Re: [SLE] Best place to get SuSE 7.1
On Tue, 13 Feb 2001, you wrote:
Well I don't know where you come from, but I live in Munich and it's been in all the bookstores and computershops since Saturday.
Sorry, I should have been more specific, I live in central Pennsylvania (USA), I doubt I will see it in local stores any time soon. However, a few did carry the SuSE 7.0 personal edition - none had the professional edition. joe
Dear All and Joe, I suppose the only way to have the thing in the shops the exact same day as it appears in shops near SuSE HQ would be to make everyone in Europe wait until the distribution was fully in place across the whole of the continental US - maybe a bit hard to do. Then I guess Brazilian and New Zealand users could demand the same thing. I'm not trying to be annoying here - what I'm really getting at is to remind all friends in the States to keep badgering their government to be a bit less xenophobic when it comes to imports and exports, whether human or on CD. The reason I say this is that everyone outside the US is usually on this end of the stick, i.e. having to wait ages for things US users / readers / filmgoers / listeners have had for months or even years. The whole crypto mess is a good example. So c'mon guys, you're in one of the world's biggest democracies, pester those congressmen into taking a wider and more open view. Best to all on both sides of the shining sea, Fergus On Tuesday 13 February 2001 10:44, you wrote:
On Tue, 13 Feb 2001, you wrote:
Well I don't know where you come from, but I live in Munich and it's been in all the bookstores and computershops since Saturday.
Sorry, I should have been more specific, I live in central Pennsylvania (USA), I doubt I will see it in local stores any time soon. However, a few did carry the SuSE 7.0 personal edition - none had the professional edition.
joe
At 11:14 AM 2/13/2001 +0000, you wrote:
Dear All and Joe,
..... So c'mon guys, you're in one of the world's biggest democracies, pester those congressmen into taking a wider and more open view.
Unfortunately, it does NOT work that way. Democracy is a delusion in the mind of man. If it worked, we wouldn't have things like the DMCA, or crypto export laws. If people actually used their heads (which is a basic premise of democracy - it assumes people can think), we wouldn't even have a patent office.
Best to all on both sides of the shining sea, Fergus
On Tuesday 13 February 2001 10:44, you wrote:
On Tue, 13 Feb 2001, you wrote:
Well I don't know where you come from, but I live in Munich and it's been in all the bookstores and computershops since Saturday.
Sorry, I should have been more specific, I live in central Pennsylvania (USA), I doubt I will see it in local stores any time soon. However, a few did carry the SuSE 7.0 personal edition - none had the professional edition.
joe
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Thats a bit fatalistic :-). I'd say Democracy requires the following: Well educated populace (guess the West is now failing at least on that) Majority participation of the populace at all time, not just around election time (guess that one is messed up too). Matt On Tue, 13 Feb 2001, Jonathan Wilson wrote:
At 11:14 AM 2/13/2001 +0000, you wrote:
Dear All and Joe,
..... So c'mon guys, you're in one of the world's biggest democracies, pester those congressmen into taking a wider and more open view.
Unfortunately, it does NOT work that way. Democracy is a delusion in the mind of man. If it worked, we wouldn't have things like the DMCA, or crypto export laws. If people actually used their heads (which is a basic premise of democracy - it assumes people can think), we wouldn't even have a patent office.
Best to all on both sides of the shining sea, Fergus
On Tuesday 13 February 2001 10:44, you wrote:
On Tue, 13 Feb 2001, you wrote:
Well I don't know where you come from, but I live in Munich and it's been in all the bookstores and computershops since Saturday.
Sorry, I should have been more specific, I live in central Pennsylvania (USA), I doubt I will see it in local stores any time soon. However, a few did carry the SuSE 7.0 personal edition - none had the professional edition.
joe
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Matthew wrote:
Thats a bit fatalistic :-). I'd say Democracy requires the following: Well educated populace (guess the West is now failing at least on that) We are? :-) Just look at "Who Wants To Be A Millionaire"
Majority participation of the populace at all time, not just around election time (guess that one is messed up too). What do you mean? Just look how we used Florida to get everyone involved :-)
Damon Register
On Tue, Feb 13, 2001 at 01:59:05PM -0500 or thereabouts, Damon Register wrote: All of you will have to forgive me, but the last 3 or so messages on the above topic have absolutely nothing to do with any technical aspect of SuSE, or on any help topic at all. This is sounding more like a chat group as each day goes by.
Matthew wrote:
Thats a bit fatalistic :-). I'd say Democracy requires the following: Well educated populace (guess the West is now failing at least on that) We are? :-) Just look at "Who Wants To Be A Millionaire"
Majority participation of the populace at all time, not just around election time (guess that one is messed up too). What do you mean? Just look how we used Florida to get everyone involved :-)
Damon Register
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Is sure beets the heck out of those pesky numeric pages going to the list From: etkatha@gmx.de To: suse-linux-e@suse.com Subject: [SLE] 20010213202306 20010213202306 At 01:23 PM 2/13/2001 -0600, Gary wrote:
On Tue, Feb 13, 2001 at 01:59:05PM -0500 or thereabouts, Damon Register wrote:
All of you will have to forgive me, but the last 3 or so messages on the above topic have absolutely nothing to do with any technical aspect of SuSE, or on any help topic at all. This is sounding more like a chat group as each day goes by.
Matthew wrote:
Thats a bit fatalistic :-). I'd say Democracy requires the following: Well educated populace (guess the West is now failing at least on that) We are? :-) Just look at "Who Wants To Be A Millionaire"
Majority participation of the populace at all time, not just around election time (guess that one is messed up too). What do you mean? Just look how we used Florida to get everyone involved :-)
Damon Register
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I second that, and besides the chat is -as often on this list- extremely US-centric. (Ooops, I'm OT meself!) tisdag 13 februari 2001 20:23 skrev Gary:
On Tue, Feb 13, 2001 at 01:59:05PM -0500 or thereabouts, Damon Register wrote:
All of you will have to forgive me, but the last 3 or so messages on the above topic have absolutely nothing to do with any technical aspect of SuSE, or on any help topic at all. This is sounding more like a chat group as each day goes by.
Matthew wrote:
Thats a bit fatalistic :-). I'd say Democracy requires the following: Well educated populace (guess the West is now failing at least on that)
We are? :-) Just look at "Who Wants To Be A Millionaire"
Majority participation of the populace at all time, not just around election time (guess that one is messed up too).
What do you mean? Just look how we used Florida to get everyone involved :-)
Damon Register
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Gary wrote:
On Tue, Feb 13, 2001 at 01:59:05PM -0500 or thereabouts, Damon Register wrote:
All of you will have to forgive me, but the last 3 or so messages on the above topic have absolutely nothing to do with any technical aspect of SuSE, or on any help topic at all. This is sounding more like a chat group as each day goes by.
Matthew wrote:
Thats a bit fatalistic :-). I'd say Democracy requires the following: Well educated populace (guess the West is now failing at least on that)
We are? :-) Just look at "Who Wants To Be A Millionaire"
Majority participation of the populace at all time, not just around election time (guess that one is messed up too).
What do you mean? Just look how we used Florida to get everyone involved :-)
Damon Register
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Well, it may sound that way because this is a general SuSE Linux mailing list. There is no charter stating what can and cannot be discussed on the list. Personally, I prefer it that way. It maintains a sense of community. Victor Cardona
Right! We don't have 'casual Friday' on this list. Every day is casual... ;-) JLK On Tuesday 13 February 2001 23:53, Victor R. Cardona wrote:
Gary wrote:
On Tue, Feb 13, 2001 at 01:59:05PM -0500 or thereabouts, Damon Register wrote:
All of you will have to forgive me, but the last 3 or so messages on the above topic have absolutely nothing to do with any technical aspect of SuSE, or on any help topic at all. This is sounding more like a chat group as each day goes by.
Matthew wrote:
Thats a bit fatalistic :-). I'd say Democracy requires the following: Well educated populace (guess the West is now failing at least on that)
We are? :-) Just look at "Who Wants To Be A Millionaire"
Majority participation of the populace at all time, not just around election time (guess that one is messed up too).
What do you mean? Just look how we used Florida to get everyone involved :-)
Damon Register
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Well, it may sound that way because this is a general SuSE Linux mailing list. There is no charter stating what can and cannot be discussed on the list.
Personally, I prefer it that way. It maintains a sense of community.
Victor Cardona
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I know this is way OT, but has anyone noticed there is a small, but a growing number of people on this list who attack democracy, or hint that socialism is better? It seems that it is a disturbing trend - if those who already think that the oss movement is socialist, see such posts, it could certainly hurt Open Source. -Tim ----------------------------------------------------------------- Timothy R. Butler Universal Networks Information Tech. Consultant Christian Web Services Since 1996 ICQ #12495932 AIM: Uninettm An Authorized IPSwitch Reseller tbutler@uninetsolutions.com http://www.uninetsolutions.com ============== "Information Powered by Innovation" ==============
At 09:34 PM 2/13/2001 -0600, you wrote:
I know this is way OT, but has anyone noticed there is a small, but a growing number of people on this list who attack democracy, or hint that socialism is better? It seems that it is a disturbing trend - if those who already think that the oss movement is socialist, see such posts, it could certainly hurt Open Source.
Please note that not everyone who's not amused by democracy advocates socialism. For that matter, even if there, don't forget that not everyone on the list is from the US and Western Countries. Even if they are, they may not share you views. And for the record, I was not "attacking" democracy in any sense that would infer I'd like to do away with it.
-Tim
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Jonathan, I wasn't necessarily saying you were advocating socialism - others have, however. I do wonder about even discontent with democracy. It's certainly the best of the governmental systems out (IMO), save theocracy which is something that hasn't happened _yet_. Now, I'm going to go over to the corner and be quite, before I get in trouble for being OT again. <g> -Tim ----------------------------------------------------------------- Timothy R. Butler Universal Networks ICQ #12495932 AIM: Uninettm Christian Web Services Since 1996 tbutler@uninetsolutions.com http://www.uninetsolutions.com ============== "Information Powered by Innovation" ============== "If the atheists are right, I'll never know, but if I'm right, they will definitely know!"
Tim, Socialism is not better than democracy any more than an apple is better than an orange. Democracy is a terrible political system. Its only selling point is that its better than all the others. Socialism is an economic system that tries to balance self interest with the interest of the community. One might compare socialism with communism which places an inordinate emphasis on the community or capitalism which exalts the individual. Try comparing democracy to autocracy or anarchy. You might find that more helpful. If this sounds like a flame I'm sorry. I'm new to this e-mail stuff. thank you, Peter "Timothy R. Butler" wrote:
I know this is way OT, but has anyone noticed there is a small, but a growing number of people on this list who attack democracy, or hint that socialism is better? It seems that it is a disturbing trend - if those who already think that the oss movement is socialist, see such posts, it could certainly hurt Open Source.
-Tim
I have a friend, an assistant carpenter, who lives in Poland. What is the most reliable (and economical) way to send him a copy of SuSE 7.1? I was thinking perhaps of purchasing it via CC in Europe and mailing or FedXing it to his house. Any feel for what it would cost? BTW, Democracy may be dilusional, but its the best going form of political delusion I've seen, heard, read about or lived. It beats the dilusions the Chinese live under, or the Cuban version, or the old "workers utopia" in the USSR. Now those were REAL dilusions. JLK On Tuesday 13 February 2001 11:53, Jonathan Wilson wrote:
At 11:14 AM 2/13/2001 +0000, you wrote:
Dear All and Joe,
..... So c'mon guys, you're in one of the world's biggest democracies, pester those congressmen into taking a wider and more open view.
Unfortunately, it does NOT work that way. Democracy is a delusion in the mind of man. If it worked, we wouldn't have things like the DMCA, or crypto export laws. If people actually used their heads (which is a basic premise of democracy - it assumes people can think), we wouldn't even have a patent office.
Best to all on both sides of the shining sea, Fergus
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At 04:50 PM 2/13/2001 -0600, you wrote:
BTW, Democracy may be dilusional, but its the best going form of political delusion I've seen, heard, read about or lived. It beats the dilusions the Chinese live under, or the Cuban version, or the old "workers utopia" in the USSR. Now those were REAL dilusions. JLK
I would like to point out that I do not know of a better way to run a government, and I'm not suggesting the use of a differ ant method. It's just that some people think it works better then it really does. I must say that Kingship has worked really well a few times, when there's someone who knows what their doing in charge...sadly, a king that knows something is even less common then a populace that knows something ;-)
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