[opensuse] LEAP 42.3, LEAP 15, or other?
Hi again, all -- It's been a while since I installed the OS on this laptop, and I'm not opposed to wiping it and doing it again. I went for a quick look and I see both LEAP 42.3 and LEAP 15. Huh? What's the difference? I'm busy enough and out of touch enough that something stable and simple is best for me these days. What version would you guys recommend for me if I'm just gonna back up my current root volume and start over? And, aside from getting a clean install of my networking "stuff" (and then having to add back in the extras, which notes I've kept over the years), if 42.3 is still the right answer will I actually end up with anything different since I've been installing updates fairly regularly? TIA again & HAND :-D -- David T-G See http://justpickone.org/davidtg/email/ See http://justpickone.org/davidtg/tofu.txt -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Le 18/02/2019 à 18:04, David T-G a écrit :
Hi again, all --
It's been a while since I installed the OS on this laptop, and I'm not opposed to wiping it and doing it again. I went for a quick look and I see both LEAP 42.3 and LEAP 15. Huh? What's the difference?
42.3 is EOL, take 15 jdd -- http://dodin.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
jdd@dodin.org wrote:
Le 18/02/2019 à 18:04, David T-G a écrit :
Hi again, all --
It's been a while since I installed the OS on this laptop, and I'm not opposed to wiping it and doing it again. I went for a quick look and I see both LEAP 42.3 and LEAP 15. Huh? What's the difference?
42.3 is EOL, take 15
<nitpick> uh, 42.3 is still maintained until June this year. </nitpick> -- Per Jessen, Zürich (7.2°C) http://www.dns24.ch/ - your free DNS host, made in Switzerland. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Le 18/02/2019 à 18:16, Per Jessen a écrit :
jdd@dodin.org wrote:
Le 18/02/2019 à 18:04, David T-G a écrit :
Hi again, all --
It's been a while since I installed the OS on this laptop, and I'm not opposed to wiping it and doing it again. I went for a quick look and I see both LEAP 42.3 and LEAP 15. Huh? What's the difference?
42.3 is EOL, take 15
<nitpick> uh, 42.3 is still maintained until June this year. </nitpick>
yes, but it's the end of life anyway, to make a clean install Leap15 is mature now jdd -- http://dodin.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
David T-G wrote:
Hi again, all --
It's been a while since I installed the OS on this laptop, and I'm not opposed to wiping it and doing it again. I went for a quick look and I see both LEAP 42.3 and LEAP 15. Huh? What's the difference?
One's newer than the other :-) Leap15 is the latest.
I'm busy enough and out of touch enough that something stable and simple is best for me these days. What version would you guys recommend for me if I'm just gonna back up my current root volume and start over?
Leap15.
And, aside from getting a clean install of my networking "stuff" (and then having to add back in the extras, which notes I've kept over the years), if 42.3 is still the right answer will I actually end up with anything different since I've been installing updates fairly regularly?
A clean install + updates will not give you anything new. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (7.2°C) http://www.dns24.ch/ - free dynamic DNS, made in Switzerland. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Per (& jdd), et al -- ...and then Per Jessen said... % % David T-G wrote: % ... % > I see both LEAP 42.3 and LEAP 15. Huh? What's the difference? % % One's newer than the other :-) Well, yeah... And so 42, which is a much higher number, should be the newest one, right? :-) But that's literally the reason for my confusion. I don't recall how the numbering works and if they're actually different branches or just a rebranding. % % Leap15 is the latest. Thanks (to both). That's where I'll look. % % > I'm busy enough and out of touch enough that something stable and ... % > start over? % % Leap15. % % > And, aside from getting a clean install of my networking "stuff" (and ... % > anything different since I've been installing updates fairly % > regularly? % % A clean install + updates will not give you anything new. Note that I didn't say anything new; I asked "anything different". It's good to know that my updated existing version should, at least in theory, match a fresh install plus any outstanding updates for it. In reality, of course, if I do go to that effort it'll be different because I'll use a 15 base. Thanks again & HAND :-D -- David T-G See http://justpickone.org/davidtg/email/ See http://justpickone.org/davidtg/tofu.txt -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
David T-G wrote:
Per (& jdd), et al --
...and then Per Jessen said... % % David T-G wrote: % ... % > I see both LEAP 42.3 and LEAP 15. Huh? What's the difference? % % One's newer than the other :-)
Well, yeah... And so 42, which is a much higher number, should be the newest one, right? :-)
I wanted to leave that exercise for the reader :- )
But that's literally the reason for my confusion. I don't recall how the numbering works and if they're actually different branches or just a rebranding.
Okay - at some point we moved from version 13.2 to 42.1, it was a significant change of policy/strategy so we gave it a new number, 42 being to answer to the universe etc. 42.3 was the last on that branch, we then changed our minds again, and slaved the openSUSE version number to that of SLES. (my summary, apologies if I've missed something critical).
% % Leap15 is the latest.
Thanks (to both). That's where I'll look.
Leap15 is very good. I have it running on our office desktops (though not all of them), a few real servers, 1 xen host, even more xen instances, and even two ARM boards. Apart from the ARM boards, no bleeding edge hardware. 42.3 is also very good, but there is no reason not to go with Leap15 for something new. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (5.9°C) http://www.hostsuisse.com/ - virtual servers, made in Switzerland. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Per, et al -- ...and then Per Jessen said... % % David T-G wrote: % % > Well, yeah... And so 42, which is a much higher number, should be the % > newest one, right? :-) % % I wanted to leave that exercise for the reader :- ) *grin* And I wanted to be lazy, so I asked! % % > But that's literally the reason for my confusion. I don't recall how % > the numbering works and if they're actually different branches or just % > a rebranding. % % Okay - at some point we moved from version 13.2 to 42.1, it was a % significant change of policy/strategy so we gave it a new number, 42 % being to answer to the universe etc. 42.3 was the last on that branch, TRUE! And I love that part :-) % we then changed our minds again, and slaved the openSUSE version number Ahhhhhhh... OK. % to that of SLES. (my summary, apologies if I've missed something % critical). [snip] I'm sure there's nothing that would make a difference to me at this point. Thanks for the outline, though. At this point, I'm thinkin' it's worth the reinstall just to not have to deal with this stupid networking crap plus to swing to something that will have a later EOL. Installation is always easy; for me, it's a coin toss as to whether wiping or fixing will actually take less time. HAND :-D -- David T-G See http://justpickone.org/davidtg/email/ See http://justpickone.org/davidtg/tofu.txt -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Per (& jdd), et al --
...and then Per Jessen said... % % David T-G wrote: % ... % > I see both LEAP 42.3 and LEAP 15. Huh? What's the difference? % % One's newer than the other :-)
Well, yeah... And so 42, which is a much higher number, should be the newest one, right? :-)
But that's literally the reason for my confusion. I don't recall how the numbering works and if they're actually different branches or just a rebranding.
% % Leap15 is the latest.
Thanks (to both). That's where I'll look.
% % > I'm busy enough and out of touch enough that something stable and ... % > start over? % % Leap15. % % > And, aside from getting a clean install of my networking "stuff" (and ... % > anything different since I've been installing updates fairly % > regularly? % % A clean install + updates will not give you anything new.
Note that I didn't say anything new; I asked "anything different". It's good to know that my updated existing version should, at least in theory, match a fresh install plus any outstanding updates for it. In reality, of course, if I do go to that effort it'll be different because I'll use a 15 base.
Thanks again & HAND
:-D Hi David. 42 is the number that solves all problems of the universe, so it was a nerdy and (for me) nice way of doing reference / homage to the "hitchhikers guide to
In data lunedì 18 febbraio 2019 19:09:16 CET, David T-G ha scritto: the galaxy". Unfortunately, the commercial version (with support etc) SLE(S) suse enterprise did wish to change its numeration and for a chain of necessities (there is a large synergie between the both) it was at the end (after three versions 42.1, 2,3 ) decided to shift to the numeration of SLE that is 15. So the most current version is Leap 15.The 15.1 alfa is the development version. I did not find reference about which version you did run before. Depending on this it will be possible to have substantial similarity or dissimilarity to your former situation. Especially KDE but also Gnome changed a lot over the time. What stays the same (and will give you a good home feeling) is yast. FF is still the default browser. Hope that helps you in some way. P.s. if your PC has a separate /home for your former install, it is possible to read in the former system without having to play back any backup. Even some settings (depending on your previous version) could be restored. You may encounter difficulties when it comes to kmail (if your version is antecedent to akonadi based Kmail). In this case, before doing a migration, you may have some reading about akonadi and choose whether you want to give it a try or you wish to look at other MUA (e.g. Thunderbird. Hope that helps. _________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________ Ihre E-Mail-Postfächer sicher & zentral an einem Ort. Jetzt wechseln und alte E-Mail-Adresse mitnehmen! https://www.eclipso.de -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
stakanov, et al -- ...and then stakanov said... % % Hi David. Hiya! % 42 is the number that solves all problems of the universe, so it was a nerdy % and (for me) nice way of doing reference / homage to the "hitchhikers guide to % the galaxy". *grin* ... % I did not find reference about which version you did run before. Depending on Sorry. I *thought* that I had said that I'm running 42.3 now, and I know that I did in another thread, but I could have missed it. That probably would have been helpful :-) % this it will be possible to have substantial similarity or dissimilarity to % your former situation. Especially KDE but also Gnome changed a lot over the % time. What stays the same (and will give you a good home feeling) is yast. FF % is still the default browser. % Hope that helps you in some way. It does; thanks. I'm actually a KDE/Plazma kind of guy, but perhaps Gnome is better after my having been away for ... "a long time". Wouldn't hurt to give it a try. % % P.s. if your PC has a separate /home for your former install, it is possible % to read in the former system without having to play back any backup. Even some % settings (depending on your previous version) could be restored. Interesting... It does, thanks to a symlink: davidtg@wench:~> dfx Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on /dev/sda2 32G 30G 442M 99% / /dev/sda3 819G 729G 90G 90% /mnt/data /dev/sda4 64G 60G 4.5G 94% /mnt/windows davidtg@wench:~> ls -goh /home lrwxrwxrwx 1 13 Dec 15 2017 /home -> mnt/data/home I actually have /usr/local separate, too, and use rsync to keep a copy of the /etc tree against any changes: davidtg@wench:~> ls -goh /mnt/data/OS/ total 49K drwxr-xr-x 2 33K Feb 18 06:06 00-rsync-logs -rwxr-xr-x 1 171 May 3 2018 00-rsync.sh drwxrwxr-x 3 256 Feb 9 07:07 00-src -rw-r--r-- 1 1.5K Feb 9 21:14 OS-notes.txt drwxr-xr-x 134 8.3K Feb 13 20:31 etc drwxrwxr-x 12 296 Jan 22 2018 local davidtg@wench:~> ls -goh /usr/local lrwxrwxrwx 1 18 Jan 8 2018 /usr/local -> /mnt/data/OS/local I'm certainly interested in the easy way to reinstall and get back to full functionality! % You may encounter difficulties when it comes to kmail (if your version is ... % a try or you wish to look at other MUA (e.g. Thunderbird. Thanks, but I currently do no email here anyway. One of these days I might bother to fire up a lightweight MTA to hand off to justpickone and then run mutt (*the* MUA of choice :-) here, but I don't ever have much need to do offline email and so I just ssh to my server. % Hope that helps. Yes, as always! Thanks again to all & HAND :-D -- David T-G See http://justpickone.org/davidtg/email/ See http://justpickone.org/davidtg/tofu.txt -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 18/02/2019 19.43, David T-G wrote:
stakanov, et al --
...and then stakanov said...
% this it will be possible to have substantial similarity or dissimilarity to % your former situation. Especially KDE but also Gnome changed a lot over the % time. What stays the same (and will give you a good home feeling) is yast. FF % is still the default browser. % Hope that helps you in some way.
It does; thanks. I'm actually a KDE/Plazma kind of guy, but perhaps Gnome is better after my having been away for ... "a long time". Wouldn't hurt to give it a try.
Note: Gnome comes from SLE, but KDE does not. Thus the Gnome version is oldish, while KDE is recent-ish.
I'm certainly interested in the easy way to reinstall and get back to full functionality!
Upgrade. For my definition of "easy". -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.0 x86_64 at Telcontar)
On 02/18/2019 01:09 PM, David T-G wrote:
% > I see both LEAP 42.3 and LEAP 15. Huh? What's the difference? % % One's newer than the other :-)
Well, yeah... And so 42, which is a much higher number, should be the newest one, right? :-)
Well, that's quite a Leap! ;-) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 18/02/2019 19.09, David T-G wrote:
Per (& jdd), et al --
...and then Per Jessen said... % % David T-G wrote: % ... % > I see both LEAP 42.3 and LEAP 15. Huh? What's the difference? % % One's newer than the other :-)
Well, yeah... And so 42, which is a much higher number, should be the newest one, right? :-)
But that's literally the reason for my confusion. I don't recall how the numbering works and if they're actually different branches or just a rebranding.
Didn't you know that 42 is the answer to everything? >:-P 15 is the next version after 42. The same thing, just different major version. Yes, confusing numbering, I know. Leap 15.0 is based on SLE 15, while 42.X was based on SLE 12. There are no SLE 13 nor 14 (source: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SUSE_Linux#SUSE_Linux_Enterprise>)
% % Leap15 is the latest.
Thanks (to both). That's where I'll look.
You get a newer kernel and some other major packages that come from SLE. Then again, you can just upgrade your machine instead of installing new. Just try, if you don't like the result, install new. <https://en.opensuse.org/SDB:System_upgrade> -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.0 x86_64 at Telcontar)
Le 18/02/2019 à 20:02, Carlos E. R. a écrit :
You get a newer kernel and some other major packages that come from SLE.
main may be the firewall, Susefirewall2 is deprecated (but still exists) jdd -- http://dodin.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 02/18/2019 11:04 AM, David T-G wrote:
Hi again, all --
It's been a while since I installed the OS on this laptop, and I'm not opposed to wiping it and doing it again. I went for a quick look and I see both LEAP 42.3 and LEAP 15. Huh? What's the difference?
The deep thinking devs will have to explain the jump from openSuSE 13.3 to Leap 42.x back to Leap 15.0, but suffice it to say 42.3 is close to end-of-life, so throw a clean 15.0 install on your laptop (or I see 15.1 repos being populated as well) I have had no issues with 42.3 or 15.0. Both have been very good releases. I have only had one bad release since 7.0 (and it involved an alpha version of KDE4 masquerading as a "Release" (4.0.4a if I recall correctly) back in May 2008 that has never been fully explained from a technical competency standpoint...) -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Am Montag, 18. Februar 2019, 22:42:12 CET schrieb David C. Rankin:
The deep thinking devs will have to explain the jump from openSuSE 13.3 to Leap 42.x back to Leap 15.0
it has already been discussed AD NAUSEAM. please, NOT again. -- Mathias Homann Senior Systems Engineer, IT Consultant. IT Trainer Mathias.Homann@openSUSE.org http://www.tuxonline.tech gpg key fingerprint: 8029 2240 F4DD 7776 E7D2 C042 6B8E 029E 13F2 C102
Op maandag 18 februari 2019 23:05:23 CET schreef Mathias Homann:
Am Montag, 18. Februar 2019, 22:42:12 CET schrieb David C. Rankin:
The deep thinking devs will have to explain the jump from openSuSE 13.3 to Leap 42.x back to Leap 15.0
it has already been discussed AD NAUSEAM.
No better description.
please, NOT again.
Huge +1 from me. -- Gertjan Lettink a.k.a. Knurpht openSUSE Board Member openSUSE Forums Team -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 18/02/2019 23.36, Knurpht-openSUSE wrote:
Op maandag 18 februari 2019 23:05:23 CET schreef Mathias Homann:
Am Montag, 18. Februar 2019, 22:42:12 CET schrieb David C. Rankin:
The deep thinking devs will have to explain the jump from openSuSE 13.3 to Leap 42.x back to Leap 15.0
it has already been discussed AD NAUSEAM.
No better description.
please, NOT again.
Huge +1 from me.
Don't bite ;-p -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.0 x86_64 at Telcontar)
David T-G composed on 2019-02-18 12:04 (UTC-0500):
It's been a while since I installed the OS on this laptop, and I'm not opposed to wiping it and doing it again. I went for a quick look and I see both LEAP 42.3 and LEAP 15. Huh? What's the difference?
Does your laptop have Optimus or other dual GPU video? If it does, it's probably the best reason for sticking with 42.3. If you search yours' model number and don't find a near or perfect match, it might be no problem, but IMO too many with it suffer both trying to install, and post-install, if successful. Upgrade might be a better idea if you want to move beyond 42.3 before 15.1 releases, which is scheduled for the same time frame as 42.3 support expiration, 3-4 months from now. -- Evolution as taught in public schools is religion, not science. Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Felix, et al -- ...and then Felix Miata said... % % David T-G composed on 2019-02-18 12:04 (UTC-0500): % ... % > see both LEAP 42.3 and LEAP 15. Huh? What's the difference? % % Does your laptop have Optimus or other dual GPU video? If it does, it's probably the best reason % for sticking with 42.3. If you search yours' model number and don't find a near or perfect match, Oho... I bet it does, actually; it's a Dell E6540, so it should have both an on-board Intel GPU plus an added AMD GPU. I poked around in Kinfocenter a bit and didn't see graphics cards info, so I should dig more. % it might be no problem, but IMO too many with it suffer both trying to install, and post-install, Ew :-( Thanks. % if successful. Upgrade might be a better idea if you want to move beyond 42.3 before 15.1 releases, % which is scheduled for the same time frame as 42.3 support expiration, 3-4 months from now. Good to know. At the very least I can restore the backup image I'll make of my sda1 slice. The reason for reinstalling is to get past this stupid network crap goign on in my other thread, though. I want it just done with as little time & effort as possible. More thinking to come, but not tonight :-) Thanks again & HAND :-D -- David T-G See http://justpickone.org/davidtg/email/ See http://justpickone.org/davidtg/tofu.txt -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 19/02/2019 05.29, David T-G wrote:
Felix, et al --
...and then Felix Miata said... % % David T-G composed on 2019-02-18 12:04 (UTC-0500): % ... % > see both LEAP 42.3 and LEAP 15. Huh? What's the difference? % % Does your laptop have Optimus or other dual GPU video? If it does, it's probably the best reason % for sticking with 42.3. If you search yours' model number and don't find a near or perfect match,
Oho... I bet it does, actually; it's a Dell E6540, so it should have both an on-board Intel GPU plus an added AMD GPU. I poked around in Kinfocenter a bit and didn't see graphics cards info, so I should dig more.
Software such as hwinfo or inxi will tell you: hwinfo --gfxcard
Good to know. At the very least I can restore the backup image I'll make of my sda1 slice. The reason for reinstalling is to get past this stupid network crap goign on in my other thread, though.
I commented something there. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.0 x86_64 at Telcontar)
David T-G composed on 2019-02-18 23:29 (UTC-0500):
Felix composed
Does your laptop have Optimus or other dual GPU video? If it does, it's probably the best reason for sticking with 42.3. If you search yours' model number and don't find a near or perfect match,
Oho... I bet it does, actually; it's a Dell E6540,...
Are you sure that's the /complete/ model number? What do you find if you look it up by the Dell Service Tag number? IME, Dell "model numbers" provided in response to help forum queries are model /lines/ that can be comprised of more than a dozen basic hardware options, and typically don't tell enough about what hardware is actually inside. I've seen the same Dell "model" available with either AMD or Intel CPU. Common are multiple choices among motherboard video and PCIe slot video. It would be a surprise to me if HP does not do the same thing with its "model numbers". Better to check for a match based on inxi -Gxx (not usually installed by default, but capable of reporting all video drivers in use) or hwinfo --gfxcard (reports only KMS drivers). In 15.0, inxi was numerically ancient when released, 2.3.40. Upstream upgrades often. TW's package, currently 3.0.32, matching current upstream ATM, can be installed instead of the 15.0 package, but IMO easier is to override the openSUSE default configuration setting that prohibits direct upgrades with inxi's -U option, then use it if and when you have need of all info it can provide. It's just a script, and provides maximum possible output when run from within X. -- Evolution as taught in public schools is religion, not science. Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
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