Well, after I gave it about 3 months, I thought I would try 10.1 again, surely that silly update issue has been solved by now, right? wroong! Now I think I will join the conspiracy theorists: could it be that behind all this new registration and libzypp and zmd incompetence lurks the big brother eye of homeland defense? Could it be that libzypp can't be fixed in a snap because the whole thing needs to be so that it can send all of our searches and files and shtuff to some windoze interface deep in some bunker in Arizona or Virginia, regardless of how we configure our systems? At the very least it is curious why system updating has become an issue, when there are numerous other schemes for accomplishing this relatively benign task, most working very well. What is the real problem? This kind of "progress" had only been seen in microsoft products before 10.1, correct? btw, after i ran smart update/upgrade, now the "update" button has turned orange!!!! should i reinstall zmd? are they coming to take me away? weirdness....
* kanenas@hawaii.rr.com
btw, after i ran smart update/upgrade, now the "update" button has turned orange!!!! should i reinstall zmd? are they coming to take me away?
disable zmd and stick with smart. -- Patrick Shanahan Registered Linux User #207535 http://wahoo.no-ip.org @ http://counter.li.org HOG # US1244711 Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2
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* kanenas@hawaii.rr.com
[09-06-06 20:00]: btw, after i ran smart update/upgrade, now the "update" button has turned orange!!!! should i reinstall zmd? are they coming to take me away?
disable zmd and stick with smart.
I am updating 10.1 with apt-get with just a few hitches, like ghostscript fonts conflict with print-pro 4.1. So, in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/apt.conf I put a hold on that package so that apt-get doesn't try to update it again. I use 2 commands: apt-get update, then apt-get -s upgrade After the second, if everything looks okay, I remove the "-s" and let it rip. I have never caused instability in my system and it stays up to date. To kill all the weird messages from the broken updaters it did a "rpm -e zmd rug zen-updater" so they are now out of the way. Ed Harrison, Linux User # 199533 SuSE10.0, Kernel 2.6.16.21-0.13 PolarBar Mailer 1.26
On Wednesday 06 September 2006 14:45, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
* kanenas@hawaii.rr.com
[09-06-06 20:00]: btw, after i ran smart update/upgrade, now the "update" button has turned orange!!!! should i reinstall zmd? are they coming to take me away?
disable zmd and stick with smart.
out of curiocity I switched back to 10.1 and tried to re-install zmd to see what smart update / smart upgrade had missed. so i fired up yast, clicked on software management and tried to install zmd. zmd....conflicts....with... libzypp or whatever the stupid thing is!!!!!!!!! &%*$#@@@$%^#@ enough already! Now yast is incapable of re-installing a package *IT* removed!!!!!! i will brave continuing playing with smart and seeing what 10.1 can offer, but the next thing I need to do is unclogg usb access from vmware machines. my umax2100U scanner only has drivers for win98, anything in later windoze or linucs pertaining to the Umax 2100u has proven useless. or maybe I will just wait and see if 10.2 will be better, my only issues with 10.0 are multimedia related and are more of an x86_64 vs i386 issue...
-- Patrick Shanahan Registered Linux User #207535 http://wahoo.no-ip.org @ http://counter.li.org HOG # US1244711 Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2
On Wed, September 6, 2006 4:58 pm, kanenas@hawaii.rr.com wrote:
Well, after I gave it about 3 months, I thought I would try 10.1 again, surely that silly update issue has been solved by now, right? wroong!
Switch to SMART. It works for me. :)
Now I think I will join the conspiracy theorists: could it be that behind all this new registration and libzypp and zmd incompetence lurks the big brother eye of homeland defense?
LOL! I'll peek out from under my tinfoil hat and let you know. :P <snip>
This kind of "progress" had only been seen in microsoft products before 10.1, correct?
No, I seem to recall one wierd issue with hotplug/USB devices which traversed 9.1 and 9.2, eventually getting fixed in 9.3, then broken again in 10.0 and finally seems to be fixed in 10.1. I seriously doubt the Zen issue will last that long. In addition, there are alternatives - apt, smart - which can be used in the interim. I'm perfectly happy with my 10.1 systems now that I've got Smart. Personally, I think they just missed it by that much! In the end, shit happens. The folks over at Novell/SUSE are programmers. They try to do their best and are constrained by deadlines as much as the next guy/gal. There's no conspiricy. (Unless you're a Jolt Cola sales guy and want to promote more programming hours.) -- Kai Ponte www.perfectreign.com || www.4thedadz.com remember - a turn signal is a statement, not a request
On Wednesday 06 September 2006 7:58 pm, kanenas@hawaii.rr.com wrote:
Well, after I gave it about 3 months, I thought I would try 10.1 again, surely that silly update issue has been solved by now, right? wroong! The Zen updater seems to be working perfectly on my system. The indicator on my system tray actually turned red while I was composing the previous email, and it downloaded a few patches. The initial problems with libzypp appear to have been fixed. You should be able to run the YAST Online Update to download all the current updates. Once you get all the libzypp updates, Zen should work. Make sure that you have an update site defined in your installation sources, and set refresh on. SuSE published the list of update sites on the OpenSuse web site, but here are a couple that work fine: http://ftp.ale.org/pub/suse/x86_64/update/10.1 ftp://mirrors.kernel.org/pub/suse/x86_64/update/10.1 for a 32-bit OS: http://ftp.ale.org/pub/suse/update/10.1 ftp://mirrors.kernel.org/pub/suse/update/10.1
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Jerry Feldman
On Thursday 07 September 2006 15:49, Jerry Feldman wrote:
The Zen updater seems to be working perfectly on my system. The indicator on my system tray actually turned red while I was composing the previous email, and it downloaded a few patches.
I don't think mine's ever turned red - it goes orange and gains an exclamation mark when there are patches to install. Is this right? Should it ever turn red? Is mine chromatically challenged? It is working well these days though. I did have a problem whereby it complained in the logs that it couldn't do something with the database, and wouldn't start up. I deleted the database, and the next time I restarted zmd it reloaded all the catalogues and rebuilt the database, and all now seems well. Fingers crossed. -- Bill Gallafent.
On Thursday 07 September 2006 10:59 am, William Gallafent wrote:
I don't think mine's ever turned red - it goes orange and gains an exclamation mark when there are patches to install. Is this right? Should it ever turn red? Is mine chromatically challenged? You are correct. Mine was Orange with an bang in it. I had a meeting to attend (with free pizza).
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Jerry Feldman
* Jerry Feldman
You are correct. Mine was Orange with an bang in it. I had a meeting to attend (with free pizza).
and bubbly amber fluid, free as in linux ? -- Patrick Shanahan Registered Linux User #207535 http://wahoo.no-ip.org @ http://counter.li.org HOG # US1244711 Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2
William Gallafent wrote:
On Thursday 07 September 2006 15:49, Jerry Feldman wrote:
The Zen updater seems to be working perfectly on my system. The indicator on my system tray actually turned red while I was composing the previous email, and it downloaded a few patches.
I don't think mine's ever turned red - it goes orange and gains an exclamation mark when there are patches to install. Is this right? Should it ever turn red? Is mine chromatically challenged?
It is working well these days though. I did have a problem whereby it complained in the logs that it couldn't do something with the database, and wouldn't start up. I deleted the database, and the next time I restarted zmd it reloaded all the catalogues and rebuilt the database, and all now seems well. Fingers crossed.
Hi William how did you remove the database, what file is it ? thanks / Eduardo
On Thursday 07 September 2006 06:49, Jerry Feldman wrote:
On Wednesday 06 September 2006 7:58 pm, kanenas@hawaii.rr.com wrote:
Well, after I gave it about 3 months, I thought I would try 10.1 again, surely that silly update issue has been solved by now, right? wroong!
The Zen updater seems to be working perfectly on my system. The indicator on my system tray actually turned red while I was composing the previous email, and it downloaded a few patches. The initial problems with libzypp appear to have been fixed. You should be able to run the YAST Online Update to download all the current updates.
Yes, it pretty much works now. I had two updates pending (both ImageMagic). The time it takes is not splendid but it did seem to work fine. 8:18 Click Update in the list of updates. Resolving Dependencies Immediate 100% CPU usage (both processors) 8:20 Updating (cpu usage down to just 50% of total i.e. 100% of one cpu) 8:26 Finishing.... 8:29 Success message. So 11 minutes for two little updates. Oddly enough I had the same updates waiting on the SUSE 9.3 machine adjacent to this one. 8:36:30 Start YOU 8:37:00 Click Accept - Start applying updates 8:37:30 Done applying - Starting Linker setup 8:38:00 Done 1.5 minutes. To be fair its a bit faster machine, but not that much faster. -- _____________________________________ John Andersen
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Ed Harrison
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