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Just a question... does anyone know of a gui for smartctl? Maybe a Superkaramba plugin that displays normalized data from the output of smartctl -a /dev/device... just looking for something that will make monitoring my hard drives (for example hd temps) a little easier....

Munin can display SMART statistics.

http://munin.projects.linpro.no/ http://sourceforge.net/projects/munin/

Packman has Munin RPMs

Hmmm interesting tool. If I understand it right, it is a web based monitor.. ie you use a web browser to view the output. Thanks for the tip on this one :-) I've also been tinkering with SuperKaramba trying to add in a few bits and bobs of info to a theme I'm using... I'm trying a line like this: text x=170 y=135 sensor=program program="hddtemp /dev/sda | awk '{print $4}'" align=right color=200,200,0 fontsize=10 font="nimbus sans l" interval=10000 If I switch to a regular terminal window and run the bit in quotes, it returns the operating temp of sda... exactly what i want to display in SuperKaramba --------------- hddtemp /dev/sda | awk '{print $4}' 33°C ------------- but SuperKaramba is not co-operating and displaying the value... just a blank spot. I've tested with just text in this location, and it shows fine, so it's not a silly error like trying to display outside of boundaries. In theory it shoudl work, and there are other themes using similar constructs... Any tips or ideas on this one? If I can get this so I can monitor hd temps, it'd be a perfect compliment to using Munin as a weekly checkup tool. C -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

I can't help you with SuperKaramba. I've played with it a bit, but I've never tried to write my own modules for it, nor have I done more than check it out.

It's usually pretty easy.. if only to massage other people's themes - which is all I usually do, and what I am trying to do now. I still cannot get it to work.. and not sure why since the program option should print it's output into the theme.

Munin is a monitoring tool. You can have it plot values over varying timescales, so you could, e.g., have it record hourly drive temperatures and then you could readily see daily variational patterns (if in fact that computer is subject to cyclic daily environmental or usage patterns).

That is probably what I will look at doing. I've had some major issues lately with heat and failures.. failing drives, CPU getting rather warm under 100% load etc. I changed out the case today to a bigger case with better fans/ventilation, and cleaned the heat sinks. This has made a rather large difference in component temps... CPU under 100% load has dropped from 61C to 42C and hard disk temps have dropped from around 47C down to 32C to 38C. I was looking at something to monitor (live if possible) the output of things like hddtemp and smartctl. Munin will at least compile that info for me. I have a feeling that the info will be looking much better now. C. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Randall R Schulz wrote:

Munin can display SMART statistics.

http://munin.projects.linpro.no/ http://sourceforge.net/projects/munin/

Packman has Munin RPMs

Hmmm... I can't seem to find this in the Packman repository. Do you have a specific url? Thanks, Rick - -- Rick's Law: What cannot be imagined will be accomplished by a fool. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGatEgPIcjS54RJeARAodpAJ9J65/osCl8y6YkYa2PQ3M14qXxKwCfUqyG N9uUXO4ell0bCdR2zali4W0= =xI9O -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Saturday 09 June 2007 09:33, Randall R Schulz wrote:

On Saturday 09 June 2007 09:11, Rick Friedman wrote: ...

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Rick -- Rick's Law: What cannot be imagined will be accomplished by a fool.

[ If you put a space after the two hyphens, most mailers will consider it to be the start of a signature section. ]

Evidently something somewhere, for some of us at least, is removing that space.

Randall Schulz -- "Unimaginable destruction" is an oxymoron.

RRS -- The previous line contains hyphen, hyphen, space. Where did the space go? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Saturday 09 June 2007 10:39, Darryl Gregorash wrote:

On 2007-06-09 10:42, Randall R Schulz wrote:

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On Saturday 09 June 2007 09:33, Randall R Schulz wrote:

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[ If you put a space after the two hyphens, most mailers will consider it to be the start of a signature section. ]

Evidently something somewhere, for some of us at least, is removing that space.

There is a bug in the enigmail extension that changes a leading <dash> to a <dash><space>. In the openPGP/enigmail menu, select "preferences", then PGP/Mime, "allow to use PGP/Mime". Then in the advanced tab, make sure "treat --<space> as signature separator" is checked.

Works on Seamonkey, should work in TBird as well.

What's KMail's excuse? That's what I use. RRS -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Randall R Schulz wrote:

On Saturday 09 June 2007 10:39, Darryl Gregorash wrote:

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On 2007-06-09 10:42, Randall R Schulz wrote:

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[ If you put a space after the two hyphens, most mailers will consider it to be the start of a signature section. ] Evidently something somewhere, for some of us at least, is removing

On Saturday 09 June 2007 09:33, Randall R Schulz wrote: that space. There is a bug in the enigmail extension that changes a leading <dash> to a <dash><space>. In the openPGP/enigmail menu, select "preferences", then PGP/Mime, "allow to use PGP/Mime". Then in the advanced tab, make sure "treat --<space> as signature separator" is checked.

Works on Seamonkey, should work in TBird as well.

What's KMail's excuse? That's what I use. I changed how Thunderbird and the enigmail extension treat --<space>. Does it seem to work properly now?

Rick -- Rick's Law: What cannot be imagined will be accomplished by a fool.

* Darryl Gregorash [06-09-07 13:41]:

There is a bug in the enigmail extension that changes a leading <dash> to a <dash><space>. In the openPGP/enigmail menu, select "preferences", then PGP/Mime, "allow to use PGP/Mime". Then in the advanced tab, make sure "treat --<space> as signature separator" is checked.

No, I believe that it is more than enigmail, as the OT posted w/thunderbrid and Carlos has the same broken sig indicator and uses pine, iianm. I think that pgp cripples the sig indicator, but only with inline -- Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA HOG # US1244711 http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 OpenSUSE Linux http://en.opensuse.org/ Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://counter.li.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Sun June 10 2007 00:18, Darryl Gregorash wrote: <snip>

I've been all over the Mozilla bugzilla, and cannot find the report where I discovered the fix. At the time I was using the Mozilla suite, but I recall it being valid for TBirds as well. Now that you mention "inline", I do recall something mentioned along those lines, and I also recall seeing a setting in the PGP/enigmail setup that mentioned "inline". However, with Seamonkey, that setting is no longer there.

I am certain that the fix was "allow PGP/Mime", for which the default was "never use".

Hi Darryl, When I encountered the 'dash-dash-space' problem in the Mozilla suite, then TBird, it was caused by the difference in handling of "plain text" vs. "format: text-flowed". "Plain text" is "hard" wrapped (a new line marker inserted after, say, each 72 characters) whereas "format: text-flowed" allows receiving *clients* to dynamically insert spaces in streams of text as required to "soft wrap" lines which match the characteristics of the display. I switched to KMail and the problem went away. ;-) regards, Carl P.S. to Rick: Your previous post did have the correct "-- " sig marker, so whatever you did appears to be working. Congratulations! I don't regret switching to KMail... it's my favorite client now, in fact... but I probably wouldn't have switched if the fix you've found had been available then. regards, Carl -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The Saturday 2007-06-09 at 22:58 -0400, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

No, I believe that it is more than enigmail, as the OT posted w/thunderbrid and Carlos has the same broken sig indicator and uses pine, iianm. I think that pgp cripples the sig indicator, but only with inline

I do? [...] Ah, I see. But it is not broken, that is the standard. When mail is pgp signed, the [-][-][ ] sequence is changed to [-][ ][-][-][ ] for some reason I forget, but related to some interference with the pgp encription/signing. It is the client side who has to be clever enough to decode that sequence correctly - and pine does, I have no problem with the sequence you call "broken". I remember reading it in this list some years ago. What I have seen is a double signature mark; first by Rick: ]Thanks, ]Rick ]-- ]Rick's Law: What cannot be... ]-- ]To unsubscribe, e-mail: opens... The first one is not good, the second one is good. And then Randall has a similar thing (in his answer to Rick): ]Randall Schulz ]-- ]"Unimaginable destruction" is an oxymoron. ]-- Both are correct, and Pine interprets them correctly when replying to, clipping at the first correct dash sequence. Looking at the internals, the one by Rick is a bit different (trimmed): ]Thanks, ]Rick ]- -- ]Rick's Law: Wh.... ]-----BEGIN PGP.... ]Version: GnuP... ]Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org ] ]iD8DBQFG... ]N9uUXO4e... ]=xI9O... ]-----END PGP... ]-- ]To unsubscribe... The pgp block is inserted in the middle, and only the last one is good (after the pgp block). Thus, it is Rick's mail, made with thunderbird 2.0.0 which is at fault. The second dash sequence could have been added by the list server when adding the unsubscribe note. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iD8DBQFGa8r/tTMYHG2NR9URAn3RAKCHAg/U2kQ7B5DyAhF3uVdQen7ywgCfT6oO OFBYRVSdRjNtPhKRAnaKXK0= =22Eq -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

* Bob Williams [06-10-07 07:55]:

The mailing list adds its own signature to every post. Could it be the mailing list software which strips out the space. For example, this reply stripped out the mailing list 'unsubscribe' instructions, but they'll be back at the bottom of this message by the time you read it. And I'll bet Patrick used <dash dash space>, but it's only <dash dash> by the time I get to reply to his message (see above).

I don't think so, as I have not observed that in the past. What you are probably seeing on your end is kmail's editor stripping end-of-line spaces and/or only recognizing the *last* 2-dash+space sig indicator. To test, you would need to open the message with an editor you *knew* did not strip end-of-line white space, before kmail reads it, ie: pico, nano, joe, jed ... I have observed tofu with included quoted signatures that did include the space after the double dash. And the quoted signature block from me as you present does *not* include the trailing space -- Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA HOG # US1244711 http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://counter.li.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Le June 9, 2007 12:33:50 pm Randall R Schulz, vous avez écrit :

On Saturday 09 June 2007 09:11, Rick Friedman wrote:

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Randall R Schulz wrote:

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Munin can display SMART statistics.

http://munin.projects.linpro.no/ http://sourceforge.net/projects/munin/

Packman has Munin RPMs

Hmmm... I can't seem to find this in the Packman repository. Do you have a specific url?

Well, I'm using SuSE Linux 10.0 and the Packman repository lists version 1.2.4.

The first hit from Google for "Packman Munin" is http://packman.links2linux.org/package/munin, which seems perfectly on point.

For whatever reason, there are versions for (open)SUSE 9.2, 9.3, 10.0 and 10.1, but not 10.2. Are you using openSUSE 10.2?

Perhaps if you prod the packager, he'll add a 10.2 version.

There's a source package there, so you could always install that and build it yourself. I don't know how complex a package it is (something short of Gaim, I suppose (*)), or how vast its dependencies might be, but if you're adventurous or just good at this stuff, that might be the most expeditious route.

(*) "Building and Extending Gaim" http://www.amazon.com/dp/1590594673 (392 pages!)

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Rick -- Rick's Law: What cannot be imagined will be accomplished by a fool.

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You'll find it there: http://software.opensuse.org/download/home:/darix/openSUSE_10.2 -- André -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org