[opensuse] smart on 10.2?
Hi, Is smart no longer in 10.2? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Sunday 26 November 2006 21:25, steve reilly wrote:
Hi,
Is smart no longer in 10.2?
It is on the DVD rc1 and packman has already some compiled programs for 10.2 BoB C -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Sunday 26 November 2006 21:49, Robert Cunningham wrote:
It is on the DVD rc1 and packman has already some compiled programs for 10.2
BoB C
thanks. I was looking in the zen installer, and it wasnt on that under install software..... found it under yast. but, when i check it to install it, it asks for cd1???? the dvd is in the drive for 10.2rc1, i dont have anything else,!!! im going to look at guru and see if they have anything there yet. I saw on packman they had mplayer all set for 10.2........ nice. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
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On Sunday 26 November 2006 21:49, Robert Cunningham wrote:
It is on the DVD rc1 and packman has already some compiled programs for 10.2
thanks. I was looking in the zen installer, and it wasnt on that under install software..... found it under yast. but, when i check it to install it, it asks for cd1???? the dvd is in the drive for 10.2rc1, i dont have anything else,!!!
If you prefer to use my preconfigured smart package: - - add this repository: http://ftp.skynet.be/pub/suser-guru/smart/repo/10.2/ - - install the package "smart-beta"
im going to look at guru and see if they have anything there yet. I saw on packman they had mplayer all set for 10.2........ nice.
s/they/he/ Yes, I've got plenty of packages for 10.2 Not everything yet, but it's been a few weeks I'm building everything on 10.2 as well. If you're missing something that's not built for 10.2 yet, just let me know. cheers - -- -o) Pascal Bleser http://linux01.gwdg.de/~pbleser/ /\\ <pascal.bleser@skynet.be> <guru@unixtech.be> _\_v The more things change, the more they stay insane. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFFapqYr3NMWliFcXcRAqXaAJ4ssMJv64opjvWsfjSN1b1VBXILhQCeIUL+ hknDFdUJ8h5SEbctLESOluw= =kz1g -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Monday 27 November 2006 02:58, Pascal Bleser wrote:
Yes, I've got plenty of packages for 10.2 Not everything yet, but it's been a few weeks I'm building everything on 10.2 as well. If you're missing something that's not built for 10.2 yet, just let me know.
cheers
Great!! this is exactly what I was looking for... You know how it is when you get use to using a certain method of updating, I prefer smart over rug or yast, thanks again! -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Pascal Bleser wrote:
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steve reilly wrote:
On Sunday 26 November 2006 21:49, Robert Cunningham wrote:
It is on the DVD rc1 and packman has already some compiled programs for 10.2 thanks. I was looking in the zen installer, and it wasnt on that under install software..... found it under yast. but, when i check it to install it, it asks for cd1???? the dvd is in the drive for 10.2rc1, i dont have anything else,!!!
If you prefer to use my preconfigured smart package: - - add this repository: http://ftp.skynet.be/pub/suser-guru/smart/repo/10.2/ - - install the package "smart-beta"
im going to look at guru and see if they have anything there yet. I saw on packman they had mplayer all set for 10.2........ nice.
s/they/he/
Yes, I've got plenty of packages for 10.2 Not everything yet, but it's been a few weeks I'm building everything on 10.2 as well. If you're missing something that's not built for 10.2 yet, just let me know.
cheers
Once again smart - and you, Pascal - has come to the rescue with Suse. I used your smart-beta to be able to upgrade the 10.1 RC1 last night after the @#$%&**!~ whatever is in RC1 at the moment sat for 2 hours at "99% completing download", or whatever, until I pulled the plug on the stupid thing and installed smart. Looks like a repetition of 10.1 coming with 10.2. Heaven help us :-( . Anyway, thanks for the smart-beta you put together for 10.2. Works like a dream. Cheers. -- "I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason and intellect has intended us to forgo their use." Galileo Galilei -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Thu, Nov 30, 2006 at 06:11:04PM +1100, Basil Chupin wrote:
Pascal Bleser wrote:
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steve reilly wrote:
On Sunday 26 November 2006 21:49, Robert Cunningham wrote:
It is on the DVD rc1 and packman has already some compiled programs for 10.2 thanks. I was looking in the zen installer, and it wasnt on that under install software..... found it under yast. but, when i check it to install it, it asks for cd1???? the dvd is in the drive for 10.2rc1, i dont have anything else,!!!
If you prefer to use my preconfigured smart package: - - add this repository: http://ftp.skynet.be/pub/suser-guru/smart/repo/10.2/ - - install the package "smart-beta"
im going to look at guru and see if they have anything there yet. I saw on packman they had mplayer all set for 10.2........ nice.
s/they/he/
Yes, I've got plenty of packages for 10.2 Not everything yet, but it's been a few weeks I'm building everything on 10.2 as well. If you're missing something that's not built for 10.2 yet, just let me know.
cheers
Once again smart - and you, Pascal - has come to the rescue with Suse. I used your smart-beta to be able to upgrade the 10.1 RC1 last night after the @#$%&**!~ whatever is in RC1 at the moment sat for 2 hours at "99% completing download", or whatever, until I pulled the plug on the stupid thing and installed smart. Looks like a repetition of 10.1 coming with 10.2. Heaven help us :-( .
Anyway, thanks for the smart-beta you put together for 10.2. Works like a dream.
The zen thing with 99% is fixed now. Btw, I would prefer "zypper" now ;) Ciao, Marcus -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Marcus Meissner wrote: > On Thu, Nov 30, 2006 at 06:11:04PM +1100, Basil Chupin wrote: >> Pascal Bleser wrote: >>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >>> Hash: SHA1 >>> >>> steve reilly wrote: >>>> On Sunday 26 November 2006 21:49, Robert Cunningham wrote: >>>> >>>>> It is on the DVD rc1 and packman has already some >>>>> compiled programs for 10.2 >>>> thanks. I was looking in the zen installer, and it wasnt on that under >>>> install software..... found it under yast. but, when i check it to >>>> install it, it asks for cd1???? the dvd is in the drive for 10.2rc1, i >>>> dont have anything else,!!! >>> If you prefer to use my preconfigured smart package: >>> - - add this repository: >>> http://ftp.skynet.be/pub/suser-guru/smart/repo/10.2/ >>> - - install the package "smart-beta" >>> >>>> im going to look at guru and see if they have anything there yet. I saw >>>> on packman they had mplayer all set for 10.2........ nice. >>> s/they/he/ >>> >>> Yes, I've got plenty of packages for 10.2 >>> Not everything yet, but it's been a few weeks I'm building everything on >>> 10.2 as well. >>> If you're missing something that's not built for 10.2 yet, just let me >>> know. >>> >>> cheers >> Once again smart - and you, Pascal - has come to the rescue with Suse. I >> used your smart-beta to be able to upgrade the 10.1 RC1 last night after >> the @#$%&**!~ whatever is in RC1 at the moment sat for 2 hours at "99% >> completing download", or whatever, until I pulled the plug on the stupid >> thing and installed smart. Looks like a repetition of 10.1 coming with >> 10.2. Heaven help us :-( . >> >> Anyway, thanks for the smart-beta you put together for 10.2. Works like >> a dream. > > The zen thing with 99% is fixed now. Oh great, but how is that going to get my setup to upgrade to the fixed version? I start RC1, the gizmo shows me that there are (?11) upgrades to be done, I click for it to go ahead, it starts to download something (?lybzipp?) AGAIN - it did same the night before - and then goes to sleep at the 99% mark :-) . After 2 attempts over 2 nights I got a slight case of "the vapours" and installed smart :-) . So, what you are suggesting is that if I now booted into RC1 I will find that zen/zmd/rug/zenworks (come to think of it, what *IS* the upgrading system in 10.2 called?) will now perform faultlessly and without causing me any agro? :-) This I gotta see! :-) (Incidentally, I *do* believe in Santa Claus and the Tooth Fairy.) > Btw, I would prefer "zypper" now ;) Huh-oh. What is this "zypper" thing? Where did this come from? Oh I know: more "choice to the user", right? :-) Cheers. -- "I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason and intellect has intended us to forgo their use." Galileo Galilei -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Oh great, but how is that going to get my setup to upgrade to the fixed version? I start RC1, the gizmo shows me that there are (?11) upgrades to be done, I click for it to go ahead, it starts to download something (?lybzipp?) AGAIN - it did same the night before - and then goes to sleep at the 99% mark :-) . After 2 attempts over 2 nights I got a slight case of "the vapours" and installed smart :-) .
Run yast online update or install the final version out soon.
So, what you are suggesting is that if I now booted into RC1 I will find that zen/zmd/rug/zenworks (come to think of it, what *IS* the upgrading system in 10.2 called?) will now perform faultlessly and without causing me any agro? :-) This I gotta see! :-) (Incidentally, I *do* believe in Santa Claus and the Tooth Fairy.)
Btw, I would prefer "zypper" now ;)
Huh-oh. What is this "zypper" thing? Where did this come from? Oh I know: more "choice to the user", right? :-)
Its just a commandline tool which talks directly to our packagemanagement stack without going via large C# blobs. Ciao, Marcus -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Marcus Meissner wrote:
Oh great, but how is that going to get my setup to upgrade to the fixed version? I start RC1, the gizmo shows me that there are (?11) upgrades to be done, I click for it to go ahead, it starts to download something (?lybzipp?) AGAIN - it did same the night before - and then goes to sleep at the 99% mark :-) . After 2 attempts over 2 nights I got a slight case of "the vapours" and installed smart :-) .
Run yast online update or install the final version out soon.
OK, I'll take a deep breath in about 45 minutes and.....do it - I'll boot up RC1 and run yast :-) .
So, what you are suggesting is that if I now booted into RC1 I will find that zen/zmd/rug/zenworks (come to think of it, what *IS* the upgrading system in 10.2 called?) will now perform faultlessly and without causing me any agro? :-) This I gotta see! :-) (Incidentally, I *do* believe in Santa Claus and the Tooth Fairy.)
Btw, I would prefer "zypper" now ;) Huh-oh. What is this "zypper" thing? Where did this come from? Oh I know: more "choice to the user", right? :-)
Its just a commandline tool which talks directly to our packagemanagement stack without going via large C# blobs.
Ah, it's the simple things in life which are always the best..... (Cheers. -- "I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason and intellect has intended us to forgo their use." Galileo Galilei -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 2006-11-30 01:46, Basil Chupin wrote:
Marcus Meissner wrote:
Run yast online update or install the final version out soon.
OK, I'll take a deep breath in about 45 minutes and.....do it - I'll boot up RC1 and run yast :-) .
YOU is your friend. I have the RC1 iso, but now from what Marcus says, maybe I will wait until the final is released.. or maybe I will just stick with Yast for everything (except configuring CUPS and Samba, of course -- they have much better interfaces of their own :-) -- The best way to accelerate a computer running Windows is at 9.81 m/s² -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Thu, Nov 30, 2006 at 02:10:04AM -0600, Darryl Gregorash wrote:
On 2006-11-30 01:46, Basil Chupin wrote:
Marcus Meissner wrote:
Run yast online update or install the final version out soon.
OK, I'll take a deep breath in about 45 minutes and.....do it - I'll boot up RC1 and run yast :-) .
YOU is your friend. I have the RC1 iso, but now from what Marcus says, maybe I will wait until the final is released.. or maybe I will just stick with Yast for everything (except configuring CUPS and Samba, of course -- they have much better interfaces of their own :-)
The online update will only fetch our test updates, it does not have the complete RC1->final package set. So you will need to reinstall final anyway :) Ciao, MArcus -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 2006-11-30 02:15, Marcus Meissner wrote:
<snip> So you will need to reinstall final anyway :)
That's OK, I can do that without a DVD or CD without too much hassle -- it isn't as if I would be trying to upgrade a whole OS version while the system is running :-) -- The best way to accelerate a computer running Windows is at 9.81 m/s² -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Darryl Gregorash wrote:
On 2006-11-30 01:46, Basil Chupin wrote:
Marcus Meissner wrote:
Run yast online update or install the final version out soon. OK, I'll take a deep breath in about 45 minutes and.....do it - I'll boot up RC1 and run yast :-) .
YOU is your friend. I have the RC1 iso, but now from what Marcus says, maybe I will wait until the final is released.. or maybe I will just stick with Yast for everything (except configuring CUPS and Samba, of course -- they have much better interfaces of their own :-)
YOU is not my friend - and hasn't been since 10.0. smart is my friend :-) . While I would like to see YOU (and the other THING) functional again I don't think it will happen by next Thursday when 10.2 is supposed to be officially released :-( . Cheers. -- "I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason and intellect has intended us to forgo their use." Galileo Galilei -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Thursday 30 November 2006 15:36, Basil Chupin wrote:
YOU is not my friend - and hasn't been since 10.0. smart is my friend :-) .
While I would like to see YOU (and the other THING) functional again I don't think it will happen by next Thursday when 10.2 is supposed to be officially released :-( .
I agree with this, the new Zen system although fancy is troublesome and slow takes ages to sort out updates and packages. Smart is quick and simple, even if Zen is fixed I can't see me using it on a desktop machine. Matthew -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Fri, Dec 01, 2006 at 02:36:38AM +1100, Basil Chupin wrote:
Darryl Gregorash wrote:
On 2006-11-30 01:46, Basil Chupin wrote:
Marcus Meissner wrote:
Run yast online update or install the final version out soon. OK, I'll take a deep breath in about 45 minutes and.....do it - I'll boot up RC1 and run yast :-) .
YOU is your friend. I have the RC1 iso, but now from what Marcus says, maybe I will wait until the final is released.. or maybe I will just stick with Yast for everything (except configuring CUPS and Samba, of course -- they have much better interfaces of their own :-)
YOU is not my friend - and hasn't been since 10.0. smart is my friend :-) .
While I would like to see YOU (and the other THING) functional again I don't think it will happen by next Thursday when 10.2 is supposed to be officially released :-( .
We told it to come to reason and be your friend again. Ciao, Marcus -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Marcus Meissner wrote:
On Fri, Dec 01, 2006 at 02:36:38AM +1100, Basil Chupin wrote:
Darryl Gregorash wrote:
On 2006-11-30 01:46, Basil Chupin wrote:
Marcus Meissner wrote:
Run yast online update or install the final version out soon. OK, I'll take a deep breath in about 45 minutes and.....do it - I'll boot up RC1 and run yast :-) . YOU is your friend. I have the RC1 iso, but now from what Marcus says, maybe I will wait until the final is released.. or maybe I will just stick with Yast for everything (except configuring CUPS and Samba, of course -- they have much better interfaces of their own :-) YOU is not my friend - and hasn't been since 10.0. smart is my friend :-) .
While I would like to see YOU (and the other THING) functional again I don't think it will happen by next Thursday when 10.2 is supposed to be officially released :-( .
We told it to come to reason and be your friend again.
Awww, that's nice. Will it go and fetch the stick if I throw it? :-) . Cheers. -- In a period of great joy and pleasure you are comforted by the thought that tragedy is just around the corner. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Marcus Meissner wrote: > On Thu, Nov 30, 2006 at 06:11:04PM +1100, Basil Chupin wrote: >> Pascal Bleser wrote: >>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >>> Hash: SHA1 >>> >>> steve reilly wrote: >>>> On Sunday 26 November 2006 21:49, Robert Cunningham wrote: >>>> >>>>> It is on the DVD rc1 and packman has already some >>>>> compiled programs for 10.2 >>>> thanks. I was looking in the zen installer, and it wasnt on that under >>>> install software..... found it under yast. but, when i check it to >>>> install it, it asks for cd1???? the dvd is in the drive for 10.2rc1, i >>>> dont have anything else,!!! >>> If you prefer to use my preconfigured smart package: >>> - - add this repository: >>> http://ftp.skynet.be/pub/suser-guru/smart/repo/10.2/ >>> - - install the package "smart-beta" >>> >>>> im going to look at guru and see if they have anything there yet. I saw >>>> on packman they had mplayer all set for 10.2........ nice. >>> s/they/he/ >>> >>> Yes, I've got plenty of packages for 10.2 >>> Not everything yet, but it's been a few weeks I'm building everything on >>> 10.2 as well. >>> If you're missing something that's not built for 10.2 yet, just let me >>> know. >>> >>> cheers >> Once again smart - and you, Pascal - has come to the rescue with Suse. I >> used your smart-beta to be able to upgrade the 10.1 RC1 last night after >> the @#$%&**!~ whatever is in RC1 at the moment sat for 2 hours at "99% >> completing download", or whatever, until I pulled the plug on the stupid >> thing and installed smart. Looks like a repetition of 10.1 coming with >> 10.2. Heaven help us :-( . >> >> Anyway, thanks for the smart-beta you put together for 10.2. Works like >> a dream. > The zen thing with 99% is fixed now. Sorry to disappoint you but I don't think it is. I started RC1, went to YOU, it showed that nothing is for downloading. I looked at the thingie in the taskbar (what IS it called?) and it was glowing a pretty orange so I let it go and do its thing. It showed that there were 3 Firefox files to be upgraded - "Fine", I said, "Do it". The THING went and downloaded the 3 files -- and then got stuck at 99% "Updating Software - Finishing......". I got bored with this after 1/2 hour and started smart which went away and upgraded lots of files. I don't think 'you' should even consider releasing 10.2 next week until this @#$%^&!*& upgrade manager is working properly - not unless 'you' want to hear the taunts of, "Ah, the M$ crappiness is already rubbing off on Suse!" :-) . Cheers. -- "I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason and intellect has intended us to forgo their use." Galileo Galilei -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
If you're missing something that's not built for 10.2 yet, just let me know.
cheers
Once again smart - and you, Pascal - has come to the rescue with Suse. I used your smart-beta to be able to upgrade the 10.1 RC1 last night after the @#$%&**!~ whatever is in RC1 at the moment sat for 2 hours at "99% completing download", or whatever, until I pulled the plug on the stupid thing and installed smart. Looks like a repetition of 10.1 coming with 10.2. Heaven help us :-( .
Anyway, thanks for the smart-beta you put together for 10.2. Works like a dream.
Cheers.
-- "I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason and intellect has intended us to forgo their use."
Galileo Galilei
I agree, Im thinking there is something wrong again with the updating system. Even if there isnt, its just too slow!!!! Yast is like a dinosaur, and takes 5 minutes to start up, the zen updater hangs for days if you will let it. Smart is the only package manager that works quick and flawlessly, as far as I can see. Thank you pascal, the pre configured repositories is a nice touch as well!! -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
steve reilly wrote:
If you're missing something that's not built for 10.2 yet, just let me know.
cheers Once again smart - and you, Pascal - has come to the rescue with Suse. I used your smart-beta to be able to upgrade the 10.1 RC1 last night after the @#$%&**!~ whatever is in RC1 at the moment sat for 2 hours at "99% completing download", or whatever, until I pulled the plug on the stupid thing and installed smart. Looks like a repetition of 10.1 coming with 10.2. Heaven help us :-( .
Anyway, thanks for the smart-beta you put together for 10.2. Works like
I agree, Im thinking there is something wrong again with the updating system. Even if there isnt, its just too slow!!!! Yast is like a dinosaur, and takes 5 minutes to start up, the zen updater hangs for days if you will let it. Smart is the only package manager that works quick and flawlessly, as far as I can see. Thank you pascal, the pre configured repositories is a nice touch as well!!
I'll go along with this. Cheers. -- "I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason and intellect has intended us to forgo their use." Galileo Galilei -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Thursday 30 November 2006 03:33, steve reilly wrote:
I agree, Im thinking there is something wrong again with the updating system. Even if there isnt, its just too slow!!!! Yast is like a dinosaur, and takes 5 minutes to start up, the zen updater hangs for days if you will let it. Smart is the only package manager that works quick and flawlessly, as far as I can see. Thank you pascal, the pre configured repositories is a nice touch as well!!
Yast, in my experience, is only slow if you've added lots of repositories and told Yast to update them every time it starts up. I just turn off update for repositories I'm not using and Yast speeds up a lot in startup time. I certainly agree about zen...it's very slow. I suspect it's because there are fewer zen repositories and consequently they're getting hit harder and have less bandwidth available, but this is pure speculation on my part. I certainly did'nt ask for zen, don't want it now, but am stuck with it. Bob -- Robert Smits, Ladysmith BC Email bob@rsmits.ca -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
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On Thursday 30 November 2006 03:33, steve reilly wrote:
I agree, Im thinking there is something wrong again with the updating system. Even if there isnt, its just too slow!!!! Yast is like a dinosaur, and takes 5 minutes to start up, the zen updater hangs for days if you will let it. Smart is the only package manager that works quick and flawlessly, as far as I can see. Thank you pascal, the pre configured repositories is a nice touch as well!!
Yast, in my experience, is only slow if you've added lots of repositories and told Yast to update them every time it starts up. I just turn off update for repositories I'm not using and Yast speeds up a lot in startup time.
Yes, you should definitely have a good look at what repositories ("installation sources" in yast-speak) are marked as auto-refresh. Turn it off for repositories like 10.1/inst-source or non-oss. Turn it on for online updates and also for repositories like Packman or mine (guru), as they change frequently (Packman and guru are updated several times a day).
I certainly agree about zen...it's very slow. I suspect it's because there are fewer zen repositories and consequently they're getting hit harder and have less bandwidth available, but this is pure speculation on my part. I certainly did'nt ask for zen, don't want it now, but am stuck with it.
No, zen is using the same repositories and repository formats as yast: - - RPM-MD (also called repomd), an XML based more-or-less standard (also used by yum, smart, recent apt-rpm, ...) - - yast2, a SUSE/yast-specific format that has always been used by yast since waaaaaaay before zen/zmd/zypp So you can use exactly the same repositories in - - yast2/zypp (without zmd) and zypper (new in 10.2, backports exist for 10.1) - - yast2/zmd, zmd, rug - - smart (smart can even handle apt-rpm repositories, not sure that's useful though ;)) So that cannot be the reason. My personal guess would be that it's related to - - Zen not being very well implemented (inefficient XML parsing, sqlite storage being a drag, ...) - - all the synchronization crap between Zen and yast/zypp (what a horrible hack that is) - - possibly somewhat related to Mono...?, not necessarily because it's a byte-compiled programming language (JVMs are extremely fast) but rather because it probably hasn't matured enough yet (hotspot compiler, anyone?) The latter is a rather wild guess though, please take it with sticks, haven't done much with Mono myself. But I guess the synchronization is really a big issue. Apart from being an ugly hack more than anything else (IMHO), it just has to be slow. It should be a lot better using yast with zypp _only_ (i.e. without zen), as you can now properly choose to do in 10.2 cheers - -- -o) Pascal Bleser http://linux01.gwdg.de/~pbleser/ /\\ <pascal.bleser@skynet.be> <guru@unixtech.be> _\_v The more things change, the more they stay insane. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFFb19Or3NMWliFcXcRAu+gAJ47YTPsNmr0NCLarJpFFdqZyD8Y9wCfdA2r 8VG+OyF7IZAfXi/gQ6E3lPw= =eBY8 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Hi,
Is smart no longer in 10.2?
If not, here's a compiled one (cthiel's variant against python 2.5), ftp://ftp-1.gwdg.de/pub/linux/misc/suser-jengelh/SUSE-10.2 -`J' -- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
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