAlNzWtMACgkQja8UbcUWM1xhOgD+JERx1uuZEWh7cIgYMLh99GEB 9cR8xmxyqrtweQRuOl0BAITWUydBMT5J1+idGJO/cTlTmKN4sJU6VDn7O/rDzFNO =jz5d -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Le 14/05/2014 14:00, Carlos E. R. a écrit :
I don't like nor trust nor use the feature, but I know about it :-)
I use it only for security feature. I manage several servers (five, at this moment) and do not do that for money, so I can't log in every day :-). This feature is handy for that jdd -- http://www.dodin.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 On 2014-05-14 14:13, jdd wrote:
Le 14/05/2014 14:00, Carlos E. R. a écrit :
I don't like nor trust nor use the feature, but I know about it :-)
I use it only for security feature. I manage several servers (five, at this moment) and do not do that for money, so I can't log in every day :-).
This feature is handy for that
Yes, I understand that. But sometimes the updates happen at an inconvenient time. They may cause crashes; a reboot may needed, or at least, a restart of several applications and services, which are not always restarted automatically (and until you do, the machine remains vulnerable). And sometimes the machine fails to reboot successfully. Some updates break things. - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" (Minas Tirith)) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iF4EAREIAAYFAlNzc9oACgkQja8UbcUWM1wvfwD/W5uwuB8ZDUN0dtlZpSY6c95J /ifUgFk7Bufv/JeE7rkBAJTINNdmrX02L3n7TgndxU1vlOEbrt/2tklFMtO9qupY =Y4Kz -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Le 14/05/2014 15:47, Carlos E. R. a écrit :
And sometimes the machine fails to reboot successfully. Some updates break things.
I know, but then I receive a mail and it's pretty rare jdd -- http://www.dodin.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Carlos E. R. wrote:
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On 2014-05-14 13:42, Per Jessen wrote:
Carlos E. R. wrote:
Yes, you have to install that.
Yes, but jdd says differently in his wiki (that he referred to).
No, he says that you need to install "yast2-online-update-configuration".
That's what my message says too, but jdd writes that it's automatically installed for the qt interface, but you need to install it manually for ncurses. Or I am misreading that? "The module name (13.1) is "yast2-online-update-configuration". It's available from software management/config, but only in qt version (not ncurse) with install on the go. With ncurse (xterm) version, install it yourself." AFAICT, one needs to install it manually regardless of which version. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (9.1°C) http://www.hostsuisse.com/ - dedicated server rental in Switzerland. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Le 14/05/2014 14:16, Per Jessen a écrit :
ncurse) with install on the go.
no for me '"install on the go" mean that yast ask you to install and if you answer yes do it for you. True for qt, this option do not existe (AFAIK) in ncurse, where one have to go to software, select manually the module and install it. This is not obvious because the module name is confusing jdd -- http://www.dodin.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
jdd wrote:
Le 14/05/2014 14:16, Per Jessen a écrit :
ncurse) with install on the go.
no
for me '"install on the go" mean that yast ask you to install and if you answer yes do it for you. True for qt, this option do not existe (AFAIK) in ncurse, where one have to go to software, select manually the module and install it.
Aha, now I see what you mean. Still seems like a bug to me, but I can understand if you can't be bothered to report it. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (10.4°C) http://www.dns24.ch/ - free dynamic DNS, made in Switzerland. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 On 2014-05-14 09:38, Per Jessen wrote:
jdd wrote:
no it's not, not for the interface. qt, gtk and ncurse are pretty different, for example yast/software
I know the interface is different, obviously, but the options/features _should_ be the same. I use mostly the ncurses interface, I don't often have reason to use the GUI. With yast/software, can you mention an example of a missing option/feature?
No, they are not. Specially on the software module, which has different features and behavior in QT or GTK modules. The ncurses one is similar to the old qt interface of yesteryear. Just fire up the yast software module in QT mode, make a photo, close it, then fire up the ncurses interface. The entire top level line of menus is missing. In the second line, for "view", there is no "view by repository", for instance, to mention one that I use a lot. Here it is labeled "Filter". If you activate that view, then the secondary filter feature is missing, so you can not search for a particular package in the active repo. I then used the option (with packman selected) to update all listed to newer version (in Actions menu). After long thinking, I did not see what it wanted to update. There is no menu entry I can see to display what will YaST actually do when you "accept" - the "installation summary" view in the QT flavour. Some features are there, but on a different place and functionality, like the equivalent to the version tab in QT. Here it is under the view menu. By the way: there is an update to YaST today, something about using the system Ruby when rvm is installed - or something similar, and I don't remember how to get the information about installed security patches as offered by YOU. This might be the OP issue. - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" (Minas Tirith)) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iF4EAREIAAYFAlNzR4EACgkQja8UbcUWM1xdlgD+ODUFxUF+RbKBS/d2Gppt0zkN 6kNj0enDC5z/AXxo+CIA/jdkHWMAVPlNP3/XuL41xzH7XQ7m6ncTGhZ5a9BolRJw =BSFP -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
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On 2014-05-14 09:38, Per Jessen wrote:
jdd wrote:
no it's not, not for the interface. qt, gtk and ncurse are pretty different, for example yast/software
I know the interface is different, obviously, but the options/features _should_ be the same. I use mostly the ncurses interface, I don't often have reason to use the GUI. With yast/software, can you mention an example of a missing option/feature?
No, they are not.
Specially on the software module, which has different features and behavior in QT or GTK modules. The ncurses one is similar to the old qt interface of yesteryear.
Just fire up the yast software module in QT mode, make a photo, close it, then fire up the ncurses interface.
The entire top level line of menus is missing. In the second line, for "view", there is no "view by repository", for instance, to mention one that I use a lot. Here it is labeled "Filter". If you activate that view, then the secondary filter feature is missing, so you can not search for a particular package in the active repo.
Hmm, okay - I really thought the different interfaces provided exactly the same functionality. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (9.3°C) http://www.hostsuisse.com/ - dedicated server rental in Switzerland. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Il 13/05/2014 12:15, jdd ha scritto:
Le 13/05/2014 17:08, Marco Calistri a écrit :
Hi list,
Wonder if are there any hopes to have back the QT Yast GUI working in current and next openSUSE releases, as it was before.
In my humble opinion the actual Yast GUI (which if I'm not wrong is gtk based) looks uglier in comparison to QT version.
what makes you think than "yast2 --qt" do not work (if installed)?
works for me
jdd
Your command starts the ncurses version of Yast interface. Look the error I get by setting Yast WANTED_GUI: https://flic.kr/p/nDz2qn Hope now it being more clear! Cheers, -- Marco Calistri opensuse 13.1 (Bottle) 64 bit - Kernel 3.11.10-7-default Gnome 3.10.1 Intel® Core™ i5-2410M CPU @ 2.30GHz × 4 - Intel® Sandybridge Mobile -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Il 14/05/2014 22:27, Marco Calistri ha scritto:
Il 13/05/2014 12:15, jdd ha scritto:
Le 13/05/2014 17:08, Marco Calistri a écrit :
Hi list,
Wonder if are there any hopes to have back the QT Yast GUI working in current and next openSUSE releases, as it was before.
In my humble opinion the actual Yast GUI (which if I'm not wrong is gtk based) looks uglier in comparison to QT version.
what makes you think than "yast2 --qt" do not work (if installed)?
works for me
jdd
Your command starts the ncurses version of Yast interface.
Look the error I get by setting Yast WANTED_GUI:
Hope now it being more clear!
Cheers,
Ok I resolved now it was missing a the following qt lib: zypper in yast2-qt-pkg Lettura dei dati del repository in corso... Lettura dei pacchetti installati in corso... 'yast2-qt-pkg' non è stato trovato nei nomi dei pacchetti. Si prova per capacità. Risoluzione delle dipendenze dei pacchetti in corso… Il seguente NUOVO pacchetto verrà installato: _libyui-qt-pkg5_ Now WANTED_GUI=qt is working as it was supposed! Strange that I never received dependencies warning when installed yast2-qt pkg. End of transmission... Cheers, -- Marco Calistri opensuse 13.1 (Bottle) 64 bit - Kernel 3.11.10-7-default Gnome 3.10.1 Intel® Core™ i5-2410M CPU @ 2.30GHz × 4 - Intel® Sandybridge Mobile -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
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