Dear All: This might be offtopic but I think it's important. I find the new suse linux home site (www.suselinux.com, www.suse. com) merged with novell's home page very annoying and frustrating. At the old site everything could be find easily through clear links (downloads, support, product info etc.). On the new site it seems that everything is in a big mess. It is rather difficult (at least for me) to find the suse mirrors page, the download page etc. What do you think? IG
On Thursday 02 December 2004 16:44, Gabor Istvan wrote:
I find the new suse linux home site (www.suselinux.com, www.suse. com) merged with novell's home page very annoying and frustrating.
I absolutely agree. I couldn't find anything I was looking for there (additionally, it is very slow to load, and does not render correctly on Konqueror 3.3, which is the default browser on their own operating system! I mean, come ON, guys ...), and resorted to using google with site:www.suse.com in the end, which was partially successful. http://www.suse.co.uk/ used to be very good, but now seems to redirect one through to the abominable Novell site as soon as you start to try to navigate away from the front page.
At the old site everything could be find easily through clear links (downloads, support, product info etc.). On the new site it seems that everything is in a big mess.
That would seem to be the case to me, too.
It is rather difficult (at least for me) to find the suse mirrors page, the download page etc. What do you think?
I'm in complete agreement. If this is a portent of things to come in terms of , it's very bad news indeed. -- Bill Gallafent.
On Thu, 2 Dec 2004 17:44:24 +0100 (CET), Gabor Istvan
Dear All:
This might be offtopic but I think it's important. I find the new suse linux home site (www.suselinux.com, www.suse. com) merged with novell's home page very annoying and frustrating. At the old site everything could be find easily through clear links (downloads, support, product info etc.). On the new site it seems that everything is in a big mess. It is rather difficult (at least for me) to find the suse mirrors page, the download page etc. What do you think? IG
Yes, it's very annoying. Sunny -- Get Firefox http://www.spreadfirefox.com/?q=affiliates&id=10745&t=85
What effect if any does this have on Yast Online Update?
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On Fri, 2004-12-03 at 16:53, James Knott wrote:
cwsiv wrote:
What effect if any does this have on Yast Online Update?
Why would it have any effect?
Changes to the update address. Now that 9.1 is out several months and
9.2 just out they change the site address.
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cwsiv wrote:
On Fri, 2004-12-03 at 16:53, James Knott wrote:
cwsiv wrote:
What effect if any does this have on Yast Online Update?
Why would it have any effect?
Changes to the update address. Now that 9.1 is out several months and 9.2 just out they change the site address.
Unless they've abandoned the old FQDN, it shouldn't be difficult to have it point to any server, anywhere. I just used YOU in 9.0 & 9.1 a couple of days ago and it worked fine.
Gabor Istvan wrote:
Dear All:
This might be offtopic but I think it's important. I find the new suse linux home site (www.suselinux.com, www.suse. com) merged with novell's home page very annoying and frustrating. At the old site everything could be find easily through clear links (downloads, support, product info etc.). On the new site it seems that everything is in a big mess. It is rather difficult (at least for me) to find the suse mirrors page, the download page etc. What do you think? IG
Not to mention the header image is... disturbing.... I'm inclined to agree with your assessment. -- Warm regards, Jordan Michaels Vivio Technologies http://www.viviotech.net/ jordan@viviotech.net
Jordan Michaels wrote:
Gabor Istvan wrote:
Dear All:
This might be offtopic but I think it's important. I find the new suse linux home site (www.suselinux.com, www.suse. com) merged with novell's home page very annoying and frustrating. At the old site everything could be find easily through clear links (downloads, support, product info etc.). On the new site it seems that everything is in a big mess. It is rather difficult (at least for me) to find the suse mirrors page, the download page etc. What do you think? IG
Not to mention the header image is... disturbing....
I'm inclined to agree with your assessment.
It's absolutely terrible. It's ugly and you can't find anything. Does anyone know where the KDE 3.3 updates are now? Luckly if you go to the German site, it's still in the old format. I don't speak any German and I find that site much easier to use than this new novell thing I just hope they change it back.
Ged, El Jue 02 Dic 2004 12:03, Ged escribió:
It's absolutely terrible. It's ugly and you can't find anything. Does anyone know where the KDE 3.3 updates are now?
For links to the donwloads, including the KDE updates, go to http://www.suse.com/us/private/download/. I boomarked this link, as I also found it difficult to find my way around the new site. -- Andreas Philipp Noema Ltda. Bogotá, D.C. - Colombia
Andreas Philipp wrote:
Ged,
El Jue 02 Dic 2004 12:03, Ged escribió:
It's absolutely terrible. It's ugly and you can't find anything. Does anyone know where the KDE 3.3 updates are now?
For links to the donwloads, including the KDE updates, go to http://www.suse.com/us/private/download/.
I boomarked this link, as I also found it difficult to find my way around the new site.
I don't see what's so difficult. From the Linux Professional page, on the right side, there's an area marked "downloads". Under that, select SUSE Linux products, which opens a new window at http://www.suse.com/us/private/download. It's a lot easier than it used to be.
El Jue 02 Dic 2004 15:19, James Knott escribió:
Andreas Philipp wrote:
For links to the donwloads, including the KDE updates, go to http://www.suse.com/us/private/download/.
I boomarked this link, as I also found it difficult to find my way around the new site.
I don't see what's so difficult. From the Linux Professional page, on the right side, there's an area marked "downloads". Under that, select SUSE Linux products, which opens a new window at http://www.suse.com/us/private/download. It's a lot easier than it used to be.
That's how I found the link I gave in my reply to Ged, so no handholding is needed. It's just a question of getting used to the new design, I guess. Even so, I don't like the Novell-SuSE site's design and there are apparently many others who don't find it very intuitive, either. YMMV. -- Andreas Philipp Noema Ltda. Bogotá, D.C. - Colombia
On Thursday 02 December 2004 20:19, James Knott wrote:
I don't see what's so difficult. From the Linux Professional page, on the right side, there's an area marked "downloads". Under that, select SUSE Linux products, which opens a new window at http://www.suse.com/us/private/download. It's a lot easier than it used to be.
I tend to agree. OK so it's new site and different and therefore will take a little getting used to but on the whole I think it's an improvement.
Over a phone connection, try instructing someone to find the updates.
The old site had a "sitemap" at top center.
"SuSE" appears several places on the new site, few reachable from the
others. It suggests that Novell doesn't know how SuSE fits in. (The
pricing and sales info reaffirms that.)
And am I mistaken, or has the layout changed twice during the last month?
jim bennett
Date: Thu, 02 Dec 2004 15:19:35 -0500
From: James Knott
It's absolutely terrible. It's ugly and you can't find anything. Does anyone know where the KDE 3.3 updates are now?
For links to the donwloads, including the KDE updates, go to http://www.suse.com/us/private/download/.
I boomarked this link, as I also found it difficult to find my way around the new site.
I don't see what's so difficult. From the Linux Professional page, on the right side, there's an area marked "downloads". Under that, select SUSE Linux products, which opens a new window at http://www.suse.com/us/private/download. It's a lot easier than it used to be.
James, On Thursday 02 December 2004 12:56, James P. Bennett wrote:
Over a phone connection, try instructing someone to find the updates. The old site had a "sitemap" at top center.
For my purposes, namely relatively infrequent use of the SuSE site, the site map was always where I went first. Trying to grok someone else's notion of a well organized site can be quite frustrating. Seeing everything laid out like that is often the most expedient way to find what you want. And I find that property applies to many sites I visit infrequently (or even just once), not just the old SuSE site.
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Randall Schulz
Gabor Istvan wrote:
Dear All:
This might be offtopic but I think it's important. I find the new suse linux home site (www.suselinux.com, www.suse. com) merged with novell's home page very annoying and frustrating. At the old site everything could be find easily through clear links (downloads, support, product info etc.). On the new site it seems that everything is in a big mess. It is rather difficult (at least for me) to find the suse mirrors page, the download page etc. What do you think? IG
Lessee now... Go to www.suselinux.com Click on SuSE Linux Professional Under downloads and demos, select either SUSE Linux Download or SUSE ftp server > mirrors. Yep, real difficult. They actually expect people to be able to read!
James, On Thursday 02 December 2004 09:03, James Knott wrote:
...
Yep, real difficult. They actually expect people to be able to read!
Don't be so glib. White text on a light gray background is not at all easy to read, and my eyesight is quite good. Light gray text on a white background isn't much better. Compound this with link text that has no distinctive highlighting or feedback and you have an exemplar for poor usability! And all of the text is in a size less than the user's default text setting (a practice I find annoying and gratuitous--almost as bad as opening new windows when a link is activated). And yes, being spied on by a blurry figure with binoculars pointed right at you really _is_ disturbing! RRS
Randall R Schulz wrote:
James,
On Thursday 02 December 2004 09:03, James Knott wrote:
...
Yep, real difficult. They actually expect people to be able to read!
Don't be so glib. White text on a light gray background is not at all easy to read, and my eyesight is quite good. Light gray text on a white background isn't much better. Compound this with link text that has no distinctive highlighting or feedback and you have an exemplar for poor usability! And all of the text is in a size less than the user's default text setting (a practice I find annoying and gratuitous--almost as bad as opening new windows when a link is activated).
And yes, being spied on by a blurry figure with binoculars pointed right at you really _is_ disturbing!
Some of the things on that page, such as white on gray, or that picture are not that great. However, it's not that difficult to find the appropriate links. They do however, need a better "artist".
On Thursday 02 December 2004 12:17, James Knott wrote:
Some of the things on that page, such as white on gray, or that picture are not that great. However, it's not that difficult to find the appropriate links. They do however, need a better "artist".
What they needs, well baisc knowledge of ergonomi. The best way is to look at the old www.suse.com Cheers Julo.
Jul wrote:
On Thursday 02 December 2004 12:17, James Knott wrote:
Some of the things on that page, such as white on gray, or that picture are not that great. However, it's not that difficult to find the appropriate links. They do however, need a better "artist".
What they needs, well baisc knowledge of ergonomi. The best way is to look at the old www.suse.com Cheers Julo.
Actually, in some ways it's better than the old one. I find it takes fewer steps, to get where you want to go.
On Thu, Dec 02, 2004 at 03:41:20PM -0500, James Knott wrote:
Actually, in some ways it's better than the old one. I find it takes fewer steps, to get where you want to go.
Yes, it takes fewer steps to go nowhere. An example. Type something in the search box on the main page and click on "search" It gives you a results page with the same menu on top. Now select Products->operating systems and services->Linux->SUSE Linux Professional from the menu This produces a wonderful "Object not found!" page with broken links and suggestion to contact webmaster at "you@your.address" Nice job! -Kastus
Kastus, On Thursday 02 December 2004 13:18, Kastus wrote:
On Thu, Dec 02, 2004 at 03:41:20PM -0500, James Knott wrote:
Actually, in some ways it's better than the old one. I find it takes fewer steps, to get where you want to go.
Yes, it takes fewer steps to go nowhere.
An example.
Type something in the search box on the main page and click on "search" It gives you a results page with the same menu on top. Now select Products->operating systems and services->Linux->SUSE Linux Professional from the menu
This produces a wonderful "Object not found!" page with broken links and suggestion to contact webmaster at "you@your.address"
I once heard a Web site designer give a talk on usability. He said that the single most common text found on the Web is "Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet ..." (if you know what I mean). There are a lot of unfilled or uncustomized templates out there.
Nice job!
Patience is a virtue, eh? But I don't have the time...
-Kastus
RRS
Kastus wrote:
On Thu, Dec 02, 2004 at 03:41:20PM -0500, James Knott wrote:
Actually, in some ways it's better than the old one. I find it takes fewer steps, to get where you want to go.
Yes, it takes fewer steps to go nowhere.
An example.
Type something in the search box on the main page and click on "search" It gives you a results page with the same menu on top. Now select Products->operating systems and services->Linux->SUSE Linux Professional from the menu
This produces a wonderful "Object not found!" page with broken links and suggestion to contact webmaster at "you@your.address"
It works fine here.
On Thu, Dec 02, 2004 at 05:55:07PM -0500, James Knott wrote:
Kastus wrote:
On Thu, Dec 02, 2004 at 03:41:20PM -0500, James Knott wrote:
Actually, in some ways it's better than the old one. I find it takes fewer steps, to get where you want to go.
Yes, it takes fewer steps to go nowhere.
An example.
Type something in the search box on the main page and click on "search" It gives you a results page with the same menu on top. Now select Products->operating systems and services->Linux->SUSE Linux Professional from the menu
This produces a wonderful "Object not found!" page with broken links and suggestion to contact webmaster at "you@your.address"
It works fine here.
It still does not work here in firefox. After the search I am on this URL: http://search.novell.com/NSearch/SearchServlet?bbshow=true&bbindex=&theme=&encoding=iso-8859-1&noredirect=&collection=GeneralInfo&query=kernel&hdrsrchsubmit=Search Do not click through the menu, just hover the mouse and click on the last "SUSE Linux Professional" It responds with this page: http://search.novell.com/products/linuxprofessional/index.html?sourceidint=p... ================================================= Object not found! The requested URL was not found on this server. The link on the referring page seems to be wrong or outdated. Please inform the author of that page about the error. If you think this is a server error, please contact the webmaster. Error 404 search.novell.com Thursday, December 2, 2004 18:08:56 Apache/2.0.49a (NETWARE) mod_jk/1.2.6-dev ================================================= As you see, time stamp is real, so it is the server returning this. Regards, -Kastus
Kastus wrote:
On Thu, Dec 02, 2004 at 05:55:07PM -0500, James Knott wrote:
Kastus wrote:
On Thu, Dec 02, 2004 at 03:41:20PM -0500, James Knott wrote:
Actually, in some ways it's better than the old one. I find it takes fewer steps, to get where you want to go.
Yes, it takes fewer steps to go nowhere.
An example.
Type something in the search box on the main page and click on "search" It gives you a results page with the same menu on top. Now select Products->operating systems and services->Linux->SUSE Linux Professional from the menu
This produces a wonderful "Object not found!" page with broken links and suggestion to contact webmaster at "you@your.address"
It works fine here.
It still does not work here in firefox.
After the search I am on this URL:
Do not click through the menu, just hover the mouse and click on the last "SUSE Linux Professional"
There is absolutely no mention of SuSE Professional on that page. I'm running Mozzila 1.7.3.
James Knott wrote:
Kastus wrote:
On Thu, Dec 02, 2004 at 05:55:07PM -0500, James Knott wrote:
Kastus wrote:
On Thu, Dec 02, 2004 at 03:41:20PM -0500, James Knott wrote:
Actually, in some ways it's better than the old one. I find it takes fewer steps, to get where you want to go.
Yes, it takes fewer steps to go nowhere.
An example.
Type something in the search box on the main page and click on "search" It gives you a results page with the same menu on top. Now select Products->operating systems and services->Linux->SUSE Linux Professional from the menu
This produces a wonderful "Object not found!" page with broken links and suggestion to contact webmaster at "you@your.address"
It works fine here.
It still does not work here in firefox. After the search I am on this URL:
Do not click through the menu, just hover the mouse and click on the last "SUSE Linux Professional"
There is absolutely no mention of SuSE Professional on that page.
I'm running Mozzila 1.7.3.
I just got back from vacation a few days ago and re-subscribing to this list was a SERIOUS pain for me.
On Thursday 02 December 2004 14:41, James Knott wrote:
There is absolutely no mention of SuSE Professional on that page.
I'm running Mozzila 1.7.3.
Products>>Operating systems>>Linux>>>>SUSE Prof -- Greetings from /bill at 169 west , 19 south. Disclaimer: Any errors in spelling, tact, or fact are transmission errors."
Bill Wisse wrote:
On Thursday 02 December 2004 14:41, James Knott wrote:
There is absolutely no mention of SuSE Professional on that page.
I'm running Mozzila 1.7.3.
Products>>Operating systems>>Linux>>>>SUSE Prof
Still works for me. It takes me to http://www.novell.com/products/linuxprofessional/index.html?sourceidint=prod...
On Thu, Dec 02, 2004 at 08:41:00PM -0500, James Knott wrote:
Kastus wrote:
On Thu, Dec 02, 2004 at 05:55:07PM -0500, James Knott wrote:
Kastus wrote:
On Thu, Dec 02, 2004 at 03:41:20PM -0500, James Knott wrote:
Actually, in some ways it's better than the old one. I find it takes fewer steps, to get where you want to go.
Yes, it takes fewer steps to go nowhere.
An example.
Type something in the search box on the main page and click on "search" It gives you a results page with the same menu on top. Now select Products->operating systems and services->Linux->SUSE Linux Professional from the menu
This produces a wonderful "Object not found!" page with broken links and suggestion to contact webmaster at "you@your.address"
It works fine here.
It still does not work here in firefox.
After the search I am on this URL:
Do not click through the menu, just hover the mouse and click on the last "SUSE Linux Professional"
There is absolutely no mention of SuSE Professional on that page.
That's because of MMN (Mysterious Meat Navigation) Place your mouse over "Products" menu pad, a drop-down menu opens. Move the mouse to "operating systems and services", then another menu opens to the left. Move the mouse to the "Linux" pad, another menu opens to the left, and then click "SUSE Linux Professional" on that left-most menu. The new website definitely qualifies for http://www.webpagesthatsuck.com/ daily sucker Regards, -Kastus
Kastus wrote:
On Thu, Dec 02, 2004 at 08:41:00PM -0500, James Knott wrote:
Kastus wrote:
On Thu, Dec 02, 2004 at 05:55:07PM -0500, James Knott wrote:
Kastus wrote:
On Thu, Dec 02, 2004 at 03:41:20PM -0500, James Knott wrote:
Actually, in some ways it's better than the old one. I find it takes fewer steps, to get where you want to go.
Yes, it takes fewer steps to go nowhere.
An example.
Type something in the search box on the main page and click on "search" It gives you a results page with the same menu on top. Now select Products->operating systems and services->Linux->SUSE Linux Professional from the menu
This produces a wonderful "Object not found!" page with broken links and suggestion to contact webmaster at "you@your.address"
It works fine here.
It still does not work here in firefox.
After the search I am on this URL:
Do not click through the menu, just hover the mouse and click on the last "SUSE Linux Professional"
There is absolutely no mention of SuSE Professional on that page.
That's because of MMN (Mysterious Meat Navigation)
Place your mouse over "Products" menu pad, a drop-down menu opens. Move the mouse to "operating systems and services", then another menu opens to the left. Move the mouse to the "Linux" pad, another menu opens to the left, and then click "SUSE Linux Professional" on that left-most menu.
The new website definitely qualifies for http://www.webpagesthatsuck.com/ daily sucker
Regards, -Kastus
I don't have any problem with that, in either Mozilla or Konqueror.
On Friday 03 December 2004 06:58, James Knott wrote:
Kastus wrote:
On Thu, Dec 02, 2004 at 08:41:00PM -0500, James Knott wrote:
Kastus wrote:
On Thu, Dec 02, 2004 at 05:55:07PM -0500, James Knott wrote:
Kastus wrote:
On Thu, Dec 02, 2004 at 03:41:20PM -0500, James Knott wrote: >Actually, in some ways it's better than the old one. I find it takes >fewer steps, to get where you want to go.
Yes, it takes fewer steps to go nowhere.
An example.
Type something in the search box on the main page and click on "search" It gives you a results page with the same menu on top. Now select Products->operating systems and services->Linux->SUSE Linux Professional from the menu
This produces a wonderful "Object not found!" page with broken links and suggestion to contact webmaster at "you@your.address"
It works fine here.
It still does not work here in firefox.
After the search I am on this URL:
http://search.novell.com/NSearch/SearchServlet?bbshow=true&bbindex=&them e=&encoding=iso-8859-1&noredirect=&collection=GeneralInfo&query=kernel&h drsrchsubmit=Search
Do not click through the menu, just hover the mouse and click on the last "SUSE Linux Professional"
There is absolutely no mention of SuSE Professional on that page.
That's because of MMN (Mysterious Meat Navigation)
Place your mouse over "Products" menu pad, a drop-down menu opens. Move the mouse to "operating systems and services", then another menu opens to the left. Move the mouse to the "Linux" pad, another menu opens to the left, and then click "SUSE Linux Professional" on that left-most menu.
The new website definitely qualifies for http://www.webpagesthatsuck.com/ daily sucker
Regards, -Kastus
I don't have any problem with that, in either Mozilla or Konqueror.
Me neither on 9.2,9.0,8.2....... Must be a glitch in the matrix. JD
JD. Brown wrote:
On Friday 03 December 2004 06:58, James Knott wrote:
I don't have any problem with that, in either Mozilla or Konqueror.
Me neither on 9.2,9.0,8.2....... Must be a glitch in the matrix.
I guess they'll have to reload it. ;-)
Can anyone here point me in the direction of some documentation that explains how to set the max number of login retrys for ssh login attempts? Is that feature even possible? Thanks! -- Warm regards, Jordan Michaels Vivio Technologies http://www.viviotech.net/ jordan@viviotech.net
I finally after sending a complaint off to Novell on 2nd December have got a reply about the new suse site. See below: Hi, sorry for responding late ... .
I discovered the new suse site a few days ago and hate using it. Why? Because you have made it difficult to navigate
All information that was present on www.suse.com in the Home User section can now be accessed through the left navigation menu on the SUSE LINUX Professional product page: http://www.novell.com/suselinux
and have changed the colours so they do not stand out.
For example grey and grey background is not very good web design and it actually falls foul of the Disability Discrimination Act 1995 in the UK because people with visual impairments cannot read your site clearly.
I cannot promise that we will change this in the near future (because it would affect the whole novell.com design), but I will forward this issue to my colleagues for discussion. Tschau Frank //////////////////// Olusola -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.296 / Virus Database: 265.6.0 - Release Date: 17/12/2004
On Tuesday 21 Dec 2004 18:14, olusola Fadero wrote:
and have changed the colours so they do not stand out.
For example grey and grey background is not very good web design and it actually falls foul of the Disability Discrimination Act 1995 in the UK because people with visual impairments cannot read your site clearly.
I cannot promise that we will change this in the near future (because it would affect the whole novell.com design), but I will forward this issue to my colleagues for discussion.
As if they actually have any choice in the matter i wonde what the latest round of the DDA have to say about it i will have to see Pete . -- Linux user No: 256242 Machine No: 139931 G6NJR Pete also MSA registered "Quinton 11" A Linux Only area Happy bug hunting M$ clan, The time is here to FORGET that M$ Corp ever existed the world does not NEED M$ Corp the world has NO USE for M$ Corp it is time to END M$ Corp , Play time is over folks time for action approaches at an alarming pace the death knell for M$ Copr has been sounded . Termination time is around the corner ..
On Thursday 02 December 2004 7:41 pm, James Knott wrote:
Kastus wrote:
On Thu, Dec 02, 2004 at 05:55:07PM -0500, James Knott wrote:
Kastus wrote:
On Thu, Dec 02, 2004 at 03:41:20PM -0500, James Knott wrote:
Actually, in some ways it's better than the old one. I find it takes fewer steps, to get where you want to go.
Yes, it takes fewer steps to go nowhere.
An example.
Type something in the search box on the main page and click on "search" It gives you a results page with the same menu on top. Now select Products->operating systems and services->Linux->SUSE Linux Professional from the menu
This produces a wonderful "Object not found!" page with broken links and suggestion to contact webmaster at "you@your.address"
It works fine here.
It still does not work here in firefox.
After the search I am on this URL:
http://search.novell.com/NSearch/SearchServlet?bbshow=true&bbindex=&theme =&encoding=iso-8859-1&noredirect=&collection=GeneralInfo&query=kernel&hdrs rchsubmit=Search
Do not click through the menu, just hover the mouse and click on the last "SUSE Linux Professional"
There is absolutely no mention of SuSE Professional on that page.
I'm running Mozzila 1.7.3.
I don't see that either in SUSE 9.2 and Konq 3.3.1 or Firefox 1.0. Is there supposed to be something in the left hand grey column? Stan
On Thu, 2004-12-02 at 22:48, Stan Glasoe wrote: <snip>
http://search.novell.com/NSearch/SearchServlet?bbshow=true&bbindex=&theme =&encoding=iso-8859-1&noredirect=&collection=GeneralInfo&query=kernel&hdrs rchsubmit=Search
<snip> I don't see that either in SUSE 9.2 and Konq 3.3.1 or Firefox 1.0. Is there supposed to be something in the left hand grey column?
Stan
Hi Stan, The link above has been clipped by word-wrap into three sections which must be recombined into one long string. Also, be sure to cut out any ">" e-mail quote indicators and spaces, too. The resulting long-string URL should land you on the appropriate search results page. The menu across the top is comprised of the following options: "COMPANY - SOLUTIONS - PRODUCTS - CONSULTING - TRAINING - SUPPORT - PARTNERS - DEVELOPERS" Hovering your cursor over an option causes a hidden corresponding drop-down style menu to appear. Scrolling your cursor down within a menu reveals further, nested, hidden sub-menus, and so on. I may be mistaken, but these menus might require java to be installed and javascript enabled. I had a comparable problem a few weeks ago, where Mozilla worked on a site but Konqueror did not. I was shocked to discover Konqueror looking in a deprecated location for java -- I hadn't updated this setting following some substantial system upgrades and changes. When I corrected the path to java and enabled javascript, Konqueror then worked on the site in question. Of course, I may be way off base and YMMV, but I hope not. good luck & regards, - Carl
On Thursday 02 December 2004 10:41 pm, Carl Hartung wrote:
I may be mistaken, but these menus might require java to be installed and javascript enabled. I had a comparable problem a few weeks ago, where Mozilla worked on a site but Konqueror did not. I was shocked to discover Konqueror looking in a deprecated location for java -- I hadn't updated this setting following some substantial system upgrades and changes. When I corrected the path to java and enabled javascript, Konqueror then worked on the site in question.
Of course, I may be way off base and YMMV, but I hope not.
good luck & regards,
- Carl
Thanks Carl for the hint but I had the URL right before. I scrolled over the Products, OS & stuff, Linux, SUSE LINUX Pro and I end up where Kastus did. Object not found in both Konq and Firefox. Double checked my java setup for Konq, again. Pointing to a live java bin file on my system. Need java working for several sites I visit on a regular basis. What I did try was to go to Products, OS & Stuff, Linux, Open Enterprise and that worked. From there I tried the Products, OS & Stuff, Linux, SUSE Pro and that worked. Go figure. Stan
Stan Glasoe wrote:
On Thursday 02 December 2004 10:41 pm, Carl Hartung wrote:
I may be mistaken, but these menus might require java to be installed and javascript enabled. I had a comparable problem a few weeks ago, where Mozilla worked on a site but Konqueror did not. I was shocked to discover Konqueror looking in a deprecated location for java -- I hadn't updated this setting following some substantial system upgrades and changes. When I corrected the path to java and enabled javascript, Konqueror then worked on the site in question.
Of course, I may be way off base and YMMV, but I hope not.
good luck & regards,
- Carl
Thanks Carl for the hint but I had the URL right before. I scrolled over the Products, OS & stuff, Linux, SUSE LINUX Pro and I end up where Kastus did. Object not found in both Konq and Firefox. Double checked my java setup for Konq, again. Pointing to a live java bin file on my system. Need java working for several sites I visit on a regular basis.
What I did try was to go to Products, OS & Stuff, Linux, Open Enterprise and that worked. From there I tried the Products, OS & Stuff, Linux, SUSE Pro and that worked. Go figure.
When I follow the directions, I wind up at the SuSE Professional page. I simply don't get any error or other problem. I agree the new site has some artistic issues, but it works fine for me and takes fewer clicks to reach the desired area.
On Thu, 2004-12-02 at 23:41, Carl Hartung wrote:
On Thu, 2004-12-02 at 22:48, Stan Glasoe wrote: <snip>
We often refer people to the archives to research problems. Not a problem the link is on the bottom of the list emails. I just tried to find a link for subscribing to the SuSE lists on the new site and cannot find a link to any SuSE lists. Can anyone else confirm this or is my old age setting in since I retired? -- Ken Schneider UNIX since 1989 SuSE since 1998 * Only reply to the list please*
On Friday 03 December 2004 7:08 am, Ken Schneider wrote:
On Thu, 2004-12-02 at 23:41, Carl Hartung wrote:
On Thu, 2004-12-02 at 22:48, Stan Glasoe wrote: <snip>
We often refer people to the archives to research problems. Not a problem the link is on the bottom of the list emails. I just tried to find a link for subscribing to the SuSE lists on the new site and cannot find a link to any SuSE lists. Can anyone else confirm this or is my old age setting in since I retired?
Ken
At http://www.novell.com/linux/suse/index.html mouse over the SUSE LINUX Professional in the middle column and click. At http://www.novell.com/products/linuxprofessional/ look to the right column under the box and click on the fourth arrow down "SUSE LINUX mailing lists" Stan
Ken Schneider wrote:
We often refer people to the archives to research problems. Not a problem the link is on the bottom of the list emails. I just tried to find a link for subscribing to the SuSE lists on the new site and cannot find a link to any SuSE lists. Can anyone else confirm this or is my old age setting in since I retired?
The web page is still there but you need a backhoe to find it.. http://www.suse.com/us/private/support/online_help/mailinglists/index.html Christopher Reimer
Fredag 03 december 2004 14:08 kvad Ken Schneider: [SNIP]
I just tried to find a link for subscribing to the SuSE lists on the new site and cannot find a link to any SuSE lists. Can anyone else confirm this or is my old age setting in since I retired?
Good day Ken, you are getting old ;o) www.suse.com In the menu to the left: SUSE LINUX products -> SUSE LINUX (the second one) To the right, in the section "Quick links" you will find the link "SUSE LINUX mailing lists" Best regards Johnny :o)
We often refer people to the archives to research problems. Not a problem the link is on the bottom of the list emails. I just tried to find a link for subscribing to the SuSE lists on the new site and cannot find a link to any SuSE lists. Can anyone else confirm this or is my
On Fri, 2004-12-03 at 08:08, Ken Schneider wrote: <snip> old
age setting in since I retired?
Hi Ken, Somebody at Novell (hint hint, hope they're snooping) needs to take a graphics and UI design class. The hybrid they're concocting is so '80's/industrial made me start searching for my my Elvis Costello CDs. The original SuSE design was elegant, but the Novell part is just boxy. Each to their own, I guess... Anyway, two directions which appear to work are: Path A ====== Starting from www.novell.com: "Support"->"discussion forums"->"SuSE Products *More*" takes you to: http://support.novell.com/forums/2su.html The last item (pale gray on white) just above the page footer is "SUSE Mailing Lists" which takes you to http://www.suse.com/us/private/support/online_help/mailinglists/index.html Path B ====== Click on:http://lists.suse.com (below; appended to each list e-mail) which lands you on a page with two options "Browse Archives" and "how to subscribe"; clicking on "how to subscribe" takes you to: http://www.suse.com/en/private/support/online_help/mailinglists/ Note: This appears to be the original SuSE page with that God-awful Novell "pop-up" drop-down menu header inserted at the top. HTH & regards, - Carl
I just tried to find a link for subscribing to the SuSE lists on the new site
http://www.suse.com/en/private/support/online_help/mailinglists/ Regards, JD
On Fri, 2004-12-03 at 11:25, JD. Brown wrote:
I just tried to find a link for subscribing to the SuSE lists on the new site
http://www.suse.com/en/private/support/online_help/mailinglists/
Thats all well and good, but if you were brand new to SuSE you would not about this link unless someone else pointed it out to you. I agree with others on this list that the new site sucks visually, the old site "looked" better. -- Ken Schneider UNIX since 1989 SuSE since 1998 * Only reply to the list please*
Stan Glasoe wrote:
There is absolutely no mention of SuSE Professional on that page.
I'm running Mozzila 1.7.3.
I don't see that either in SUSE 9.2 and Konq 3.3.1 or Firefox 1.0. Is there supposed to be something in the left hand grey column?
I don't know why the others are having problems. I've tried to replicate their problems, using both Mozilla and Konqueror and they both work fine.
On Thursday 02 Dec 2004 22:55, James Knott wrote:
Kastus wrote:
On Thu, Dec 02, 2004 at 03:41:20PM -0500, James Knott wrote:
Actually, in some ways it's better than the old one. I find it takes fewer steps, to get where you want to go.
Yes, it takes fewer steps to go nowhere.
An example.
Type something in the search box on the main page and click on "search" It gives you a results page with the same menu on top. Now select Products->operating systems and services->Linux->SUSE Linux Professional from the menu
This produces a wonderful "Object not found!" page with broken links and suggestion to contact webmaster at "you@your.address"
It works fine here.
It's a sack o nasty stuff and needs putting back to it's previous style far more useable and made more sense new = trashcan . Pete . -- Linux user No: 256242 Machine No: 139931 G6NJR Pete also MSA registered "Quinton 11" A Linux Only area Happy bug hunting M$ clan, The time is here to FORGET that M$ Corp ever existed the world does not NEED M$ Corp the world has NO USE for M$ Corp it is time to END M$ Corp , Play time is over folks time for action approaches at an alarming pace the death knell for M$ Copr has been sounded . Termination time is around the corner ..
peter Nikolic wrote:
On Thursday 02 Dec 2004 22:55, James Knott wrote:
Kastus wrote:
On Thu, Dec 02, 2004 at 03:41:20PM -0500, James Knott wrote:
Actually, in some ways it's better than the old one. I find it takes fewer steps, to get where you want to go.
Yes, it takes fewer steps to go nowhere.
An example.
Type something in the search box on the main page and click on "search" It gives you a results page with the same menu on top. Now select Products->operating systems and services->Linux->SUSE Linux Professional from the menu
This produces a wonderful "Object not found!" page with broken links and suggestion to contact webmaster at "you@your.address"
It works fine here.
It's a sack o nasty stuff and needs putting back to it's previous style far more useable and made more sense new = trashcan .
Pete .
Put together by a jobsworth, kinda Not Invented Here. They should have left it if they couldn't improve on it, not that there was anything that needed improvement, but if Novell stuff needed to b included, they should have left passed the job to someone who knew what he was doing - a SuSE person. Regards Sid. -- Sid Boyce .... Hamradio G3VBV and keen Flyer =====LINUX ONLY USED HERE=====
On Thursday 02 December 2004 17:03, James Knott wrote:
Lessee now...
Go to www.suselinux.com Click on SuSE Linux Professional
I hadn't even realised that heading (and the body text below it) was a link. One is apparently supposed to guess that that text, which is the same colour as the body text below it (which also seems to form part of the link) and which has no adornment, is a link. This strikes me as an "interesting" web design ethos. (Not to mention inconsistent: All the other links in the body of the page have a little arrow beside them, which is better (and which implies that things without an arrow aren't links)). Confusingly, though, the headings have an angled arrow, and aren't links ... and several of the links open in a new window, which is silly ... if I want a link to be opened in a new window, I'll tell my browser to open it in a new window, thanks...). Anyway, the site on the end of that link is actually not _too_ bad, and seems to have much of the stuff that used to be present (and better laid out, faster to load, etc.) on the old site. So that's good. Incidentally, why does the page only go half way across the screen? (or rather, completely ignore the width of the browser window, thus appearing too wide or too narrow depending on your display resolution). I seem to remember some of the poorer websites from last century also displayed this characteristic, but there's no need for it these days (unless maybe you use IE, in which case you deserve everything you get. I don't know about that sort of thing, and prefer to remain in that state). The old SuSE site went all the way across. I paid good money for those pixels ;/ The layout may be terrible, and it may be a slow-to-load site, but at least it's valid HTML, which is better than many. Look on the bright side. And presumably the price of SuSE distributions will go down too, now that 1 US dollar is only worth 75 cents (or 52 pence), and with Novell being a USA-based company. -- Bill Gallafent.
On Thursday 02 December 2004 10:44 am, Gabor Istvan wrote:
Dear All:
This might be offtopic but I think it's important. I find the new suse linux home site (www.suselinux.com, www.suse. com) merged with novell's home page very annoying and frustrating. At the old site everything could be find easily through clear links (downloads, support, product info etc.). On the new site it seems that everything is in a big mess. It is rather difficult (at least for me) to find the suse mirrors page, the download page etc. What do you think? IG
I agree. The Novell site is not unlike trying to find useful information at Microsoft's Knowledgebase. The feedback page is still available at www.suse.de/feedback. Select the general topic and tell them. Maybe they'll get back to the K.I.S.S. philosophy (Keep It Simple (for) Stan). Stan
On Thursday 02 December 2004 10:44 am, Gabor Istvan wrote:
Dear All:
This might be offtopic but I think it's important. I find the new suse linux home site (www.suselinux.com, www.suse. com) merged with novell's home page very annoying and frustrating. At the old site everything could be find easily through clear links (downloads, support, product info etc.). On the new site it seems that everything is in a big mess. It is rather difficult (at least for me) to find the suse mirrors page, the download page etc. What do you think? IG Agree, strongly!
PeterB
At the old site everything could be find easily through clear links (downloads, support, product info etc.). On the new site it seems that
I actually like the new site better. From browsing it a little it seems that the content is more or less identical to the old site except the navigation is changed. The menu on the left side has links to most parts of the site which for me makes it easier to navigate since you don't have to click through the links to get to a certain page - you can just follow through the menu choices and go there immediately.
everything is in a big mess. It is rather difficult (at least for me) to find the suse mirrors page, the download page etc.
I found that very easy. From the main menu go to "SUSE LINUX products->SUSE LINUX professional". This makes good sense and is obvious. Then you choose "downloads&demos->SUSE ftp server->mirrors". This again makes sense to me and is well organized. The new site is different but that does not necessarily mean it's worse. Brana
Branimir Vasilic wrote:
I found that very easy. From the main menu go to "SUSE LINUX products->SUSE LINUX professional". This makes good sense and is obvious. Then you choose "downloads&demos->SUSE ftp server->mirrors". This again makes sense to me and is well organized.
The new site is different but that does not necessarily mean it's worse.
Brana
I was going to support on the top bar, and then into downloads. Hadn't realised you could navigate to it via the side menus.
I was going to support on the top bar, and then into downloads. Hadn't realised you could navigate to it via the side menus.
You'd think (assuming basic interface design guidelines in place, of course), that navigating from one place would get you to the same place as an alternate set of navigation controls.
Torsdag 02 december 2004 17:44 kvad Gabor Istvan:
Dear All:
This might be offtopic but I think it's important. I find the new suse linux home site (www.suselinux.com, www.suse. com) merged with novell's home page very annoying and frustrating. At the old site everything could be find easily through clear links (downloads, support, product info etc.). On the new site it seems that everything is in a big mess. It is rather difficult (at least for me) to find the suse mirrors page, the download page etc. What do you think? IG
Good day, I disaggree. Spending less than 120 SECONDS I found eveything I usually go there for: Supplementary KDE and X Security announcements Updates FTP Package decriptions The Support Database You just have to use the menus to left. Best regards Johnny :o)
On Thu, 2004-12-02 at 17:44 +0100, Gabor Istvan wrote:
Dear All:
This might be offtopic but I think it's important. I find the new suse linux home site (www.suselinux.com, www.suse. com) merged with novell's home page very annoying and frustrating. At the old site everything could be find easily through clear links (downloads, support, product info etc.). On the new site it seems that everything is in a big mess. It is rather difficult (at least for me) to find the suse mirrors page, the download page etc. What do you think? IG
This I agree with. I was used to using the old one and could find every thing. I thought I'd gone to the wrong site at first as I could not find the download page I was usd to using. Maybe I'll get used to it with time, but I don't think it is as user friendly. Chris
Gabor Istvan wrote:
Dear All:
This might be offtopic but I think it's important. I find the new suse linux home site (www.suselinux.com, www.suse. com) merged with novell's home page very annoying and frustrating. At the old site everything could be find easily through clear links (downloads, support, product info etc.). On the new site it seems that everything is in a big mess. It is rather difficult (at least for me) to find the suse mirrors page, the download page etc. What do you think? IG
I have found the same problems with the new site. -- SuSE Linux 9.2 (i586) ---- 2.6.8-24.3-default --- Thu 12/02/04 17:40 5:40pm up 1 day 20:18, 4 users, load average: 0.28, 0.29, 0.19
On Thursday 02 Dec 2004 16:44, Gabor Istvan wrote:
Dear All:
This might be offtopic but I think it's important. I find the new suse linux home site (www.suselinux.com, www.suse. com) merged with novell's home page very annoying and frustrating. At the old site everything could be find easily through clear links (downloads, support, product info etc.). On the new site it seems that everything is in a big mess. It is rather difficult (at least for me) to find the suse mirrors page, the download page etc. What do you think? IG
When are we going to get the correct site back this present one is so dire it is untrue . I dont speak or read German too well but i am now going to have to start using the German site as this English/American this is an abonomation of a site and needs deleteing to be replaced with the old site that was very useable unlike the new one that is about as friendly as a dose of windBloZe. pete. -- Linux user No: 256242 Machine No: 139931 G6NJR Pete also MSA registered "Quinton 11" A Linux Only area Happy bug hunting M$ clan, The time is here to FORGET that M$ Corp ever existed the world does not NEED M$ Corp the world has NO USE for M$ Corp it is time to END M$ Corp , Play time is over folks time for action approaches at an alarming pace the death knell for M$ Copr has been sounded . Termination time is around the corner ..
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