hello i was troubled with Novells decision to back away from reiserfs and divert to ext3 in the future. will this happen as well in the OpenSuSE version? if so, i am not keen on ext3 as i have had some ill experience withit loosing data. my question is, are there people here who have some experience with XFS? what are you experiences like? do you recommended it? what are the pros? what are the cons? I have a system that i want to install for a longer term as a server so i am not planning on reinstalling it in the near future after deployment. hopefully not for several years :) (updates would be performed :) ) so if you have any recommendetions on experiences and best practices regarding filesystems in general and XFS in particular as im considering it as a prime candidate instead of ext3 do let me know. -- Regards -RP- ___________________________ If computers were made in heaven, would they be perfect? ___________________________
On Thu, Oct 19, 2006 at 10:43:14PM +0300, RutePoint wrote:
hello
i was troubled with Novells decision to back away from reiserfs and divert to ext3 in the future. will this happen as well in the OpenSuSE version? if so, i am not keen on ext3 as i have had some ill experience withit loosing data. my question is, are there people here who have some experience with XFS?
what are you experiences like? do you recommended it? what are the pros? what are the cons?
I have a system that i want to install for a longer term as a server so i am
not planning on reinstalling it in the near future after deployment. hopefully not for several years :) (updates would be performed :) ) so if you have any recommendetions on experiences and best practices regarding filesystems in general and XFS in particular as im considering it as a prime candidate instead of ext3 do let me know.
reiserfs will continue to work. We won't just disable it ;) So you can feel free to stay with it ;) Ciao, Marcus --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
greetz
as we all know, reiserfs and ext3 both are still incomplete.
ive read a nice article on xfs on wikipedia and based on it,
xfs seems to be very good especially if there will be large
files on the system hence for example cd images or xen
virtual disk files, etc.
regards
-RP-
On 10/19/06, Marcus Meissner
hello
i was troubled with Novells decision to back away from reiserfs and
On Thu, Oct 19, 2006 at 10:43:14PM +0300, RutePoint wrote: divert
to ext3 in the future. will this happen as well in the OpenSuSE version? if so, i am not keen on ext3 as i have had some ill experience withit loosing data. my question is, are there people here who have some experience with XFS?
what are you experiences like? do you recommended it? what are the pros? what are the cons?
I have a system that i want to install for a longer term as a server so i am
not planning on reinstalling it in the near future after deployment. hopefully not for several years :) (updates would be performed :) ) so if you have any recommendetions on experiences and best practices regarding filesystems in general and XFS in particular as im considering it as a prime candidate instead of ext3 do let me know.
reiserfs will continue to work. We won't just disable it ;)
So you can feel free to stay with it ;)
Ciao, Marcus
-- Regards -RP- ___________________________ If computers were made in heaven, would they be perfect? ___________________________
RutePoint wrote:
greetz
as we all know, reiserfs and ext3 both are still incomplete. ive read a nice article on xfs on wikipedia and based on it, xfs seems to be very good especially if there will be large files on the system hence for example cd images or xen virtual disk files, etc.
You could also try JFS - we only use JFS. /Per Jessen, Zürich -- http://www.spamchek.com/ - managed email security. Starting at SFr5/month/user. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
what are you experiences like?
do you recommended it?
Yes.
what are the pros?
Seems to be more cache-aggressive (although #linuxfs people deny that), hence is faster on some operations (such as re-stat) Quota is counted from mount time on (this is not the case with any other filesystem out there). (No other Linux distribution has XFS support as good as SUSEs -- FC may but I have not tested FC on an x86 actually, which is a different problem)
what are the cons?
Don't know right now. Can't shrink filesystems, but I suppose reiser3 is the only one to do that. However, growing/shrinking is only for those who fail to partition their disk properly.
I have a system that i want to install for a longer term as a server so i am
not planning on reinstalling it in the near future after deployment. hopefully not for several years :) (updates would be performed :) ) so if you have any recommendetions on experiences and best practices regarding filesystems in general and XFS in particular as im considering it as a prime candidate instead of ext3 do let me know. -- Regards -RP- ___________________________
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RutePoint
hello
i was troubled with Novells decision to back away from reiserfs and divert to ext3 in the future.
We're not backing away. We change the default. If you file a bug against either of ReiserFS or ext3, it will be loooked at with equal priority.
will this happen as well in the OpenSuSE version?
With 10.2 we changed teh default.
if so, i am not keen on ext3 as i have had some ill experience withit loosing data.
You can easily change the file system in YaST during installation.
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On Thursday 19 October 2006 14:43, RutePoint wrote:
my question is, are there people here who have some experience with XFS?
I've been using it for several years, both at home and on the servers at work. Never had a problem. -- Glenn Holmer (Q-Link: ShadowM) http://www.lyonlabs.org/commodore/c64.html --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Glenn Holmer skrev: | On Thursday 19 October 2006 14:43, RutePoint wrote: |> my question is, are there people here who have some experience with |> XFS? | | I've been using it for several years, both at home and on the servers at | work. Never had a problem. | I have heard that it is more prone to fault/corruption if you yank the powercord or experience any form of unexpected poweroutage... - -- Regards Kenneth Aar -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFFQhUDMrkZx1uu3OwRAmOvAJ43PzaHP8vn2uWzFEPH3cGn7QeIoACg5QYF 6AGQUO+XoAks6rD4DuNFDCQ= =M2ZE -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Fri, Oct 27, 2006 at 04:17:40PM +0200 Kenneth Aar, Grafikern.no wrote:
Glenn Holmer skrev: | On Thursday 19 October 2006 14:43, RutePoint wrote: | > my question is, are there people here who have some | > experience with XFS? | | I've been using it for several years, both at home and on the | servers at| work. Never had a problem. |
I have heard that it is more prone to fault/corruption if you yank the powercord or experience any form of unexpected poweroutage...
* "heard" from whom?
* "more" than what?
Well, every filesystem will have to recover after "yank the
powercord or experience any form of unexpected poweroutage".
But compared to other FSs "xfs" is like heaven, xfs_repair
works pretty reliable, especially after "forced crashes".
so short
MgE
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| > my question is, are there people here who have some | > experience with XFS? | | I've been using it for several years, both at home and on the | servers at| work. Never had a problem.
I have heard that it is more prone to fault/corruption if you yank the powercord or experience any form of unexpected poweroutage...
* "heard" from whom? * "more" than what?
Well, every filesystem will have to recover after "yank the powercord or experience any form of unexpected poweroutage".
But compared to other FSs "xfs" is like heaven, xfs_repair works pretty reliable, especially after "forced crashes".
Added xfs list for great justice: Yeah but I would be more happy if it did not zero out files (perhaps adding a new mount option?) but leave them as-is. I am more concerned about text files keeping their shape as far as possible rather than running into a corrupt binary configuration file. -`J' -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Just ignore it, let me read the faq again and ask the helpful guys in #linuxfs... :p
Added xfs list for great justice:
Yeah but I would be more happy if it did not zero out files (perhaps adding a new mount option?) but leave them as-is. I am more concerned about text files keeping their shape as far as possible rather than running into a corrupt binary configuration file.
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On Friday 27 October 2006 18:41, Jan Engelhardt wrote:
Added xfs list for great justice:
Please don't. Cross posting is evil
Yeah but I would be more happy if it did not zero out files (perhaps adding a new mount option?) but leave them as-is. I am more concerned about text files keeping their shape as far as possible rather than running into a corrupt binary configuration file.
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On Fri, Oct 27, 2006 at 08:12:35PM +0200, Anders Johansson wrote:
On Friday 27 October 2006 18:41, Jan Engelhardt wrote:
Added xfs list for great justice:
Please don't. Cross posting is evil
Yeah but I would be more happy if it did not zero out files (perhaps adding a new mount option?) but leave them as-is. I am more concerned about text files keeping their shape as far as possible rather than running into a corrupt binary configuration file.
I've been running xfs for a few years now and never seen a corrupted file
Me, too.</aol> Actually, I generated some corrupt directories running bonnie++ on an XFS filesystem, but that was some time ago now. In any event, xfs_repair did its job. Kurt -- Actors will happen even in the best-regulated families. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Kenneth Aar, Grafikern.no wrote:
[...] I have heard that it is more prone to fault/corruption if you yank the powercord or experience any form of unexpected poweroutage...
Our 300TB run fine with xfs. Usually, xfs_repair does a very good job. So it's a bit hard to comment on any rumours you might have heard... CU, Th. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Kenneth Aar, Grafikern.no wrote: | Glenn Holmer skrev: | On Thursday 19 October 2006 14:43, RutePoint | wrote: |> my question is, are there people here who have some | experience with |> XFS? | | I've been using it for several years, | both at home and on the servers at | work. Never had a problem. | | I have heard that it is more prone to fault/corruption if you yank | the powercord or experience any form of unexpected poweroutage... | http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Filesystems/reiserfs.html and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XFS seems to confirm what I said... - -- Regards Kenneth Aar -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFFQnXEMrkZx1uu3OwRAm8AAKCceONulhNzlL8UmmowPRCwC8OWZwCgvYCq VhcYnXDDcQrSd6Z9/2SQyJg= =/J5F -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Fri, Oct 27, 2006 at 11:10:28PM +0200, Kenneth Aar, Grafikern.no wrote:
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Kenneth Aar, Grafikern.no wrote: | Glenn Holmer skrev: | On Thursday 19 October 2006 14:43, RutePoint | wrote: |> my question is, are there people here who have some | experience with |> XFS? | | I've been using it for several years, | both at home and on the servers at | work. Never had a problem. | | I have heard that it is more prone to fault/corruption if you yank | the powercord or experience any form of unexpected poweroutage... | http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Filesystems/reiserfs.html and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XFS seems to confirm what I said...
Don't want to start a flame war here, but all these articles really tell me (with the caveat that I don't consider Wikipedia authoritative) is that metadata journaling and data journaling result in different types of data corruption or loss in powerfail events. I've yet to see a file system that has its own power supply... Kurt -- If I traveled to the end of the rainbow As Dame Fortune did intend, Murphy would be there to tell me The pot's at the other end. -- Bert Whitney --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
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