[opensuse] Device Notifier
KDE is v4.4.4. When a USB stick or an optical disk is inserted, Devce Notifier pops up to tell me that this has happened, and then pops down again. As far as I can see, nothing else happens: Nowhere am I asked what I want to do with the thing (eg, mount, ignore, or anything else), nor do I see any difference in the Konqueror file browser. indicating the presence of a new device. I assume that I just don't know where to look, although I spent a bit of time yesterday searching. What am I supposed to do next, knowing that the device I had just inserted, is in fact inserted? -- Stan Goodman Qiryat Tiv'on Israel -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 10/5/2010 11:21 AM, Stan Goodman wrote:
KDE is v4.4.4.
When a USB stick or an optical disk is inserted, Devce Notifier pops up to tell me that this has happened, and then pops down again. As far as I can see, nothing else happens: Nowhere am I asked what I want to do with the thing (eg, mount, ignore, or anything else), nor do I see any difference in the Konqueror file browser. indicating the presence of a new device. I assume that I just don't know where to look, although I spent a bit of time yesterday searching.
What am I supposed to do next, knowing that the device I had just inserted, is in fact inserted? Try clicking on the notifier and then the listed device.
I eventually put a notifier widget on my desktop to have ready access. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Tuesday, October 05, 2010 05:32:39 pm Michael S. Dunsaavage wrote:
On 10/5/2010 11:21 AM, Stan Goodman wrote:
KDE is v4.4.4.
When a USB stick or an optical disk is inserted, Devce Notifier pops up to tell me that this has happened, and then pops down again. As far as I can see, nothing else happens: Nowhere am I asked what I want to do with the thing (eg, mount, ignore, or anything else), nor do I see any difference in the Konqueror file browser. indicating the presence of a new device. I assume that I just don't know where to look, although I spent a bit of time yesterday searching.
What am I supposed to do next, knowing that the device I had just inserted, is in fact inserted?
Try clicking on the notifier and then the listed device.
Interestingly, I spent an entertaining half hour last night clicking on the Device Notifier popup, with no reaction from it whatever, and searching fruitlessly for some sign that a stick had appeared. It did list the stick I had inserted. Go figure. Now, however, I click on the only device, again a stick. Doing so causes three items to appear, about photographs, I think (one has to be very fast, because the popup pops down if you don't do something before DN loses patience, and you can't bring it back except by removing and reinserting the stick -- I am not enthusiastic about this behavior). I opened DN's setting, but didn't see immediately anything about changing it. Personally, I could do without the assumption that I want to do specific actions, like view pictures in Digicom; that's like the typical Windows behavior of trying to outguess you. I am also not clear what operating advantage is bestowed by the Device Notifier, in comparison to the kde3 behavior (opening in the file manager), where the stick was ready as soon as it was inserted. Except, of course, that this is "the future of computing". I don't find a way to unmount the stick. Is there one?
I eventually put a notifier widget on my desktop to have ready access.
Very good idea. The reason there is plenty of room for another icon for a gizmo that doesn't seem to add anything to operability. -- Stan Goodman Qiryat Tiv'on Israel -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Stan Goodman said the following on 10/05/2010 12:37 PM:
Now, however, I click on the only device, again a stick. Doing so causes three items to appear, about photographs, I think (one has to be very fast, because the popup pops down if you don't do something before DN loses patience, and you can't bring it back except by removing and reinserting the stick -- I am not enthusiastic about this behavior). I opened DN's setting, but didn't see immediately anything about changing it.
Perhaps there is a time-delay setting somewhere, because so long as I have the mouse/pointer OVER the popup it stays up.
Personally, I could do without the assumption that I want to do specific actions, like view pictures in Digicom; that's like the typical Windows behavior of trying to outguess you.
Indeed, that's why you have the choice of which application to use. Its not trying to outguess you, just offering what's appropriate. Let me put it this way: if it *always* opened the files in a browser, you would be complaining when you put in a music CD that it was incorrectly second-guessing you.
I am also not clear what operating advantage is bestowed by the Device Notifier, in comparison to the kde3 behavior (opening in the file manager), where the stick was ready as soon as it was inserted. Except, of course, that this is "the future of computing".
I you bothered looking, for example at the system logs, you would see that the device *is* available as soon as it is inserted. It is automounted. As or "future", well, as I said, wasn't this automounting what Windows was doing in the last century?
I don't find a way to unmount the stick. Is there one?
How picky are you? I just remove it. If you are picky, there is a down arrow beside the device in the notifier popup, if you look, and when you mouseover it says "Click to safely remove the device". Is that what you meant?
I eventually put a notifier widget on my desktop to have ready access.
Very good idea. The reason there is plenty of room for another icon for a gizmo that doesn't seem to add anything to operability.
The wonderful thing about KDE4 is that it offers so much in the way of _active_ widget and applets that you can choose from to customise the behaviour of the UI. And these widgets are so easy to write ... And you can write them in perl, javascript, ruby or php No need for C or C++ Heck with http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SuperKaramba this can be retrofitted to KDE3. See also http://techbase.kde.org/Development/Tutorials/SuperKaramba#Creating_the_Them... Ruby is a nice HLL to work in http://playtype.net/past/2008/12/13/writing_linux_desktop_apps_with_ruby_and... So if you don't like the way the device notifier works. write your own. -- "We must fall back upon the old axiom that when all other contingencies fail, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth." -- Sherlock Holmes, in "The Adventure of the Bruce-Partington Plans" -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 10/5/2010 9:37 AM, Stan Goodman wrote:
On Tuesday, October 05, 2010 05:32:39 pm Michael S. Dunsaavage wrote:
On 10/5/2010 11:21 AM, Stan Goodman wrote:
KDE is v4.4.4.
When a USB stick or an optical disk is inserted, Devce Notifier pops up to tell me that this has happened, and then pops down again. As far as I can see, nothing else happens: Nowhere am I asked what I want to do with the thing (eg, mount, ignore, or anything else), nor do I see any difference in the Konqueror file browser. indicating the presence of a new device. I assume that I just don't know where to look, although I spent a bit of time yesterday searching.
What am I supposed to do next, knowing that the device I had just inserted, is in fact inserted?
Try clicking on the notifier and then the listed device.
Interestingly, I spent an entertaining half hour last night clicking on the Device Notifier popup, with no reaction from it whatever, and searching fruitlessly for some sign that a stick had appeared. It did list the stick I had inserted. Go figure.
Now, however, I click on the only device, again a stick. Doing so causes three items to appear, about photographs, I think (one has to be very fast, because the popup pops down if you don't do something before DN loses patience, and you can't bring it back except by removing and reinserting the stick -- I am not enthusiastic about this behavior). I opened DN's setting, but didn't see immediately anything about changing it.
If the DN is running in the "Tray", there is a little up arrow next to the clock (in the typical setup) and some icons are hidden under that arrow to save room. Click arrow, a list of applications shows up, Click DN, and it will pop up. You don't have to unplug and plug again.
Personally, I could do without the assumption that I want to do specific actions, like view pictures in Digicom; that's like the typical Windows behavior of trying to outguess you.
Its also rather obtuse to add a function to the list. If your device is the slightest bit non-standard (such as a read-only iPhone) you get virtually no choices, and no clues on how to modify the list of actions.
I am also not clear what operating advantage is bestowed by the Device Notifier, in comparison to the kde3 behavior (opening in the file manager), where the stick was ready as soon as it was inserted. Except, of course, that this is "the future of computing".
This is due to a total rewrite of how removable devices are handled as best as I can tell. It seems to me that they tossed this out of kernel space and threw it into userland, and that is where DN lives. But I could be totally wrong about this. Automount and its ugly friends was the old way, and it didn't play well with newer devices.
I don't find a way to unmount the stick. Is there one?
If you see the stick and have accessed it, you can click the little eject icon in the device notifier.
I eventually put a notifier widget on my desktop to have ready access.
Very good idea. The reason there is plenty of room for another icon for a gizmo that doesn't seem to add anything to operability.
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Stan Goodman said the following on 10/05/2010 11:21 AM:
KDE is v4.4.4.
When a USB stick or an optical disk is inserted, Devce Notifier pops up to tell me that this has happened, and then pops down again. As far as I can see, nothing else happens: Nowhere am I asked what I want to do with the thing (eg, mount, ignore, or anything else), nor do I see any difference in the Konqueror file browser. indicating the presence of a new device. I assume that I just don't know where to look, although I spent a bit of time yesterday searching.
What am I supposed to do next, knowing that the device I had just inserted, is in fact inserted?
Hello again Stan. Since some time ago Linux has supported automatic mounting and un-mounting of removable devices (just like Windows :-) ). I'm sure someone will tell you the exact revision. What you are supposed to do next is tell the UI what you want done. When I click again on the device notifier it tells me of all the devices I have plugged in, phone, CDs USB stick, PCMCIA cards ... You need to tell it which you want to deal with. Click on one. The, depending, it will off you a choice of what you want to do: * open it in a file browser such as Kong or Dolphin * download photos ... * with digicam * with gwenview * play music * play video ... or various other options depending on what it contains, what programs you have and what your MIME settings are. This seems perfectly reasonable to me. After all, what's on the device may logically be a video, but physically its a collection of files. If the notifier *did* open those files/folders in your Konqueror when in fact you wanted to play the video, I'm sure you'd be irritated and would complain about the software making decisions for you that you didn't want. -- shin (n): A device for finding furniture in the dark. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
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