Hi Lisa: It's easier to send stuff this way. Here is a post from slashdot (http://www.slashdot.org) concerning Linuxgruven. In short it certainly appears it was a scam. That is why I do not go to the St. Louis Linux group anymore. Well I might go back in the summer. Also they always covered really esoteric stuff; I think a lot of the presentations were just displays of computer prowess. The speakers wanted to show off. <Shameless Plug> Instead of paying for a class you should just go out and get a Linux distro and install it on your computer at home. It should be easy to make it dual boot. Then you can mess with Vi, EMACS and shell scripts. SuSE 7.1 is available and Mandrake 8.0 will be out in another 6 weeks. DON'T GET RED HAT Linux!! It is really broken. It's configuration tool, Linuxconf, is worthless. Mandrakes Diskdrake configuration tool is a snap to use. I have never done a dual boot install with SuSE so can't say. This might be a good book on Bash: http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/bash2/ Also you might want to go to Borders and check out "Learning the UNIX Operating System", 4th Edition http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/lunix4/ Lisa, if you want you can call me. If so I will send my phone number and we can talk about this stuff. -- Cheers, Jonathan