Howzit Folks? As a relative newbie I'd like to know what the best practice/process is for managing the installation of software from source. I often find that there is software available which is not supported by SUSE which is useful to me and hence my enquiry. The key aspects I'm interested in are: 1. Cataloguing this software 2. How do I trial software? 3. How do I update software? 4. How do I uninstall software? Is there software available which will do this or assist in doing it? I'm currently looking at the stow package to see if that will do the trick but it looks like a very manual process. One of the solutions I was considering is building my own RPMs from the source, that way I can manage everything via Yast which has all the tools that I mentioned above and more. What is the learning curve like to learn to build RPMs? I'd appreciate it if you have the time to share your experience. Cheers Bruce
Is there software available which will do this or assist in doing it? I'm currently looking at the stow package to see if that will do the trick but it looks like a very manual process. One of the solutions I was considering is building my own RPMs from the source, that way I can manage everything via Yast which has all the tools that I mentioned above and more. What is the learning curve like to learn to build RPMs?
I would stay with rpm. You can use checkinstall when you can not find the rpm you want and you only have the source. Gaël
Howzit Gaël? You're a genius, that's exactly what I'm looking for. Many thanks. Cheers Bruce On Friday 14 October 2005 09:21, Gaël Lams wrote: I would stay with rpm. You can use checkinstall when you can not find the rpm you want and you only have the source. Gaël
DBA wrote:
Howzit Folks?
As a relative newbie I'd like to know what the best practice/process is for managing the installation of software from source. I often find that there is software available which is not supported by SUSE which is useful to me and hence my enquiry.
The key aspects I'm interested in are:
1. Cataloguing this software 2. How do I trial software? 3. How do I update software? 4. How do I uninstall software?
Is there software available which will do this or assist in doing it? I'm currently looking at the stow package to see if that will do the trick but it looks like a very manual process. One of the solutions I was considering is building my own RPMs from the source, that way I can manage everything via Yast which has all the tools that I mentioned above and more. What is the learning curve like to learn to build RPMs?
I'd appreciate it if you have the time to share your experience.
Cheers Bruce
Most of the time I use checkinstall as at times the RPM's are either not
available or are not the latest available versions. This does not sit
well with people who abhor using leading edge, but at times the
available RPM's lack some funtionality needed. A case in point -- I've
had problems with traceroute sessions kicked off by skype that were
consuming 99% CPU and the problem was due to the way down-level
traceroute SuSE offers in 9.3 (in 10.0 also I've learned), not only does
it consume almost all CPU at the expense of everything else running, it
does not work and never ends. Today I've downloaded and installed the
latest available traceroute source which works fine, so my next task is
to see if I can integrate it into the SuSE net-tools source rpm.
With checkinstall, the generated RPM allows you to upgrade "rpm -Uvh
On Friday 14 October 2005 10:42 am, Sid Boyce wrote:
Most of the time I use checkinstall as at times the RPM's are either not available or are not the latest available versions. This does not sit well with people who abhor using leading edge, but at times the available RPM's lack some funtionality needed. A case in point -- I've had problems with traceroute sessions kicked off by skype that were consuming 99% CPU and the problem was due to the way down-level traceroute SuSE offers in 9.3 (in 10.0 also I've learned), not only does it consume almost all CPU at the expense of everything else running, it does not work and never ends. Today I've downloaded and installed the latest available traceroute source which works fine, so my next task is to see if I can integrate it into the SuSE net-tools source rpm. With checkinstall, the generated RPM allows you to upgrade "rpm -Uvh
.rpm" and keep your RPM database honest, you can also downgrade back to what you had originally using "rpm -Uvh --oldpackage .rpm". "man rpm" for all the wonderful things you can do. Regards Sid.
Sid, Did you also do a bug report for SUSE 10.x with Novell/SUSE? "Please" if you haven't and "Thanks" if you did. Stan
Stan, On Friday 14 October 2005 09:26, Stan Glasoe wrote:
...
Did you also do a bug report for SUSE 10.x with Novell/SUSE? "Please" if you haven't and "Thanks" if you did.
I'm trying to report a kernel / file-system (Reiser) bug, but the ongoing brokenness of bugzilla.novel.com does not allow it. To wit: -==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==- Software error: Undefined subroutine &main::ValidateNewUser called at Bugzilla/Auth/Verify/iChain.pm line 204. For help, please send mail to the webmaster (webmaster@novell.com), giving this error message and the time and date of the error. -==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==-
Stan
Randall Schulz
On Friday 14 October 2005 11:30 am, Randall R Schulz wrote:
Stan,
On Friday 14 October 2005 09:26, Stan Glasoe wrote:
...
Did you also do a bug report for SUSE 10.x with Novell/SUSE? "Please" if you haven't and "Thanks" if you did.
I'm trying to report a kernel / file-system (Reiser) bug, but the ongoing brokenness of bugzilla.novel.com does not allow it.
To wit:
-==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==- Software error:
Undefined subroutine &main::ValidateNewUser called at Bugzilla/Auth/Verify/iChain.pm line 204.
For help, please send mail to the webmaster (webmaster@novell.com), giving this error message and the time and date of the error. -==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==-
Stan
Randall Schulz
Thanks Randall. Didn't know Novell/SUSE's bugzilla is buggy! I hope our Novell/SUSE lurkers here can help do something about this - "Thanks In Advance" of course. Stan
Stan Glasoe wrote:
On Friday 14 October 2005 10:42 am, Sid Boyce wrote:
Most of the time I use checkinstall as at times the RPM's are either not available or are not the latest available versions. This does not sit well with people who abhor using leading edge, but at times the available RPM's lack some funtionality needed. A case in point -- I've had problems with traceroute sessions kicked off by skype that were consuming 99% CPU and the problem was due to the way down-level traceroute SuSE offers in 9.3 (in 10.0 also I've learned), not only does it consume almost all CPU at the expense of everything else running, it does not work and never ends. Today I've downloaded and installed the latest available traceroute source which works fine, so my next task is to see if I can integrate it into the SuSE net-tools source rpm. With checkinstall, the generated RPM allows you to upgrade "rpm -Uvh
.rpm" and keep your RPM database honest, you can also downgrade back to what you had originally using "rpm -Uvh --oldpackage .rpm". "man rpm" for all the wonderful things you can do. Regards Sid. Sid,
Did you also do a bug report for SUSE 10.x with Novell/SUSE? "Please" if you haven't and "Thanks" if you did.
Stan
I have 9.3, waiting for 10.0 to be delivered, but I've been told that the same version is in 10.0. Perhaps someone else with 10.0 can "traceroute tsx-11.mit.edu" or some other site and report back. I tried bugzilla but get an error ... Undefined subroutine &main::ValidateNewUser called at Bugzilla/Auth/Verify/iChain.pm line 204. Regards Sid. -- Sid Boyce ... Hamradio License G3VBV, licensed Private Pilot Retired IBM/Amdahl Mainframes and Sun/Fujitsu Servers Tech Support Specialist Microsoft Windows Free Zone - Linux used for all Computing Tasks
On Friday 14 October 2005 16:20, Sid Boyce wrote:
I have 9.3, waiting for 10.0 to be delivered, but I've been told that the same version is in 10.0. Perhaps someone else with 10.0 can "traceroute tsx-11.mit.edu" or some other site and report back. I tried bugzilla but get an error ... Undefined subroutine &main::ValidateNewUser called at Bugzilla/Auth/Verify/iChain.pm line 204.
I got curious and tried it when I first saw this thread. I ran top at the same time and saw no unusual CPU consumption. I think Verizon is blocking it though: linux:/home/carlh # traceroute tsx-11.mit.edu traceroute to tsx-11.mit.edu (18.7.14.121), 30 hops max, 40 byte packets 1 192.168.1.1 0.397 ms 0.394 ms 0.812 ms 2 * * * 3 * * * 4 * * * 5 * * * 6 * * * 7 * * * 8 * * * 9 * * * 10 * * * 11 * * * 12 * * * 13 * * * 14 * * * 15 * * * 16 * * * 17 * * * 18 * * * 19 * * * 20 * * * 21 * * * 22 * * * 23 * * * 24 * * * 25 * * * 26 * * * 27 * * * 28 * * * 29 * * * 30 * * * linux:/home/carlh # I get the same output using any target IP. regards, - Carl
Carl Hartung wrote:
On Friday 14 October 2005 16:20, Sid Boyce wrote:
I have 9.3, waiting for 10.0 to be delivered, but I've been told that the same version is in 10.0. Perhaps someone else with 10.0 can "traceroute tsx-11.mit.edu" or some other site and report back. I tried bugzilla but get an error ... Undefined subroutine &main::ValidateNewUser called at Bugzilla/Auth/Verify/iChain.pm line 204.
I got curious and tried it when I first saw this thread. I ran top at the same time and saw no unusual CPU consumption. I think Verizon is blocking it though:
linux:/home/carlh # traceroute tsx-11.mit.edu traceroute to tsx-11.mit.edu (18.7.14.121), 30 hops max, 40 byte packets 1 192.168.1.1 0.397 ms 0.394 ms 0.812 ms 2 * * * 3 * * * 4 * * * 5 * * * 6 * * * 7 * * * 8 * * * 9 * * * 10 * * * 11 * * * 12 * * * 13 * * * 14 * * * 15 * * * 16 * * * 17 * * * 18 * * * 19 * * * 20 * * * 21 * * * 22 * * * 23 * * * 24 * * * 25 * * * 26 * * * 27 * * * 28 * * * 29 * * * 30 * * * linux:/home/carlh #
I get the same output using any target IP.
regards,
- Carl
Any target IP would be yield the same if Verizon is blocking it. The latest version works for me. I'm still puzzled why the behaviour on your system is different, while I experienced the same on both 9.3 x86 and x86_64 boxes, the x86 was a fresh install and the x86_64 was an upgrade from 9.2. Regards Sid. -- Sid Boyce ... Hamradio License G3VBV, licensed Private Pilot Retired IBM/Amdahl Mainframes and Sun/Fujitsu Servers Tech Support Specialist Microsoft Windows Free Zone - Linux used for all Computing Tasks
On Friday 14 October 2005 19:00, Sid Boyce wrote:
Any target IP would be yield the same if Verizon is blocking it. The latest version works for me. I'm still puzzled why the behaviour on your system is different, while I experienced the same on both 9.3 x86 and x86_64 boxes, the x86 was a fresh install and the x86_64 was an upgrade from 9.2.
I forgot to mention I'm on a 32 bit system, and I apologize if I missed that part of the thread :-) - Carl
On Friday 14 October 2005 06:17 pm, Carl Hartung wrote:
On Friday 14 October 2005 19:00, Sid Boyce wrote:
Any target IP would be yield the same if Verizon is blocking it. The latest version works for me. I'm still puzzled why the behaviour on your system is different, while I experienced the same on both 9.3 x86 and x86_64 boxes, the x86 was a fresh install and the x86_64 was an upgrade from 9.2.
I forgot to mention I'm on a 32 bit system, and I apologize if I missed that part of the thread :-)
- Carl
That is what the problem is then you have the 64 bit system you need the 32 bit system this has the -i386 in the label. SO you need to re down load the other ISO file. Hope this helps. -- Tom McCutcheon tom@netins.net
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