Frustratin with Athlon, MSI and NVidia GeForce4
... and I though this was gonna be a piece o cake. <hah> Never is I guess. I have the athlon kernel that recognizes the VIA chipset (MSI KT4 Ultra) and since installing that the DVDRom no longer works in DMA mode. <wince>. I canntot get the nvidia driver to work with this system. I had this card working in a PII400 system, but was running up against the old technology wall so I decided to upgrade and let my buds talk me into trying AMD... BIG mistake I think. I'm goin' backwards here, I think. Anyone have any advice for a frustrated old SuSE user who just wants to be able to us 3D accelleration again, with a liittle speed? MoBo:MSI KT4 Ultra CPU: Athlon XP 1600 RAM PC2700 (256MB) AGP: ASUS Geforce 4 MX 9180 TD (NVidia) I'm open for suggestions, stupid things I forgot, new ideas... etc. Thanks for taking the time.... -- OnLine Exchange http://www.ole.net Phone: 313-526-1111 Fax: 313-526-3333
I have never had any problems with any version of suse from 5.3 on up to 8.1 with amd chips. have had amd chips from the k6 , k6-2 300, k6-2 450 , then athlon 850 an 1400 athlon. never once did I have any problems with the stock suse kernel. I have not tried the kernels that are compiled for athlons but know others have an had no problems. can not help with the ASUS Geforce 4 MX 9180 TD (NVidia) card though. I prefer asus motherboards myself. jack
MoBo:MSI KT4 Ultra CPU: Athlon XP 1600 RAM PC2700 (256MB) AGP: ASUS Geforce 4 MX 9180 TD (NVidia)
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On Tue, Feb 18, 2003 at 06:59:48PM -0600, Jack Malone wrote:
I have never had any problems with any version of suse from 5.3 on up to 8.1 with amd chips. have had amd chips from the k6 , k6-2 300, k6-2 450 , then athlon 850 an 1400 athlon. never once did I have any problems with the stock suse kernel. I have not tried the kernels that are compiled for athlons but know others have an had no problems.
can not help with the ASUS Geforce 4 MX 9180 TD (NVidia) card though. I prefer asus motherboards myself.
ASUS used to make nice MoBos but lately.... That's why I wanted to try the MSI stuff... Ah.. I have succeeded. I went back to version 1.0-3123 src.rpm and rebuilt and re-installed them. Voila. 3D acceleration works... at least well enough. Now to fix that non-DMA mode with the DVD. Thanks. -- Brad Shelton On Line Exchange http://ole.net Phone: 313-526-1111 Fax: 313-526-3333
Sorry I can't contribute much except the details of my experience here. I believe there may be a serious problem with SuSE and nVidia nForce2 chipset. To date, I've gotten nothing responsive from Asus nor nVidia nor SuSE. Bought the Asus A7N8X motherboard (nVidia nForce2 chipset) to build a friend a system with Athlon 1800 and 1 gig ram. The GeForce4 video card is AGP card. Partitioned his 160 gigs hd as 120 for xp because that's what he wanted and 40 for SuSE because I wanted him to experience Linux. Set it to boot Linux from floppy no problem. Booted into KDE3 fine. The big problems were no network and no audio. Even after installing the rpm from the cd that came with the m/b, still no go. Tried downloading and installing nVidia's rpm's and they refused to install. Said they would corrupt the kernel. And Asus webpage says they aren't relevant to Asus m/b anyhow. Email to Asus took 5 days for a response and all I got was a voice support number and a fax number. The fax number fails and fax machine reports an error. The voice number was answered by a man who assigned a case number, said there were 9 customer svc reps and for me to wait 2 hours. So I'm still waiting 2 days later. Today he said they were just too busy to get back to me. One big problem is that nVidia won't release the source code to build a GPL driver for the nvidia network device. On the A7N8X deluxe there are 2 network cards build into motherboard. The other's a 3com 3c92x. People using RedHat and Mandrake have reported that they managed to install drivers for the 3com ethernet. Some have gotten audio working too and seem happy with the motherboard. As far as I call tell, nforce2's a big waste of time for SuSE users and seriously question whether it's worth the effort to go Mandrake or RH. The steps involved for RH essentially come down to creating a new kernel and driver set. Several people have detailed the steps needed on their websites. SuSE seems to build the correct (AMD) kernel. Tom
On Tue, Feb 18, 2003 at 06:59:48PM -0600, Jack Malone wrote:
I have never had any problems with any version of suse from 5.3 on up to 8.1 with amd chips. have had amd chips from the k6 , k6-2 300, k6-2 450 , then athlon 850 an 1400 athlon. never once did I have any problems with the stock suse kernel. I have not tried the kernels that are compiled for athlons but know others have an had no problems.
can not help with the ASUS Geforce 4 MX 9180 TD (NVidia) card though. I prefer asus motherboards myself.
ASUS used to make nice MoBos but lately.... That's why I wanted to try the MSI stuff...
Ah.. I have succeeded. I went back to version 1.0-3123 src.rpm and rebuilt and re-installed them. Voila. 3D acceleration works... at least well enough. Now to fix that non-DMA mode with the DVD.
Thanks.
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On Friday 21 February 2003 01:02, Tom Nicholson wrote:
Tried downloading and installing nVidia's rpm's and they refused to install. Said they would corrupt the kernel.
Corrupt? What exactly did it say? Could it have said "taint"? If it said "taint", that is not an error message. That's just a very childish message from the kernel developers, and all it means is that the driver you're trying to install isn't licensed under the GPL.
Yes, it actually was taint, not corrupt. I was paraphrasing rather than quoting. And it further said that the failure could be owing to incorrect irq / io which don't help me a lot because it's got to co-exist with winxp cuz that's all that Joe cares about ( as yet :-)
On Friday 21 February 2003 01:02, Tom Nicholson wrote:
Tried downloading and installing nVidia's rpm's and they refused to install. Said they would corrupt the kernel.
Corrupt? What exactly did it say? Could it have said "taint"?
If it said "taint", that is not an error message. That's just a very childish message from the kernel developers, and all it means is that the driver you're trying to install isn't licensed under the GPL.
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That's just a very childish message from the kernel developers,
That's anything but childish. Calling it tainted might be debatable but its purpose is to make clear that this is a binary only module that does not carry the GP license and that you're on your own if errors occur. Philipp -- Philipp Thomas work: pthomas@suse.de Development SuSE Linux AG private: pth@t-link.de
Dear Tom, Is that you who initially posted problem with Athlon, MSI and NVidia GeForce4? If yes, please read carefully. 1) The choice of Athlon and nForce2 chipset was wrong from the beginning. nForce2 chipset is not widely used by Linux users (in fact, it is quite rare chipset), and therefore, its kernel support may not be adequate (or it lags far behind compared with Intel chipset support). 2) Probably you have to manually load proprietary nVidia drivers with insmod, and the configure network. I am not sure about the sound. 3) I am also have unhappy experience with AthlonXP and VIA chipset. ALL problems and artifacts have gone after I have replaced m/b with AMD 761 chipset. 4) If you want less headache, just use Intel P4 and Intel chipsets. ********************************************* * Best Regards --- Andrei Verovski * * Personal Home Page * http://snow.prohosting.com/guru4mac * Mac, Linux, DTP, Development, IT WEB Site ********************************************* On Friday, Feb 21, 2003, at 02:02 Europe/Helsinki, Tom Nicholson wrote:
Sorry I can't contribute much except the details of my experience here. I believe there may be a serious problem with SuSE and nVidia nForce2 chipset. To date, I've gotten nothing responsive from Asus nor nVidia nor SuSE.
Bought the Asus A7N8X motherboard (nVidia nForce2 chipset) to build a friend a system with Athlon 1800 and 1 gig ram. The GeForce4 video card is AGP card. Partitioned his 160 gigs hd as 120 for xp because that's what he wanted and 40 for SuSE because I wanted him to experience Linux.
Set it to boot Linux from floppy no problem. Booted into KDE3 fine. The big problems were no network and no audio. Even after installing the rpm from the cd that came with the m/b, still no go. Tried downloading and installing nVidia's rpm's and they refused to install. Said they would corrupt the kernel. And Asus webpage says they aren't relevant to Asus m/b anyhow.
Email to Asus took 5 days for a response and all I got was a voice support number and a fax number. The fax number fails and fax machine reports an error. The voice number was answered by a man who assigned a case number, said there were 9 customer svc reps and for me to wait 2 hours. So I'm still waiting 2 days later. Today he said they were just too busy to get back to me.
One big problem is that nVidia won't release the source code to build a GPL driver for the nvidia network device. On the A7N8X deluxe there are 2 network cards build into motherboard. The other's a 3com 3c92x.
People using RedHat and Mandrake have reported that they managed to install drivers for the 3com ethernet. Some have gotten audio working too and seem happy with the motherboard.
As far as I call tell, nforce2's a big waste of time for SuSE users and seriously question whether it's worth the effort to go Mandrake or RH. The steps involved for RH essentially come down to creating a new kernel and driver set. Several people have detailed the steps needed on their websites. SuSE seems to build the correct (AMD) kernel. Tom
Yes, it's me and thanks for the tip. I'm definitely looking at other chipsets. (and distros.) And as to your thoughts on what's required for nforce, I've done everything I think reasonable. Insmod fails with error messages as I've reported. The drivers build, yielding nvnet.o and nvaudio.o, etc. however entries in /etc/modules remain #'ed out (after rpm updates.) The modules fail to load at command line and complain about tainting the kernel. I didn't try the tar.gz method because the instructions for it involve rebuilding a new suse kernel. And I don't think the suse kernel is the problem. The yast installer selects the chipset nforce and builds for amd + nforce. I may try it later, but I had to go ahead and deliver the built system Thursday to its owner. winxp installs easily and runs fast on nforce. It shouldn't involve hand-wringing and gut-wrenching failures to install a second hd or partition and boot Suse Linux as a 2nd os. If you look at nv News Forum (www.nvnews.net) you'll see others who have posted re: installing for nforce and nforce2 chipsets. The ones who are getting them to work are redhat and mandrake. I don't think there's one suse post, maybe one, mine. There are at least two websites mentioned whose authors have put up long, elaborate instructions on how to get things to work on other distros. I guess downloading redhat or mandrake is the only option for me for now. Both of them have their quirks and limitations too. And suse has the best documentation and normally the best installation of all I've tried.
Dear Tom,
Is that you who initially posted problem with Athlon, MSI and NVidia GeForce4?
If yes, please read carefully.
1) The choice of Athlon and nForce2 chipset was wrong from the beginning. nForce2 chipset is not widely used by Linux users (in fact, it is quite rare chipset), and therefore, its kernel support may not be adequate (or it lags far behind compared with Intel chipset support).
2) Probably you have to manually load proprietary nVidia drivers with insmod, and the configure network. I am not sure about the sound.
3) I am also have unhappy experience with AthlonXP and VIA chipset. ALL problems and artifacts have gone after I have replaced m/b with AMD 761 chipset.
4) If you want less headache, just use Intel P4 and Intel chipsets.
********************************************* * Best Regards --- Andrei Verovski * * Personal Home Page * http://snow.prohosting.com/guru4mac * Mac, Linux, DTP, Development, IT WEB Site *********************************************
On Friday, Feb 21, 2003, at 02:02 Europe/Helsinki, Tom Nicholson wrote:
Sorry I can't contribute much except the details of my experience here. I believe there may be a serious problem with SuSE and nVidia nForce2 chipset. To date, I've gotten nothing responsive from Asus nor nVidia nor SuSE.
Bought the Asus A7N8X motherboard (nVidia nForce2 chipset) to build a friend a system with Athlon 1800 and 1 gig ram. The GeForce4 video card is AGP card. Partitioned his 160 gigs hd as 120 for xp because that's what he wanted and 40 for SuSE because I wanted him to experience Linux.
Set it to boot Linux from floppy no problem. Booted into KDE3 fine. The big problems were no network and no audio. Even after installing the rpm from the cd that came with the m/b, still no go. Tried downloading and installing nVidia's rpm's and they refused to install. Said they would corrupt the kernel. And Asus webpage says they aren't relevant to Asus m/b anyhow.
Email to Asus took 5 days for a response and all I got was a voice support number and a fax number. The fax number fails and fax machine reports an error. The voice number was answered by a man who assigned a case number, said there were 9 customer svc reps and for me to wait 2 hours. So I'm still waiting 2 days later. Today he said they were just too busy to get back to me.
One big problem is that nVidia won't release the source code to build a GPL driver for the nvidia network device. On the A7N8X deluxe there are 2 network cards build into motherboard. The other's a 3com 3c92x.
People using RedHat and Mandrake have reported that they managed to install drivers for the 3com ethernet. Some have gotten audio working too and seem happy with the motherboard.
As far as I call tell, nforce2's a big waste of time for SuSE users and seriously question whether it's worth the effort to go Mandrake or RH. The steps involved for RH essentially come down to creating a new kernel and driver set. Several people have detailed the steps needed on their websites. SuSE seems to build the correct (AMD) kernel. Tom
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Hi, Tom, The reason insmod fails (90% sure) is that nVidia RPMs had to be rebuilt from src.rpm with current kernel source headers (do not forget to run "cloneconfig; make dep" first. Please note you do not need to rebuild the kernel itself. Also, it is a good idea to update kerenl/kernel source themselves from official SuSE update directory. Please note that after installing kernel modules yo need to run "depmod -a" first. Quite possible that you have to edit /etc/modules.conf manually. On Saturday, Feb 22, 2003, at 01:21 Europe/Helsinki, Tom Nicholson wrote:
Yes, it's me and thanks for the tip. I'm definitely looking at other chipsets. (and distros.) And as to your thoughts on what's required for nforce, I've done everything I think reasonable. Insmod fails with error messages as I've reported. The drivers build, yielding nvnet.o and nvaudio.o, etc. however entries in /etc/modules remain #'ed out (after rpm updates.) The modules fail to load at command line and complain about tainting the kernel. I didn't try the tar.gz method because the instructions for it involve rebuilding a new suse kernel. And I don't think the suse kernel is the problem. The yast installer selects the chipset nforce and builds for amd + nforce. I may try it later, but I had to go ahead and deliver the built system Thursday to its owner.
winxp installs easily and runs fast on nforce. It shouldn't involve hand-wringing and gut-wrenching failures to install a second hd or partition and boot Suse Linux as a 2nd os.
If you look at nv News Forum (www.nvnews.net) you'll see others who have posted re: installing for nforce and nforce2 chipsets. The ones who are getting them to work are redhat and mandrake. I don't think there's one suse post, maybe one, mine. There are at least two websites mentioned whose authors have put up long, elaborate instructions on how to get things to work on other distros. I guess downloading redhat or mandrake is the only option for me for now. Both of them have their quirks and limitations too. And suse has the best documentation and normally the best installation of all I've tried.
Dear Tom,
Is that you who initially posted problem with Athlon, MSI and NVidia GeForce4?
If yes, please read carefully.
1) The choice of Athlon and nForce2 chipset was wrong from the beginning. nForce2 chipset is not widely used by Linux users (in fact, it is quite rare chipset), and therefore, its kernel support may not be adequate (or it lags far behind compared with Intel chipset support).
2) Probably you have to manually load proprietary nVidia drivers with insmod, and the configure network. I am not sure about the sound.
3) I am also have unhappy experience with AthlonXP and VIA chipset. ALL problems and artifacts have gone after I have replaced m/b with AMD 761 chipset.
4) If you want less headache, just use Intel P4 and Intel chipsets.
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