On Wed, 2009-11-11 at 11:19 +0100, Michael Schueller wrote:

Am Mittwoch, 11. November 2009 schrieb Roger Oberholtzer:

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I am considering doing an upgrade of my 11.1 system to an 11.2 system with zypper dup. I have these questions:

Hello

Have you read this first ?

http://en.opensuse.org/Upgrade

Thanks Michael. Yes, I had already read that. Aside from it saying: "Valid for upgrading 10.3 to 11.0 & 11.0 to 11.1" in big text at the top, it does not answer my three questions. What exactly is a 'from 11.1'? Only one that has been installed and kept up-to-date with 11.1 repositories? What if your 11.1 has the odd Factory repository? Could this be an issue? I know it depends on which Factory repos. But some clarification of what the 11.1 is assumed to be could help. In the example, the 'zypper dup' step gets and installs whatever is needed. I have heard that there is a flag to make the download of all complete before anything is installed. That way you do not have a partially updated system without the ability to get some packages - for whatever reason. No answer to that on this page. It is possible in this context? Finally, there was no mention of a 'dry run'. With any relatively new technology, a 'dry run' is not a bad thing. -- Roger Oberholtzer OPQ Systems / Ramböll RST Ramböll Sverige AB Krukmakargatan 21 P.O. Box 17009 SE-104 62 Stockholm, Sweden Office: Int +46 10-615 60 20 Mobile: Int +46 70-815 1696 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Wed, 2009-11-11 at 12:48 +0100, Michael Schueller wrote:

But to make shure what will happen then, zypper offers a dry run. You will find this Option in man:/zypper

As long as this applies to the dup command. I can check this after updating zypper in the initial steps?

And at least, why you don't wait another day ?

I will not to this for a week or so. I am just gathering info in preparation. I do have a system with 11.2RC2->11.2RC1 that I will simply update. And arrive at 11.2 final. I really do like this feature. Especially if the steps between each release stay around. I guess the info on the page about going FROM 10.3 to 11.0 are ok as only the 11.0 repo stuff is needed, right? My only remaining question is about the flag to tell zypper to download everything first, then install after all the downloads complete. Or maybe the new flag defaults to this behavior, and not of the behavior before the flag? -- Roger Oberholtzer OPQ Systems / Ramböll RST Ramböll Sverige AB Krukmakargatan 21 P.O. Box 17009 SE-104 62 Stockholm, Sweden Office: Int +46 10-615 60 20 Mobile: Int +46 70-815 1696 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 6:34 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:

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On Wednesday, 2009-11-11 at 13:08 +0100, Roger Oberholtzer wrote:

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My only remaining question is about the flag to tell zypper to download everything first, then install after all the downloads complete. Or maybe the new flag defaults to this behavior, and not of the behavior before the flag?

I suppose it would be somewhere in /etc/zypp/zypper.conf or /etc/zypp/zypp.conf.

RTFM?

From http://en.opensuse.org/Upgrade/11.2#Command_line === Now execute full distribution update:

zypper dup # Install the packages If you prefer to download all packages before installing, add a -d flag to the end of the command. After the packages get downloaded, run the command again, this time without -d. === Please, the upgrade via zypper dup is new, so lets all use the wiki page to understand what is needed. (yes it has been unofficially supported for a release or two, but this is the first release with official support for zypper dup or yast wagon and it is not as simple as just typing "zypper dup") Greg -- Greg Freemyer Head of EDD Tape Extraction and Processing team Litigation Triage Solutions Specialist http://www.linkedin.com/in/gregfreemyer Preservation and Forensic processing of Exchange Repositories White Paper - http://www.norcrossgroup.com/forms/whitepapers/tng_whitepaper_fpe.html The Norcross Group The Intersection of Evidence & Technology http://www.norcrossgroup.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

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On Wednesday, 2009-11-11 at 18:56 -0500, Greg Freemyer wrote:

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On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 6:34 PM, Carlos E. R. <> wrote:

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On Wednesday, 2009-11-11 at 13:08 +0100, Roger Oberholtzer wrote:

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My only remaining question is about the flag to tell zypper to download everything first, then install after all the downloads complete. Or maybe the new flag defaults to this behavior, and not of the behavior before the flag?

I suppose it would be somewhere in /etc/zypp/zypper.conf or /etc/zypp/zypp.conf.

RTFM?

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From http://en.opensuse.org/Upgrade/11.2#Command_line === Now execute full distribution update:

zypper dup # Install the packages

If you prefer to download all packages before installing, add a -d flag to the end of the command. After the packages get downloaded, run the command again, this time without -d. ===

It is indeed where I said it was:

] Set commit.downloadMode = DownloadInAdvance in /etc/zypp/zypp.conf so ] that everything is downloaded first, before the packages get installed. ] The download transaction needs a huge amount of space on the /var ] partition to store all the software packages.

http://www.suse.com/relnotes/i386/openSUSE/11.2/RELEASE-NOTES.en.html#07

- -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. T Take note that if one package fails to download then zypper won't install anything and exit silently, until that package requirement has been satisfied, ie. you have refreshed and rerun zypper dup or if the

On 11/12/2009 10:41 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote: package is actually unavailable (I had this problem with a packman package) you have to delete it to get the distribution upgrade to install all the packages. See :- http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=545258 Regards Dave P -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 6:34 AM, Dave Plater wrote:

I see that there isn't a link to http://en.opensuse.org/Upgrade/11.2 at the http://en.opensuse.org/Upgrade site but the former one is what you need. It has a bit more information and has been updated by people actually doing the upgrade.

I just added an info note at the top of the upgrade page to refer people to the Upgrade/11.2 page. Remember these pages are part of a wiki and any of us can edit the pages. In particular for the Upgrade/11.2 page, please add new relevant information as we figure it out. That page is still tagged as in draft form because not enough detail is presented. Greg -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 9:12 AM, Dave Plater wrote:

On 11/11/2009 03:52 PM, Greg Freemyer wrote:

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On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 6:34 AM, Dave Plater wrote:

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I see that there isn't a link to http://en.opensuse.org/Upgrade/11.2 at the http://en.opensuse.org/Upgrade site but the former one is what you need. It has a bit more information and has been updated by people actually doing the upgrade.

I just added an info note at the top of the upgrade page to refer people to the Upgrade/11.2 page.

Remember these pages are part of a wiki and any of us can edit the pages.

In particular for the Upgrade/11.2 page, please add new relevant information as we figure it out.

That page is still tagged as in draft form because not enough detail is presented.

Greg

I already put one underneath where it says "/Valid for upgrading 10.3 to 11.0 & 11.0 to 11.1". /IMHO it should be in the table of contents at the top but I couldn't work out how to do it. Anyway I'm sure nobody will miss it now. Regards Dave P/ /

Sorry Dave. I should have checked the edit history. I also see there have been some recent edits to Upgrade/11.2 by a few different people. Since this is the first time masses of opensuse users will be using zypper dup, or wagon to upgrade I think it is important we have a well documented process in place. The wagon page in particular has seen few edits besides what I have done. http://en.opensuse.org/Wagon, so any of you that want to try your upgrade via wagon, be sure to update that page as you see shortcomings in what is there. For my own purposes I prefer zypper dup from the CLI, but yast2 wagon is definitely another option. Greg -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org