umlaut etc.

Frits J. Wüthrich

15 Jul 2002 15 Jul '02

21:53

Where can I find the special characters, like an umlaut on top of an u? In Windows there is a charactermap, is there something like that in SuSE8.0? I couldn't find it in the help file, nor in the RTFM. (In case you were wondering: I copied my signature from Windows). -- Frits J. Wüthrich (Sent with Kmail)

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Jerry Feldman

15 Jul 15 Jul

21:59

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Try the iso_8859_1 character set. Type man iso_8859_1. 374 252 FC ü LATIN SMALL LETTER U WITH DIAERESIS On 15 Jul 2002 at 22:53, Frits J. Wüthrich wrote:

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Where can I find the special characters, like an umlaut on top of an u? In Windows there is a charactermap, is there something like that in SuSE8.0? I couldn't find it in the help file, nor in the RTFM.

(In case you were wondering: I copied my signature from Windows). -- Frits J. Wüthrich (Sent with Kmail)

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Frits J. Wüthrich

22:11

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OK, thanks, that gives me an overview of them, which is very helpfull as the first step. I am a newbie, and now I wonder: how do I get such a character if I type a text, for instance using Star Office or Kmail? I notice there is no EURO symbol in that overview, is there something for that as well? On Monday 15 July 2002 22:59, Jerry Feldman wrote:

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Try the iso_8859_1 character set. Type man iso_8859_1. 374 252 FC ü LATIN SMALL LETTER U WITH DIAERESIS

On 15 Jul 2002 at 22:53, Frits J. Wüthrich wrote:

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Where can I find the special characters, like an umlaut on top of an u? In Windows there is a charactermap, is there something like that in SuSE8.0? I couldn't find it in the help file, nor in the RTFM.

(In case you were wondering: I copied my signature from Windows). -- Frits J. Wüthrich (Sent with Kmail)

-- Frits J. Wüthrich (Sent with Kmail)

Jerry Feldman

22:26

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There are several different versions. I don't know where the EURO is. If you set up the proper locale and use a German keyboard, then you should easily have it on your keyboard. On 15 Jul 2002 at 23:11, Frits J. Wüthrich wrote:

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OK, thanks, that gives me an overview of them, which is very helpfull as the first step. I am a newbie, and now I wonder: how do I get such a character if I type a text, for instance using Star Office or Kmail?

I notice there is no EURO symbol in that overview, is there something for that as well?

On Monday 15 July 2002 22:59, Jerry Feldman wrote:

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Try the iso_8859_1 character set. Type man iso_8859_1. 374 252 FC ü LATIN SMALL LETTER U WITH DIAERESIS

On 15 Jul 2002 at 22:53, Frits J. Wüthrich wrote:

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Where can I find the special characters, like an umlaut on top of an u? In Windows there is a charactermap, is there something like that in SuSE8.0? I couldn't find it in the help file, nor in the RTFM.

(In case you were wondering: I copied my signature from Windows). -- Frits J. Wüthrich (Sent with Kmail)

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gilson redrick

16 Jul 16 Jul

02:29

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I can't believe S-8.0 *with* KDE doesn't have what all S. versions before have, KCharSelect (in 7.3: K-Administration-Tools-KCharSelect). There, you get *all* the characters available for your Character Set (which you select in Control Center-Look & Feel-Fonts). For a permanent, and less laborious setup, in (again, 7.3, but 8.0 can't be *that* different) Control Center-Peripherals-Keyboard you may choose the keyboard appropriate to your language (or even two or more different keyboards that you select on the fly with Ctrl-Alt-+ [the + being the one on the number pad]). I, for one, use U.S. English w/ISO9995-3 which provides Æ æ ø þ ß ü Ü ï ñ ç etc, etc, etc... For the euro symbol, you have to chose character set ISO-8859-15. -- Regards, gr, in /usually/ sunny, balmy Florida's Suncoast.

Marcel Broekman

15 Jul 15 Jul

22:38

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Op maandag 15 juli 2002 23:53, schreef Frits J. Wüthrich:

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Where can I find the special characters, like an umlaut on top of an u? In Windows there is a charactermap, is there something like that in SuSE8.0?

Try KCharSelect. Can't remember if this is a seperate package you can install, but if you've installed it, it's in the Kmenu under Utilities. cheers, Marcel

Frits J. Wüthrich

16 Jul 16 Jul

19:45

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On Monday 15 July 2002 23:38, Marcel Broekman wrote:

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Op maandag 15 juli 2002 23:53, schreef Frits J. Wüthrich:

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Where can I find the special characters, like an umlaut on top of an u? In Windows there is a charactermap, is there something like that in SuSE8.0?

Try KCharSelect. Can't remember if this is a seperate package you can install, but if you've installed it, it's in the Kmenu under Utilities.

cheers, Marcel KCharSelect is not installed, nor is it available on my installation CD's of SuSE8.0 Personnal edition. -- Frits J. Wüthrich (Sent with Kmail)

Frits J. Wüthrich

19:49

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On Tuesday 16 July 2002 20:45, Frits J. Wüthrich wrote:

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On Monday 15 July 2002 23:38, Marcel Broekman wrote:

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Op maandag 15 juli 2002 23:53, schreef Frits J. Wüthrich:

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Where can I find the special characters, like an umlaut on top of an u? In Windows there is a charactermap, is there something like that in SuSE8.0?

Try KCharSelect. Can't remember if this is a seperate package you can install, but if you've installed it, it's in the Kmenu under Utilities.

cheers, Marcel

KCharSelect is not installed, nor is it available on my installation CD's of SuSE8.0 Personnal edition. OOOpps. I take that back, I just found it. That is really good. -- Frits J. Wüthrich (Sent with Kmail)

Doug McGarrett

15 Jul 15 Jul

23:37

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I would have attached a copy of a letter I got after asking the same question, but I suspect that the server strips attachments, other than the ones that start "[SLE..." which I hate. So I reproduce the message I received. Unfortunately, Linux is kinda cumbersome, compared to DOS/Windows in this area. But any way, here it is: Quote on/ On Saturday 24 November 2001 01:01, you wrote:

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OK, here I am in Linux, and sure enough, all the WordStar commands that work almost anywhere in DOS and Windows do _not_ work here, to provide the pronunciation marks required by European languages. But there must be a way for the English-speaking writer to indicate these marks without setting his keyboard to write in the foreign language. Since the DOS commands don't work, can someone tell me how to produce, with least effort, the following marks, which I can post up on my wall and use as needed:

Hi, I'm sending this off-list because I wrote about this at least three times in the past year. But I saw that no one else answered your question, so let me try once again. Special characters can be typed using the so-called Compose key. This may be the windows key next to the right Alt key (7.2 and 7.3) or the right Control key (before 7.2). Just try it out. To type an ø, for example, press the Compose key, then type o/ or /o (or you can even type o and / simultaneously). Do not keep the 'Compose key' pressed down when typing o/ or /o. ------------------------------------------------------------ If you cannot find the Compose key, or you would like to use another key for it, run the command xev If you press the key that you want to use as the Compose key, one of the many things you see is the 'key code'. Suppose, for example, that the key code is 109. Then in ~/.Xmodmap add the line keycode 109 = Multi_key After restarting X your new Compose key should work. ------------------------------------------------------------ The two characters needed for a special character can be found in the file /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/locale/iso8859-1/Compose (in SuSE 7.1 anyway. If you cannot find it, do a locate Compose (mind the capital C)). So for these special characters type the Compose key (or 'Multi-key') followed by these two characters:

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German: A-umlaut, upper and lower case

A" a" (remember, the order does not matter, so instead of a" you could type "a etc.).

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O-umlaut, ditto

O" o"

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U-umlaut, ditto

U" u"

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ess-tset

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Spanish: Upside-down question mark

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Upside-down exclamation point

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Forward accent a, e, i, o, u, upper and lower case

A' a' E' e' I' i' O' o' U' u'

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n with ~ upper and lower case

N~ n~

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Italian: a,e,i,o,u backward accent, upper and lower case

A` a` E` e` I` i` O` o` U` u`

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the Lira symbol (Maybe same as Pound?)

cannot find the Lira symbol. Perhaps another character set than ISO 8859-1? Don't know if it's the same as the Pound.

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British: The Pound symbol

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European: The Euro symbol (Yes my computer maybe can't, don't know)

Don't know enough about this one yet. It seems that you need ISO 8859-15 for this instead of ISO 8859-1. I've heard some rumours about the latest versions of KDE supporting it. I've got Wordperfect Office 2000 for Linux supporting it. StarOffice probably supports it.

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Miscellaneous: the plus/minus symbol

You guessed it: +-

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The greater than or equal symbol

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the less than or equal symbol

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the degree symbol (small circle above the line)

0^ (zero ^)

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the left and right quotation marks that some Europeans use, (under DOS, ALT 174 and ALT 175)

Haven't found this one. Perhaps supported by software such as StarOffice and WP? Regards, SH /Quote off/ So there you are. BTW, the latest StarOffice may solve that problem. I am going to install 6.0 fairly soon. SuSE has a deal on it--it's no longer free--but it's about $32US which is pretty cheap for a full-up office suite--damned near free! At 22:53 07/15/2002 +0100, Frits J. Wüthrich wrote:

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Where can I find the special characters, like an umlaut on top of an u? In Windows there is a charactermap, is there something like that in SuSE8.0? I couldn't find it in the help file, nor in the RTFM.

(In case you were wondering: I copied my signature from Windows). -- Frits J. Wüthrich (Sent with Kmail)

Christopher Mahmood

23:45

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* Doug McGarrett (dougmack@i-2000.com) [020715 16:37]:

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I would have attached a copy of a letter I got after asking the same question, but I suspect that the server strips attachments, other than the ones that start "[SLE..." which I hate.

Attachments are removed by their mimetype (e.g., text/html, application/msword, etc.), not that they have "subjects" anyway. What happened to the dougmack that used to flame people for posting text attachments? -- -ckm

Patrick

16 Jul 16 Jul

01:14

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On Monday 15 July 2002 17:53, Frits J. Wüthrich wrote:

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Where can I find the special characters, like an umlaut on top of an u? In Windows there is a charactermap, is there something like that in SuSE8.0? I couldn't find it in the help file, nor in the RTFM.

(In case you were wondering: I copied my signature from Windows). ==================== Frits, From my "newbie notes", I pulled this info. Go to /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/locale/iso8859-1/Compose to get a listing of all the special characters and what keystrokes are needed to get them for that character set. You can change the "iso" number to see any other set. Don't remember exactly where to look to find what your "compose" key is, someone here probably remembers better than I do. And you can of course define your own "compose" key.

Usually from the keyboard, you do your "compose" key or keys and then the needed keys to get your character. In SuSE 8.0, the default "compose" key combo is left-shift, left-Ctrl and then the right Windows key. I think that same combination is good in 7.3 also. Release those, then press the keyboard combo to get your character. Like this for a degrees sign, compose key, 0 then shift 6 and that will give you 98°, if you like. Or compose key, u key then double quotes, which gives you this ü or ë or ä, using e & a keys. ¿How is that? :o) Patrick -- ----------end of line........ --- KMail v1.4.2 --- SuSE Linux Pro v8.0 --- Registered Linux User #225206

zentara

13:16

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On Mon, 15 Jul 2002 21:14:36 -0400 Patrick wrote:

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Don't remember exactly where to look to find what your "compose" key is, someone here probably remembers better than I do. And you can of course define your own "compose" key.

Usually from the keyboard, you do your "compose" key or keys and then the needed keys to get your character. In SuSE 8.0, the default "compose" key combo is left-shift, left-Ctrl and then the right Windows key. I think that same combination is good in 7.3 also. Release those, then press the keyboard combo to get your character. Like this for a degrees sign, compose key, 0 then shift 6 and that will give you 98°, if you like. Or compose key, u key then double quotes, which gives you this ü or ë or ä, using e & a keys. ¿How is that? :o)

On my 7.2 system, the compose key is <right-shift><right-control>, then the key combination. ü â etc. -- use Perl; #powerful programmable prestidigitation

Tor Sigurdsson

16:39

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On Tue, 2002-07-16 at 13:16, zentara wrote:

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On Mon, 15 Jul 2002 21:14:36 -0400 Patrick wrote:

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Don't remember exactly where to look to find what your "compose" key is, someone here probably remembers better than I do. And you can of course define your own "compose" key.

Usually from the keyboard, you do your "compose" key or keys and then the needed keys to get your character. In SuSE 8.0, the default "compose" key combo is left-shift, left-Ctrl and then the right Windows key. I think that same combination is good in 7.3 also. Release those, then press the keyboard combo to get your character. Like this for a degrees sign, compose key, 0 then shift 6 and that will give you 98°, if you like. Or compose key, u key then double quotes, which gives you this ü or ë or ä, using e & a keys. ¿How is that? :o)

On my 7.2 system, the compose key is <right-shift><right-control>, then the key combination. ü â etc.

xmodmap -pm <--- prints the modifier-map Read /usr/X11R6/include/X11/keysymdef.h for information on the symbol names of characters. Creating an xmodmap is simple. $ cat >somefile >>EOF keycode 26 = e E EuroSign cent EOF $ xmodmap somefile And setting modifiers likewise... $ cat >somefile <

Doug McGarrett

17 Jul 17 Jul

02:02

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This looks promising. If you could be a little less terse, perhaps we could get somewhere. How would you, for instance, cause the keyboard combination ALT + (numkeys) 1 3 2 to produce a lower-case a with an umlaut on it? (ä) This is written from Windows, of course, where this works flawlessly, and has since at least DOS 3.1. It would be ideal if the commands in DOS and Linux were identical. Can you write a script to automagically do this? (There are a ton of other characters, including all the accented characters in most European languages, the plus-minus sign, the degree sign, some Greek characters used in engineering and math, and whatever.) --doug /snip/

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xmodmap -pm <--- prints the modifier-map

Read /usr/X11R6/include/X11/keysymdef.h for information on the symbol names of characters.

Creating an xmodmap is simple.

$ cat >somefile >>EOF keycode 26 = e E EuroSign cent EOF $ xmodmap somefile

And setting modifiers likewise...

$ cat >somefile <
After that last one, "a" and "l" should be shift instead of the shift buttons :o)

-tosi

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Tor Sigurdsson

12:50

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On Wed, 2002-07-17 at 02:02, Doug McGarrett wrote:

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This looks promising. If you could be a little less terse, perhaps we could get somewhere. How would you, for instance, cause the keyboard combination ALT + (numkeys) 1 3 2 to produce a lower-case a with an umlaut on it? (ä) This is written from

"1" has the keycode 10 ( you can find this out by running xev, and while the small window is focused, press "1" ) So, you create a file with the contents: keycode 10 = 1 exclam adiaeresis Adiaeresis That way, 1 provides: unshifted: 1 shifted: ! altgr+unshifted: ä altgr+shifted Ä I recommend adding the line Option "RightAlt" "ModeShift" to the keyboard section og the XF86Config file. -tosi

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Windows, of course, where this works flawlessly, and has since at least DOS 3.1. It would be ideal if the commands in DOS and Linux were identical. Can you write a script to automagically do this? (There are a ton of other characters, including all the accented characters in most European languages, the plus-minus sign, the degree sign, some Greek characters used in engineering and math, and whatever.) --doug

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xmodmap -pm <--- prints the modifier-map

Read /usr/X11R6/include/X11/keysymdef.h for information on the symbol names of characters.

Creating an xmodmap is simple.

$ cat >somefile >>EOF keycode 26 = e E EuroSign cent EOF $ xmodmap somefile

And setting modifiers likewise...

$ cat >somefile <
After that last one, "a" and "l" should be shift instead of the shift buttons :o)

-tosi

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Doug McGarrett

01:50

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That's ridiculous. And if you don't have a Windows keyboard--I don't-- I have about 3 old IBM kb's--then where are you? Anything that complicated must have a simpler solution. If I were a programmer, I would program the simpler solution to be the same as the WordStar keys under DOS. --doug At 09:16 07/16/2002 -0400, zentara wrote:

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On Mon, 15 Jul 2002 21:14:36 -0400 Patrick wrote:

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Don't remember exactly where to look to find what your "compose" key is, someone here probably remembers better than I do. And you can of course define your own "compose" key.

Usually from the keyboard, you do your "compose" key or keys and then the needed keys to get your character. In SuSE 8.0, the default "compose" key combo is left-shift, left-Ctrl and then the right Windows key. I think that same combination is good in 7.3 also. Release those, then press the keyboard combo to get your character. Like this for a degrees sign, compose key, 0 then shift 6 and that will give you 98°, if you like. Or compose key, u key then double quotes, which gives you this ü or ë or ä, using e & a keys. ¿How is that? :o)

On my 7.2 system, the compose key is <right-shift><right-control>, then the key combination. ü â etc.

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zentara

13:26

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On Tue, 16 Jul 2002 21:50:29 -0400 Doug McGarrett wrote:

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That's ridiculous. And if you don't have a Windows keyboard--I don't-- I have about 3 old IBM kb's--then where are you? Anything that complicated must have a simpler solution. If I were a programmer, I would program the simpler solution to be the same as the WordStar keys under DOS. --doug

At 09:16 07/16/2002 -0400, zentara wrote:

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On my 7.2 system, the compose key is <right-shift><right-control>, then the key combination. ü â etc.

What's ridiculous? I use one of those standard 9 dollar keyboards which are sold everywhere. It has a right-shift and a right-control. Dosn't your old keyboard have those keys? -- use Perl; #powerful programmable prestidigitation

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