I was Senior Systems Developer at Linuxgruven. I was working on internal projects when I got the axe. And here is what I know. Yes it's a scam. The fact is that they count on people not passing the LCA. They do this by promising people that have no chance of becoming a Linux admin. Most of the time these are people that can't even use windows computers. The owners ( James and Mike ) write checks out of the company's bank account. The reason everyone is fired is because the owners took a vacation and spent their paycheck. Right before this happened everyone at linuxgruven was forced to sign a non-discloser agreement so that people would be afraid to speak out about what was about to happen. ( LG can fook off because I did not sign S#1t. Everyone that was above me knew how the bussiness worked and chose to ignore it because they were getting great titles and pay. I found out a month ago and started looking into the training materials. The instructors were top notch but the materials were so bad that I would not suggest them to be used as heating fuel. I see no possible way for people to study anything from the training materials. In the beginning it looked like a real company. I was seperated from the rest of the company and told that support contracts for services were piling up. It was not till I went to the call center and saw everyone fooking around that I supected that it was the training classes that were the only form of income. Other then me. I was billed out for 170+ hour and got screwed out of my bonus for those jobs. Which by the way my bonuses were supposed to be in this coming fridays check. I strongly suggest that people stay away from linuxgruven. I have been told personally by the owners that they will continue the training classes and look to other citys to make up for St.Louis. Don't feel sorry for me. feel sorry for all the guys that thought they were getting a break. A chance to work with linux and get a real good pay concidering how much they knew. Instead these guys got screwed out of pay and the bills are coming fast for them. The fact is that there was only one real admin job that linuxgruven had, and only one person did that job. The rest were sitting around waiting for people that wanted interviews. This is a company to stay away from... If anyone wants to contact me they can do so though my home page www.mercybeat.com ( i'm mercybeat ). There was some good work going on at Linuxgruven... there was a team that was working on creating real training materials that were to be released opensource. My last advice to linuxgruven employees. Go to the courts and file a personal small claim against the company. If your in st.louis contact me and i'll tell you all about it. Or you can meet me in clayton monday morning and file with me. I would still like to work for a linux professional services company if anyone has a job for a java programmer with 5 years or real linux experiance. Damon C. Richardson mercybeat@earthlink.net P.S. Once again I have signed nothing at linuxgruven and I can say what ever i want to who ever I want. Lin-Ja-Foo self-defense against .NET