[SLE] Microsoft Publisher Version 3.0
Hi Gurus, I have a Microsoft Publisher Version 3.0 FILE which I would like to edit or at least view under Linux. Does anybody know whether there is any application under Linux that can read and maybe even edit and write those kind of files? Any hint would be appriciated Best regards Martin -- Martin Deppe Bramfelder Chaussee 30 c D-22177 Hamburg Tel: +49-(0)40-69 21 38 99 Handy: +49-(0)171-94 778 59 Fax: +49-(0)40-2549 1651 E-Mail: Martin.Deppe@web.de
Martin Deppe wrote:
I have a Microsoft Publisher Version 3.0 FILE which I would like to edit or at least view under Linux.
Does anybody know whether there is any application under Linux that can read and maybe even edit and write those kind of files?
AFAIK, there are none, not even in Windows. You might get MS Publisher working in wine or crossover office. -- Joe Morris New Tribes Mission Email Address: Joe_Morris@ntm.org Registered Linux user 231871
On Mon December 20 2004 7:13 pm, Joe Morris (NTM) wrote:
Martin Deppe wrote:
I have a Microsoft Publisher Version 3.0 FILE which I would like to edit or at least view under Linux.
Does anybody know whether there is any application under Linux that can read and maybe even edit and write those kind of files?
AFAIK, there are none, not even in Windows. You might get MS Publisher working in wine or crossover office.
I would agree with Joe. The hardest thing for my wife and daughter in converting to linux has been no publisher compatable application or replacement. I've had good luck running publisher with Win4Lin. Others say publisher works with crossover office but that hasn't been my experience. (I've tried publisher from office 2000 with WINE and crossover 2.01/2.10, both with no luck.) I also found no publisher compatable apps or viewers in the winders world. I would suggest that you could use punisher under windows to create a postscript file for viewing in linux. Another possibility would be to use publisher and free-pdf or another pdf printer driver in winders to create a pdf file that you can view anywhere and "might" be able to edit w/ kword. Good luck -- dh Don't shop at ZipZoomFly.com!
On Mon December 20 2004 7:13 pm, Joe Morris (NTM) wrote:
Martin Deppe wrote:
I have a Microsoft Publisher Version 3.0 FILE which I would like to edit or at least view under Linux.
Does anybody know whether there is any application under Linux that can read and maybe even edit and write those kind of files?
AFAIK, there are none, not even in Windows. You might get MS Publisher working in wine or crossover office.
I would agree with Joe. The hardest thing for my wife and daughter in converting to linux has been no publisher compatable application or replacement.
I've had good luck running publisher with Win4Lin. Others say publisher works with crossover office but that hasn't been my experience. (I've tried publisher from office 2000 with WINE and crossover 2.01/2.10, both with no luck.)
I also found no publisher compatable apps or viewers in the winders world.
I would suggest that you could use punisher under windows to create a postscript file for viewing in linux. Another possibility would be to use publisher and free-pdf or another pdf printer driver in winders to create a pdf file that you can view anywhere and "might" be able to edit w/ kword.
Good luck I don't completely agree with you. It takes some work but I've redone my Bullitin (4 pages) using Scribus and as it grows I think it will be better
On Monday 20 December 2004 07:56 pm, David Herman wrote: than MS Pub. Take a look at it at www.scribus.com if I'm not mistaken. -- Russ
On Monday 20 December 2004 11:36 pm, Russ wrote:
On Monday 20 December 2004 07:56 pm, David Herman wrote: [...]
I would suggest that you could use punisher under windows to create a postscript file for viewing in linux. Another possibility would be to use publisher and free-pdf or another pdf printer driver in winders to create a pdf file that you can view anywhere and "might" be able to edit w/ kword.
Good luck
I don't completely agree with you. It takes some work but I've redone my Bullitin (4 pages) using Scribus and as it grows I think it will be better than MS Pub. Take a look at it at www.scribus.com if I'm not mistaken. -- Russ =============
I agree with both David & Russ. As David points out, open your files up in Publisher and save out as postscript files. Then get Scribus and open the files there, to continue editing them in a better program! regards, Lee
On Monday 20 December 2004 08:47 pm, BandiPat wrote:
On Monday 20 December 2004 11:36 pm, Russ wrote:
On Monday 20 December 2004 07:56 pm, David Herman wrote:
[...]
I would suggest that you could use punisher under windows to create a postscript file for viewing in linux. Another possibility would be to use publisher and free-pdf or another pdf printer driver in winders to create a pdf file that you can view anywhere and "might" be able to edit w/ kword.
Good luck
I don't completely agree with you. It takes some work but I've redone my Bullitin (4 pages) using Scribus and as it grows I think it will be better than MS Pub. Take a look at it at www.scribus.com if I'm not mistaken. -- Russ
=============
I agree with both David & Russ. As David points out, open your files up in Publisher and save out as postscript files. Then get Scribus and open the files there, to continue editing them in a better program!
regards, Lee
Pat I like your idea for the pub file but I get an error when I try to save the file as postscript since there is no postscript printer on my system. I tryed creating one but it fails since it cannot find the printer. Is there a windows program like PDF995 (for conversion to PDF) that will convert to Postscript? -- Russ
Haven't been on windows for a while, hmmm, can't you do a print to file(ps)? or is that what you are saying requires the printer driver.... B-) On Tuesday 21 December 2004 08:43 am, Russ wrote:
On Monday 20 December 2004 08:47 pm, BandiPat wrote:
On Monday 20 December 2004 11:36 pm, Russ wrote:
On Monday 20 December 2004 07:56 pm, David Herman wrote:
[...]
I would suggest that you could use punisher under windows to create a postscript file for viewing in linux. Another possibility would be to use publisher and free-pdf or another pdf printer driver in winders to create a pdf file that you can view anywhere and "might" be able to edit w/ kword.
Good luck
I don't completely agree with you. It takes some work but I've redone my Bullitin (4 pages) using Scribus and as it grows I think it will be better than MS Pub. Take a look at it at www.scribus.com if I'm not mistaken. -- Russ
=============
I agree with both David & Russ. As David points out, open your files up in Publisher and save out as postscript files. Then get Scribus and open the files there, to continue editing them in a better program!
regards, Lee
Pat I like your idea for the pub file but I get an error when I try to save the file as postscript since there is no postscript printer on my system. I tryed creating one but it fails since it cannot find the printer. Is there a windows program like PDF995 (for conversion to PDF) that will convert to Postscript? -- Russ
On Tue December 21 2004 7:43 am, Russ wrote:
On Monday 20 December 2004 08:47 pm, BandiPat wrote:
On Monday 20 December 2004 11:36 pm, Russ wrote:
On Monday 20 December 2004 07:56 pm, David Herman wrote:
[...]
I would suggest that you could use punisher under windows to create a postscript file for viewing in linux. Another possibility would be to use publisher and free-pdf or another pdf printer driver in winders to create a pdf file that you can view anywhere and "might" be able to edit w/ kword.
Good luck
I don't completely agree with you. It takes some work but I've redone my Bullitin (4 pages) using Scribus and as it grows I think it will be better than MS Pub. Take a look at it at www.scribus.com if I'm not mistaken. -- Russ
=============
I agree with both David & Russ. As David points out, open your files up in Publisher and save out as postscript files. Then get Scribus and open the files there, to continue editing them in a better program!
regards, Lee
Pat I like your idea for the pub file but I get an error when I try to save the file as postscript since there is no postscript printer on my system. I tryed creating one but it fails since it cannot find the printer. Is there a windows program like PDF995 (for conversion to PDF) that will convert to Postscript?
I think publisher may offer some of its own print functions but I haven't used it much. I recommend freePDF, It looks kind of complex to set up but the directions are quite complete and when finished you will have the option to print to pdf as well as your existing printers. http://myflo.com/files/frpdfloc.htm You'll know you have found the right site if they tell you to get and install Redmon, ghostscript and acrobat reader. Instructions for installing and configuring all of these progs are presented in a thourough and understandable way on the site Good luck -- dh Don't shop at ZipZoomFly.com!
On Tuesday 21 December 2004 09:02 pm, David Herman wrote:
On Tue December 21 2004 7:43 am, Russ wrote:
On Monday 20 December 2004 08:47 pm, BandiPat wrote:
On Monday 20 December 2004 11:36 pm, Russ wrote:
On Monday 20 December 2004 07:56 pm, David Herman wrote:
[...]
I would suggest that you could use punisher under windows to create a postscript file for viewing in linux. Another possibility would be to use publisher and free-pdf or another pdf printer driver in winders to create a pdf file that you can view anywhere and "might" be able to edit w/ kword.
Good luck
I don't completely agree with you. It takes some work but I've redone my Bullitin (4 pages) using Scribus and as it grows I think it will be better than MS Pub. Take a look at it at www.scribus.com if I'm not mistaken. -- Russ
=============
I agree with both David & Russ. As David points out, open your files up in Publisher and save out as postscript files. Then get Scribus and open the files there, to continue editing them in a better program!
regards, Lee
Pat I like your idea for the pub file but I get an error when I try to save the file as postscript since there is no postscript printer on my system. I tryed creating one but it fails since it cannot find the printer. Is there a windows program like PDF995 (for conversion to PDF) that will convert to Postscript?
I think publisher may offer some of its own print functions but I haven't used it much.
I recommend freePDF, It looks kind of complex to set up but the directions are quite complete and when finished you will have the option to print to pdf as well as your existing printers.
http://myflo.com/files/frpdfloc.htm
You'll know you have found the right site if they tell you to get and install Redmon, ghostscript and acrobat reader.
Instructions for installing and configuring all of these progs are presented in a thourough and understandable way on the site
Good luck
Thanks I have been using PDF995 to create PDF files from Publisher. It has worked fine for several years. I also got publisher to think I have a ps printer by creating my HP 3P with a ps cartridge. Even though there is none. I was able to save a pub doc as ps. When I try to import it with Scribus 1.2 It fails with "Scribus crash due to sig 11". I have not had time to look into this but seem to remember something on this list about it. I have Scribus 1.2 with QT 3.3.3 I have not updated Scribus since I'm just learning Linux and am not familar with the cvs process yet. Suse does not have a RPM update I have found. My system already has Acrobat and it works fine but I need to be able to change my bulletin every two weeks, thats why I'm converting it to Scribus. -- Russ
On Mon December 20 2004 8:36 pm, Russ wrote:
On Monday 20 December 2004 07:56 pm, David Herman wrote: -----------snip------------
I would suggest that you could use punisher under windows to create a postscript file for viewing in linux. Another possibility would be to use publisher and free-pdf or another pdf printer driver in winders to create a pdf file that you can view anywhere and "might" be able to edit w/ kword.
Good luck
I don't completely agree with you. It takes some work but I've redone my Bullitin (4 pages) using Scribus and as it grows I think it will be better than MS Pub. Take a look at it at www.scribus.com if I'm not mistaken. --
www.scribus.com got nothing, perhaps www.scribus.net was what you had in mind.
Russ
I agree Scribus is a great program and growing by leaps and bounds. Although I can't bear to use Punishers wizard based system it can be quite effective for those that aren't driven nuts by it (my wife and daughter for example). This is what I meant when I suggested that there is no replacement for this (horrid) program in linux. Scribus uses templates but this is still quite diferent than the wizards of punisher and create-a-card. The original poster was trying to view/edit punisher documents with linux. As far as I know Scribus does not recognize msPublisher files (either). Hence the suggestion I made. Self Horn Blowing Mode ON I put together a *.desktop file (wmf-converter) that will allow you to convert the wmf files that Publisher to eps for use in linux applications. (Note the real work is done by image magik, I just created a menu entry to make things easier) search for wmf at kde-look.org if you are interested. I suggest that it be used in conjunction with the wmf-thumbnail-plugin also available at kde-look.org. Self Horn Blowing Mode OFF See ya -- dh Don't shop at ZipZoomFly.com!
Great guys :-D thanks to all of you! Martin David Herman wrote:
On Mon December 20 2004 8:36 pm, Russ wrote:
On Monday 20 December 2004 07:56 pm, David Herman wrote:
-----------snip------------
I would suggest that you could use punisher under windows to create a postscript file for viewing in linux. Another possibility would be to use publisher and free-pdf or another pdf printer driver in winders to create a pdf file that you can view anywhere and "might" be able to edit w/ kword.
Good luck
I don't completely agree with you. It takes some work but I've redone my Bullitin (4 pages) using Scribus and as it grows I think it will be better than MS Pub. Take a look at it at www.scribus.com if I'm not mistaken. --
www.scribus.com got nothing, perhaps www.scribus.net was what you had in mind.
Russ
I agree Scribus is a great program and growing by leaps and bounds.
Although I can't bear to use Punishers wizard based system it can be quite effective for those that aren't driven nuts by it (my wife and daughter for example). This is what I meant when I suggested that there is no replacement for this (horrid) program in linux.
Scribus uses templates but this is still quite diferent than the wizards of punisher and create-a-card.
The original poster was trying to view/edit punisher documents with linux. As far as I know Scribus does not recognize msPublisher files (either). Hence the suggestion I made.
Self Horn Blowing Mode ON I put together a *.desktop file (wmf-converter) that will allow you to convert the wmf files that Publisher to eps for use in linux applications. (Note the real work is done by image magik, I just created a menu entry to make things easier) search for wmf at kde-look.org if you are interested. I suggest that it be used in conjunction with the wmf-thumbnail-plugin also available at kde-look.org. Self Horn Blowing Mode OFF
See ya
On Tuesday 21 December 2004 02:00, David Herman wrote:
-----------snip------------
I agree Scribus is a great program and growing by leaps and bounds.
Although I can't bear to use Punishers wizard based system it can be quite effective for those that aren't driven nuts by it (my wife and daughter for example). This is what I meant when I suggested that there is no replacement for this (horrid) program in linux.
Exactly how critical is it that they must use Publisher? What are they doing with it? Are they exchanging files with someone for work? Publisher is really an awful program. Also, as with all Microsoft products there's no guarantee that any future version of the program will be able to load files from older versions. As with any of Microsoft's products they could drop support for the program on a whim. I got my wife to incrementally start doing things in Linux by refusing to show her how to do things with her Win98 PC. I also refuse to frustrate myself by servicing her computer when it crashes. You want to copy the digital camera pics to to a flash card? Better boot Linux, dear. I know -- I'm mean. Sometimes people think they are happier and more comfortable (for the short term) being inconvenienced by the devil they know than trying something new and unknown. Sometimes people are just resistant to learning something new. That said, I see Scribus was recommended and it is OK and improving. I've used PageStream for DTP for a number of years. http://www.grasshopperllc.com There are versions for Windows and Linux. Yes, it's not free, but it works very well and problems are few and far between, because it has been under development for a very long time. Thanks, Ken Jennings
tisdag 21 december 2004 04:56 skrev David Herman:
I would agree with Joe. The hardest thing for my wife and daughter in converting to linux has been no publisher compatable application or replacement.
If all you ever intended, was to be able to use Microsoft Office, then you shouldn't convert to linux (period). MS Publisher, is a Microsoft Product, and like all Microsoft products it is set to limitations, set by Microsoft. Microsoft has, since I remember, always increased the version of their files with every release of any of their products. Most of the upgrades, are "intended" to force the buyer to "upgrade" to a newer version ... this is their way of doing buisness. So, if all you need is to use Microsoft products then stick to Windows. If you need to be able to roam between platforms, then Linux is an alterntive. But then you'll have to center your choices on the alternative, and not on the extreme (Microsoft). OpenOffice is an office product, that does most of what needs to be done. Surely I know, that there aren't as many "templates" in the stripped-to-the-bone version of OpenOffice, but I believe there are some templates to be had on the network, that give some options in that area. Trying to use "win4lin", "wine", or whatever to run MS products on a different platform is ok, as long as you have casual need for it. For instance, someone at the office only has MS Word, and you need to share it ... then you tell that person, to save the file in Word 97 format, and not the "Word 2005 MS WIndows Only!" format. And you yourself, can write your data in the same format, etc. This is casual use, you don't really "need" Microsoft Office, only the ability to share files with people who have nothing BUT Microsoft Office. The moment your needs are centered on Microsoft Office only, your options are dictated by Microsoft. You don't have a choice anymore, all other products except Microsoft Windows will bork, hickup and have problems. Because that IS what MICROSOFT intended. My "1 aur" worth, Örn PS. Cents and Euro cents ... just another "detail" at who controls the EU.
On Tuesday 21 Dec 2004 20:26, Örn Hansen wrote:
tisdag 21 december 2004 04:56 skrev David Herman:
I would agree with Joe. The hardest thing for my wife and daughter in converting to linux has been no publisher compatable application or replacement.
If all you ever intended, was to be able to use Microsoft Office, then you shouldn't convert to linux (period). MS Publisher, is a Microsoft Product, and like all Microsoft products it is set to limitations, set by Microsoft. Microsoft has, since I remember, always increased the version of their files with every release of any of their products. Most of the upgrades, are "intended" to force the buyer to "upgrade" to a newer version ... this is their way of doing buisness.
So, if all you need is to use Microsoft products then stick to Windows. If you need to be able to roam between platforms, then Linux is an alterntive. But then you'll have to center your choices on the alternative, and not on the extreme (Microsoft). OpenOffice is an office product, that does most of what needs to be done. Surely I know, that there aren't as many "templates" in the stripped-to-the-bone version of OpenOffice, but I believe there are some templates to be had on the network, that give some options in that area.
Trying to use "win4lin", "wine", or whatever to run MS products on a different platform is ok, as long as you have casual need for it. For instance, someone at the office only has MS Word, and you need to share it ... then you tell that person, to save the file in Word 97 format, and not the "Word 2005 MS WIndows Only!" format. And you yourself, can write your data in the same format, etc. This is casual use, you don't really "need" Microsoft Office, only the ability to share files with people who have nothing BUT Microsoft Office. The moment your needs are centered on Microsoft Office only, your options are dictated by Microsoft. You don't have a choice anymore, all other products except Microsoft Windows will bork, hickup and have problems. Because that IS what MICROSOFT intended.
My "1 aur" worth, Örn
PS. Cents and Euro cents ... just another "detail" at who controls the EU.
Is this bloke for real or what ?.. do we have an M$ Corp employee on the list . If someone wants to get away from M$ Corp bugware then we should be doing everything to assist NOT tell them not to bother and stay with using bugware from M$ Corp . My advice would be can the M$ Corp bugware completely and start afresh the step to Linux is NOT insurmountable just the dambed stupid M$ punisher file format i know i have had stuff sent to me in the same and sent it back with instructions to use an more flexible file type i settled for .doc from them easy to handle .. but no good for everyone . It is unfortunate that we have no method of opening punisher files but in all truth we propably dont not realy need one .. Pete -- Linux user No: 256242 Machine No: 139931 G6NJR Pete also MSA registered "Quinton 11" A Linux Only area Happy bug hunting M$ clan, The time is here to FORGET that M$ Corp ever existed the world does not NEED M$ Corp the world has NO USE for M$ Corp it is time to END M$ Corp , Play time is over folks time for action approaches at an alarming pace the death knell for M$ Copr has been sounded . Termination time is around the corner ..
On Tuesday 21 December 2004 19:24, peter Nikolic wrote:
On Tuesday 21 Dec 2004 20:26, Г–rn Hansen wrote:
tisdag 21 december 2004 04:56 skrev David Herman:
I would agree with Joe. The hardest thing for my wife and daughter in converting to linux has been no publisher compatable application or replacement.
If all you ever intended, was to be able to use Microsoft Office, then you shouldn't convert to linux (period). MS Publisher, is a Microsoft Product, and like all Microsoft products it is set to limitations, set by Microsoft. Microsoft has, since I remember, always increased the version of their files with every release of any of their products. Most of the upgrades, are "intended" to force the buyer to "upgrade" to a newer version ... this is their way of doing buisness.
So, if all you need is to use Microsoft products then stick to Windows. If you need to be able to roam between platforms, then Linux is an alterntive. But then you'll have to center your choices on the alternative, and not on the extreme (Microsoft). OpenOffice is an office product, that does most of what needs to be done. Surely I know, that there aren't as many "templates" in the stripped-to-the-bone version of OpenOffice, but I believe there are some templates to be had on the network, that give some options in that area.
Trying to use "win4lin", "wine", or whatever to run MS products on a different platform is ok, as long as you have casual need for it. For instance, someone at the office only has MS Word, and you need to share it ... then you tell that person, to save the file in Word 97 format, and not the "Word 2005 MS WIndows Only!" format. And you yourself, can write your data in the same format, etc. This is casual use, you don't really "need" Microsoft Office, only the ability to share files with people who have nothing BUT Microsoft Office. The moment your needs are centered on Microsoft Office only, your options are dictated by Microsoft. You don't have a choice anymore, all other products except Microsoft Windows will bork, hickup and have problems. Because that IS what MICROSOFT intended.
My "1 aur" worth, Г–rn
PS. Cents and Euro cents ... just another "detail" at who controls the EU.
Is this bloke for real or what ?.. do we have an M$ Corp employee on the list .
If someone wants to get away from M$ Corp bugware then we should be doing everything to assist NOT tell them not to bother and stay with using bugware from M$ Corp .
My advice would be can the M$ Corp bugware completely and start afresh the step to Linux is NOT insurmountable just the dambed stupid M$ punisher file format i know i have had stuff sent to me in the same and sent it back with instructions to use an more flexible file type i settled for .doc from them easy to handle .. but no good for everyone .
It is unfortunate that we have no method of opening punisher files but in all truth we propably dont not realy need one ..
Pete
-- Linux user No: 256242 Machine No: 139931 G6NJR Pete also MSA registered "Quinton 11" A Linux Only area Happy bug hunting M$ clan, The time is here to FORGET that M$ Corp ever existed the world does not NEED M$ Corp the world has NO USE for M$ Corp it is time to END M$ Corp , Play time is over folks time for action approaches at an alarming pace the death knell for M$ Copr has been sounded . Termination time is around the corner ..
Peter, while I do respect your feelings about M$, there are some points you may try to consider (the order is not by importance): 1. Flaming is NOT problem solving. 2. People come to this list to receive the most reliable advice to get their work done, or to learn from each other. 3. Sending back a file and asking a regular Windows user to convert it to something else is really unreliable, and in most cases will not work. The regular user even does not care what OS or product he/she uses. The decision is made a way before him/her. He/she is trained and uses only what is provided to him to have the work done. 4. Like it or not, we still live in M$ dominated world. Things are changing, but slow. 5. One of the reasons for (4) is that just recently the desktop have received a real attention in linux world, and it is only because of the commercial distros. 6. If you would like really to help this process to continue and to speed up, instead of putting your efforts in blaming M$ for this and that, and teaching people to ask them to convert a file from one format to another (while there is no reliable converter, unless you thing the M$ one is good ;) ), just sit and write a better converter to be included in OpenOffice, or as a standalone solution. 7. Please, really, realize that people just want their work done. And these people can not control corporate decision about what OS and software to use. The corporate world will start using linux when it's application base is mature enough (not the OS itself). Until then they will stay where they are, and their employees will use what they use today. And these employees will just ignore you as a party to deal with, if you make them more troubles instead of helping them to get their work done as they usually do. just 2c Cheers Sunny -- Get Firefox http://www.spreadfirefox.com/?q=affiliates&id=10745&t=85
onsdag 22 december 2004 02:24 skrev peter Nikolic:
If someone wants to get away from M$ Corp bugware then we should be doing everything to assist NOT tell them not to bother and stay with using bugware from M$ Corp .
How do you think that's going to help Linux, or the user? The user loads Linux, then some free software to share his/her MS software files and discovers the Excel files don't display correctly in OpenOffice. They discover that the Linux office software won't load their MS Word files. And what is the conclusion the user gets? That linux and it's software are all buggy, and crap. Microsoft is actively stopping other software from being able to continually share their files, we all know that. So any software on Linux, is never going to be able to share MS files or use them the same way they were intended on a MS platform. That's just a plain fact. So, trying to "lure" a user away from the "buggysoft" of M$ software, over to Linux where they'll see everything fail isn't helping anyone. And certainly not helping Linux or companies making their buisness on Linux. Örn
Orn wrote:
How do you think that's going to help Linux, or the user?
The user loads Linux, then some free software to share his/her MS software
files and discovers the Excel files don't display correctly in OpenOffice.
They discover that the Linux office software won't load their MS Word files.
And what is the conclusion the user gets? That linux and it's software are
all buggy, and crap. Microsoft is actively stopping other software from
being able to continually share their files, we all know that. So any
software on Linux, is never going to be able to share MS files or use them
the same way they were intended on a MS platform. That's just a plain fact.
So, trying to "lure" a user away from the "buggysoft" of M$ software, over
to
Linux where they'll see everything fail isn't helping anyone. And certainly
not helping Linux or companies making their buisness on Linux.
Orn,
I agree. I also remember a similar argument that raged a few years ago
called pc-mac. OO isn't perfect, but it is getting better. It will continue
to improve and the hiccups with table formatting lost in conversion will
slowly fade.
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On Wednesday 22 December 2004 18:01, david rankin wrote:
Microsoft Publisher is free. Linux isn't.
Anymore......
What do you mean? Bryan ******************************************************** Powered by SuSE Linux 8.2 Professional KDE 3.1.1 KMail 1.5.1 This is a Microsoft-free computer Bryan S. Tyson bryantyson@earthlink.net ********************************************************
Steve, On Thursday 23 December 2004 09:52, steve wrote:
Microsoft Publisher is free. Linux isn't.
Anymore......
What do you mean?
You get Microsoft Publisher free when you buy a computer. And it runs on a Pentium with 16 Mb of memory. You have to pay extra to get Linux.
Surely you realize that you're paying for a license for Windows when you buy that PC. It is by no means free! On the other hand, you cannot be compelled to pay for Linux. It only costs if you want to acquire a pre-packaged, tested and variously supported so-called "distribution." In that case, you're paying for those packaging, testing and / or support services, which often includes additional custom software such as YaST / YOU from SuSE. As to running Windows on a Pentium with 16 MB of RAM, that's possible only for the extraordinarily patient and undemanding user. Randall Schulz
Victim of M$ FUD? heheh B-) On Thursday 23 December 2004 10:52 am, steve wrote:
Microsoft Publisher is free. Linux isn't.
Anymore......
What do you mean?
You get Microsoft Publisher free when you buy a computer. And it runs on a Pentium with 16 Mb of memory. You have to pay extra to get Linux.
On Thu, 2004-12-23 at 12:52, steve wrote:
Microsoft Publisher is free. Linux isn't.
Anymore......
What do you mean?
You get Microsoft Publisher free when you buy a computer. And it runs on a Pentium with 16 Mb of memory. You have to pay extra to get Linux.
Actually that's not really true, Publisher comes with costs, buried costs, like the OS, and future upgrade fees. You can of course toss away your SuSE and go Debian and be completely free as in your only costs would be those of acquiring the media to install, about $1.00 a disk, and do continuous free upgrades and updates until the Debian Project shuts down. You ought to be able to do that with Fedora, Gentoo, and Knoppix as well, so Linux is in essense free with it's costs limited to acquired install media costs. Also with Linux, as you are talking the actual OS and not just a program, you never need pay the MS security tax, AKA Virus protection, unless of course you want to use your system as a file server on a MicroSoft network, and then you will want to scan all MS based files so they don't infect other MS based systems. Just my $0.017 worth (That's 2 cents less GST). Mike
steve wrote:
You have to pay extra to get Linux.
As always, you can download Linux for free or copy from someone else. Also, there are some places, that sell Linux loaded computers, for less than the same system with Windows. I believe Wal Mart is selling a Linux notebook and there's a store in Toronto, that's Linux only. There is also Angel Computers, who have notebooks with Linux, priced cheaper than with Windows.
On Wednesday 22 December 2004 4:46 pm, steve wrote:
How do you think that's going to help Linux, or the user?
Microsoft Publisher is free.
No it is not Just read the EULA. PeterB -- -- Proud SUSE user since 5.2 Loving SUSE 9.2 My BLOG == http://vancampen.org/blog --
On Wednesday 22 December 2004 17:46, steve wrote:
Microsoft Publisher is free. Linux isn't.
Really!? Where can I download my free copy of Microsoft Publisher? Of course, it would do no more here than uselessly occupy disk space. Maybe until I find someone else who wants a "free" copy.
On Wednesday 22 Dec 2004 22:15, Örn Hansen wrote:
onsdag 22 december 2004 02:24 skrev peter Nikolic:
If someone wants to get away from M$ Corp bugware then we should be doing everything to assist NOT tell them not to bother and stay with using bugware from M$ Corp .
How do you think that's going to help Linux, or the user?
The user loads Linux, then some free software to share his/her MS software files and discovers the Excel files don't display correctly in OpenOffice. They discover that the Linux office software won't load their MS Word files. And what is the conclusion the user gets? That linux and it's software are all buggy, and crap. Microsoft is actively stopping other software from being able to continually share their files, we all know that. So any software on Linux, is never going to be able to share MS files or use them the same way they were intended on a MS platform. That's just a plain fact. So, trying to "lure" a user away from the "buggysoft" of M$ software, over to Linux where they'll see everything fail isn't helping anyone. And certainly not helping Linux or companies making their buisness on Linux.
Örn
Ke! what is the point of this one please,,.?.. IF YOU CONTINUE TO RECOMEND PEOPLE TO USE M$ Corp CRAP INSTEAD OF GETTING THEM OVER TO LINUX YOU AINT GETTING NO WHERE AND YOU CERTAINLEY AINT HELPING THE WORLD RID ITSELF OF THE MALIGNANT TUMOUR CALLED M$ Corp .. If you see it differently well whatever turns your screw but DONT lecture me about the ins and outs of M$ Corp i came from an entirley M$ Corp based company doing maintainance ect so i AM fully aware of the CRAP it is AND the fact that PUSSY FOOTING around will get you NOWHERE. Pete . -- Linux user No: 256242 Machine No: 139931 G6NJR Pete also MSA registered "Quinton 11" A Linux Only area Happy bug hunting M$ clan, The time is here to FORGET that M$ Corp ever existed the world does not NEED M$ Corp the world has NO USE for M$ Corp it is time to END M$ Corp , Play time is over folks time for action approaches at an alarming pace the death knell for M$ Copr has been sounded . Termination time is around the corner ..
On Tue December 21 2004 12:26 pm, Örn Hansen wrote:
tisdag 21 december 2004 04:56 skrev David Herman:
I would agree with Joe. The hardest thing for my wife and daughter in converting to linux has been no publisher compatable application or replacement.
If all you ever intended, was to be able to use Microsoft Office, then
-------------- SNIP------------- First off, you've taken my quote out of context. Secondly Your point is what? Were you following the thread or did you just wake up and see that someone had mentioned the dreaded m$ and feel a need to show your superiority? Plonk -- dh
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