[opensuse] How to empty KDE4 start menu favorites?
Hello: This is in openSUSE 13.2 with its default KDE4 (4.14.3). Unfortunately KDE4 doesn't offer "most frequently used applications" in its start menu/application lancher/kickoff menu. Therefore I must use Favorites menu, delete default entries, and populate it with my favorites. I can't manage to delete the default entries. I read that right click context menu offers removing item from favorites; it doesn't for me; OK I used the classic menu style, I have to switch to Application Launcher style to have that option. I delete all entries. OK, favorites is empty. I switch back to classic menu style and the items are still there. I delete them again, but this time I log out, log in. The items are still/again in the Favorites menu - even in the Application Launcher style mode. How can I fix this one? Thanks, Istvan -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 01/23/2015 09:39 AM, Istvan Gabor wrote:
Unfortunately KDE4 doesn't offer "most frequently used applications" in its start menu/application lancher/kickoff menu.
Unlock the widgets Right click the launcher icon and select... Switch to Classic Menu style Again right click the launcher Icon and select Application launcher settings In the resultant pop-up make sure Recently uses applications is checked, maybe recent documents as well, and hit the wrench to adjust how many are shown. Launch a few apps a few times to make sure the recent is showing up. Then switch back to launcher style you had before. And the recent tab is showing on the bottom right of the new style launcher. And it keeps being updated as you use the new style launcher. Relock your widgets. I seldom use the new style launcher. -- After all is said and done, more is said than done. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
John Andersen írta:
On 01/23/2015 09:39 AM, Istvan Gabor wrote:
Unfortunately KDE4 doesn't offer "most frequently used applications" in its start menu/application lancher/kickoff menu.
Unlock the widgets Right click the launcher icon and select... Switch to Classic Menu style
Again right click the launcher Icon and select Application launcher settings In the resultant pop-up make sure Recently uses applications is checked, maybe recent documents as
I know all of this, but I don't need recently used applications, it's useless for me. I mentioned I miss most frequently used applications which is a different thing, I guess you know the difference. (If not: KDE3 counts how many times an application is started from the kicker menu; those which are started most times are put on the top of the menu (not in a submenu). If I start firefox 50 times it won't be replaced by the last started application which I use only occasionally. Most recently used applications replaces items every time an application is started, that is firefox will be replaced by the last used application even if I start it once. The removal of most frequently used applications from KDE4 is one of its enhancement features.) A workaround could be the use of favorites menu where I can put manually those applications which would go to most frequently used applications automatically. (Not a full solution since navigating to Favorites -> wanted application requires more complex mouse navigation than selecting an application at the top of the menu list, furthermore I have to maintain the list manually.)
well, and hit the wrench to adjust how many are shown.
Launch a few apps a few times to make sure the recent is showing up. Then switch back to launcher style you had before.
And the recent tab is showing on the bottom right of the new style launcher. And it keeps being updated as you use the new style launcher.
Relock your widgets. I seldom use the new style launcher.
I still have no idea how I can remove the default/existing items from the favorites menu. Could you please help with this one? Thanks, Istvan -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 01/23/2015 02:18 PM, John Andersen wrote:
I seldom use the new style launcher.
I almost agreed with you but then I realized * I've edited my "favourites". * I use the 'fill in the blank' to find the command I want. Yes, I could use Alt-F2, but I have my windows-compatible keyboard set up so the key beside the space bar with the MS-Windows logo brings up the menu. Yes I could have it as an alias to Alt-F2 as well. And yes I have the other one bring up a context menu. KDE4 is wonderfully configurable like this, if you take the time to research and and experiment. -- /"\ \ / ASCII Ribbon Campaign X Against HTML Mail / \ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Anton Aylward írta:
On 01/23/2015 02:18 PM, John Andersen wrote:
I seldom use the new style launcher.
I almost agreed with you but then I realized
* I've edited my "favourites". * I use the 'fill in the blank' to find the command I want.
I don't know what is "fill in the blank". Do you mean the search bar in the new style application window? It is useful if you know the name of the program you are searching for, else...
Yes, I could use Alt-F2, but I have my windows-compatible keyboard set up so the key beside the space bar with the MS-Windows logo brings up the menu. Yes I could have it as an alias to Alt-F2 as well. And yes I have the other one bring up a context menu.
I don't understand this, but it maybe off topic, I guess. The faster way to start application from the start menu is click the kickoff icon, move the pointer in one direction only, let's say upward, onto an icon and click on that icon. Every other method, when you have to move the mouse vertically and horizontally several time and click more than once is more tedious and slower. Therefore having favorite applications in the main menu is the most effective. KDE3 offered this as most frequently used application above the menu items. KDE4 does not have this options. I have filed feature request at kdebugs.org 3 monts ago, guess what? It even hasn't been looked at a KDE4 developer. See: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=339907 Regards, Istvan -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
* Istvan Gabor <suseuser04@freemail.hu> [01-24-15 13:57]: Your chosen editor for email does not word-wrap. Please adjust.
The faster way to start application from the start menu is click the kickoff icon, move the pointer in one direction only, let's say upward, onto an icon and click on that icon. Every other method, when you have to move the mouse vertically and horizontally several time and click more than once is more tedious and slower. Therefore having favorite applications in the main menu is the most effective.
The first, left most page is "Favorites", is the first presented and is configuragle to hold your choices and by your definition is "most effective". But it is not "above" the other menu items so is more effective than your definition.
KDE3 offered this as most frequently used application above the menu items. KDE4 does not have this options. I have filed feature request at kdebugs.org 3 monts ago, guess what? It even hasn't been looked at a KDE4 developer. See:
And rightfully so, the "feature" is there and is the "default" appearance as installed. Someone "should" reject it as an already provided feature. -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member facebook/ptilopteri http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://linuxcounter.net -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Patrick Shanahan írta:
* Istvan Gabor <suseuser04@freemail.hu> [01-24-15 13:57]:
Your chosen editor for email does not word-wrap. Please adjust.
I'd do but I don't know how to do it. It is a webmail application.
The faster way to start application from the start menu is click the kickoff icon, move the pointer in one direction only, let's say upward, onto an icon and click on that icon. Every other method, when you have to move the mouse vertically and horizontally several time and click more than once is more tedious and slower. Therefore having favorite applications in the main menu is the most effective.
The first, left most page is "Favorites", is the first presented and is configuragle to hold your choices and by your definition is "most effective".
Yes it is. Until you don't have to scroll in the list it is the most effective. But this applies to Applications Lanucher Style mode and I discussed Classic Menu Style mode.
But it is not "above" the other menu items so is more effective than your definition.
I guess the exact location is not important until the whole group can be easily distinguished from other menu items. Can be a top group or a bottom group. Bottom group is closer, less mouse movement, top group more mouse movement but might be easier to target.
KDE3 offered this as most frequently used application above the menu items. KDE4 does not have this options. I have filed feature request at kdebugs.org 3 monts ago, guess what? It even hasn't been looked at a KDE4 developer. See:
And rightfully so, the "feature" is there and is the "default" appearance as installed. Someone "should" reject it as an already provided feature.
Firts, I mention Classic Menu Style mode, not the default. Second, even the default mode does not have the this option. Favorites is a static list of applications while most frequently used application is a dynamic list based on the user's activity. You haven't read what I wrote there. Third, if - as you suggest - something what is not default shouldn't be supported then it would be enough one default look and behavior for everything, the default one - one color style, one icon style, one layout for how the icons ordered etc. No other options for anything since it is not default. Istvan Istvan -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 01/24/2015 02:31 PM, Istvan Gabor wrote:
The first, left most page is "Favorites", is the first presented and is configuragle to hold your choices and by your definition is "most effective".
Yes it is. Until you don't have to scroll in the list it is the most effective. But this applies to Applications Lanucher Style mode and I discussed Classic Menu Style mode.
The height of the "menu" is configurable. OK, not indefinitely so, but I've added more to my 'favourites' and rather than scroll I've increased the height so that they are all visible. Have you tried the 'Lancelot laucher'? Looks quite different. It has a 'usage statistics' option... I don't know what that does. -- /"\ \ / ASCII Ribbon Campaign X Against HTML Mail / \ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 01/24/2015 01:55 PM, Istvan Gabor wrote:
Anton Aylward írta:
On 01/23/2015 02:18 PM, John Andersen wrote:
I seldom use the new style launcher.
I almost agreed with you but then I realized
* I've edited my "favourites". * I use the 'fill in the blank' to find the command I want.
I don't know what is "fill in the blank". Do you mean the search bar in the new style application window? It is useful if you know the name of the program you are searching for, else...
The difference between an old CLI and a search bar is 'incremental' or partial matches. I don't have to enter 'ksnapshot', I only need to enter 'ks' and it searches and tells me ... I can, as I said "FIND" the command I want.
Yes, I could use Alt-F2, but I have my windows-compatible keyboard set up so the key beside the space bar with the MS-Windows logo brings up the menu. Yes I could have it as an alias to Alt-F2 as well. And yes I have the other one bring up a context menu.
I don't understand this, but it maybe off topic, I guess.
Ah. When I said I had configured my keyboard so the windows button bought up the kickoff application launcher from the bottom panel, I was expecting someone to tell me that I should have that configured as an Alias for Al-F2. Try Alt-F2, Istvan, and you'll see what I mean. Its a bit more capable in searching than the launcher since it can find man pages and more :-) Perhaps I was overly cynical; so far no-one has thought to correct me, but WTF, its the weekend :-0
The faster way to start application from the start menu is click the kickoff icon, move the pointer in one direction only, let's say upward, onto an icon and click on that icon. Every other method, when you have to move the mouse vertically and horizontally several time and click more than once is more tedious and slower. Therefore having favorite applications in the main menu is the most effective.
I follow you reasoning. However I do wonder. I did not grow up with Windows or GUIs, I'm still and bit of a CLI curmudgeon. If my hands are on the keyboard I'd like them to stay on the keyboard. If and when I move to the mouse and put more strain on my already damaged shoulder rotator cuff (a class of RSI, I suppose, but one that comes from playing rugby) your argument about up/down/left/right makes no sense to me. Perhaps one day I'll trade the mouse for a trackball. It still won't make any sense for me.
KDE3 offered this as most frequently used application above the menu items. KDE4 does not have this options. I have filed feature request at kdebugs.org 3 monts ago, guess what? It even hasn't been looked at a KDE4 developer. See:
Elsewhere I've seen this "bug/feature-request" and the response was that the underlying architecture of 4 is different enough from 3 that this can't be carried over. Life's like that. There are things here in Canada that, if I bothered myself with them, I could say I miss since I always had them when living in England. And there would be more that I'd miss if I moved to the USA.... Life's like that. Context is everything. -- /"\ \ / ASCII Ribbon Campaign X Against HTML Mail / \ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 01/23/2015 09:39 AM, Istvan Gabor wrote:
I read that right click context menu offers removing item from favorites; it doesn't for me; OK I used the classic menu style, I have to switch to Application Launcher style to have that option. I delete all entries. OK, favorites is empty. I switch back to classic menu style and the items are still there. I delete them again, but this time I log out, log in. The items are still/again in the Favorites menu - even in the Application Launcher style mode. How can I fix this one?
Ok, I misunderstood what you were complaining about. In Classic Menu Style, I have successfully removed items from favourites by navigating to that menu item in the menu tree, (not in favourites) and right click, the same way you added them into favourites. If they are already in Favourites there will be a Remove from Favourites option instead of a add option. I've confirmed that this works and survives a reboot. Its not all that obvious, but don't yell at me, I didn't write it. ;-) -- After all is said and done, more is said than done. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
John Andersen írta:
On 01/23/2015 09:39 AM, Istvan Gabor wrote:
I read that right click context menu offers removing item from favorites; it doesn't for me; OK I used the classic menu style, I have to switch to Application Launcher style to have that option. I delete all entries. OK, favorites is empty. I switch back to classic menu style and the items are still there. I delete them again, but this time I log out, log in. The items are still/again in the Favorites menu - even in the Application Launcher style mode. How can I fix this one?
Ok, I misunderstood what you were complaining about.
In Classic Menu Style, I have successfully removed items from favourites by navigating to that menu item in the menu tree, (not in favourites) and right click, the same way you added them into favourites.
If they are already in Favourites there will be a Remove from Favourites option instead of a add option.
John, Thanks to your help I could figure it out. I summarize here what I found for further reference and for who might be interested. If the start menu/kickoff is in Application Launcher Style mode: - in the Favorites menu the context menu of items (right click on item) has "Remove from Favorites" option. - the context menu of items in regular/normal menus either has "Remove from Favorites" or "Add to Favorites" depending if the given items is already in the Favorites menu or not. If the start menu/kickoff is in Classic Menu Style mode: - in the Favorites menu the context menu of items (right click on item) DOES NOT HAVE "Remove from Favorites" option. - the context menu of items in regular/normal menus either has "Remove from Favorites" or "Add to Favorites" depending if the given items is already in the Favorites menu or not. Removal of item from Favorites: Using either Application Launcher Style or Classic Menu Style mode if the Favorites menu is emptied completely (all items removed), it will be regenerated to the previous state. That is, the Favorites menu cannot be empty, is must contain at least one item. If one wants to remove all previous items he has to add at least one new item before removing old items or else the old menu items will be reinserted. I don't know if this is a bug or intended behavior (feature). Istvan -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Le 24/01/2015 14:35, Istvan Gabor a écrit :
If the start menu/kickoff is in Classic Menu Style mode: - in the Favorites menu the context menu of items (right click on item) DOES NOT HAVE "Remove from Favorites" option. - the context menu of items in regular/normal menus either has "Remove from Favorites" or "Add to Favorites" depending if the given items is already in the Favorites menu or not.
there is there an option to completely remove the favorite menu (only for this mode) and for the most used apps, I copy a link in the toolbar (right clic, add to...) jdd -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
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